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Truth, this man speaks it

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and no its not Obama

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The Brave Do Not Fear The Grave

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  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    Cool I am going to send a Tea Bag!  Woot!  

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698

    I am 100% for reinstituting the draft.

     

     

    It scares, worries, and frightens me to see a generation of war-mongers who, themselves, refuse to participate in those wars.  It is unfair that a certain class citizens and their families have to bear the tremendous burden of MULTIPLE wars.

     

     

    Throw them into the field of the battle of the war they so strongly support.  Instantaneously I can, like magic, "change their minds" about war when they have to actually have to contribute to the fight.  I think we have military bases in 150 countries at the time of writing this.

    Ex.:  Cheney and Bush. 

  • vonomousvonomous Member Posts: 357

    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...

     

    "If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'

  • ThrakkThrakk Member Posts: 1,226

    old man is old

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

  • vonomousvonomous Member Posts: 357
    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

     

    I think you are misunderstanding the way wars are declared here.  They don't go up for a vote.  Sometimes congress is asked to approve, but congress is not beholden to the American people.  They follow orders from the financiers that keep them in office. 

    And to this idea of losing wars... we didn't even break out the nukes yet.  You think we're going to be losing wars when we start using neutron bombs to clear half a country per shot?  Don't push us.  We've been playing nice thus far.  Don't count on it continuing. 

     

     

     

     

    "If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'

  • WolfenprideWolfenpride Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,988
    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

    I'll have to agree with you, that the people who support a war, should be the ones participating in the war. Sitting back at home, telling people to go die and kill for you is just pathetic. A draft would in fact put these people out in the field, though unwillingly i suppose, and supposedly "fighting in what they believe in."

    I don't support a draft at this period in time however due to my personal feelings on the current war, but in future wars I can conjure up scenarios in which i feel it would be necessary.

  • fulmanfufulmanfu Member Posts: 1,523


    Originally posted by declaredemer
       YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.
     
     

    June 5, 1942 was the last time the U.S. declared a war. just a bit of trivia for ya.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by Wolfenpride


    I'll have to agree with you, that the people who support a war, should be the ones participating in the war.

     

    We have, unlike a REAL war *WWII* have abandoned that idea of ONE NATION, under GOD.  In truth, let's face it, we will vote for, and support, taking-away our own rights and sending off (not our own) but others' sons and daughters to fight wars.

     

     

    When it is us, here, now, reading this... or our own children responsible for the execution of those wars, TRUST ME, policy ideas, idealogy, and the cause for war change.

     

    Until we, as ONE NATION, under God, collectively, together fight our battles and our wars, we will have one wacky foreign policy.  America needs, and requires, all of us working together.  It is unfair for certain people and their families to bear these burdens . . . alone.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by declaredemer


    I am 100% for reinstituting the draft.
     
     
    It scares, worries, and frightens me to see a generation of war-mongers who, themselves, refuse to participate in those wars.  It is unfair that a certain class citizens and their families have to bear the tremendous burden of MULTIPLE wars.
     
     
    Throw them into the field of the battle of the war they so strongly support.  Instantaneously I can, like magic, "change their minds" about war when they have to actually have to contribute to the fight.  I think we have military bases in 150 countries at the time of writing this.
    Ex.:  Cheney and Bush. 

     

    Ah yes once again the chickenhawk ad hominem non argument, combined with the beliefe that the state owns its people, and not the other way around.

  • NarugNarug Member UncommonPosts: 756
    Originally posted by declaredemer


    I am 100% for reinstituting the draft.
     
     
    It scares, worries, and frightens me to see a generation of war-mongers who, themselves, refuse to participate in those wars.  It is unfair that a certain class citizens and their families have to bear the tremendous burden of MULTIPLE wars.
     
     
    Throw them into the field of the battle of the war they so strongly support.  Instantaneously I can, like magic, "change their minds" about war when they have to actually have to contribute to the fight.  I think we have military bases in 150 countries at the time of writing this.
    Ex.:  Cheney and Bush. 

    The continental army disagrees with you. Considering they gave their blood for formation of this country and all.

    A voluntary approach for a free peoples is always the answer.

    That is what and what has always been about on this side.

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  • vonomousvonomous Member Posts: 357
    Originally posted by declaredemer



    When it is us, here, now, reading this... or our own children responsible for the execution of those wars, TRUST ME, policy ideas, idealogy, and the cause for war change.

    And by "us" I presume you mean those Americans living on the other side of the planet from you.

    Anyway what if we got a draft and everyone was like; "F#@k it, crawling through trenches sucks!  Let's just drop Neutron bombs on all of our enemies and call it a day.  It seemed really cruel before, but now that I'm in the desert with a rifle I'm starting to think pushing that button is the right thing to do after all."

    I'd say that would qualify as a backfire.

     

    "If you can't out wit them, report them till they're banned!"- PopinJ'

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

     

    What wars have we lost? The last war we lost was viet nam and we had a draft.

    Voluntary fighting forces are freer and better than drafts.

    Serfdom is not the answer to any problems.

  • declaredemerdeclaredemer Member Posts: 2,698
    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

     

    What wars have we lost? The last war we lost was viet nam and we had a draft.

    Voluntary fighting forces are freer and better than drafts.

    Serfdom is not the answer to any problems.

     

    People supporting, voting YES, for wars they do not understand and unwilling to fight in.

     

    Require people to participate, even nominally, in the battle, and SUDDENLY you will have sensible foreign policies.

     

    Look, pardon my inadequacy to convey the truth of the matter, but if the people who supported these wars had to fight in them, they would not have supported them.  But, if they did have to fight in them, rest assured our soldiers would have the property equipment and support to get the job done.  These wars, ladies and gentlemen, are not tenable.  I wish they were.  It is not about losing.  It is not about victory, or winning, at this point.  It appears to be about mitigating the loss or losses, which is not why you fight wars in the first place.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by Fishermage

    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

     

    What wars have we lost? The last war we lost was viet nam and we had a draft.

    Voluntary fighting forces are freer and better than drafts.

    Serfdom is not the answer to any problems.

     

    People supporting, voting YES, for wars they do not understand and unwilling to fight in.

     

    Require people to participate, even nominally, in the battle, and SUDDENLY you will have sensible foreign policies.

     

    Look, pardon my inadequacy to convey the truth of the matter, but if the people who supported these wars had to fight in them, they would not have supported them.  But, if they did have to fight in them, rest assured our soldiers would have the property equipment and support to get the job done.  These wars, ladies and gentlemen, are not tenable.  I wish they were.  It is not about losing.  It is not about victory, or winning, at this point.  It appears to be about mitigating the loss or losses, which is not why you fight wars in the first place.

     

    Sorry slavery is wrong, no matter what social engineering you use to try and justify it.

    You ad hominem attacks are just that -- ad hominem attacks. The chickenhawk argument is crap, plain and simple.

  • FishermageFishermage Member Posts: 7,562
    Originally posted by xxvicexx

    Originally posted by Wolfenpride

    Originally posted by declaredemer

    Originally posted by vonomous


    Hey Declaredemer, are you really calling for a draft in the USA from your home in Australia?  I was just reading your profile...
     

     

    Yes. I am.

     

    A draft is necessary.   YOU have declared wars on MANY people AND countries.

     

    You are LOSING wars because the people are not behind those wars.  The problem?  People voting YES, for war, and not contributing the pain, costs, and challenges of those wars.  A draft, almost INSTANTEONOUSLY, resolves that nettelsome problem.  

    I'll have to agree with you, that the people who support a war, should be the ones participating in the war. Sitting back at home, telling people to go die and kill for you is just pathetic. A draft would in fact put these people out in the field, though unwillingly i suppose, and supposedly "fighting in what they believe in."

    I don't support a draft at this period in time however due to my personal feelings on the current war, but in future wars I can conjure up scenarios in which i feel it would be necessary.

     

    So is sitting in the back second guessing everyone about things you know little or nothing about.

    But far be it for the anti-war people to shut the hell up about things they don't even bother trying to comprehend or accept because it doesn't fit what they wish to be.

    To this day they continue to defame our soldiers, and ignore the realities of Iraq(already they are starting in on Afghanistan) because that win doesn't fit their desires.   Those who will put up millions of others lives for the sweet promises of words. Those willing to play the role of a Charlatan willingly for a mantra.

    Save a place in your litany for them. They deserve it.........Others bought it.

     

     

     

     

     

    They are simply consistent enemies of liberty, and will use whatever shabby tactics, they can to promote their anti-freedom agenda. They want free people to die, and be forced to die, just so that it'll help their political agenda.

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