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  • OzmodanOzmodan Member EpicPosts: 9,726
    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Warcraft (series) = Warhammer.
    Starcraft = Warhammer 40k - Orcs.
    Not that they are not their own titles now, but come on, doesn't take a genius to see this.
     
    I look foward to seeing what they ripoff assimilate copy are "influenced by" come up with.



     

    Complete nonsense.  If Wow was derived from anything, it was a combo of D&D and EQ.  Let's not forget that Warhammer originated from D&D also.  Of course D&D derived from Tolkien.

    So lets not give and of these Warcraft people any more non existent facts to rant about.

    Hope Blizzard makes a great game, no matter what the IP.  I know they will.

  • kakarotragekakarotrage Member Posts: 280

    Ye .. a new IP like we already knew , so I guess it's gonna be a while until we play a decent mmo again.

    World of Warcraft is a proof that MMORPG quality should affect schedule/budget and not the other way around.

  • DeathTrippDeathTripp Member UncommonPosts: 263
    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by coffee

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Warcraft (series) = Warhammer.
    Starcraft = Warhammer 40k - Orcs.
    Not that they are not their own titles now, but come on, doesn't take a genius to see this.
     
    I look foward to seeing what they ripoff come up with.



     

    the jealousy hate runs deep in this one.. MMMmmm

     

    Jealousy of what? WoW is a fine game, and they have does great things. But lets not claim the IP was holy original shall we.

     



    I keep forgetting that i need to put an entire disclaimer on my life, and views. Or the posting physics will call me out!

     

     

     



     

    Why not?? You seem to claim Warhammer as the original holy grail IP.

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  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    Originally posted by Ozmodan

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Warcraft (series) = Warhammer.
    Starcraft = Warhammer 40k - Orcs.
    Not that they are not their own titles now, but come on, doesn't take a genius to see this.
     
    I look foward to seeing what they ripoff assimilate copy are "influenced by" come up with.



     

    Complete nonsense.  If Wow was derived from anything, it was a combo of D&D and EQ.  Let's not forget that Warhammer originated from D&D also.  Of course D&D derived from Tolkien.

    So lets not give and of these Warcraft people any more non existent facts to rant about.

    Hope Blizzard makes a great game, no matter what the IP.  I know they will.

     

    Did i say WoW? I said the IP.

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  • MoretrinketsMoretrinkets Member Posts: 730

    eh? nobody shall question the Almighty Blizzard. Whatever they release is prove of their glorious greatness!

  • TheocritusTheocritus Member LegendaryPosts: 9,976
    Originally posted by arcdevil


    more like when Blizzard rip off existing older IPs, they are just ripping off existing older IPs
     
    Blizzard doesnt have one gram of originality in any of their games. and whats ever worse,not one atom of honesty
     
    I give more credit to those that at least have the honesty to buy the real IP and try to make it the most similar to the real game, than to a company that literally stole hundreds of models, redesigned them a bit here and there yet anyone with half a brain can see the blatant similarities,and gave them a new name
     
    of course,this must mean that im a hateboi, and everything i said is wrong. blizzard are an innovative company,and if only the rest copied them even tho their products have 25 years more than blizzard's...time travel,i guess....
     
    btw,warcraft- starcraft and warhammer-warhammer40k are almost twin brothers due to a funny coincidence of galactic dimensions. everybody that isnt a hateboi knows that
     
     
    now, Blizzard's new MMO? mmm, no idea. maybe Star Warcraft: The Old Repu Kingdom. or probably Bonan the Cim Klinmerian
     



     

           I'd like ot see them take Anarchy Online or EQ or Asheron's Call and make a modern game out of those....The only problem I have with Blizzard's games is that they tend to make games for the masses and they are too easy for people who are serious gamers.

  • Isamright33Isamright33 Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by Isamright33

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by Isamright33

    Originally posted by coffee

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by coffee

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Warcraft (series) = Warhammer.
    Starcraft = Warhammer 40k - Orcs.
    Not that they are not their own titles now, but come on, doesn't take a genius to see this.
     
    I look foward to seeing what they ripoff come up with.



     

    the jealousy hate runs deep in this one.. MMMmmm

     

    Jealousy of what? WoW is a fine game, and they have does great things. But lets not claim the IP was holy original shall we.

     



    I keep forgetting that i need to put an entire disclaimer on my life, and views. Or the posting physics will call me out!

     

     

     

     

    I am waiting for you or some one else to chime in with the classic yet 100% unfounded "Warcraft was ment to be Warhammer but GW decided to cancel" or the even funnier "starcraft was ment to be Warhammer 40k"

     

    Bottom line, Warcraft and starcraft play on the classic races and settings that all sci-fi and fantasy games,books and stories have always played on... Warhammer/40k created nothing original or can claim to be original in anyway... just as WoW/SC cannot.. its the story and characters that make a game great and Blizzard are masters at that.

     

    I agree wtih you man, i think people trying to claim that warcraft online stole from warhammer universe is pretty stupid, it's like claiming that a game stole it's mechanics from a movie....or something considering warhammer came out after wow....

     

    And no offense but I have studied the warhammer universe and I don't see any similarities between the two in question, and say lord of the rings, or c.s. lewis's books...so i mean if you really want to get nit picky, warhammer stole from conan.

     

    I'm not talking about the MMO's.

    If you guys can't see it, then there is no help for you. Its really very simple.

     



     

    Sadly my friend, I think youa re the one who needs help. What you are doing is akin to looking at a show about the future, and saying wow, they copied back from teh future because the word future is in the same sentence.

     

    Uh, no.

    Space marines = Terrans

    Eldar = Protoss

    Tyranids = Zerg

    K man i'm going to make this simple for you

     

    space marines = space marines

    eldar = predator

    tyranids = aliens

    you see?

    or

    space marines = humans

    eldar = elves

    tyranids = orcs?

    do you need more proof that you are wrong?

  • Isamright33Isamright33 Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by Isamright33

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by Isamright33

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by Isamright33

    Originally posted by coffee

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth

    Originally posted by coffee

    Originally posted by Mrbloodworth


    Warcraft (series) = Warhammer.
    Starcraft = Warhammer 40k - Orcs.
    Not that they are not their own titles now, but come on, doesn't take a genius to see this.
     
    I look foward to seeing what they ripoff come up with.



     

    the jealousy hate runs deep in this one.. MMMmmm

     

    Jealousy of what? WoW is a fine game, and they have does great things. But lets not claim the IP was holy original shall we.

     



    I keep forgetting that i need to put an entire disclaimer on my life, and views. Or the posting physics will call me out!

     

     

     

     

    I am waiting for you or some one else to chime in with the classic yet 100% unfounded "Warcraft was ment to be Warhammer but GW decided to cancel" or the even funnier "starcraft was ment to be Warhammer 40k"

     

    Bottom line, Warcraft and starcraft play on the classic races and settings that all sci-fi and fantasy games,books and stories have always played on... Warhammer/40k created nothing original or can claim to be original in anyway... just as WoW/SC cannot.. its the story and characters that make a game great and Blizzard are masters at that.

     

    I agree wtih you man, i think people trying to claim that warcraft online stole from warhammer universe is pretty stupid, it's like claiming that a game stole it's mechanics from a movie....or something considering warhammer came out after wow....

     

    And no offense but I have studied the warhammer universe and I don't see any similarities between the two in question, and say lord of the rings, or c.s. lewis's books...so i mean if you really want to get nit picky, warhammer stole from conan.

     

    I'm not talking about the MMO's.

    If you guys can't see it, then there is no help for you. Its really very simple.

     



     

    Sadly my friend, I think youa re the one who needs help. What you are doing is akin to looking at a show about the future, and saying wow, they copied back from teh future because the word future is in the same sentence.

     

    Uh, no.

    Space marines = Terrans

    Eldar = Protoss

    Tyranids = Zerg

    K man i'm going to make this simple for you

     

    space marines = space marines

    eldar = predator

    tyranids = aliens

    you see?

    or

    space marines = humans

    eldar = elves

    tyranids = orcs?

    do you need more proof that you are wrong?



     

    oh wait you're right, starcraft copied warhamer, and so did aliens vs. predator, lord of the rings, and real life in the year 2020 when the googleboogles come to protect us from the shnozlewuzzles.

  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    Originally posted by Isamright33
    I agree wtih you man, i think people trying to claim that warcraft online stole from warhammer universe is pretty stupid, it's like claiming that a game stole it's mechanics from a movie....or something considering warhammer came out after wow....


     



     

    You really need to restrict yourself to talking about subjects you know about.

    I was playing Warhammer in the late 80's, long before the first Warcraft game ever hit the market. If you had ever played the tabletop versions of Warhammer or Warhammer 40k, or subscribed to White Dwarf the similarites to Warcraft and Starcraft would be unmistakeable.

    Not that this is entirely a bad thing, after all, what most people think of for high fantasy can be tracked back directly to Tolkien. It's okay to evolve old ideas into new forms, just acknowledge that you did so.

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • DeathTrippDeathTripp Member UncommonPosts: 263

    Well, Warhammer has Orcs and Tyranids. So if anything you would think Warhammer orcs = orcs.... Not tyranids = orcs...

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  • Isamright33Isamright33 Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by Nightbringe1

    Originally posted by Isamright33
    I agree wtih you man, i think people trying to claim that warcraft online stole from warhammer universe is pretty stupid, it's like claiming that a game stole it's mechanics from a movie....or something considering warhammer came out after wow....


     



     

    You really need to restrict yourself to talking about subjects you know about.

    I was playing Warhammer in the late 80's, long before the first Warcraft game ever hit the market. If you had ever played the tabletop versions of Warhammer or Warhammer 40k, or subscribed to White Dwarf the similarites to Warcraft and Starcraft would be unmistakeable.

    Not that this is entirely a bad thing, after all, what most people think of for high fantasy can be tracked back directly to Tolkien. It's okay to evolve old ideas into new forms, just acknowledge that you did so.



     

    so now your claiming that computer games are similar to table top games? But the combat in wow is realtime....so there are 0 similarties because realtime is not turn based.

  • DeathTrippDeathTripp Member UncommonPosts: 263

    This is getting way off topic BUT.. if Games Workshop thought they had any claim to these concepts they would have sued the fuck out of Blizzard long ago.

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  • Isamright33Isamright33 Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by deathtripp


    Well, Warhammer has Orcs and Tyranids. So if anything you would think Warhammer orcs = orcs.... Not tyranids = orcs...



     

    so then the tyranids = shebob

     

    either way you can find a three to three correlation in anything, even the periodic table, the point is warhammer was not the first game to have aliens and marines in it, and warcraft didn't copy warhammer, it created off of it....huge difference, if they copied it then the names would be the same and the art would be the same, but as it stands right now, to me the art is different, and starcraft marines look way cooler than the warhammer marines...to each their own, but claiming one copied of the other is like saying cars are spaceships, illogical and unreal.

  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    Originally posted by Isamright33


    K man i'm going to make this simple for you

     
    space marines = space marines
    eldar = predator
    tyranids = aliens
    you see?
    or
    space marines = humans
    eldar = elves
    tyranids = orcs?
    do you need more proof that you are wrong?



     

    In 40k, Orks = Orcs. The Zerg are direct copies of the Tyranids, nearly everything is the same, appearance, tactics, origins, stealing of genetic material for evolutionary progress, etc......

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • Isamright33Isamright33 Member Posts: 60
    Originally posted by Nightbringe1

    Originally posted by Isamright33


    K man i'm going to make this simple for you

     
    space marines = space marines
    eldar = predator
    tyranids = aliens
    you see?
    or
    space marines = humans
    eldar = elves
    tyranids = orcs?
    do you need more proof that you are wrong?



     

    In 40k, Orks = Orcs. The Zerg are direct copies of the Tyranids, nearly everything is the same, appearance, tactics, origins, stealing of genetic material for evolutionary progress, etc......



     

    warhammer stole that idea from science then i guess becuase there are science fiction books written right after darwins time of stealing genetic material so i guess warhammer sucks cause it's a clone of shitty century old science fiction books. damn give up your life.

  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Nightbringe1

    Originally posted by Isamright33
    I agree wtih you man, i think people trying to claim that warcraft online stole from warhammer universe is pretty stupid, it's like claiming that a game stole it's mechanics from a movie....or something considering warhammer came out after wow....


     



     

    You really need to restrict yourself to talking about subjects you know about.

    I was playing Warhammer in the late 80's, long before the first Warcraft game ever hit the market. If you had ever played the tabletop versions of Warhammer or Warhammer 40k, or subscribed to White Dwarf the similarites to Warcraft and Starcraft would be unmistakeable.

    Not that this is entirely a bad thing, after all, what most people think of for high fantasy can be tracked back directly to Tolkien. It's okay to evolve old ideas into new forms, just acknowledge that you did so.

     

    guess that poor idiot thought that warhammer started its existance with Warhammer Online: Age of Reckoning

  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    Originally posted by Isamright33


     so now your claiming that computer games are similar to table top games? But the combat in wow is realtime....so there are 0 similarties because realtime is not turn based.



     

    Simply moving a game to a new medium, which results in a few changes in game mechanics, in no way changes the origins of the ideas.

    Or are you going to argue that D&D online is in no way related to AD&D because it is played in real time instead of with pen and paper?

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    Originally posted by Isamright33



    K man i'm going to make this simple for you

     

    space marines = space marines

    eldar = predator

    tyranids = aliens

    you see?

    or

    space marines = humans

    eldar = elves

    tyranids = orcs?

    do you need more proof that you are wrong?

     

    Your comparisons are incorrect, irrelevent at best, all works are derivatives, yes. I was referring to visual style, background and archetype, Anyone with eyeballs can see this.

    Your splitting hairs at this point, And you have no eyeballs.

     

     

    I mean, i could bring up that all RTS games are based on Tabletop war games, but, this would be a very petty and extreme dilution of the point of the current conversation. This is why i don't attempt to go to such extremes, its irrelevant to the point, or scope of the discussion.

     

    But Wow does owe its entire visuial style to its RTS games, and its RTS games are slightly modified versions of the Warhammer miniatures.

     

     

     

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  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864
    Originally posted by Isamright33


     
    so now your claiming that computer games are similar to table top games? But the combat in wow is realtime....so there are 0 similarties because realtime is not turn based.

     

    i rest my case

    this dude is more idiot than a rock

  • kawlkjakawlkja Member Posts: 352

    Are we still comparing chicken to chicken?

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    Originally posted by Isamright33





     

    so now your claiming that computer games are similar to table top games? But the combat in wow is realtime....so there are 0 similarties because realtime is not turn based.

     

    What part of we are talking about the IP, not the MMO, are you NOT getting?

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    How are you?" -Me

  • Nightbringe1Nightbringe1 Member UncommonPosts: 1,335
    Originally posted by Isamright33

    Originally posted by Nightbringe1

    Originally posted by Isamright33


    K man i'm going to make this simple for you

     
    space marines = space marines
    eldar = predator
    tyranids = aliens
    you see?
    or
    space marines = humans
    eldar = elves
    tyranids = orcs?
    do you need more proof that you are wrong?



     

    In 40k, Orks = Orcs. The Zerg are direct copies of the Tyranids, nearly everything is the same, appearance, tactics, origins, stealing of genetic material for evolutionary progress, etc......



     

    warhammer stole that idea from science then i guess becuase there are science fiction books written right after darwins time of stealing genetic material so i guess warhammer sucks cause it's a clone of shitty century old science fiction books. damn give up your life.



     

    Of course, you could have also copied my next paragraph, stating I don't have an issue with new games / stories borrowing ideas from prior works.

    But I doubt you bothered to read past the first item you disagreed with.

    The very obvious fact to any familiar with both ip's is that the Zerg don't just borrow one or two ideas, they are nearly exact copies.

    Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do.
    Benjamin Franklin

  • MrbloodworthMrbloodworth Member Posts: 5,615
    Originally posted by HDomni


    Are we still comparing chicken to chicken?

     

    Looks like.

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  • arcdevilarcdevil Member Posts: 864

    i dont know why anyone bothers arguing with Isamright33 .

    someone who thinks that the script of a movie and the movie are absolutly different things, not related to each other at all, becouse one is in paper and the other is images in motion, have serious mental issues

  • SpoonpottSpoonpott Member Posts: 180

    Ugh, this argument again... Who cares what they were influenced by/ripped off. Whatever happens, lets hope they deliver a quality MMO. As long as they follow a different formula than WoW, I'm sure we're in for a treat. I'm not saying WoW is necessarly bad(I dont think it is), but blizz has the reputation for taking something already done, and perfecting it. Lets hope they can pull this off with the sandbox genre.

    The rules of Debate are really simple; once you have to stoop to insults instead of facts, logic, or reason to try and win your argument, you've lost.

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