Combat in this game is very exciting. You can for one thing actually strafe arrows and spells. That to me is much more interesting than clicking a mob and watching a bunch of text roll down the screen with the occasional ability click like WOW. Large scale battles are just that. hundreds of spells wizzing around, arrows flying, and screams of "help me" when players fall. Hiding behind rocks and trees and thing like croutching, and run speed matter. In addition, as your playing through combat , different skills increase passively depending on the style of gameplay you are applying.
If what you want is flashy animations, good graphics, depths of gameplay, and strategic meaningful combat, then Darkfall is not for you.
DF combat has as much depth as Diablo...
diablo was a massively popular game.
THe Backstreet Boys was a massively popular band, doesnt mean they had much depth to their music. Popular does not always mean good or full of depth.
tell that to the people cashing the cheques and the millions that paid them.
Again, popular doesnt mean quality. As a society, we are willing to pay for the latest fad, it is the nature of the beast. The guy who invented the pet rock was cashing all those checks from idiots in the 70s. Doesnt mean it was a good product, just means as a whole, we are stupid and will buy just about anything.
Darkfall combat is a breath of fresh air in the stale combat that is common in most of todays mmorpgs.
and anyone who say's the combat is basic i say this: Arkums razor.
First of all, what is Arkum's razor? You mean Occam's Razor? That principle can't even apply in your comment.
Secondly, combat has NO DEPTH. That's the problem I had with it in beta, and it's not going to get fixed with a few patches -- it has to be significantly reworked. In UO there were combos in your attacks, counters to combos (ie, combo breaker!), the ability to reserve mana and use lightweight spells for small attacks and then barrage, or barrage early and hope you get a knockout -- the possibilities were HIGH and it took a lot of fast thinking ingame to figure out what needed to happen based on what your opponent was doing.
In DF, the combat goes like this: Hit the other guy with your LMB. He hits you back. Run around chasing each other. Shoot some arrows and magic in the middle maybe, for a little more damage or ranged shots. Then when one guy gets low stamina, run away and drink a stamina potion.
Yes, group fighting will be more strategic but it's because you need coordination and communication on the battlefield. A smaller group can take out a larger one if they are organized. But the idea for me that killed the game, is that one person CAN'T STAND OUT. There won't be one player who comes in, beats up out of 5 guys and everybody is like OMG YOU RULE. In UO, you had that, and it was a really nice thing to show that your personal skills are what differentiated you from another player. Additionally, it helped me sell a very mediocre account for $1200 with a tiny little house, just because I had made a good name for myself in PvP. People wanted my "NAME" in the game, and paid for it. In DF you won't ever see anything like that, and obviously while it's irrelevant that you 'make a name' for yourself or not, you don't even have the ability to do it in the game because of its bland combat tactics. But I guarantee, some guilds will make a name for themselves. And that's great -- it's just not my cup of tea.
Darkfall combat is a breath of fresh air in the stale combat that is common in most of todays mmorpgs.
and anyone who say's the combat is basic i say this: Arkums razor.
First of all, what is Arkum's razor? You mean Occam's Razor? That principle can't even apply in your comment.
Secondly, combat has NO DEPTH. That's the problem I had with it in beta, and it's not going to get fixed with a few patches -- it has to be significantly reworked. In UO there were combos in your attacks, counters to combos (ie, combo breaker!), the ability to reserve mana and use lightweight spells for small attacks and then barrage, or barrage early and hope you get a knockout -- the possibilities were HIGH and it took a lot of fast thinking ingame to figure out what needed to happen based on what your opponent was doing.
In DF, the combat goes like this: Hit the other guy with your LMB. He hits you back. Run around chasing each other. Shoot some arrows and magic in the middle maybe, for a little more damage or ranged shots. Then when one guy gets low stamina, run away and drink a stamina potion.
Yes, group fighting will be more strategic but it's because you need coordination and communication on the battlefield. A smaller group can take out a larger one if they are organized. But the idea for me that killed the game, is that one person CAN'T STAND OUT. There won't be one player who comes in, beats up out of 5 guys and everybody is like OMG YOU RULE. In UO, you had that, and it was a really nice thing to show that your personal skills are what differentiated you from another player. Additionally, it helped me sell a very mediocre account for $1200 with a tiny little house, just because I had made a good name for myself in PvP. People wanted my "NAME" in the game, and paid for it. In DF you won't ever see anything like that, and obviously while it's irrelevant that you 'make a name' for yourself or not, you don't even have the ability to do it in the game because of its bland combat tactics. But I guarantee, some guilds will make a name for themselves. And that's great -- it's just not my cup of tea.
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?? you know in nearly every mmo, the only type of combat that takes any kind of skill and is balanced in anyway is group combat. Though to aramnu, what df did has been done before, a long time ago (planetside, world war ii online, look them up), AV just made it less interesting.
Though melee DOES take skill in DF, not even close to as much skill it takes to do magic and archery, but there is skill in there, but yeah, melee needs an overhaul
Combat looks boring mainly because it is very simplistic, this is apparent from any video and stream.
Two modes of attack slash and swing. Swing may hit your friends but has a wider arc. Slash is lower arc and more likely to not hit your friends. I could not see damage from behind being a massive problem as 90% of the time the game is so fast the oponent can get behind in one small swoop. The other 10% is people swiping at people from behind. Its not very realistic or hardcore. I see minimal blocking. Speed is more like something akin to Unreal Tournement than Mount and Blade.
If you've been leaving in a bucket ouside of Milton Keynes (UK) with only a blind transexual hobbit feeding your occasionally and wiping your ass or your a PVP FFA fanatic (or both).... you may find it exciting. If however you have played any MMO you will quickly see a lack of attack options (DOT, BUFFS, DEBUFFS AOE etc). Alternatively, if you have played any FPS especially Mount and Blade or even older games like Jedi Academy, then the attack options for realtime combat will seem very, very basic.
The world is big however (many trees) and if you like mindless PvP FFA combat with no real strucuture I can see how the game appeals. As for AV claims... no it is nothing like anticapted as a "living breathing world". Awful in fact in light of the hype.
Have you played the game Tombear81, Or are you somehow making your conclusions based on some Utube videos. Yes combat looks simplistic as it was designed to be. congratulations on your eppifany. There is also archery which is pretty deep, full blown mounted combat, ship to ship combat, naval bombardments, and magic which which goes deeper than any game i've seen since asheron's call . The pvp is not mindles (it can be if you want to be a rogue outcast) but if you actually played the game and were in a guild trying to build a city, you would realize its more political than a game of diplomacy. I assure you there is ALOT more in the overworld than trees.. lol. My advice? Go back to your theme park games click auto attack, and spank it over your purple gear.
And you would end up with 50 person per ZONE restriction. In Darkfall there is no zones, if you are in Silverspear there is only one Silverspear on the server.
Let's be honest, the entire idea of auto-attack is not really that exciting either. You are trading auto attack for ability to manually dodge, block, and parry attacks. There is an arguement to be made against both systems.
Let's be honest, the entire idea of auto-attack is not really that exciting either. You are trading auto attack for ability to manually dodge, block, and parry attacks. There is an arguement to be made against both systems.
Hardly. I have played games with both auto-attacks and manual evading..
Let's be honest, the entire idea of auto-attack is not really that exciting either. You are trading auto attack for ability to manually dodge, block, and parry attacks. There is an arguement to be made against both systems.
Hardly. I have played games with both auto-attacks and manual evading..
w00t i'd second for this, would make for easier kills
Ok can we please watch some of the words we use? Do a few lines of TEXT really get to you that fast you have to F* this or that lol. Its TEXT.. wow
As for combat pffft Darkfall ..its nothing new.. its nothing new and its 2009. If your going to try and make exquses for the game, graphics, animation there are 2d games that offer better combat for you yet you wont go near that lol.. ooh but wait.. graphics and animation dont make the game.. yes it does you just put up with the way it is..
Want a nice read? Go read the forums on Darkfall then come back and read here from the ones that .. well like this thread here.. that say there FANS. Its like night and day. These here so called fans that SAY they play the game post nice things about Darkfall. Yet .. why here and not there? Any mmo I play if I post I post on their forums .. If you like the game SOOOOOO much then SHOW THEM! Support them. Over there .. it dont read ..oh happy day.. lol
Have you played the game Tombear81, Or are you somehow making your conclusions based on some Utube videos. Yes combat looks simplistic as it was designed to be. congratulations on your eppifany. There is also archery which is pretty deep, full blown mounted combat, ship to ship combat, naval bombardments, and magic which which goes deeper than any game i've seen since asheron's call . The pvp is not mindles (it can be if you want to be a rogue outcast) but if you actually played the game and were in a guild trying to build a city, you would realize its more political than a game of diplomacy. I assure you there is ALOT more in the overworld than trees.. lol. My advice? Go back to your theme park games click auto attack, and spank it over your purple gear.
Obvious video is obvious. You do not need to play the game. All battles have the same classic signitures. Its painful to think the reality after Tasos descriptions. Expectation management is not his strong point.
The combat was not supposed to be simple. It was described as innovative, realtime combat like mount and blade. This devolved into press left mouse button and run around. Rev - - fucking- lutionary. Only if you go back in time and stop just about any FPS game ever being made. Sorry its fail. Its not from what I understand not even unique to MMOs. There is another.. apparently.
Archery is not looking fluid and is more the default thing to do when there out of range. Or spam using the magical vibrating dildo. Oh yes...
Magic look fucking awful. Pissing little red crosses to ressurect someone ( very Wow by they way). The lists I have seen a major copy and paste clone job. They have been better off not implementing magic at all and working on COMBAT!
Mount combat is a big a joke as foot combat. How many attacks there I wonder ? One or two ? The animations look liek the rider is humping the damn thing as well.
The last ship video I saw has people sitting down and flying off into the distance as the boat was not in sync with the players. Oh wonderful. And since boats are made for putting things in.. oh yes... there zero point to trading via the sea. Put yer items in your tumble drier bank. Actually argons shape itself proabably doesn't make to great for sea trading. Lots of thought there AV huh ?
The world is empty and devoid of dynamism. Please tell me whete Lord Tasos flocking AI behavior and population growth / horde of AI attacking a town is. This was all bullshit. The trees are copy and pastes too. Its like the speedtree technology was never invented. Oh wait... AV could never afford to use 3rd party technology.
Politics of the e peen. ow wonderful. We have that on Battlefield with our stat wanking and smack talk. Again DF has little beyond this.
Your last line is a laugh. Given I also play FPS games I am much more likely to slink of the a proper FPS game than some pomped up sanbox wannabe with little depth. A least the FPS game has refined targetting. Or for an sandbox MMO I'd be better of with Eve. Which btw has a very refined economy and logistics which is not putting things into little boxes.
I have played Wow and dont have any purple gear. IN fact I dont have a charector above level 50... you fail on that. I'm afriad your polarisation of the world into Wow / not WoW is rather simplistic.
Welcome to the new world of MMOs people.. lots of promise and little delivery from big or small indie companies. The biggest selling point is the PvP FFA fans desperation and lack of PC gaming knowledge.
Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city. Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here. honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t. ROFL
Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city. Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here. honestly i didn't even read that wall of bs. ROFL
you should stop talking and play your game cause you sound like someone who just got OWNED bad.
Go go, come on play it wait are the server down? Anyways... he makes valid points and it was a very nice post while the only thing you say is nonsense crap that finish with "go back to your wow theme park".
Veeeeery mature. But you reflect the DF fanbase pretty well thanks for making us really not want to buy their product.
I got owned by someone who hasn't even played the game, but judged it by a bunch of youtube videos? I'm at work btw. Oh he only has blue gear in WOW and plays fps's he's the expert on Darkfall alright.
The combat is what turned me off from this game. It just looks foolish when I see somebody swinging a sword and hitting nonthing but air hoping the other player runs into there blade. Darkfalls combat is not a step foward but a step backwards.
I've played every game I've seen listed here and I like the combat in DF. Is it earth shattering? no, but it's a lot of fun and a heck of a lot more skilled than Every mainstream MMO out there.
There's certainly not the mental strategy of buttom mashing 1 3 5 3 5 1 again again and again like in other games that auto target.
If you don't want to play then don't, but when I get home from work I'll be playing Darkfall and I have a choice of everything out there.
The last thing I'll post on this thread is that players have barely touched the skill tree. There's a lot of skills left to be discovered and mastered. We don't know the entire potiential, and yet if it stayed exactly like what I know about I'd still play it over the other games that are out right now.
Hopefully there will be other games that take it furter, but right now I'm satisfied.
it seems to me that there are 2 types of people. Type A) are people who have not played Darkfall and make there own assumptions mostly negative based on what little info they have seen and those who are actually playing Darkfall and enjoying the game immensely. You can't please everyone, but if your a fan of mmo's and your just hating on this game without even giving it a shot, your only cheating yourself out of a really fun and unique experience.
it seems to me that there are 2 types of people. Type A) are people who have not played Darkfall and make there own assumptions mostly negative based on what little info they have seen and those who are actually playing Darkfall and enjoying the game immensely. You can't please everyone, but if your a fan of mmo's and your just hating on this game without even giving it a shot, your only cheating yourself out of a really fun and unique experience.
There's not a type C, people who played the game and thought it sucked donkey balls?
Kind of hard to put me into those two categories without having an option C
The combat is what turned me off from this game. It just looks foolish when I see somebody swinging a sword and hitting nonthing but air hoping the other player runs into there blade. Darkfalls combat is not a step foward but a step backwards.
Actaully you got it backwards. Press 1 button and expecting your character to follow another and swing with successful hits on each swing (Regardless o fany defense, or "Dodging" abillities) is a step backwards. The thing that is really exciting about darkfall is the twitch combat, and no one ever said it is going to have mount and blade combat, merely stated it will be like mount and blade. And even though darkfall has its faults, atm its the funnest thing I played since Darktide. And everyone knows, other than the fact that its common sense, that darkfall IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. I would much prefer someone taking Dark Messiah (of course with balance tweaks and certain changes) and turning that combat into an MMO. World like darkfall, graphics, physics and combat like dark messiah. I believe we'd have a winnarz!
But the fact of having collision detection, which im assuming is your gripe of swinging into air, and twitch combat are much more revolutionary than you think. Having actual player skill in ties with certain equipment goes along way in making a game fun, other than who can get the highest tier weapons. I'd suggest you give it a check **IF** they release a trial.
Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city. Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here. honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t. ROFL
Meh.. its for anyone who comes close
You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.
Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city. Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here. honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t. ROFL
Meh.. its for anyone who comes close
You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.
Enjoy your facist regime.
Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?
on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!
Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game. And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game. Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.
Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city. Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here. honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t. ROFL
Meh.. its for anyone who comes close
You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.
Enjoy your facist regime.
Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?
on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!
Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game. And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game. Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.
Not its fine to have a opinion. This is the internet. If you don't opinons then this is the wrong place to be. If you want one sided moronic view points just go over to the DF forums. You can pretend you didn't see that sizeable crtical post just vanish. Just shout "go back to WOW" loud enough or simply engage in the "teh lulz" behaviour. This is an open community forum. Many people here have followed the game and are fed up with AV and the bullshit - o - meter is beyond anything seen form any release previously. The contradictory amount of material from. This game will be trolled for a long time to come. And it deserves a bit of a ass kicking. Its developers little profitable(?) bubble needs a little bit of a poke.
The game has zero chance of evolving whilst this censorship goes on. But we all know that the NDA... the closed pay for beta... ( yes it is)... is all part of how AV works. Whereas the game is probably not a scam ... its developers are borderline immoral idiots. Heck I don't rule out Lord Tasos doing a runner, such is my faith in AV and its openess.
I do not want to see any other MMO produced like this one. This doesn't mean no indie. It means lengthy NDA... no stress testing... snotty arsed secretive interviews, over hyped lists of items, citing other game directly which are known success and leaching off them and finally pushing out of potential critical review sites.
God forbid SOE figures out just how far you can abuse an audience and still get box sales. We'd be shafted.
Anyways I suspect the Df forums wil shrtly go private so you may never frequent anyhere again that says anything bad about the game.
Meanwhile the freedom exists everywhere else ... well alomst everywhere
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Combat in this game is very exciting. You can for one thing actually strafe arrows and spells. That to me is much more interesting than clicking a mob and watching a bunch of text roll down the screen with the occasional ability click like WOW. Large scale battles are just that. hundreds of spells wizzing around, arrows flying, and screams of "help me" when players fall. Hiding behind rocks and trees and thing like croutching, and run speed matter. In addition, as your playing through combat , different skills increase passively depending on the style of gameplay you are applying.
DF combat has as much depth as Diablo...
diablo was a massively popular game.
THe Backstreet Boys was a massively popular band, doesnt mean they had much depth to their music. Popular does not always mean good or full of depth.
tell that to the people cashing the cheques and the millions that paid them.
Again, popular doesnt mean quality. As a society, we are willing to pay for the latest fad, it is the nature of the beast. The guy who invented the pet rock was cashing all those checks from idiots in the 70s. Doesnt mean it was a good product, just means as a whole, we are stupid and will buy just about anything.
I am not disagreing with you.
but the facts speak for themselves.
First of all, what is Arkum's razor? You mean Occam's Razor? That principle can't even apply in your comment.
Secondly, combat has NO DEPTH. That's the problem I had with it in beta, and it's not going to get fixed with a few patches -- it has to be significantly reworked. In UO there were combos in your attacks, counters to combos (ie, combo breaker!), the ability to reserve mana and use lightweight spells for small attacks and then barrage, or barrage early and hope you get a knockout -- the possibilities were HIGH and it took a lot of fast thinking ingame to figure out what needed to happen based on what your opponent was doing.
In DF, the combat goes like this: Hit the other guy with your LMB. He hits you back. Run around chasing each other. Shoot some arrows and magic in the middle maybe, for a little more damage or ranged shots. Then when one guy gets low stamina, run away and drink a stamina potion.
Yes, group fighting will be more strategic but it's because you need coordination and communication on the battlefield. A smaller group can take out a larger one if they are organized. But the idea for me that killed the game, is that one person CAN'T STAND OUT. There won't be one player who comes in, beats up out of 5 guys and everybody is like OMG YOU RULE. In UO, you had that, and it was a really nice thing to show that your personal skills are what differentiated you from another player. Additionally, it helped me sell a very mediocre account for $1200 with a tiny little house, just because I had made a good name for myself in PvP. People wanted my "NAME" in the game, and paid for it. In DF you won't ever see anything like that, and obviously while it's irrelevant that you 'make a name' for yourself or not, you don't even have the ability to do it in the game because of its bland combat tactics. But I guarantee, some guilds will make a name for themselves. And that's great -- it's just not my cup of tea.
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?? you know in nearly every mmo, the only type of combat that takes any kind of skill and is balanced in anyway is group combat. Though to aramnu, what df did has been done before, a long time ago (planetside, world war ii online, look them up), AV just made it less interesting.
Though melee DOES take skill in DF, not even close to as much skill it takes to do magic and archery, but there is skill in there, but yeah, melee needs an overhaul
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Combat looks boring mainly because it is very simplistic, this is apparent from any video and stream.
Two modes of attack slash and swing. Swing may hit your friends but has a wider arc. Slash is lower arc and more likely to not hit your friends. I could not see damage from behind being a massive problem as 90% of the time the game is so fast the oponent can get behind in one small swoop. The other 10% is people swiping at people from behind. Its not very realistic or hardcore. I see minimal blocking. Speed is more like something akin to Unreal Tournement than Mount and Blade.
If you've been leaving in a bucket ouside of Milton Keynes (UK) with only a blind transexual hobbit feeding your occasionally and wiping your ass or your a PVP FFA fanatic (or both).... you may find it exciting. If however you have played any MMO you will quickly see a lack of attack options (DOT, BUFFS, DEBUFFS AOE etc). Alternatively, if you have played any FPS especially Mount and Blade or even older games like Jedi Academy, then the attack options for realtime combat will seem very, very basic.
The world is big however (many trees) and if you like mindless PvP FFA combat with no real strucuture I can see how the game appeals. As for AV claims... no it is nothing like anticapted as a "living breathing world". Awful in fact in light of the hype.
Have you played the game Tombear81, Or are you somehow making your conclusions based on some Utube videos. Yes combat looks simplistic as it was designed to be. congratulations on your eppifany. There is also archery which is pretty deep, full blown mounted combat, ship to ship combat, naval bombardments, and magic which which goes deeper than any game i've seen since asheron's call . The pvp is not mindles (it can be if you want to be a rogue outcast) but if you actually played the game and were in a guild trying to build a city, you would realize its more political than a game of diplomacy. I assure you there is ALOT more in the overworld than trees.. lol. My advice? Go back to your theme park games click auto attack, and spank it over your purple gear.
the combat may look bland or boring but that does not mean i can be fun.
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look at the combat in eve, it doesnt look utterly spectacular. but the players are having fun, tons of fun.
seems darkfall may be one of those games that you cannot judge by what you see visually but how it actually plays.
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We'll see when its out of beta.
And you would end up with 50 person per ZONE restriction. In Darkfall there is no zones, if you are in Silverspear there is only one Silverspear on the server.
Let's be honest, the entire idea of auto-attack is not really that exciting either. You are trading auto attack for ability to manually dodge, block, and parry attacks. There is an arguement to be made against both systems.
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Hardly. I have played games with both auto-attacks and manual evading..
Hardly. I have played games with both auto-attacks and manual evading..
w00t i'd second for this, would make for easier kills
Ok can we please watch some of the words we use? Do a few lines of TEXT really get to you that fast you have to F* this or that lol. Its TEXT.. wow
As for combat pffft Darkfall ..its nothing new.. its nothing new and its 2009. If your going to try and make exquses for the game, graphics, animation there are 2d games that offer better combat for you yet you wont go near that lol.. ooh but wait.. graphics and animation dont make the game.. yes it does you just put up with the way it is..
Want a nice read? Go read the forums on Darkfall then come back and read here from the ones that .. well like this thread here.. that say there FANS. Its like night and day. These here so called fans that SAY they play the game post nice things about Darkfall. Yet .. why here and not there? Any mmo I play if I post I post on their forums .. If you like the game SOOOOOO much then SHOW THEM! Support them. Over there .. it dont read ..oh happy day.. lol
Obvious video is obvious. You do not need to play the game. All battles have the same classic signitures. Its painful to think the reality after Tasos descriptions. Expectation management is not his strong point.
The combat was not supposed to be simple. It was described as innovative, realtime combat like mount and blade. This devolved into press left mouse button and run around. Rev - - fucking- lutionary. Only if you go back in time and stop just about any FPS game ever being made. Sorry its fail. Its not from what I understand not even unique to MMOs. There is another.. apparently.
Archery is not looking fluid and is more the default thing to do when there out of range. Or spam using the magical vibrating dildo. Oh yes...
Magic look fucking awful. Pissing little red crosses to ressurect someone ( very Wow by they way). The lists I have seen a major copy and paste clone job. They have been better off not implementing magic at all and working on COMBAT!
Mount combat is a big a joke as foot combat. How many attacks there I wonder ? One or two ? The animations look liek the rider is humping the damn thing as well.
The last ship video I saw has people sitting down and flying off into the distance as the boat was not in sync with the players. Oh wonderful. And since boats are made for putting things in.. oh yes... there zero point to trading via the sea. Put yer items in your tumble drier bank. Actually argons shape itself proabably doesn't make to great for sea trading. Lots of thought there AV huh ?
The world is empty and devoid of dynamism. Please tell me whete Lord Tasos flocking AI behavior and population growth / horde of AI attacking a town is. This was all bullshit. The trees are copy and pastes too. Its like the speedtree technology was never invented. Oh wait... AV could never afford to use 3rd party technology.
Politics of the e peen. ow wonderful. We have that on Battlefield with our stat wanking and smack talk. Again DF has little beyond this.
Your last line is a laugh. Given I also play FPS games I am much more likely to slink of the a proper FPS game than some pomped up sanbox wannabe with little depth. A least the FPS game has refined targetting. Or for an sandbox MMO I'd be better of with Eve. Which btw has a very refined economy and logistics which is not putting things into little boxes.
I have played Wow and dont have any purple gear. IN fact I dont have a charector above level 50... you fail on that. I'm afriad your polarisation of the world into Wow / not WoW is rather simplistic.
Welcome to the new world of MMOs people.. lots of promise and little delivery from big or small indie companies. The biggest selling point is the PvP FFA fans desperation and lack of PC gaming knowledge.
Good for you. your the forum winner. I'll be in Darkfall fighting with my guild defending our territory and building our city. Enjoy watching your youtube videos writing your novels here. honestly i didn't even read that wall of nerd rage bullsh&t. ROFL
you should stop talking and play your game cause you sound like someone who just got OWNED bad.
Go go, come on play it wait are the server down? Anyways... he makes valid points and it was a very nice post while the only thing you say is nonsense crap that finish with "go back to your wow theme park".
Veeeeery mature. But you reflect the DF fanbase pretty well thanks for making us really not want to buy their product.
I got owned by someone who hasn't even played the game, but judged it by a bunch of youtube videos? I'm at work btw. Oh he only has blue gear in WOW and plays fps's he's the expert on Darkfall alright.
The combat is what turned me off from this game. It just looks foolish when I see somebody swinging a sword and hitting nonthing but air hoping the other player runs into there blade. Darkfalls combat is not a step foward but a step backwards.
I've played every game I've seen listed here and I like the combat in DF. Is it earth shattering? no, but it's a lot of fun and a heck of a lot more skilled than Every mainstream MMO out there.
There's certainly not the mental strategy of buttom mashing 1 3 5 3 5 1 again again and again like in other games that auto target.
If you don't want to play then don't, but when I get home from work I'll be playing Darkfall and I have a choice of everything out there.
The last thing I'll post on this thread is that players have barely touched the skill tree. There's a lot of skills left to be discovered and mastered. We don't know the entire potiential, and yet if it stayed exactly like what I know about I'd still play it over the other games that are out right now.
Hopefully there will be other games that take it furter, but right now I'm satisfied.
Asdar
it seems to me that there are 2 types of people. Type A) are people who have not played Darkfall and make there own assumptions mostly negative based on what little info they have seen and
those who are actually playing Darkfall and enjoying the game immensely. You can't please everyone, but if your a fan of mmo's and your just hating on this game without even giving it a shot, your only cheating yourself out of a really fun and unique experience.
There's not a type C, people who played the game and thought it sucked donkey balls?
Kind of hard to put me into those two categories without having an option C
Actaully you got it backwards. Press 1 button and expecting your character to follow another and swing with successful hits on each swing (Regardless o fany defense, or "Dodging" abillities) is a step backwards. The thing that is really exciting about darkfall is the twitch combat, and no one ever said it is going to have mount and blade combat, merely stated it will be like mount and blade. And even though darkfall has its faults, atm its the funnest thing I played since Darktide. And everyone knows, other than the fact that its common sense, that darkfall IS NOT FOR EVERYONE. I would much prefer someone taking Dark Messiah (of course with balance tweaks and certain changes) and turning that combat into an MMO. World like darkfall, graphics, physics and combat like dark messiah. I believe we'd have a winnarz!
But the fact of having collision detection, which im assuming is your gripe of swinging into air, and twitch combat are much more revolutionary than you think. Having actual player skill in ties with certain equipment goes along way in making a game fun, other than who can get the highest tier weapons. I'd suggest you give it a check **IF** they release a trial.
Meh.. its for anyone who comes close
You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.
Enjoy your facist regime.
Meh.. its for anyone who comes close
You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.
Enjoy your facist regime.
Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?
on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!
Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game. And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game. Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.
Meh.. its for anyone who comes close
You see unlike DF.. posts here tend not to vanish when a tiny bit of critical thought is leaked out. Which is why in turn these forums are reviled on DF offical forums. Despite the fact the Df forums are outright vicious fanbots and elitist pricktards.
Enjoy your facist regime.
Lol you mean as facist as people going into game forums they dont even like just ot make sure in every thread they mention how it sucks?
on top of that how the majority of players will say whether a game is good are bad depending on their graphics, and then the rest will go into saying OH HES RIGHT, WHO CARES ABOUT LARGE SCALE BATTLES AND HOW THEY AFFECT FPS THAT GAME SUX!!!
Really, i read your post, and the majority of what you found wrong has already been fixed, or is not exactly required to have a good game. And even though its not exactly like Mount and blade combat, it doesnt mean it ruins the rest of the game. Try it for 2 weeks then decide for yourself.
Not its fine to have a opinion. This is the internet. If you don't opinons then this is the wrong place to be. If you want one sided moronic view points just go over to the DF forums. You can pretend you didn't see that sizeable crtical post just vanish. Just shout "go back to WOW" loud enough or simply engage in the "teh lulz" behaviour. This is an open community forum. Many people here have followed the game and are fed up with AV and the bullshit - o - meter is beyond anything seen form any release previously. The contradictory amount of material from. This game will be trolled for a long time to come. And it deserves a bit of a ass kicking. Its developers little profitable(?) bubble needs a little bit of a poke.
The game has zero chance of evolving whilst this censorship goes on. But we all know that the NDA... the closed pay for beta... ( yes it is)... is all part of how AV works. Whereas the game is probably not a scam ... its developers are borderline immoral idiots. Heck I don't rule out Lord Tasos doing a runner, such is my faith in AV and its openess.
I do not want to see any other MMO produced like this one. This doesn't mean no indie. It means lengthy NDA... no stress testing... snotty arsed secretive interviews, over hyped lists of items, citing other game directly which are known success and leaching off them and finally pushing out of potential critical review sites.
God forbid SOE figures out just how far you can abuse an audience and still get box sales. We'd be shafted.
Anyways I suspect the Df forums wil shrtly go private so you may never frequent anyhere again that says anything bad about the game.
Meanwhile the freedom exists everywhere else ... well alomst everywhere