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Bye bye republican filibusters when Franken is seated.
Great news.
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All this means is the Dems will step on there cranks much like the Republicans did. When you can pass any idiotic idea that comes across you generally will. Dont try and say they will show restraint we know they wont they are pliticians.
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". No one can stop anyone from pursuing happiness, but life and liberty are said to only exist if they are deliberately sought and paid for".
All this means is the Dems will step on there cranks much like the Republicans did. When you can pass any idiotic idea that comes across you generally will. Dont try and say they will show restraint we know they wont they are pliticians.
Step on their cranks? That means what exactly?
Idiotic is relative. What you deem an idiotic congressional idea, the majority of the people probably think it's good.
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He, like me, changed parties.
The Republican party became a party of BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG BUSINESS, upside-down tax and economic policies, MULTIPLE wars, and so forth.
I figured, hey, if we're going to have BIG GOVERNMENT, might as well have some of it for regular people and not just the corporations and wealthy of this nation.
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Frankly, let's get serious: the Republican party never really was a party for limited government. Beginning with Ronal Reagan, the regular fixed-income taxpayer had the greatest tax increase in US HISTORY.
Republicans simply think they are rich, or think they are one day going to get rich, and therefore they support assassine policies that hurt them and their families.
It is not so much a party but an ideology that loves money and war.
Ya, might as well get yours while the getting is good. To hell with everything else.
I think that is precisely the Republican thinking that hurts the country each time they take-control; they simply loot our Treasury, raise our national debt, and give special interests tax cuts and tax subsidies. I say tax subsidies and tax cuts for ALL, not just the wealthy, and throwing 600 bucks at little fixed-income wage-earners is not really helping them. They need their cost-of-living to decrease substantially: health care, education, food prices, energy, etc.*
*Regular people, like 89% of taxpayers got 600 bucks from Bush tax cuts; the wealthy, however, got around 60,000 because when you reduce 39 to 34% on a lot of money, that is substantial savings. The wealthy has benefited from taking workers' money and giving it to the wealthy via tax cuts and inflation.
It really does not make sense to ME, but there are a lot of people who think that (one day) they will get theirs.
LOL.
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Simply put: my theory is that every time we employ supply-side economic and tax policies, we hurt our economy, although many do benefit. Now the people who benefited the most from easy-money policies and de-regulation are having their assets guaranteed, receiving free taxpayer money, and reorganized as federal banks.
This is, as far as I know, the most strange economic period in US HISTORY.
As far as I know, which is limited.
EDIT 2: A lot of people, taxpaying Americans at least, really believe that if we take their money through (a) taxes or (b) inflationa nd give it to the wealthy, they somehow too will become rich. Again, I do not get it. BUT! that is ME!
Have you been asleep the last 100 days?
People would be wise to just accept BIG GOVERNMENT and BIG BUSINESS (especially BIG FINANCE/BANKING).
Any system that "changes" experience some resistance. Does not matter if it is in nature, business, or government.
The transition we are in will be very interesting to see what the outcome is.
Either you are becoming extremely sarcastic or a leftist extremist. And, what's this "we" talk - I thought you hailed from down under?
Either you are becoming extremely sarcastic or a leftist extremist. And, what's this "we" talk - I thought you hailed from down under?
He is playing games because he can't believe what he is writing.
I am not sure what either of you are talking about.
I will say this, though, if the bail-outs do not work, I do not anticipate a "rescue" for either of you.
But, alas, I could be wrong.
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This is an extraordinarily critical economic crisis we are in. Extraordinary. We are witnessing, I think, for the first time, your generation have LESS opportunity/Liberty and a LOWER standard-of-living than your parents. It is you, and your parents, though, who are amending state Constitutions to take-away your rights. It many respects, you get the government you deserve, and if you support upside-down economic and tax policies, who says you ought to complain when you lose your house, job, spending power, and so forth?
It would be wise to either get (a) tough or (b) smart. BUT! Do not take my word for it, because I try to speak in the abstract and explore varying viewpoints to learn their complex dimensions. Alas, though, gaming web page or kidding or not kidding, the up and coming youngsters might find "change."
Huge government spending did not work with the New Plan, nor will it work now. I do not need a bailout - I have myself covered and I have yet to be affected by the current economic "crisis". Living within one's means helps a lot, as well as securing valuables that are tangible.
Living within one's means helps a lot, as well as securing valuables that are tangible.
Well, then, you ought to borrow more like everyone else.
Huge government spending did not work with the New Plan, nor will it work now. I do not need a bailout - I have myself covered and I have yet to be affected by the current economic "crisis". Living within one's means helps a lot, as well as securing valuables that are tangible.
So what got us out of the depression that wasn't huge government spending?
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Self-correcting forces inherent in the economy - it not only happened in the 30's, but the 80's as well. There will always be increased periods of growth and periods of retraction. It is such a decline this time around because of the increased borrowing and lending to those who were not credit-worthy.
That, and Spam and Twinkies. Yeah, they helped too, i'm sure of it.
Two questions.
1) Has the GOP lost its way?
2) What can they do to return to relevancy?
3) What does this mean, or what COULD it mean, best part is at the end of this post, though it is all brilliant
My thoughts.
1) The GOP was hijacked by neo-cons. Not only did they lose their way, but the people who hijacked the party have diametrically opposed views to the traditional party platform. The members of the GOP sold out to the neo-cons to gain power. Their brand of Fascism Light appealed to enough far right wingers and christian conservatives to almost win the elections in 2000 and 2004 (both elections were taken via voter fraud: Florida in 2000 and Ohio in 2004). The concepts of torture and pre-emptive strikes are against everything the USA used to stand for (and I guess is slowly starting to stand for again). To have taken these paths, which are what the Founding Fathers fought against, into the platform of the Republican party is to invite the eventual disrepair of said party.
2) As far as returning to relevancy, it is going to be a long hard road with much soul searching. Firstly they need to refuse the concept of "Might makes Right" and return to "Might in the service of Right". The enemies of the Republican party who serve in said party are deeply entrenched so it may take from a decade to a generation to wash the stain of the Neo-Cons from the Republican party.
3) Finally, Sen Specter. His flip gives the Democrats control of the Senate during Obamas first term, ensuring that americans will have universal health care and that a myriad of other programs popular with voters will be passed. This will increase Obamas chances in 2012, which many say is already a landslide in the making. He will be able to state "I got a new budget through, provided americans with health care and fixed the economy" all this in the first year!
The punishment is not over yet, in 2010 one-third of the senate is up for election, while many of those seats are safe (on both sides) I daresay that the Dems will pick up more seats, leading to an unprecidented 60+ majority.
And the hits just keep on coming!! In 2012, where another one-third of the Senate is up for re-election it is POSSIBLE that on Obama's very long and elegant coat-tails he can bring in enough democratic senators to get the count to 66 democrats. Why, the audience asks, is this important?!
With so many, a super-majority, Obama can do what few President have ever done, successfully change the very Constitution of the United States of America, and maybe, just MAYBE bring the US out of the 18th centruy vis-a-vis its form of government.
And that ladies and gentleman is "Change you can believe in!!"
Yours in 66 Senators Plasma,
Star¤Dagger
P.S. I am laughing so hard right now it hurts!
so, Spector is a complete ***hole. I don't care what party he belongs to, I have voted against him and will vote against him in every election he is in. When I leave work today I will likely trip over a rock more competent than he will ever be.
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1) It never had a way since they left the seventies. Reagan was a prop and a lot of the policies we have today sprang from that nonsense. (Trickle down) Trickle down never worked because the rich called the plumber in to stop the leaks on the money faucet. It was a classic case of propaganda and the dumbest part of Americana bought it because they weren't as educated back then. Their way? They haven't had a "way" since two decades ago. It's been all fear mongering and I don't think they've lost that at all.
2) They don't return to relevancy. Usually the older ideas die out with a younger generation. The younger generation usually tries to look back and see what's stupid the generation before them made, and correct it. (Slavery, Child Labor, Women's voting rights, Jim Crow, Equal rights, Abortion, stem cells, Gay rights) The problem with the Republican party is.. well, just look at them: its the party of mainly rich, White, senior conservatives with a hard religious right slant. Now look at the country: its multicultural, middle class, increasingly educated, and liberal and forward thinking. These people are never going to buy into the idea that the Bible should be the guide for our politics, because they see how crooked things were the last eight years with Bush and Cheney. They don't call it the "Grand OLD Party" for nothing, lol.
Torture, allowing Enrons, Tyco's, Halliburtons, banking and Wall Street to run amok getting rich, while jobs disappeared along with benefits are all things this current generation has seen, and they really don't like any of it. The Republicans are trying to replenish their ranks before all the fogeys die out, but they have an increasingly smaller pool of citizens to draw from due to their stupidity. To put it in gaming terms, the Republican Party is the political equivalent of Warhammer Online looking for more subs.
The younger conservatives would never even call themselves "Republican" but "Independant Conservatives". They simply don't believe all the moral stuff that goes with the Republican position because its too stupid, and the leaders don't practice it anyways. You have a better chance of a real third party developing before someone gets back onto the Republican party bandwagon.
3) What does it mean? We've turned a corner where the Republicans have no ideas whatsover except to say "No" to everything, call people nasty names and be small and petty and the people see that. "NO" with no real ideas might as well be "I don't know", and that's where the Republicans are. Right now, they don't even have a leader and you know what happens when a movement has no leader.
It's great to see Specter defect, but it would have been even better if he went further and declared "Independant" like me and the growing population.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Big government is never for regular people -- it is always protects the elite. Bigger government, which is what we get from the Democrats, merely means the regular people are even MORE screwed.
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Please define neo-con?
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Good about Specter's switch.
Any other year though I'd agree that one party controlling everything unchallenged leaves a good portion of the country's ideas unrepresented, but our last congress' Republicans were plain ridiculous with the record amount of filibusters; I don't want to see 'em amid a recession and look forward to any consequent quickening of passing or denying legislation.
And on a more sensationalist note, it's getting very interesting to see the Republican party tear itself into two. I recall a few months ago Steele practically threatening to outcast Specter and other moderate Republicans that voted with Democrats on Obama's plans; yet around the same time was conceding control of the right to Limbaugh. Boy what a dysfunctional party; hail a talk show host, push actual party entities that matter away.
Neoconservatives
American neoconservatives have argued since the 1960s for low taxes, the elimination of the welfare state and a forceful, patriotic attitude toward foreign policy. The movement has a strong influence within The Bush Administration and is thought to be partly responsible for the Iraq War.
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Also known as: Neocons
Pretty sure he means people like that who later evolved into Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Dick Pearle, Dick Cheney.. those kind of assholes.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Neoconservatives
American neoconservatives have argued since the 1960s for low taxes, the elimination of the welfare state and a forceful, patriotic attitude toward foreign policy. The movement has a strong influence within The Bush Administration and is thought to be partly responsible for the Iraq War.
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Also known as: Neocons
Pretty sure he means people like that who later evolved into Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Dick Pearle, Dick Cheney.. those kind of assholes.
So neo-con means "conservative."
Okay, name a conservative then whi is not a neo-con.
I see three of them are Jews. Does that have anything to do with your definition?
I am seeing nothing definitive in your definition.
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I just think it means Jewish conservative. It's part of the new antisemitism so prevalent on the left these days. I see nothing but an epithet.
It certainly seems to have no meaning other than Jews who are conservative.
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All this means is the Dems will step on there cranks much like the Republicans did. When you can pass any idiotic idea that comes across you generally will. Dont try and say they will show restraint we know they wont they are pliticians.
Step on their cranks? That means what exactly?
Idiotic is relative. What you deem an idiotic congressional idea, the majority of the people probably think it's good.
Right the majority. We shall see. I am hoping it all crashing so I can laugh my ass off as you all suffer. Really that is what I hope for. I said it you all hoped Bush would fail, well I hope Obama fails if it takes America with him it will be well deserved.
"Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness". No one can stop anyone from pursuing happiness, but life and liberty are said to only exist if they are deliberately sought and paid for".