WOW how strong are these Towers? They seem to cause a lot of fear. Can they 1 shot you or something? Can they be attacked and destroyed like Warcraft 3?
They cannot be destroyed, they do 12,5% damage each hit unless u have a shield, which reduces the damage by 90% while blocking, making the towers damage negligable.
Actually I kind of agree with the OP, which really annoying because he is an A1 cock. I can see why they've put the towers in, currently the wilderness banks have become known as 'thegankbank' and are pretty much camped. These towers though are an ill contrived quick fix and are not a deterent for what they are proposed. In many ways they actually work against the poeple they are intended to 'help'. But the game is 1 week old we shall see how things evolve, I hope they will be removed and force players into coming up with their own retaliation techiniques if that is what is needed. It may be that they are only using these as a 'stop gap' until the community grows a little, we shall see.
Go deeper and expain the Tower problem please to the rest of us.
Cause I hear the Towers being brought up a lot. Whats the problem?
Well, it's an opinion nothing more than that. But it's based on what people expect and what they thought they were getting. On the surface creating safe zones doesn't seem too bad but it breaks a lot of the game play imo. For instance you are out with your guild and you come across an enemy guild and it starts to kick off, now a vast majority will stand and fight but others will run to the relative safety of a gusrd tower just to boost their dps, thats just wrong.
But imo more damaging is the fact that it prevents or at least lessens the need for players to take matters into their own hands. The whole point of a sandbox game is that it gives you the freedom to create the world you are in. For instance a clan of 20 odd griefers turn up and start just wiping any and everyone out, atm the 30 or 40 newbs in the area will just retreat to the nearest safe area and more often than not just go make coffee hoping the problem passes by the time they're back. What should happen (and what would be forced to happen without the towers) is those 30 odd newbs should band together and wtf rip the shit outta the gankers, thats the whole point of the game I thought.
The safety of the towers is artificial and only of harm to the players imo, atm it will only be time before the gankers find a work around the towers, they are spending their time figuring it out while the tower tubbies are sitting and giggling. The game and its players need to evolve, pray needs to evolve new defences and it becomes an arms race, tactics and all. The whole point of a ffapvp mmo is to create this arms race, atm its artificial and its only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan because the pray is currently standing still while the predators are getting stronger.
But like I said its just opinion. Also the towers shoot through stuff trees and all, thats just fked up.
Huh?
So you can't camp the starting towns; killing people as they're learning the basics of the game?
Because beginning a new game and having to contend with 30 guys that have been playing for the past month while figuring out how the UI and controls work is what I call fun.
You didn't give an example of how guard toweres are a problem, you just described exactly why a lot of people don't enjoy PvP games.
That mentality is exactly why people use terms like "ganker" and "griefer".
You also described the complete oposite of hardcore pvp.
Being able to camp a "newb" town with 20 or 30 other people "just wiping any and everyone out." is not hardcore.
That's lame.
Towns were always supposed to have guards.
If you've been following the game for 6 years you wold know this, and since you know this that would mean the only reason you started this thread was to create a negative opinion for the game, by providing misleading information and exageration.
And since when does what the fans envision for the game have anything to do with what the devs actually do? It's not your game.
The game is or was suposed to be a hardcore pvp game with lots of freedom. If thats true, the game should not have guard towers near the banks out in the field. This goes against the general idea of the game because you can't "hardcore pvp" anyplace you want. It would be even better of guards tower were replaced by roaming patrols, see?, this idea would be awesome, you could try to sneal them, wait for them to go far and so on. Anyway, Evasia is posting a really valid thing here, you can talk all the time you want about it, but the truth is, they are turnning Darkfall in a less hardcore pvp game and the game wasnt suposed to be that way.
I Wonder their reason for this.
The same reason Trammell happened.
People are asshats. You have to control them because they simply cannot control themselves.
LOL, talk about nailing it in a short response, well done. If players would show some sort of reasonableness and fairplay in their gaming then this sort of stuff wouldn't be necessary.
But since some players are animals at heart, controls must be added to keep them in check and not ruin the experience for other players.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
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"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Originally posted by Zerai Are y'all talking about this? "Signus - Feb 19, 09 04:35 PM Ok, I had to post this three times last night, and twice in the beta forums. I'd hoped I wouldn't have to do it again. I'm just going to say a shortened version. Wilderness towers, do not exist. There were a few towers in the game from day 1 of beta that no one complained about or noticed. There there are towers in the starter noob cities. Nobody complained about these, we've known for years from Tasos himself that noob towns would not be able to be captured or taken over. Now the issue sprang up when two things happened. The first thing that happened is one tower was added to a quest hub in each racial area, right next to newbie towns. As in, where there were ALREADY towers. One tower, as opposed to the 6+ that exist in the noob towns. Now one tower, just one single solitary tower was accidentally placed in the wilderness, ONE tower, and its slotted to be removed (probably already is). This ONE tower created a wave of panic that made people start complaining about "wilderness towers". There are no towers in the wilderness. There is one bugged tower in the wilderness that is about to be removed. The other towers that were added, were all just added to the quest hub in the newbie zones. That's it. "
Now one tower, just one single solitary tower was accidentally placed in the wilderness, ONE tower, and its slotted to be removed (probably already is). This ONE tower created a wave of panic that made people start complaining about "wilderness towers". There are no towers in the wilderness. There is one bugged tower in the wilderness that is about to be removed.
The game is or was suposed to be a hardcore pvp game with lots of freedom. If thats true, the game should not have guard towers near the banks out in the field. This goes against the general idea of the game because you can't "hardcore pvp" anyplace you want. It would be even better of guards tower were replaced by roaming patrols, see?, this idea would be awesome, you could try to sneal them, wait for them to go far and so on. Anyway, Evasia is posting a really valid thing here, you can talk all the time you want about it, but the truth is, they are turnning Darkfall in a less hardcore pvp game and the game wasnt suposed to be that way.
I Wonder their reason for this.
The same reason Trammell happened.
People are asshats. You have to control them because they simply cannot control themselves.
LOL, talk about nailing it in a short response, well done. If players would show some sort of reasonableness and fairplay in their gaming then this sort of stuff wouldn't be necessary.
But since some players are animals at heart, controls must be added to keep them in check and not ruin the experience for other players.
Hehe, well said both off you. We're basically still chimps, just with less fur this time around
The game is or was suposed to be a hardcore pvp game with lots of freedom. If thats true, the game should not have guard towers near the banks out in the field. This goes against the general idea of the game because you can't "hardcore pvp" anyplace you want. It would be even better of guards tower were replaced by roaming patrols, see?, this idea would be awesome, you could try to sneal them, wait for them to go far and so on. Anyway, Evasia is posting a really valid thing here, you can talk all the time you want about it, but the truth is, they are turnning Darkfall in a less hardcore pvp game and the game wasnt suposed to be that way.
Darkfall is hardcore pvp WITH consequences.
The consequences of being a sociopath is the guards in the cities will kill you.
Sounds fair to me.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do. Benjamin Franklin
Wow this didn't take long, how long until item insurance is implemented?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Well Darkfall is become a carebear game this can't be happening 6 years i thought finallya game for hardcore pvp, but no DEVS FUCKING UP THERE OWN game by implemeting more and more SAVEZONES. http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4852/safezone.jpg Guard towers(insanely stupid STARWWARS LASERS BEAMS) Im gald i dont have game yet, why devs become stupid carebears i realy can't believe this happening:(.
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
Well Darkfall is become a carebear game this can't be happening 6 years i thought finallya game for hardcore pvp, but no DEVS FUCKING UP THERE OWN game by implemeting more and more SAVEZONES. http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4852/safezone.jpg Guard towers(insanely stupid STARWWARS LASERS BEAMS) Im gald i dont have game yet, why devs become stupid carebears i realy can't believe this happening:(.
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
I knew this was going to happen. If professional game developers can consistently make the mistake of changing core game directives that make that game special, what would prevent a bunch of amateurs like AV?
I am sorry for all the fans that didn't see this kind of thing coming, and thought that their salvation was really here when DF actually released. There are so many ways a company can mess up a video game. AV will make sure to touch each and every one of those ways to mess up a game before closing down shop.
Launch problems - check
Billing problems - check
Missing RP aspect /alienating half of your supposed targetted userbase - check
Changing the hardcore to just sorta hardcore to alienate the other half - check
The amount of testoterone filled teenagers playing this game is amazing. EDITED : I just checked the OP profile, if your really 50 years, you sure look like a 16 years old posting like that.
So you first reply to my topic im some fucked up teenager you clearly dont like, becouse he likes hardcore pvp.
Then look up my profile see my age and think hey i can humiliate him by saying his age on forum and call him a 16 year old lol.
Hahaha funny how some think how you should act or what kind of style you should play when your older.
Age has nothing to do with preferring hardcore pvp.
I don't think they were refering to you "prefering hardcore PVP."
They were refering to your grammer spelling and general mentality. The tone you set is one that a teenager would set. That is what they are trying to say...
Adults like competative sports, yes that is a well known fact. So why wouldn't they enjoy PVP? You totally missed what he was saying...
As for darkfall inserting safe zones....
Seems kinda stupid to basicly make a whole lot of claims and then they go and do like EVERY SINGLE thing they said they wouldn't do.
I predict in 3 months or so there will be a NGE and CU for this game!
Well Darkfall is become a carebear game this can't be happening 6 years i thought finallya game for hardcore pvp, but no DEVS FUCKING UP THERE OWN game by implemeting more and more SAVEZONES. http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4852/safezone.jpg Guard towers(insanely stupid STARWWARS LASERS BEAMS) Im gald i dont have game yet, why devs become stupid carebears i realy can't believe this happening:(.
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
For instance you should have written:
"Darkfall has become a carebear game"
Maybe English is her/his second language?
Try not to be a grammar Nazi please.
It's pathetic.
No, it's refreshing... the bad grammar in this thread made my eyes bleed. Thank you PatchDay!!
Well Darkfall is become a carebear game this can't be happening 6 years i thought finallya game for hardcore pvp, but no DEVS FUCKING UP THERE OWN game by implemeting more and more SAVEZONES. http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/4852/safezone.jpg Guard towers(insanely stupid STARWWARS LASERS BEAMS) Im gald i dont have game yet, why devs become stupid carebears i realy can't believe this happening:(.
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
For instance you should have written:
"Darkfall has become a carebear game"
Maybe English is her/his second language?
Try not to be a grammar Nazi please.
It's pathetic.
Why is it so hard to use a spellchecker or something. I know many people from other countries that can write posts much better then this.
Now one tower, just one single solitary tower was accidentally placed in the wilderness, ONE tower, and its slotted to be removed (probably already is). This ONE tower created a wave of panic that made people start complaining about "wilderness towers". There are no towers in the wilderness. There is one bugged tower in the wilderness that is about to be removed.
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"The only tower. The ONLY tower, there's only one tower. The only and one tower"
Though I enjoyed Rabbit fan, I'm going to use that
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They cannot be destroyed, they do 12,5% damage each hit unless u have a shield, which reduces the damage by 90% while blocking, making the towers damage negligable.
-Darkstar
Go deeper and expain the Tower problem please to the rest of us.
Cause I hear the Towers being brought up a lot. Whats the problem?
Well, it's an opinion nothing more than that. But it's based on what people expect and what they thought they were getting. On the surface creating safe zones doesn't seem too bad but it breaks a lot of the game play imo. For instance you are out with your guild and you come across an enemy guild and it starts to kick off, now a vast majority will stand and fight but others will run to the relative safety of a gusrd tower just to boost their dps, thats just wrong.
But imo more damaging is the fact that it prevents or at least lessens the need for players to take matters into their own hands. The whole point of a sandbox game is that it gives you the freedom to create the world you are in. For instance a clan of 20 odd griefers turn up and start just wiping any and everyone out, atm the 30 or 40 newbs in the area will just retreat to the nearest safe area and more often than not just go make coffee hoping the problem passes by the time they're back. What should happen (and what would be forced to happen without the towers) is those 30 odd newbs should band together and wtf rip the shit outta the gankers, thats the whole point of the game I thought.
The safety of the towers is artificial and only of harm to the players imo, atm it will only be time before the gankers find a work around the towers, they are spending their time figuring it out while the tower tubbies are sitting and giggling. The game and its players need to evolve, pray needs to evolve new defences and it becomes an arms race, tactics and all. The whole point of a ffapvp mmo is to create this arms race, atm its artificial and its only a matter of time before the shit hits the fan because the pray is currently standing still while the predators are getting stronger.
But like I said its just opinion. Also the towers shoot through stuff trees and all, thats just fked up.
Huh?
So you can't camp the starting towns; killing people as they're learning the basics of the game?
Because beginning a new game and having to contend with 30 guys that have been playing for the past month while figuring out how the UI and controls work is what I call fun.
You didn't give an example of how guard toweres are a problem, you just described exactly why a lot of people don't enjoy PvP games.
That mentality is exactly why people use terms like "ganker" and "griefer".
You also described the complete oposite of hardcore pvp.
Being able to camp a "newb" town with 20 or 30 other people "just wiping any and everyone out." is not hardcore.
That's lame.
Towns were always supposed to have guards.
If you've been following the game for 6 years you wold know this, and since you know this that would mean the only reason you started this thread was to create a negative opinion for the game, by providing misleading information and exageration.
And since when does what the fans envision for the game have anything to do with what the devs actually do? It's not your game.
Towers REPLACED guards in some areas.
And it's SAFEzones not SAVEzones.
I Wonder their reason for this.
The same reason Trammell happened.
People are asshats. You have to control them because they simply cannot control themselves.
LOL, talk about nailing it in a short response, well done. If players would show some sort of reasonableness and fairplay in their gaming then this sort of stuff wouldn't be necessary.
But since some players are animals at heart, controls must be added to keep them in check and not ruin the experience for other players.
"True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde
"I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions. Pvbs 18:2, NIV
Don't just play games, inhabit virtual worlds™
"This is the most intelligent, well qualified and articulate response to a post I have ever seen on these forums. It's a shame most people here won't have the attention span to read past the second line." - Anon
Now one tower, just one single solitary tower was accidentally placed in the wilderness, ONE tower, and its slotted to be removed (probably already is). This ONE tower created a wave of panic that made people start complaining about "wilderness towers". There are no towers in the wilderness. There is one bugged tower in the wilderness that is about to be removed.
THIS^^
I Wonder their reason for this.
The same reason Trammell happened.
People are asshats. You have to control them because they simply cannot control themselves.
LOL, talk about nailing it in a short response, well done. If players would show some sort of reasonableness and fairplay in their gaming then this sort of stuff wouldn't be necessary.
But since some players are animals at heart, controls must be added to keep them in check and not ruin the experience for other players.
Hehe, well said both off you. We're basically still chimps, just with less fur this time around
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Darkfall is hardcore pvp WITH consequences.
The consequences of being a sociopath is the guards in the cities will kill you.
Sounds fair to me.
Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
Benjamin Franklin
Wow this didn't take long, how long until item insurance is implemented?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Wilderness towers is Vaporware.
-Darkstar ;-)
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
For instance you should have written:
"Darkfall has become a carebear game"
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
For instance you should have written:
"Darkfall has become a carebear game"
Maybe English is her/his second language?
Try not to be a grammar Nazi please.
It's pathetic.
Playing: Nothing
Looking forward to: Nothing
I knew this was going to happen. If professional game developers can consistently make the mistake of changing core game directives that make that game special, what would prevent a bunch of amateurs like AV?
I am sorry for all the fans that didn't see this kind of thing coming, and thought that their salvation was really here when DF actually released. There are so many ways a company can mess up a video game. AV will make sure to touch each and every one of those ways to mess up a game before closing down shop.
Launch problems - check
Billing problems - check
Missing RP aspect /alienating half of your supposed targetted userbase - check
Changing the hardcore to just sorta hardcore to alienate the other half - check
Yeah there is plenty to pick her post apart with. Your not even losing so don't pull the speelling card yet.
So you first reply to my topic im some fucked up teenager you clearly dont like, becouse he likes hardcore pvp.
Then look up my profile see my age and think hey i can humiliate him by saying his age on forum and call him a 16 year old lol.
Hahaha funny how some think how you should act or what kind of style you should play when your older.
Age has nothing to do with preferring hardcore pvp.
I don't think they were refering to you "prefering hardcore PVP."
They were refering to your grammer spelling and general mentality. The tone you set is one that a teenager would set. That is what they are trying to say...
Adults like competative sports, yes that is a well known fact. So why wouldn't they enjoy PVP? You totally missed what he was saying...
As for darkfall inserting safe zones....
Seems kinda stupid to basicly make a whole lot of claims and then they go and do like EVERY SINGLE thing they said they wouldn't do.
I predict in 3 months or so there will be a NGE and CU for this game!
lawl!
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
For instance you should have written:
"Darkfall has become a carebear game"
Maybe English is her/his second language?
Try not to be a grammar Nazi please.
It's pathetic.
No, it's refreshing... the bad grammar in this thread made my eyes bleed. Thank you PatchDay!!
Why do ALL of your posts have countless misspelling?
For instance you should have written:
"Darkfall has become a carebear game"
Maybe English is her/his second language?
Try not to be a grammar Nazi please.
It's pathetic.
Why is it so hard to use a spellchecker or something. I know many people from other countries that can write posts much better then this.
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Now one tower, just one single solitary tower was accidentally placed in the wilderness, ONE tower, and its slotted to be removed (probably already is). This ONE tower created a wave of panic that made people start complaining about "wilderness towers". There are no towers in the wilderness. There is one bugged tower in the wilderness that is about to be removed.
[/quote]
"The only tower. The ONLY tower, there's only one tower. The only and one tower"
Though I enjoyed Rabbit fan, I'm going to use that