Just going to say this to get it off my chest, plain and simple none of your hardware specs and shit matter. In 6 months your shit will be obsolete to begin with so why pay so much $ for bragging rights? Right now my specs are as follows. AMD Phenom II X4 940 Processor @3.0ghz stock (No game utilizes this, dual cores are on the newest of games and few at that) ATI Radeon Sapphire HD 4870 1GB @ stock speeds runs everything at highest of settings besides Crysis. (Which no one can unless maybe you run 3 - 4 Graphics cards lol, according to tomshardware.) Kingston Hyper-X 1066 DDR 2x2GB Memory Audigy Soundblaster 4 Pro Soundcard Plays as much as I need to hear and all I could ask for. PC Power & Cooling 750W Peak @ ;825W Continuous Power 80+ Certified XClio Supertower Case Asrock A780 mobo. This system plays anything I could ever ask it to and only costed me $819.02. I don't need bragging rights, I need a computer that will play what I need it to and this will play everything to date on Highest, even Crysis as long as AA is off. Why fight over something this stupid? The only thing that I can say about both either side is that AMD is cheaper hands down. I can't stand the whole i7 and the hype around it when you don't even utilize that shit. Another thing I can't stand are overclockers, wth are you overclocking for when you already run things on max settings? Dear god people, I don't think I need to remind you that you are lucky to even have what you got. Leave it at that. Intel, Nvidia, ATI, AMD, all have their strong points and weaknesses but one thing is for sure, they both get the job done, so why be involved in a retarded war of who has the best? I think the i7 920 is decently priced but just can't compete in terms of price with AMD providing their Quad Cores at $189.99 lol and the new 955 AM3 3.2Ghz processor at $249.99? (Newegg Price). It's almost $100 more for an intel i7 processor that I wouldn't even use to begin with. I think without AMD/ATI/Nvidias I would find it hard upgrading to a good machine. They all have good products and so does intel, I just think that Intel puts a little bit too much of an over price on their products I mean $1,000 for a processor? Seriously? No thanks, I'll stick to my good ole AMD :P. In closing, buy what you need to get you through, I am 99.9% sure I will not have to upgrade for the next 2 - 3 years, gaming products are just now starting to use multi-core units, it'll take them another 2 years to start dynamically as a standard trying to use Quad Cores. The only thing I can actually see me investing in is a graphics card, and those I don't mind spending $200 - $300 on a good one. The only reason I would do that is because of the new DX11 cards coming out and even that will take a while to start utilizing in games, they are still trying to implement DX10 at decent frame rates (Age of Conan) for example. So, I may not even have to invest in one of those for a few years. Just depends I guess. (This entire post is part of my opinion, not meant to flame, I just want a serious answer as to why people fight over things that aren't utilized.) As awkward as it sounds I like mxing AMD/Nvidia, it just seems to work decently for me lol. Only switched to ATI to test out the 4870 and I got to say I'm impressed as to how well it's done. Still love Nvidia though ^_^.
i agree with the first part of this post...
But a few comments where not on the ball
I got my i7 920 for 220$ and i think the leading edge AMD is $249 where is this $100?
Also you answered the Overclocking question with your Price/performance statement..
An Overclocker can Take a Cheaper chip and OC it to the value of a higher end chip....
And just said you cant play your all your games at max. with AA on.. An Overclock would help that.
Not adding even 2x AA? AA and A high Rez are what makes your game look better... The Main Diffrence Bettween a PC and A Xbox Is that PS3 and XboX cant handle AA or High rez...so if your running games with out AA or high Rez you debunked your Argument by Paying more for a PC. when you could have just got a Console..Price/performance(unless PC games that dont make it to a console is your pref)
there is always room to Grow in a System...even thou i can run games at Max, does not mean the extra power i have goes unused....Running Mulit apps and points in a game, that just Crush a system.....A little OC can give you the room to Move around freely.
When it comes down to it....I can buy a Chevy Truck and get my job done....But some of us want to get that job Done in style...A Chevy SS. that has the extra power that i "could" use if i need it.
Other than that, Yes PC hardware Outdates itself and it a war we can never win....
And are you saying Physx are not utilized?
or GPU's doing A CPU's job not utilized?
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
I'm sorry, is that^^ english? I have already proven you wrong, if you cannot see this, then you are hopeless. More than several people have also given you the answer and sent you the correct information. If you are unable to study information that not part of marketing hype, then I can see why you keep failing to grasp these facts. Probably why you are such an emotional ball of obcentities, defending yourself all the time. Though, I have to admit it is funny watching you struggle with this subject, because you were so sure of yourself when you were quoting marketing hype.... lol llol (though it is always the same with fanbois)
Maybe you haven't understood the meaning of the word PROVE...
Proving something is not done by just making a statement...
you have to show some evidence.....
Are you back to capping on Grammar...Didn't we have this convo..?
Quoting Marketing Hype?....I guess you missed the success story by a real company, using A GPU to do data crunching....
"Utilizing the Tesla™ technology, the National Cancer Institute completed its cancer medical research calculations 12 times faster than with traditional x86 based servers. The research results can now be accumulated in 10 minutes as opposed to 2 hours".
(this is the funniest one yet.. yes The National Cancer Institute is helping Nvidia complete the Death Star... to sham the world into Nividas's marketing plans...lol or maybe the National Cancer Institute is a marketing ploy, useing dieng kids to futher Nvidia's grip on the Galaxy..)
and many more companys....
Are you still on the Physx point...When we are talking about GPUS AND CPUS?
Well i guess that you Sidesteped that whole you think there is a conspiracy with Nvidia, and Me and Sir drip are Mods for MMORPG? Care to inlighten us with Comments, that have something to do with how you came to that point?????
you keep sidesteping your Rambles.. If somone can beleave that there is a conspiracy to F with you, bettween Mods And members. At the same time think that Nvidia is out to get everone....it forms a pattern of Paranoia..
Which would make all sane people second guess your statements..... If you trully Beleave this... Post some Sources besides hersay....
You do realize bettween the times you Run to the Mods Snitching on us.... that people ARE reading what u have worte...Full of emotional balls of obcentities, defending yourself all the time...... you do realize this right....
Or is that Also a Conspiracy too?
IM not talking about physx in the OP. Your taking a Post from another thread, that I stated what games have Physics... If thats what you want to debate, state the Subject first, so somone knows what your talking about.
If you going to Debate get on the Same subject...and Quit posting BS Knowing people will not read that far back, to see if your Full of it or not....
You want to debate... PIck a Subject..
Find a Post with a "Sentance" where i said something, and Quote it....Then we can Debate....
Otherwise......
As stated before
You keep posting Comments made by Sir drip and are putting them in my mouth.....
You realize there are 2 different people with the Same sig right?
Your having a temper tantrum...
you have gone off the deep end...
You think Intel Nvidia is a Conspiracy
And Me and Sir Drip are Mods for MMORPG.
And Everyone is out to get You and ATI....
you have lost all touch with reality, because I made you look foolish About correcting my grammar with bad grammar. and you snapped
So you made a second Profile to mess with me.
This is funny watching a middle aged man brake down on the Internet.....
IF i was this foolish kid that you say i am....why are your split personalities....Fighting with me?
You are By far the funniest person i have met on the Internet....
And you justify all the nagging my wife gives me for being on the PC all the time..lol
And you think that if you keep pushing me, you will get me to respond harshly so i will get banned...
Funny How you think that your Mature....
*rolls eyes*
It's incredibly funny that you have not correlated the topic of this thread, to also include in-game physics, because GPGPU is comming. Not 3 years from now, but within 5-7 months.
You reply is an utter mess and doesn't expound on your claims, idea or theories and is just more drival. Not to mention, you personal attacks are weak and I hope you don't think your childish comebacks are wity... rotfl !
Secondly, (if you have actually read my posts) you will see that I do not have to prove anything. I and many other have already given you the proof you need, If you are too lazy to look up and study the underlying reason why CPU based middleware like Havok and OpenGL are superior to Nvidia's PhysX, then you just futher illustrate how helpless you really are. No wonder why you are influenced by marketing, you're a dolt!
You don't have the skills to rebuttal my comments, therefor I predict more of the same drival and emotional banter.
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When I was on Newegg, the i7 920 was $288.99, and my 940 cost me $189.99, that's what I was getting at, not quite $100 gap but enough to say the AMD gets the job done knowing I wouldn't need the i7. Price/Performance is what I was looking for and the 5 star reviews didn't hurt it. I don't want bragging rights I want something that will play what I want it to. My machine does so flawlessly, I feel I made a great decision.
That's where I got my comparison from on the $100 remark, they released the 955 like a week before my purchase and before I even had realized it. So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know.
Also I did say that I could play ALL games on max as of right now, just not Crysis unless I turn AA off (which isn't a big deal for me). Crysis still looks beautiful and I can play FarCry 2 Flawlessly and UT3 with no hitches/lag whatsoever on max settings with AA turned on.
The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm. Pretty soon our motherboards/graphics cards will be so integrated that yeah, a GPU can and will end up doing a CPU's job and in the future you may see graphics cards with processors big enough to do everything you need to in a game while freeing you your central CPU on your motherboard to open 50x applications and still have no lag. If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released? Just like people will bitch about games not having DX11 when the cards are released when a majority of them don't even have DX10 implemented and if they do (Age of Conan) they don't run at a stable FPS rate.
So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. The only thing you win is a one way stop to disappointment land when all over your current hardware becomes old and outdated. Then you end up in the same old rut with people saying "I'm better than you because I can afford to be!" E-Peen'd rich kids.
Damn that didn't take long. Faster than I had expected. Kudos to the mod for not deleting anything though. Okay, time to throw a few sticks in the fire. The ATI equivalent of CUDA is called Stream. They both basically do the same, which is providing a general purpose processing architecture for their GPUs. Both probably have their seperate low level and high level API readily available for developers to use. Here is the catch, both CUDA and Stream support or plan support for interfacing the OpenCL API. So if developers choose to use OpenCL both ATI and nVidia users will be able to use what ever product they are making. As in regards to rule 3 and 4, this is proven. You can basically find all what I just said on the developers site or wikipedia(i know, can be false information, but it's true in this case) So when looking in the future the games will still support both ATI and nVidia. Of course nVidia will probably like now try to give money to developers integrating their own API in some effects, which then like now enhance the experience in someway(like in Mirrors Edge where glass shatter more correctly). Both general purpose processing will be done by both sides, and game critical physics is going to use unified API, which is OpenCL. That is, of course, unless one side can pay publishers enough money to cover for the lose of huge market group, which would be the the other side. So as I've said before, I don't find PhysX interesting right now at least. What you gain from it is miniscule. I mean, I played Mirrors Edge through and if the glass had shattered more realistically I probably wouldn't have noticed it. So what I'm saying is right now I can't see the reason for buying nVidia alone for PhysX. Of course, if you prefer their drivers, the price/performance is the same, PhysX would only be a bonus. FFS, now I got in the thread. But please do as the mod say and keep it civil.
i Said I agree with ATI & Nvidia working with Physics on together.
You are adding me And Sir Drip together on alot of issues, my OP is a little diffrent than his....
ALL i stated was. Someone ATI fan Said"
"Dont go Nvidia cause there are only 3 games, that have working PhysX."...
So i showed people that there are over 40. Some of the biggest titles this year , will have them......
The Fact that many of you have Said " I can't see the reason for buying nVidia alone for PhysX"
I never said that I... Sir_Drip may have.
WE BOUGHT NVIDIA For their Power/support /And OC ablity, and have use them before they had physics...
The PhysX driver is just a extra bouns
Your all hung up on that.?
Also you played one Broke game?
All the fighting we have done... you Say PhysX are nothing after one game that was broke.....?
Ever watch mythbusters.?
How do they Test things, and get data?
With a Control, and many diffrent samples. and run the numbers..... to get a real Data
Its funny cause i asked all of you about 15 times to what games have you played with physX.... (50 post and 2 weeks later)
Now i get one answer... You played "ONE" PhysX enabled game.....
Im sorry but that is crazy...
All of this..... and all of your Debate ammo is on ONE game.
One game defiens All physX?
You have to admit , that is beyond all sorts of reason.
PS: jack.... did you See that guy up there and the Nuts falling out of his head....lol Man you though i was bad...
Mate I'm not attacking your opinions. I know that you agree on ATi and nVidia working together on physics. I'm simply stating my opinion of the physics competition as it is right now, since we were on the subject of CUDA. I've played many games including PhysX, and I've never felt anything was lacking or poorly made in any of them. Here's the list of physx games I've played:
AA
BiA:HH
Cryostasis
EE3
Frontlines:FoW
GoW
Gothic 3
Grid
JTF
Mass Effect
MoH:Airborne
Mirrors Edge
Rise of Legends
Graw 1
Graw 2
R6 : Vegas
SC:DA
UT3
I know the GRAW games use Physx for more realistic rendering of vehicle debris.... it's so rare you come across vehicles, and they already look just fine without it... honestly I'm not sure I'd even see the difference. I also think Gothic 3 has some higher density particle effects but that's that. I've never read of Physx being used more than to enhance certain effects. If know of such games, I'd like to know, cause it would be interesting to see the difference if it was bigger, in order to see things that are comming in the future. I'm not trying to an ass here putting down PhysX without reason, but I simply haven't seen a game yet where it is a must to have in my opinion. Physx is of course just a bonus for nVidia users now, but as stated, I can't see it being the only reason to buy nVidia(And I know that's not why you bought nVidia). But if you were going to buy the nvidia card anyways, then it's of course only a bonus it is there. Agreed.
For the games I don't know what it does I clearly didn't it miss and to be frank some of the games don't even warrent for it. Cryostasis is an extremely linear tight quarters game with little physics where the beauty lies in the art. Mass Effect is a most static rpg where you have rag dolls. I'm guessing enhanced particles. Actually that's what I'm guessing in most of the games, since that's mostly what they'd be able to change. But again, please, if you know of a game where it has a bigger importance, post please. I'd sincerely like to know.
When I was on Newegg, the i7 920 was $288.99, and my 940 cost me $189.99, that's what I was getting at, not quite $100 gap but enough to say the AMD gets the job done knowing I wouldn't need the i7. Price/Performance is what I was looking for and the 5 star reviews didn't hurt it. I don't want bragging rights I want something that will play what I want it to. My machine does so flawlessly, I feel I made a great decision.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (i7 920 $288.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471 (Phenom II 940 $189.99) That's where I got my comparison from on the $100 remark, they released the 955 like a week before my purchase and before I even had realized it. So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know. Also I did say that I could play ALL games on max as of right now, just not Crysis unless I turn AA off (which isn't a big deal for me). Crysis still looks beautiful and I can play FarCry 2 Flawlessly and UT3 with no hitches/lag whatsoever on max settings with AA turned on. The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm. Pretty soon our motherboards/graphics cards will be so integrated that yeah, a GPU can and will end up doing a CPU's job and in the future you may see graphics cards with processors big enough to do everything you need to in a game while freeing you your central CPU on your motherboard to open 50x applications and still have no lag. If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released? Just like people will bitch about games not having DX11 when the cards are released when a majority of them don't even have DX10 implemented and if they do (Age of Conan) they don't run at a stable FPS rate. So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. The only thing you win is a one way stop to disappointment land when all over your current hardware becomes old and outdated. Then you end up in the same old rut with people saying "I'm better than you because I can afford to be!" E-Peen'd rich kids.
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
Even a simple game like Vanguard have this "ragdoll" physics on some of the mobs. You already know that physics in a game was not invented by PhysX.
There is alot of games that already have a "random kind of" physics in them but people don't realize it.
When I was on Newegg, the i7 920 was $288.99, and my 940 cost me $189.99, that's what I was getting at, not quite $100 gap but enough to say the AMD gets the job done knowing I wouldn't need the i7. Price/Performance is what I was looking for and the 5 star reviews didn't hurt it. I don't want bragging rights I want something that will play what I want it to. My machine does so flawlessly, I feel I made a great decision.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (i7 920 $288.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471 (Phenom II 940 $189.99) That's where I got my comparison from on the $100 remark, they released the 955 like a week before my purchase and before I even had realized it. So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know. Also I did say that I could play ALL games on max as of right now, just not Crysis unless I turn AA off (which isn't a big deal for me). Crysis still looks beautiful and I can play FarCry 2 Flawlessly and UT3 with no hitches/lag whatsoever on max settings with AA turned on. The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm. Pretty soon our motherboards/graphics cards will be so integrated that yeah, a GPU can and will end up doing a CPU's job and in the future you may see graphics cards with processors big enough to do everything you need to in a game while freeing you your central CPU on your motherboard to open 50x applications and still have no lag. If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released? Just like people will bitch about games not having DX11 when the cards are released when a majority of them don't even have DX10 implemented and if they do (Age of Conan) they don't run at a stable FPS rate. So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. The only thing you win is a one way stop to disappointment land when all over your current hardware becomes old and outdated. Then you end up in the same old rut with people saying "I'm better than you because I can afford to be!" E-Peen'd rich kids.
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
I think you are taking my post offensively on purpose now. I am saying that it is bragging rights to have a top end (SUPER system). My rig as you seen earlier puts me in a comfortable state to where I should be comfortable for a long time, problem is I am not getting the point across that not everyone can afford to upgrade every year. I'm not saying that you are a rich kid or whatever you think I'm saying. I just said that at the time of purchase I saved $100 going with my 940 then spending it on a i7 920 and still being able to top out on everything comfortably to my satisfaction.
Flat out it DOES have to do with being rich if you are going out and upgrading every year and dishing out $1500 - $5000 on a computer. Paying $500 for a great graphics card just released x's however many you buy, paying another $300 for an awesome mobo, and $500 - $1,000 for the lead intel processors, $200 - $400+ for added on sound/PhysX cards, any extras you can fit into your motherboard etc..etc... That's what I was saying about being rich and getting all the realistic perks you can shove into your mobo for a more realistic gaming experience.
About the people bitching, when don't they? Flat out lol. I guarantee you when these DX11 comes out people will bitch mainly those who can buy the $500 - $1,000 graphics card when they are first released, that games don't utilize them lol. Just watch and see, they'll cry about it. I've played enough games to tell you that much, if things aren't perfect people get a mental meltdown of some sorts. Just like you are trying to deliberately offend me. When I am just explaining to you I see no lines other than upgrading at a reasonable price and still having a top end machine. (The even more probable reason for bitching about DX 11 is that since no games yet utilize it they can't test their cards full power, and when DX11 is finally released full blown, their cards may not run it so smoothly and they'll have to upgrade it again for a card that does work DX11 flawlessly.) Not saying that will ALWAYS happen, just saying it's more probably than not. Someone will bitch about it.
Those features that would be awesome for you to have, may not be for me and vice versa. I don't see the big deal. Maybe that makes me crazy? I don't know. You need to stop being so jumpy though. Take a chill pill and relax, the world won't explode just because I don't see the big deal in PhysX and with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded and regardless of what you tell me that is exactly why they do it. It makes them feel good and they brag about it in all their games/forum signatures and any other way they can rub it in your face. Those people my friend is who I was talking about. NOT YOU, if that makes you feel any better.
BASICALLY why buy a super computer when your only going to use 1/4th - 2/4th of it. I use it for gaming and at least 2 of my 4 cores are not utilized. That was what I was trying to get across, and it had nothing to do with you having an i7 or me having an AMD. Both are good for what they do, and I was in no intentions flaming you, I was just using them as a comparison in price/peformance. It irks me to no end how people are so hypocritical and gotta go online to raise their E-Peens to do nothing more than raise their ego. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you anymore as to what I'm trying to say. If you don't get what I'm saying this time it's no use talking to you if you aren't going to get my main points; Without somehow interpreting them as I have an evil meaning behind it.
EDIT: The reason I say PhysX cards and such is because to my knowledge after researching Nvidia has the PhysX and not Radeons. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know you will. Peace.
When I was on Newegg, the i7 920 was $288.99, and my 940 cost me $189.99, that's what I was getting at, not quite $100 gap but enough to say the AMD gets the job done knowing I wouldn't need the i7. Price/Performance is what I was looking for and the 5 star reviews didn't hurt it. I don't want bragging rights I want something that will play what I want it to. My machine does so flawlessly, I feel I made a great decision.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (i7 920 $288.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471 (Phenom II 940 $189.99) That's where I got my comparison from on the $100 remark, they released the 955 like a week before my purchase and before I even had realized it. So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know. Also I did say that I could play ALL games on max as of right now, just not Crysis unless I turn AA off (which isn't a big deal for me). Crysis still looks beautiful and I can play FarCry 2 Flawlessly and UT3 with no hitches/lag whatsoever on max settings with AA turned on. The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm. Pretty soon our motherboards/graphics cards will be so integrated that yeah, a GPU can and will end up doing a CPU's job and in the future you may see graphics cards with processors big enough to do everything you need to in a game while freeing you your central CPU on your motherboard to open 50x applications and still have no lag. If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released? Just like people will bitch about games not having DX11 when the cards are released when a majority of them don't even have DX10 implemented and if they do (Age of Conan) they don't run at a stable FPS rate. So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. The only thing you win is a one way stop to disappointment land when all over your current hardware becomes old and outdated. Then you end up in the same old rut with people saying "I'm better than you because I can afford to be!" E-Peen'd rich kids.
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
I think you are taking my post offensively on purpose now. I am saying that it is bragging rights to have a top end (SUPER system). My rig as you seen earlier puts me in a comfortable state to where I should be comfortable for a long time, problem is I am not getting the point across that not everyone can afford to upgrade every year. I'm not saying that you are a rich kid or whatever you think I'm saying. I just said that at the time of purchase I saved $100 going with my 940 then spending it on a i7 920 and still being able to top out on everything comfortably to my satisfaction.
Flat out it DOES have to do with being rich if you are going out and upgrading every year and dishing out $1500 - $5000 on a computer. Paying $500 for a great graphics card just released x's however many you buy, paying another $300 for an awesome mobo, and $500 - $1,000 for the lead intel processors, $200 - $400+ for added on sound/PhysX cards, any extras you can fit into your motherboard etc..etc... That's what I was saying about being rich and getting all the realistic perks you can shove into your mobo for a more realistic gaming experience.
About the people bitching, when don't they? Flat out lol. I guarantee you when these DX11 comes out people will bitch mainly those who can buy the $500 - $1,000 graphics card when they are first released, that games don't utilize them lol. Just watch and see, they'll cry about it. I've played enough games to tell you that much, if things aren't perfect people get a mental meltdown of some sorts. Just like you are trying to deliberately offend me. When I am just explaining to you I see no lines other than upgrading at a reasonable price and still having a top end machine. (The even more probable reason for bitching about DX 11 is that since no games yet utilize it they can't test their cards full power, and when DX11 is finally released full blown, their cards may not run it so smoothly and they'll have to upgrade it again for a card that does work DX11 flawlessly.) Not saying that will ALWAYS happen, just saying it's more probably than not. Someone will bitch about it.
Those features that would be awesome for you to have, may not be for me and vice versa. I don't see the big deal. Maybe that makes me crazy? I don't know. You need to stop being so jumpy though. Take a chill pill and relax, the world won't explode just because I don't see the big deal in PhysX and with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded and regardless of what you tell me that is exactly why they do it. It makes them feel good and they brag about it in all their games/forum signatures and any other way they can rub it in your face. Those people my friend is who I was talking about. NOT YOU, if that makes you feel any better.
BASICALLY why buy a super computer when your only going to use 1/4th - 2/4th of it. I use it for gaming and at least 2 of my 4 cores are not utilized. That was what I was trying to get across, and it had nothing to do with you having an i7 or me having an AMD. Both are good for what they do, and I was in no intentions flaming you, I was just using them as a comparison in price/peformance. It irks me to no end how people are so hypocritical and gotta go online to raise their E-Peens to do nothing more than raise their ego. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you anymore as to what I'm trying to say. If you don't get what I'm saying this time it's no use talking to you if you aren't going to get my main points; Without somehow interpreting them as I have an evil meaning behind it.
EDIT: The reason I say PhysX cards and such is because to my knowledge after researching Nvidia has the PhysX and not Radeons. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know you will. Peace.
"with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded"
you realize i have this system your talking about...I agree with almost every part of your statements... i was just trying to understand what i thought you were saying.
And what in my post offeneded you?. I asked you a few questions.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
Even a simple game like Vanguard have this "ragdoll" physics on some of the mobs. You already know that physics in a game was not invented by PhysX.
There is alot of games that already have a "random kind of" physics in them but people don't realize it.
I understand that. it was just a point of Progress in Gaming Graphics.... but most are still scripted
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good?
even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
When I was on Newegg, the i7 920 was $288.99, and my 940 cost me $189.99, that's what I was getting at, not quite $100 gap but enough to say the AMD gets the job done knowing I wouldn't need the i7. Price/Performance is what I was looking for and the 5 star reviews didn't hurt it. I don't want bragging rights I want something that will play what I want it to. My machine does so flawlessly, I feel I made a great decision.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (i7 920 $288.99) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471 (Phenom II 940 $189.99) That's where I got my comparison from on the $100 remark, they released the 955 like a week before my purchase and before I even had realized it. So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know. Also I did say that I could play ALL games on max as of right now, just not Crysis unless I turn AA off (which isn't a big deal for me). Crysis still looks beautiful and I can play FarCry 2 Flawlessly and UT3 with no hitches/lag whatsoever on max settings with AA turned on. The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm. Pretty soon our motherboards/graphics cards will be so integrated that yeah, a GPU can and will end up doing a CPU's job and in the future you may see graphics cards with processors big enough to do everything you need to in a game while freeing you your central CPU on your motherboard to open 50x applications and still have no lag. If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released? Just like people will bitch about games not having DX11 when the cards are released when a majority of them don't even have DX10 implemented and if they do (Age of Conan) they don't run at a stable FPS rate. So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. The only thing you win is a one way stop to disappointment land when all over your current hardware becomes old and outdated. Then you end up in the same old rut with people saying "I'm better than you because I can afford to be!" E-Peen'd rich kids.
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
I think you are taking my post offensively on purpose now. I am saying that it is bragging rights to have a top end (SUPER system). My rig as you seen earlier puts me in a comfortable state to where I should be comfortable for a long time, problem is I am not getting the point across that not everyone can afford to upgrade every year. I'm not saying that you are a rich kid or whatever you think I'm saying. I just said that at the time of purchase I saved $100 going with my 940 then spending it on a i7 920 and still being able to top out on everything comfortably to my satisfaction.
Flat out it DOES have to do with being rich if you are going out and upgrading every year and dishing out $1500 - $5000 on a computer. Paying $500 for a great graphics card just released x's however many you buy, paying another $300 for an awesome mobo, and $500 - $1,000 for the lead intel processors, $200 - $400+ for added on sound/PhysX cards, any extras you can fit into your motherboard etc..etc... That's what I was saying about being rich and getting all the realistic perks you can shove into your mobo for a more realistic gaming experience.
About the people bitching, when don't they? Flat out lol. I guarantee you when these DX11 comes out people will bitch mainly those who can buy the $500 - $1,000 graphics card when they are first released, that games don't utilize them lol. Just watch and see, they'll cry about it. I've played enough games to tell you that much, if things aren't perfect people get a mental meltdown of some sorts. Just like you are trying to deliberately offend me. When I am just explaining to you I see no lines other than upgrading at a reasonable price and still having a top end machine. (The even more probable reason for bitching about DX 11 is that since no games yet utilize it they can't test their cards full power, and when DX11 is finally released full blown, their cards may not run it so smoothly and they'll have to upgrade it again for a card that does work DX11 flawlessly.) Not saying that will ALWAYS happen, just saying it's more probably than not. Someone will bitch about it.
Those features that would be awesome for you to have, may not be for me and vice versa. I don't see the big deal. Maybe that makes me crazy? I don't know. You need to stop being so jumpy though. Take a chill pill and relax, the world won't explode just because I don't see the big deal in PhysX and with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded and regardless of what you tell me that is exactly why they do it. It makes them feel good and they brag about it in all their games/forum signatures and any other way they can rub it in your face. Those people my friend is who I was talking about. NOT YOU, if that makes you feel any better.
BASICALLY why buy a super computer when your only going to use 1/4th - 2/4th of it. I use it for gaming and at least 2 of my 4 cores are not utilized. That was what I was trying to get across, and it had nothing to do with you having an i7 or me having an AMD. Both are good for what they do, and I was in no intentions flaming you, I was just using them as a comparison in price/peformance. It irks me to no end how people are so hypocritical and gotta go online to raise their E-Peens to do nothing more than raise their ego. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you anymore as to what I'm trying to say. If you don't get what I'm saying this time it's no use talking to you if you aren't going to get my main points; Without somehow interpreting them as I have an evil meaning behind it.
EDIT: The reason I say PhysX cards and such is because to my knowledge after researching Nvidia has the PhysX and not Radeons. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know you will. Peace.
"with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded"
you realize i have this system your talking about...I agree with almost every part of your statements... i was just trying to understand what i thought you were saying.
And what in my post offeneded you?. I asked you a few questions.
It just seemed like you were posting aggressively towards me. I might've taken it the wrong way it just seemed that way. If you can afford systems like that that's awesome, just not everyone can so don't rub it in their face(Not that you do, because you most probably don't). You seem to be doing it for the right reason instead of just an up in your face I'm better than you kinda deal. By Rich Kid I meant exactly that a "Kid" who leeches off of mommy and daddy to go online and tell everyone they are better because their computer costed $3 ka drillion dollars and yours didn't lol. I'm just like okay wtf? I don't care mine runs everything to date on max, I could care less if your running at 200 FPS or not :P. Anyway take care, I was just here to post my 2C worth on why I think comparing hardware to boost self-centric egotistic persons is complete and total mental retardation.
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
I have not watched your linked videos at this point. But I think we can (atleast) agree on that physics looks good.
And so I assume that physics looks good in those videos aswell. But have anyone really argued that it do not?
The point being linking those videos, my videos, was that the solution is not only PhysX, as you are also recognizing. And despite lack of PhysX support there are means to add physics into a game.
What does that leave us?
Will PhysX be the one and only solution to physics?
Will the eventuall lack of PhysX support in a game leave NVIDIA card out of luck, as in they will be able to have physics in that particular game?
Ofourse think "no" on both those answers. (So please sir_ drip don't go misquoting and saying that I do.).
That leaves us, amongst other things, the choice of the game developer. Like Microsoft Game Studios that are meaning to implement Havok into their games. I'm quite shure that developers will make physics availble on both ATI and NVIDIA otherwise they will end up neglecting at this point 33% on that segment of the PC gaming market.*
Either it will be done that NVIDIA will release PhysX so that ATI will take their share into it. Game developers will use more than one API/accelerator when they develope. Or they will use their own solution.
* A quick calculation on that. I gave NVIDIA 40% and ATI 20% of the total GPU market. In this case that 60% makes up for that total, 100%, market. As this discussion evolves alot around NVIDIA vs ATI. That number is assumingly including all kind of graphical solutions. As a side note it would be interesting to see the numbers more divided into the higher end, not including passive cards and so on.
Anyway.
Of that total NVIDIA have 66,7% and ATI 33,3%.
Newer and more accurate number can be contributed.
On the hardware side it is a very close race, but I prefer Nvidia because ATIs drivers are not that good.
A Nvidia card usually works in all games without any tweaking, ATI needs work to do what it is supposed to do, and it have been so for many years. If ATI fixed this issue I would consider buying it, the prices and hardware is very good but no card is better than it's drivers.
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
I dont care if its In-game physics or Nvidia Physx! Nvidia Cards are going to play both the way they were ment to be played! ATI will not have Nvidia Physx for a long time! So.... ANY game that comes out, for the rest of this year and prolly the next, If you purchased a Nvidia card It's a Win win! ATi is shit out of luck! I dont mind paying an exrta $20 bucks for a card over the other manufacture, as long as I can play ALL games the way they were ment to be PLAYED! Sad part is that all you that purchased ATI and saved $20.00 can not! You got ripped off for saving 20 bucks! LOL! And even if it was 20 bucks more ontop of that, The Nvidia Driver support is worth 20 bucks alone!
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
did anyone else understand AT ALL what this this guy is talking about.....?
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
show me how i filp floped? quote a statement that i filp floped...or STFU
Really, still acting like a potty mouth little boy? Why so abrasive?
I did show you.. that is why I QUOTED you. Please read your first two sentences, you are clearly conceding my point and flip flopped from your Nvidia marketing hype.
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
show me how i filp floped? quote a statement that i filp floped...or STFU
Really, still acting like a potty mouth little boy? Why so abrasive?
I did show you.. that is why I QUOTED you. Please read your first two sentences, you are clearly conceding my point and flip flopped from your Nvidia marketing hype.
did you not watch this.. ?
Something i posted....
how is this flip floping? you would have to post a Quote that i didnt say this before.....
i will come back to this in a hour or so im going back to gaming...while you can look shit up....
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
"Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself..."
IF your stateing that the games have there own Physics..... and do not benefit from PhysX
what is this then? IF your debating me for any other reason ....i have no idea what you are talking about and nobody eles know either.....
and be "WE" you mean the 2 profiles you have Anvil theroy....
this is my OP that you are debating me on
.
Someone said PhysX were pointless.... Gaming companys rarely use them...
they Said not to buy Nvidia Go ATI.....(in Short)
Yea i will be Staying with Nvidia
Below is a partial listing of current and upcoming AGEIA PhysX-accelerated titles available for PC and console owners alike. PC titles can take advantage of the PhysX Accelerator to provide an enhanced gaming experience.
Titles i think are worth buying Nvidia are in RED but thats just me...
ALL GAMES ON THIS LIST HAVE PHYSX
Game Title Developer Platform
2 Days to Vegas Steel Monkeys PC
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour Gaijin Entertainment PC
Age of Empires III Distineer Studios PC, Mac
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs Distineer Studios Mac
Alpha Prime Black Element Software PC
Auto Assault Net Devil PC
Backbreaker Natural Motion TBA
B.A.S.E. Jumping Digital Dimension Development PC
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Beowulf Ubisoft PS3, X360
Captain Blood Akella PC, X360
Cellfactor: Combat Training Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Cellfactor: Revolution Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Crazy Machines II FAKT Software PC
Cryostasis Action Forms PC
Dark Physics The Game Creators PC
Desert Diner Tarsier Studios PC
Dragonshard Atari PC
Dusk 12 Orion PC
Empire Above All IceHill PC
Empire Earth III Mad Dog Software PC
Fury Auran Games PC
Gears Of War Epic Games PC, X360
Gluk'Oza: Action GFI Russia PC
Gothic 3 Piranha Bytes PC
Gunship Apocalypse FAKT Software PC
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream PC
Hunt, The Orion PC
Infernal Metropolis Software PC
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power Orion PC
Joint Task Force Most Wanted Entertainment PC
KumaWAR Kuma Reality Games PC
Magic ball 3 Alawar Entertaiment PC
Mass Effect BioWare PC, X360
Medal of Honor: Airborne EA Los Angeles PC, X360
Metro 2033 4A Games PC
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia Artificial Studios PC, X360
Monster Truck Maniax Legendo Entertainment PC
Myst Online: URU Live Cyan Worlds PC
Open Fire BlueTorch Studios PC
Paragraph 78 Gaijin Entertainment PC
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Akella PC
Rail Simulator Kuju Entertainment Ltd PC
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends Big Huge Games PC
Roboblitz Naked Sky Entertainment PC, X360
Sacred 2 ASCARON Entertainment PC
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened Frogwares Game Development Studio PC
Showdown: Scorpion B-COOL Interactive PC
Silverfall Monte Cristo PC
Sovereign Symphony Ceidot Game Studios PC
Speedball 2 Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Stalin Subway, The Orion PC
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien Bongfish Interactive Entertainment PC
Switchball Atomic Elbow PC
Tension Ice-pick Lodge PC
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter GRIN PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 GRIN, Ubisoft Paris PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft Montreal PC, PS3, X360
Rigid body physics system supporting player interaction with physical game objects, ragdoll character animation, complex vehicles, and dismemberable objects.
Cloth simulation.
Soft body simulation.
'Physical Material' system that allows per-object or per-surface properties such as friction, sounds and effects.
Physics-driven sound.
Fully integrated support for physics-based vehicles, including player control, AI, and networking.
Gameplay-driven physical animation – capable of driving physics based on animation, and blending the results in many ways.
Unreal PhAT, the visual physics modeling tool built into UnrealEd that supports creation of optimized collision primitives for models and skeletal animated meshes; constraint editing; and interactive physics simulation and tweaking in-editor.
Fracture tool in UnrealEd allows you to take a mesh and break it into pieces.
CryENGINE® 3 is the first Xbox 360™, PlayStation® 3, MMO, DX9 and DX10 all-in-one game development solution that is next-gen ready – with scalable computation and graphics technologies. With CryENGINE® 3 you can start the development of your next generation games today. CryENGINE® 3 is the only solution that provides multi-award winning graphics, physics and AI out of the box. The complete game engine suite includes the famous CryENGINE® 3 Sandbox™ editor, a production-proven, 3rd generation tool suite designed and built by AAA developers. CryENGINE® 3 delivers everything you need to create your AAA games.
•Integrated Multi-threaded High Performance Physics Engine
CryENGINE® 3 physics can be applied to almost everything in a game world, including buildings, props, trees and vegetation, to realistically model reactions to forces such as: wind currents, explosions, gravity, friction and collisions with other objects, without the need of external middleware.
•Interactive & Destructible Environments
All environments in CryENGINE® 3 can be dynamically physicalized, regardless of their nature (wood, steel, concrete, natural vegetation, cloth, etc.). This allows procedural destruction of as much of the environment as the game requires. All broken objects or parts can be interactive, with realistic properties such as mass, buoyancy, etc. applied to the debris.
•Advanced Rope Physics
Bendable vegetation which responds to wind, rain or character movement, realistically interactive rope bridges, and physically driven creature tentacle animations are just some of the uses to which we’ve put our rope physics technology.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good? even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
"Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself..."
IF your stateing that the games have there own Physics..... and do not benefit from PhysX
what is this then? IF your debating me for any other reason ....i have no idea what you are talking about and nobody eles know either.....
and be "WE" you mean the 2 profiles you have Anvil theroy....
this is my OP that you are debating me on
.
Someone said PhysX were pointless.... Gaming companys rarely use them...
they Said not to buy Nvidia Go ATI.....(in Short)
Yea i will be Staying with Nvidia
Below is a partial listing of current and upcoming AGEIA PhysX-accelerated titles available for PC and console owners alike. PC titles can take advantage of the PhysX Accelerator to provide an enhanced gaming experience.
Titles i think are worth buying Nvidia are in RED but thats just me...
ALL GAMES ON THIS LIST HAVE PHYSX
Game Title Developer Platform
2 Days to Vegas Steel Monkeys PC
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour Gaijin Entertainment PC
Age of Empires III Distineer Studios PC, Mac
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs Distineer Studios Mac
Alpha Prime Black Element Software PC
Auto Assault Net Devil PC
Backbreaker Natural Motion TBA
B.A.S.E. Jumping Digital Dimension Development PC
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Beowulf Ubisoft PS3, X360
Captain Blood Akella PC, X360
Cellfactor: Combat Training Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Cellfactor: Revolution Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Crazy Machines II FAKT Software PC
Cryostasis Action Forms PC
Dark Physics The Game Creators PC
Desert Diner Tarsier Studios PC
Dragonshard Atari PC
Dusk 12 Orion PC
Empire Above All IceHill PC
Empire Earth III Mad Dog Software PC
Fury Auran Games PC
Gears Of War Epic Games PC, X360
Gluk'Oza: Action GFI Russia PC
Gothic 3 Piranha Bytes PC
Gunship Apocalypse FAKT Software PC
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream PC
Hunt, The Orion PC
Infernal Metropolis Software PC
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power Orion PC
Joint Task Force Most Wanted Entertainment PC
KumaWAR Kuma Reality Games PC
Magic ball 3 Alawar Entertaiment PC
Mass Effect BioWare PC, X360
Medal of Honor: Airborne EA Los Angeles PC, X360
Metro 2033 4A Games PC
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia Artificial Studios PC, X360
Monster Truck Maniax Legendo Entertainment PC
Myst Online: URU Live Cyan Worlds PC
Open Fire BlueTorch Studios PC
Paragraph 78 Gaijin Entertainment PC
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Akella PC
Rail Simulator Kuju Entertainment Ltd PC
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends Big Huge Games PC
Roboblitz Naked Sky Entertainment PC, X360
Sacred 2 ASCARON Entertainment PC
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened Frogwares Game Development Studio PC
Showdown: Scorpion B-COOL Interactive PC
Silverfall Monte Cristo PC
Sovereign Symphony Ceidot Game Studios PC
Speedball 2 Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Stalin Subway, The Orion PC
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien Bongfish Interactive Entertainment PC
Switchball Atomic Elbow PC
Tension Ice-pick Lodge PC
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter GRIN PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 GRIN, Ubisoft Paris PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft Montreal PC, PS3, X360
Rigid body physics system supporting player interaction with physical game objects, ragdoll character animation, complex vehicles, and dismemberable objects.
Cloth simulation.
Soft body simulation.
'Physical Material' system that allows per-object or per-surface properties such as friction, sounds and effects.
Physics-driven sound.
Fully integrated support for physics-based vehicles, including player control, AI, and networking.
Gameplay-driven physical animation – capable of driving physics based on animation, and blending the results in many ways.
Unreal PhAT, the visual physics modeling tool built into UnrealEd that supports creation of optimized collision primitives for models and skeletal animated meshes; constraint editing; and interactive physics simulation and tweaking in-editor.
Fracture tool in UnrealEd allows you to take a mesh and break it into pieces.
CryENGINE® 3 is the first Xbox 360™, PlayStation® 3, MMO, DX9 and DX10 all-in-one game development solution that is next-gen ready – with scalable computation and graphics technologies. With CryENGINE® 3 you can start the development of your next generation games today. CryENGINE® 3 is the only solution that provides multi-award winning graphics, physics and AI out of the box. The complete game engine suite includes the famous CryENGINE® 3 Sandbox™ editor, a production-proven, 3rd generation tool suite designed and built by AAA developers. CryENGINE® 3 delivers everything you need to create your AAA games.
•Integrated Multi-threaded High Performance Physics Engine
CryENGINE® 3 physics can be applied to almost everything in a game world, including buildings, props, trees and vegetation, to realistically model reactions to forces such as: wind currents, explosions, gravity, friction and collisions with other objects, without the need of external middleware.
•Interactive & Destructible Environments
All environments in CryENGINE® 3 can be dynamically physicalized, regardless of their nature (wood, steel, concrete, natural vegetation, cloth, etc.). This allows procedural destruction of as much of the environment as the game requires. All broken objects or parts can be interactive, with realistic properties such as mass, buoyancy, etc. applied to the debris.
•Advanced Rope Physics
Bendable vegetation which responds to wind, rain or character movement, realistically interactive rope bridges, and physically driven creature tentacle animations are just some of the uses to which we’ve put our rope physics technology.
Bro, I'm going to sum this up real quick for you.
We are not talking about superficial fluff physics that Nvidia is trying to get you all excited about, we are talking about REAL physics. You seem overly excited about glass breaking realistically, but that is just marketing BS and eye candy.
If that isn't enough, here is more CPU based (real) in-game physics: THOUSANDS of physical objects. There are TONS of videos demonstrating what CPU based physic will be doing in games this year. All those Nvidia videos you and your partner keep jerking off over, are superfical fake crap that adds splash and fluff to games.
With the advent of multi-core computing, in game physics has gone CPU. Too bad you are more worried about your ego & marketing, than you are about learning and discussing.
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
I think they and you are mistaken on the power of CPU based physics. The only reason the CPU based physics are being touted is because its a game being designed for consoles that rely on CPU for rendering. For current technology, you simply cannot match the power of GPGPU computations when doing massive small scale calculations. The CPU is bound by the amount of threads it can process at one time. In that instance 16. Sure it goes through the threads fast at 3+ ghz, but can it match the power of something doing 1000 small scale calculations at a time at 1 ghz? As long as its not calculating more advanced physics algorythms the GPU will be faster and be capable of more. For games the physics algorythm is already small.
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i agree with the first part of this post...
But a few comments where not on the ball
I got my i7 920 for 220$ and i think the leading edge AMD is $249 where is this $100?
Also you answered the Overclocking question with your Price/performance statement..
An Overclocker can Take a Cheaper chip and OC it to the value of a higher end chip....
And just said you cant play your all your games at max. with AA on.. An Overclock would help that.
Not adding even 2x AA? AA and A high Rez are what makes your game look better... The Main Diffrence Bettween a PC and A Xbox Is that PS3 and XboX cant handle AA or High rez...so if your running games with out AA or high Rez you debunked your Argument by Paying more for a PC. when you could have just got a Console..Price/performance(unless PC games that dont make it to a console is your pref)
there is always room to Grow in a System...even thou i can run games at Max, does not mean the extra power i have goes unused....Running Mulit apps and points in a game, that just Crush a system.....A little OC can give you the room to Move around freely.
When it comes down to it....I can buy a Chevy Truck and get my job done....But some of us want to get that job Done in style...A Chevy SS. that has the extra power that i "could" use if i need it.
Other than that, Yes PC hardware Outdates itself and it a war we can never win....
And are you saying Physx are not utilized?
or GPU's doing A CPU's job not utilized?
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Maybe you haven't understood the meaning of the word PROVE...
Proving something is not done by just making a statement...
you have to show some evidence.....
Are you back to capping on Grammar...Didn't we have this convo..?
Quoting Marketing Hype?....I guess you missed the success story by a real company, using A GPU to do data crunching....
"Utilizing the Tesla™ technology, the National Cancer Institute completed its cancer medical research calculations 12 times faster than with traditional x86 based servers. The research results can now be accumulated in 10 minutes as opposed to 2 hours".
(this is the funniest one yet.. yes The National Cancer Institute is helping Nvidia complete the Death Star... to sham the world into Nividas's marketing plans...lol or maybe the National Cancer Institute is a marketing ploy, useing dieng kids to futher Nvidia's grip on the Galaxy..)
and many more companys....
Are you still on the Physx point...When we are talking about GPUS AND CPUS?
Well i guess that you Sidesteped that whole you think there is a conspiracy with Nvidia, and Me and Sir drip are Mods for MMORPG? Care to inlighten us with Comments, that have something to do with how you came to that point?????
you keep sidesteping your Rambles.. If somone can beleave that there is a conspiracy to F with you, bettween Mods And members. At the same time think that Nvidia is out to get everone....it forms a pattern of Paranoia..
Which would make all sane people second guess your statements..... If you trully Beleave this... Post some Sources besides hersay....
You do realize bettween the times you Run to the Mods Snitching on us.... that people ARE reading what u have worte...Full of emotional balls of obcentities, defending yourself all the time...... you do realize this right....
Or is that Also a Conspiracy too?
IM not talking about physx in the OP. Your taking a Post from another thread, that I stated what games have Physics... If thats what you want to debate, state the Subject first, so somone knows what your talking about.
If you going to Debate get on the Same subject...and Quit posting BS Knowing people will not read that far back, to see if your Full of it or not....
You want to debate... PIck a Subject..
Find a Post with a "Sentance" where i said something, and Quote it....Then we can Debate....
Otherwise......
As stated before
You keep posting Comments made by Sir drip and are putting them in my mouth.....
You realize there are 2 different people with the Same sig right?
Your having a temper tantrum...
you have gone off the deep end...
You think Intel Nvidia is a Conspiracy
And Me and Sir Drip are Mods for MMORPG.
And Everyone is out to get You and ATI....
you have lost all touch with reality, because I made you look foolish About correcting my grammar with bad grammar. and you snapped
So you made a second Profile to mess with me.
This is funny watching a middle aged man brake down on the Internet.....
IF i was this foolish kid that you say i am....why are your split personalities....Fighting with me?
You are By far the funniest person i have met on the Internet....
And you justify all the nagging my wife gives me for being on the PC all the time..lol
And you think that if you keep pushing me, you will get me to respond harshly so i will get banned...
Funny How you think that your Mature....
*rolls eyes*
It's incredibly funny that you have not correlated the topic of this thread, to also include in-game physics, because GPGPU is comming. Not 3 years from now, but within 5-7 months.
You reply is an utter mess and doesn't expound on your claims, idea or theories and is just more drival. Not to mention, you personal attacks are weak and I hope you don't think your childish comebacks are wity... rotfl !
Secondly, (if you have actually read my posts) you will see that I do not have to prove anything. I and many other have already given you the proof you need, If you are too lazy to look up and study the underlying reason why CPU based middleware like Havok and OpenGL are superior to Nvidia's PhysX, then you just futher illustrate how helpless you really are. No wonder why you are influenced by marketing, you're a dolt!
You don't have the skills to rebuttal my comments, therefor I predict more of the same drival and emotional banter.
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When I was on Newegg, the i7 920 was $288.99, and my 940 cost me $189.99, that's what I was getting at, not quite $100 gap but enough to say the AMD gets the job done knowing I wouldn't need the i7. Price/Performance is what I was looking for and the 5 star reviews didn't hurt it. I don't want bragging rights I want something that will play what I want it to. My machine does so flawlessly, I feel I made a great decision.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115202 (i7 920 $288.99)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471 (Phenom II 940 $189.99)
That's where I got my comparison from on the $100 remark, they released the 955 like a week before my purchase and before I even had realized it. So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know.
Also I did say that I could play ALL games on max as of right now, just not Crysis unless I turn AA off (which isn't a big deal for me). Crysis still looks beautiful and I can play FarCry 2 Flawlessly and UT3 with no hitches/lag whatsoever on max settings with AA turned on.
The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm. Pretty soon our motherboards/graphics cards will be so integrated that yeah, a GPU can and will end up doing a CPU's job and in the future you may see graphics cards with processors big enough to do everything you need to in a game while freeing you your central CPU on your motherboard to open 50x applications and still have no lag. If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released? Just like people will bitch about games not having DX11 when the cards are released when a majority of them don't even have DX10 implemented and if they do (Age of Conan) they don't run at a stable FPS rate.
So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. The only thing you win is a one way stop to disappointment land when all over your current hardware becomes old and outdated. Then you end up in the same old rut with people saying "I'm better than you because I can afford to be!" E-Peen'd rich kids.
i Said I agree with ATI & Nvidia working with Physics on together.
You are adding me And Sir Drip together on alot of issues, my OP is a little diffrent than his....
ALL i stated was. Someone ATI fan Said"
"Dont go Nvidia cause there are only 3 games, that have working PhysX."...
So i showed people that there are over 40. Some of the biggest titles this year , will have them......
The Fact that many of you have Said " I can't see the reason for buying nVidia alone for PhysX"
I never said that I... Sir_Drip may have.
WE BOUGHT NVIDIA For their Power/support /And OC ablity, and have use them before they had physics...
The PhysX driver is just a extra bouns
Your all hung up on that.?
Also you played one Broke game?
All the fighting we have done... you Say PhysX are nothing after one game that was broke.....?
Ever watch mythbusters.?
How do they Test things, and get data?
With a Control, and many diffrent samples. and run the numbers..... to get a real Data
Its funny cause i asked all of you about 15 times to what games have you played with physX.... (50 post and 2 weeks later)
Now i get one answer... You played "ONE" PhysX enabled game.....
Im sorry but that is crazy...
All of this..... and all of your Debate ammo is on ONE game.
One game defiens All physX?
You have to admit , that is beyond all sorts of reason.
PS: jack.... did you See that guy up there and the Nuts falling out of his head....lol Man you though i was bad...
Mate I'm not attacking your opinions. I know that you agree on ATi and nVidia working together on physics. I'm simply stating my opinion of the physics competition as it is right now, since we were on the subject of CUDA. I've played many games including PhysX, and I've never felt anything was lacking or poorly made in any of them. Here's the list of physx games I've played:
AA
BiA:HH
Cryostasis
EE3
Frontlines:FoW
GoW
Gothic 3
Grid
JTF
Mass Effect
MoH:Airborne
Mirrors Edge
Rise of Legends
Graw 1
Graw 2
R6 : Vegas
SC:DA
UT3
I know the GRAW games use Physx for more realistic rendering of vehicle debris.... it's so rare you come across vehicles, and they already look just fine without it... honestly I'm not sure I'd even see the difference. I also think Gothic 3 has some higher density particle effects but that's that. I've never read of Physx being used more than to enhance certain effects. If know of such games, I'd like to know, cause it would be interesting to see the difference if it was bigger, in order to see things that are comming in the future. I'm not trying to an ass here putting down PhysX without reason, but I simply haven't seen a game yet where it is a must to have in my opinion. Physx is of course just a bonus for nVidia users now, but as stated, I can't see it being the only reason to buy nVidia(And I know that's not why you bought nVidia). But if you were going to buy the nvidia card anyways, then it's of course only a bonus it is there. Agreed.
For the games I don't know what it does I clearly didn't it miss and to be frank some of the games don't even warrent for it. Cryostasis is an extremely linear tight quarters game with little physics where the beauty lies in the art. Mass Effect is a most static rpg where you have rag dolls. I'm guessing enhanced particles. Actually that's what I'm guessing in most of the games, since that's mostly what they'd be able to change. But again, please, if you know of a game where it has a bigger importance, post please. I'd sincerely like to know.
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Even a simple game like Vanguard have this "ragdoll" physics on some of the mobs. You already know that physics in a game was not invented by PhysX.
There is alot of games that already have a "random kind of" physics in them but people don't realize it.
Played with physics or PhysX?
----------
Here you'll have to skip ahead to 3:20 into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiWEarRznWo
... 0:25 into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYN-GP2T4Ys
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
I think you are taking my post offensively on purpose now. I am saying that it is bragging rights to have a top end (SUPER system). My rig as you seen earlier puts me in a comfortable state to where I should be comfortable for a long time, problem is I am not getting the point across that not everyone can afford to upgrade every year. I'm not saying that you are a rich kid or whatever you think I'm saying. I just said that at the time of purchase I saved $100 going with my 940 then spending it on a i7 920 and still being able to top out on everything comfortably to my satisfaction.
Flat out it DOES have to do with being rich if you are going out and upgrading every year and dishing out $1500 - $5000 on a computer. Paying $500 for a great graphics card just released x's however many you buy, paying another $300 for an awesome mobo, and $500 - $1,000 for the lead intel processors, $200 - $400+ for added on sound/PhysX cards, any extras you can fit into your motherboard etc..etc... That's what I was saying about being rich and getting all the realistic perks you can shove into your mobo for a more realistic gaming experience.
About the people bitching, when don't they? Flat out lol. I guarantee you when these DX11 comes out people will bitch mainly those who can buy the $500 - $1,000 graphics card when they are first released, that games don't utilize them lol. Just watch and see, they'll cry about it. I've played enough games to tell you that much, if things aren't perfect people get a mental meltdown of some sorts. Just like you are trying to deliberately offend me. When I am just explaining to you I see no lines other than upgrading at a reasonable price and still having a top end machine. (The even more probable reason for bitching about DX 11 is that since no games yet utilize it they can't test their cards full power, and when DX11 is finally released full blown, their cards may not run it so smoothly and they'll have to upgrade it again for a card that does work DX11 flawlessly.) Not saying that will ALWAYS happen, just saying it's more probably than not. Someone will bitch about it.
Those features that would be awesome for you to have, may not be for me and vice versa. I don't see the big deal. Maybe that makes me crazy? I don't know. You need to stop being so jumpy though. Take a chill pill and relax, the world won't explode just because I don't see the big deal in PhysX and with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded and regardless of what you tell me that is exactly why they do it. It makes them feel good and they brag about it in all their games/forum signatures and any other way they can rub it in your face. Those people my friend is who I was talking about. NOT YOU, if that makes you feel any better.
BASICALLY why buy a super computer when your only going to use 1/4th - 2/4th of it. I use it for gaming and at least 2 of my 4 cores are not utilized. That was what I was trying to get across, and it had nothing to do with you having an i7 or me having an AMD. Both are good for what they do, and I was in no intentions flaming you, I was just using them as a comparison in price/peformance. It irks me to no end how people are so hypocritical and gotta go online to raise their E-Peens to do nothing more than raise their ego. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you anymore as to what I'm trying to say. If you don't get what I'm saying this time it's no use talking to you if you aren't going to get my main points; Without somehow interpreting them as I have an evil meaning behind it.
EDIT: The reason I say PhysX cards and such is because to my knowledge after researching Nvidia has the PhysX and not Radeons. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know you will. Peace.
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
I think you are taking my post offensively on purpose now. I am saying that it is bragging rights to have a top end (SUPER system). My rig as you seen earlier puts me in a comfortable state to where I should be comfortable for a long time, problem is I am not getting the point across that not everyone can afford to upgrade every year. I'm not saying that you are a rich kid or whatever you think I'm saying. I just said that at the time of purchase I saved $100 going with my 940 then spending it on a i7 920 and still being able to top out on everything comfortably to my satisfaction.
Flat out it DOES have to do with being rich if you are going out and upgrading every year and dishing out $1500 - $5000 on a computer. Paying $500 for a great graphics card just released x's however many you buy, paying another $300 for an awesome mobo, and $500 - $1,000 for the lead intel processors, $200 - $400+ for added on sound/PhysX cards, any extras you can fit into your motherboard etc..etc... That's what I was saying about being rich and getting all the realistic perks you can shove into your mobo for a more realistic gaming experience.
About the people bitching, when don't they? Flat out lol. I guarantee you when these DX11 comes out people will bitch mainly those who can buy the $500 - $1,000 graphics card when they are first released, that games don't utilize them lol. Just watch and see, they'll cry about it. I've played enough games to tell you that much, if things aren't perfect people get a mental meltdown of some sorts. Just like you are trying to deliberately offend me. When I am just explaining to you I see no lines other than upgrading at a reasonable price and still having a top end machine. (The even more probable reason for bitching about DX 11 is that since no games yet utilize it they can't test their cards full power, and when DX11 is finally released full blown, their cards may not run it so smoothly and they'll have to upgrade it again for a card that does work DX11 flawlessly.) Not saying that will ALWAYS happen, just saying it's more probably than not. Someone will bitch about it.
Those features that would be awesome for you to have, may not be for me and vice versa. I don't see the big deal. Maybe that makes me crazy? I don't know. You need to stop being so jumpy though. Take a chill pill and relax, the world won't explode just because I don't see the big deal in PhysX and with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded and regardless of what you tell me that is exactly why they do it. It makes them feel good and they brag about it in all their games/forum signatures and any other way they can rub it in your face. Those people my friend is who I was talking about. NOT YOU, if that makes you feel any better.
BASICALLY why buy a super computer when your only going to use 1/4th - 2/4th of it. I use it for gaming and at least 2 of my 4 cores are not utilized. That was what I was trying to get across, and it had nothing to do with you having an i7 or me having an AMD. Both are good for what they do, and I was in no intentions flaming you, I was just using them as a comparison in price/peformance. It irks me to no end how people are so hypocritical and gotta go online to raise their E-Peens to do nothing more than raise their ego. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you anymore as to what I'm trying to say. If you don't get what I'm saying this time it's no use talking to you if you aren't going to get my main points; Without somehow interpreting them as I have an evil meaning behind it.
EDIT: The reason I say PhysX cards and such is because to my knowledge after researching Nvidia has the PhysX and not Radeons. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know you will. Peace.
"with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded"
you realize i have this system your talking about...I agree with almost every part of your statements... i was just trying to understand what i thought you were saying.
And what in my post offeneded you?. I asked you a few questions.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Even a simple game like Vanguard have this "ragdoll" physics on some of the mobs. You already know that physics in a game was not invented by PhysX.
There is alot of games that already have a "random kind of" physics in them but people don't realize it.
Played with physics or PhysX?
----------
Here you'll have to skip ahead to 3:20 into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiWEarRznWo
... 0:25 into it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VYN-GP2T4Ys
I understand that. it was just a point of Progress in Gaming Graphics.... but most are still scripted
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiM8aFMYv-4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XL2dZTozJM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nF7Iq9pzKRk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuZQpWo9Qhs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JtAdTon0JA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRHG7p3ftsI&feature=channel_page
well after watching a shit ton OF Phsics demos Apex, Havock. An Physx...i dont care who makes it....it adds so much more to games.... Just click on the Links above and watch then look at related videos.... Your telling me that does not look good?
even something a simple as the Cape in the Hero engine...(the new Starwars MMO) looks sweet
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsrdrwWDvtw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGjUQ0e9_U&feature=related PhysX on /off
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXoxY42uqwU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m4pe6UAS2M&feature=related unreal 3
games to come out hopefully this year running U3
Tera Blue hole studios............OMG
Blade and Soul...........................OMG
Mortal Online,............................OMG
Global Agenda,
Fallen Earth Icarus Studios PC
Huxley Webzen, Inc PC, X360 .................................OMG
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bKphYfUk-M Havock
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npb7BlM-8qg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHVWEGdDhBI&feature=related
Someone metioned Scared 2 and all it had was a few leaves falling around...ok
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guOu-nXf46g On /off
AND back to the GPU doing the job of a CPU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLKeHsz3GKI&feature=related
Abobe CS4
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sddv3d-w5p4&feature=related
"So even according to those prices the 955 would still be cheaper by $30+. That's if you buy from Newegg, whether or not I could get it for cheaper elsewhere I don't know"
let me ask you this paying an extra $30 makes you a rich kid?
"The ultimate factor that I was trying to bring out is that PhysX for me is not a big deal at all. If I wanted real life I can go outside and take a swim, shoot a real gun, drive a real car and hit things with mega uber awesome FPS/Stability lol. Has crazy physics too, let me tell you. /End Sarcasm"
So where do you draw the line visually? this would still prove that even a PS1, if it could play an MMOs would be a better buy for gaming....
And where ever you draw that line...why do you feel that's the same line for everyone else? And if they cross it they are spending too much cause there a Rich kid?
"If you have these things then fine, that's cool, but if it's not going to be utilized until a year later why bitch about having it right now after it's released?"
Who is Bitching about what....GPUS? PhysX? i dont get what your saying.
"So, overall they MAY be utilized even if not greatly done so, but it does not mean it's a game changer or even required to have a great experience. "
No one in here has stated that you have to have PhysX is a gamer changer for everyone.
(perfect Example In older games when you killed someone they Fell dead Static. Now with Ragdoll PhysX they Fall With weight......I dont know about you but just something simple as this, can make me Say things like..."that game looks like shit" if it didn't have it. . There are allot of things people don't realize that Are PhysX enabled...you Said you play Far Cry 2...and Crysis....Have you ever Played with Physx? you should before you make that statement...
"It just means you have to have bragging rights because your rig can do more than your buddies rig and vice versa. It's a non ending war and the only people who win are the people you purchase from. "
Ahhh what? bragging rights for having a driver?
Flat out It has nothing to do with being Rich....
If you have the money.... getting top of the line will just prolong your next Build. Going cheap with Shorten your PCs life....and if you Do the dollars and cents it weighs out in the end.....But one thing is for sure. you wont be hearing "I cant play that new game on my system high end system "as much as the guy shopping for bargains.
I think you are taking my post offensively on purpose now. I am saying that it is bragging rights to have a top end (SUPER system). My rig as you seen earlier puts me in a comfortable state to where I should be comfortable for a long time, problem is I am not getting the point across that not everyone can afford to upgrade every year. I'm not saying that you are a rich kid or whatever you think I'm saying. I just said that at the time of purchase I saved $100 going with my 940 then spending it on a i7 920 and still being able to top out on everything comfortably to my satisfaction.
Flat out it DOES have to do with being rich if you are going out and upgrading every year and dishing out $1500 - $5000 on a computer. Paying $500 for a great graphics card just released x's however many you buy, paying another $300 for an awesome mobo, and $500 - $1,000 for the lead intel processors, $200 - $400+ for added on sound/PhysX cards, any extras you can fit into your motherboard etc..etc... That's what I was saying about being rich and getting all the realistic perks you can shove into your mobo for a more realistic gaming experience.
About the people bitching, when don't they? Flat out lol. I guarantee you when these DX11 comes out people will bitch mainly those who can buy the $500 - $1,000 graphics card when they are first released, that games don't utilize them lol. Just watch and see, they'll cry about it. I've played enough games to tell you that much, if things aren't perfect people get a mental meltdown of some sorts. Just like you are trying to deliberately offend me. When I am just explaining to you I see no lines other than upgrading at a reasonable price and still having a top end machine. (The even more probable reason for bitching about DX 11 is that since no games yet utilize it they can't test their cards full power, and when DX11 is finally released full blown, their cards may not run it so smoothly and they'll have to upgrade it again for a card that does work DX11 flawlessly.) Not saying that will ALWAYS happen, just saying it's more probably than not. Someone will bitch about it.
Those features that would be awesome for you to have, may not be for me and vice versa. I don't see the big deal. Maybe that makes me crazy? I don't know. You need to stop being so jumpy though. Take a chill pill and relax, the world won't explode just because I don't see the big deal in PhysX and with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded and regardless of what you tell me that is exactly why they do it. It makes them feel good and they brag about it in all their games/forum signatures and any other way they can rub it in your face. Those people my friend is who I was talking about. NOT YOU, if that makes you feel any better.
BASICALLY why buy a super computer when your only going to use 1/4th - 2/4th of it. I use it for gaming and at least 2 of my 4 cores are not utilized. That was what I was trying to get across, and it had nothing to do with you having an i7 or me having an AMD. Both are good for what they do, and I was in no intentions flaming you, I was just using them as a comparison in price/peformance. It irks me to no end how people are so hypocritical and gotta go online to raise their E-Peens to do nothing more than raise their ego. Hopefully I don't have to explain to you anymore as to what I'm trying to say. If you don't get what I'm saying this time it's no use talking to you if you aren't going to get my main points; Without somehow interpreting them as I have an evil meaning behind it.
EDIT: The reason I say PhysX cards and such is because to my knowledge after researching Nvidia has the PhysX and not Radeons. Correct me if I am wrong, and I know you will. Peace.
"with rich kids buying top of the line machines, water cooling them, running Quad Sli/CF graphics, and 32GB of DDR3 Memory all to have a big E-Peen and still then overclocking them because they can. It's just plain retarded"
you realize i have this system your talking about...I agree with almost every part of your statements... i was just trying to understand what i thought you were saying.
And what in my post offeneded you?. I asked you a few questions.
It just seemed like you were posting aggressively towards me. I might've taken it the wrong way it just seemed that way. If you can afford systems like that that's awesome, just not everyone can so don't rub it in their face(Not that you do, because you most probably don't). You seem to be doing it for the right reason instead of just an up in your face I'm better than you kinda deal. By Rich Kid I meant exactly that a "Kid" who leeches off of mommy and daddy to go online and tell everyone they are better because their computer costed $3 ka drillion dollars and yours didn't lol. I'm just like okay wtf? I don't care mine runs everything to date on max, I could care less if your running at 200 FPS or not :P. Anyway take care, I was just here to post my 2C worth on why I think comparing hardware to boost self-centric egotistic persons is complete and total mental retardation.
I have not watched your linked videos at this point. But I think we can (atleast) agree on that physics looks good.
And so I assume that physics looks good in those videos aswell. But have anyone really argued that it do not?
The point being linking those videos, my videos, was that the solution is not only PhysX, as you are also recognizing. And despite lack of PhysX support there are means to add physics into a game.
What does that leave us?
Will PhysX be the one and only solution to physics?
Will the eventuall lack of PhysX support in a game leave NVIDIA card out of luck, as in they will be able to have physics in that particular game?
Ofourse think "no" on both those answers. (So please sir_ drip don't go misquoting and saying that I do.).
That leaves us, amongst other things, the choice of the game developer. Like Microsoft Game Studios that are meaning to implement Havok into their games. I'm quite shure that developers will make physics availble on both ATI and NVIDIA otherwise they will end up neglecting at this point 33% on that segment of the PC gaming market.*
Either it will be done that NVIDIA will release PhysX so that ATI will take their share into it. Game developers will use more than one API/accelerator when they develope. Or they will use their own solution.
* A quick calculation on that. I gave NVIDIA 40% and ATI 20% of the total GPU market. In this case that 60% makes up for that total, 100%, market. As this discussion evolves alot around NVIDIA vs ATI. That number is assumingly including all kind of graphical solutions. As a side note it would be interesting to see the numbers more divided into the higher end, not including passive cards and so on.
Anyway.
Of that total NVIDIA have 66,7% and ATI 33,3%.
Newer and more accurate number can be contributed.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
AMD-tan is superior
On the hardware side it is a very close race, but I prefer Nvidia because ATIs drivers are not that good.
A Nvidia card usually works in all games without any tweaking, ATI needs work to do what it is supposed to do, and it have been so for many years. If ATI fixed this issue I would consider buying it, the prices and hardware is very good but no card is better than it's drivers.
Flip flop...?
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
___________________________
- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
I dont care if its In-game physics or Nvidia Physx! Nvidia Cards are going to play both the way they were ment to be played! ATI will not have Nvidia Physx for a long time! So.... ANY game that comes out, for the rest of this year and prolly the next, If you purchased a Nvidia card It's a Win win! ATi is shit out of luck! I dont mind paying an exrta $20 bucks for a card over the other manufacture, as long as I can play ALL games the way they were ment to be PLAYED! Sad part is that all you that purchased ATI and saved $20.00 can not! You got ripped off for saving 20 bucks! LOL! And even if it was 20 bucks more ontop of that, The Nvidia Driver support is worth 20 bucks alone!
Flip flop...?
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
did anyone else understand AT ALL what this this guy is talking about.....?
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Flip flop...?
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
show me how i filp floped? quote a statement that i filp floped...or STFU
Really, still acting like a potty mouth little boy? Why so abrasive?
I did show you.. that is why I QUOTED you. Please read your first two sentences, you are clearly conceding my point and flip flopped from your Nvidia marketing hype.
___________________________
- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
Flip flop...?
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
show me how i filp floped? quote a statement that i filp floped...or STFU
Really, still acting like a potty mouth little boy? Why so abrasive?
I did show you.. that is why I QUOTED you. Please read your first two sentences, you are clearly conceding my point and flip flopped from your Nvidia marketing hype.
did you not watch this..
?
Something i posted....
how is this flip floping? you would have to post a Quote that i didnt say this before.....
i will come back to this in a hour or so im going back to gaming...while you can look shit up....
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
Flip flop...?
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
"Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself..."
IF your stateing that the games have there own Physics..... and do not benefit from PhysX
then what is with U3????????????????????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGjUQ0e9_U&feature=related
what is this then? IF your debating me for any other reason ....i have no idea what you are talking about and nobody eles know either.....
and be "WE" you mean the 2 profiles you have Anvil theroy....
this is my OP that you are debating me on
.
Someone said PhysX were pointless.... Gaming companys rarely use them...
they Said not to buy Nvidia Go ATI.....(in Short)
Yea i will be Staying with Nvidia
Below is a partial listing of current and upcoming AGEIA PhysX-accelerated titles available for PC and console owners alike. PC titles can take advantage of the PhysX Accelerator to provide an enhanced gaming experience.
Titles i think are worth buying Nvidia are in RED but thats just me...
ALL GAMES ON THIS LIST HAVE PHYSX
Game Title Developer Platform
2 Days to Vegas Steel Monkeys PC
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour Gaijin Entertainment PC
Age of Empires III Distineer Studios PC, Mac
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs Distineer Studios Mac
Alpha Prime Black Element Software PC
Auto Assault Net Devil PC
Backbreaker Natural Motion TBA
B.A.S.E. Jumping Digital Dimension Development PC
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Beowulf Ubisoft PS3, X360
Captain Blood Akella PC, X360
Cellfactor: Combat Training Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Cellfactor: Revolution Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Crazy Machines II FAKT Software PC
Cryostasis Action Forms PC
Dark Physics The Game Creators PC
Desert Diner Tarsier Studios PC
Dragonshard Atari PC
Dusk 12 Orion PC
Empire Above All IceHill PC
Empire Earth III Mad Dog Software PC
Fury Auran Games PC
Gears Of War Epic Games PC, X360
Gluk'Oza: Action GFI Russia PC
Gothic 3 Piranha Bytes PC
Gunship Apocalypse FAKT Software PC
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream PC
Hunt, The Orion PC
Infernal Metropolis Software PC
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power Orion PC
Joint Task Force Most Wanted Entertainment PC
KumaWAR Kuma Reality Games PC
Magic ball 3 Alawar Entertaiment PC
Mass Effect BioWare PC, X360
Medal of Honor: Airborne EA Los Angeles PC, X360
Metro 2033 4A Games PC
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia Artificial Studios PC, X360
Monster Truck Maniax Legendo Entertainment PC
Myst Online: URU Live Cyan Worlds PC
Open Fire BlueTorch Studios PC
Paragraph 78 Gaijin Entertainment PC
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Akella PC
Rail Simulator Kuju Entertainment Ltd PC
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends Big Huge Games PC
Roboblitz Naked Sky Entertainment PC, X360
Sacred 2 ASCARON Entertainment PC
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened Frogwares Game Development Studio PC
Showdown: Scorpion B-COOL Interactive PC
Silverfall Monte Cristo PC
Sovereign Symphony Ceidot Game Studios PC
Speedball 2 Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Stalin Subway, The Orion PC
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien Bongfish Interactive Entertainment PC
Switchball Atomic Elbow PC
Tension Ice-pick Lodge PC
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter GRIN PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 GRIN, Ubisoft Paris PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft Montreal PC, PS3, X360
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent (multiplayer) Ubisoft Shanghai PC, X360
Tortuga: Two Treasures Ascaron Entertainment PC
Two Worlds Reality Pump PC
Ultra Tubes Eipix PC
Unreal Tournament 3 Epic Games PC, PS3, X360
Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod Epic Games PC
Warfare GFI Russia PC
Warmonger: Operation Downtown Destruction Net Devil PC
W.E.L.L. Online Sibilant Interactive PC
Winterheart's Guild Zelian Games PC, X360
WorldShift Black Sea Studios PC
Mirror's Edge thanks to SythntheTick
Red Fraction PC
And more importaint the Unreal Engine 3 and CryEngine-3 witch are 2 new Engines that Alot of MMOS are running or thinking about.
Some of the MMOs
Tera Blue hole studios............OMG
Blade and Soul...........................OMG
Mortal Online,............................OMG
Global Agenda,
Fallen Earth Icarus Studios PC
Pirates of the Burning Sea Flying Lab Software PC
Huxley Webzen, Inc PC, X360 .................................OMG
Hero's Jorney Simutronics PC
City of Villains Cryptic Studios PC
Entropia Universe MindArk PC
And more to come...its the future
Add more if you know any
About Unreal 3 PhysX http://www.unrealtechnology.com/technology.php
Powered by NVIDIA PhysX.
Rigid body physics system supporting player interaction with physical game objects, ragdoll character animation, complex vehicles, and dismemberable objects.
Cloth simulation.
Soft body simulation.
'Physical Material' system that allows per-object or per-surface properties such as friction, sounds and effects.
Physics-driven sound.
Fully integrated support for physics-based vehicles, including player control, AI, and networking.
Gameplay-driven physical animation – capable of driving physics based on animation, and blending the results in many ways.
Unreal PhAT, the visual physics modeling tool built into UnrealEd that supports creation of optimized collision primitives for models and skeletal animated meshes; constraint editing; and interactive physics simulation and tweaking in-editor.
Fracture tool in UnrealEd allows you to take a mesh and break it into pieces.
About Cry 3 http://www.crytek.com/technology/cryengine-3/specifications
Video: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/video/6206970/gdc-2009-crysis-warhead-cryengine-3-demo-video
Demo: http://www.fileplanet.com/197606/190000/fileinfo/CryENGINE-3-Trailer-(HD)
CryENGINE® 3 is the first Xbox 360™, PlayStation® 3, MMO, DX9 and DX10 all-in-one game development solution that is next-gen ready – with scalable computation and graphics technologies. With CryENGINE® 3 you can start the development of your next generation games today. CryENGINE® 3 is the only solution that provides multi-award winning graphics, physics and AI out of the box. The complete game engine suite includes the famous CryENGINE® 3 Sandbox™ editor, a production-proven, 3rd generation tool suite designed and built by AAA developers. CryENGINE® 3 delivers everything you need to create your AAA games.
•Integrated Multi-threaded High Performance Physics Engine
CryENGINE® 3 physics can be applied to almost everything in a game world, including buildings, props, trees and vegetation, to realistically model reactions to forces such as: wind currents, explosions, gravity, friction and collisions with other objects, without the need of external middleware.
•Interactive & Destructible Environments
All environments in CryENGINE® 3 can be dynamically physicalized, regardless of their nature (wood, steel, concrete, natural vegetation, cloth, etc.). This allows procedural destruction of as much of the environment as the game requires. All broken objects or parts can be interactive, with realistic properties such as mass, buoyancy, etc. applied to the debris.
•Advanced Rope Physics
Bendable vegetation which responds to wind, rain or character movement, realistically interactive rope bridges, and physically driven creature tentacle animations are just some of the uses to which we’ve put our rope physics technology.
"Beauty is only is only skin deep..." said the AMD/ATI fan. "Blah..Thats just what ugly people say..." said the Intel/Nvidia fan. You want price / performance, use the dollar menu..
did anyone else understand AT ALL what this this guy is talking about.....?
That there is other solutions aswell and it is naturally for a manufactorer to spout of their solutions as the best.
In the end. Even if NVIDIA uses PhysX, they are also supporting other solution aswell. So even for NVIDIA PhysX is not the end all solution.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
"You have the right not to be killed"
Flip flop...?
All you need to do is watch the Unreal Engine and the Project Offset engine to understand what REAL in-game physics is and will be. Not these ancillary, superficial BS you keep fixating on. This isn't new, I have a 2 year old Agea card sitting in a drawer. We know the where these companies are goign with it, because some of us attend the shows and talk to the developers. PhysX is poop.
Many people have repeatedly told you..
Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself.
Glad we could help.
"Those are actual engines that will be used by many, many game developers, such as Mortal Online useing the Unreal engine, etc. It's the same reason we were laughing at your about Nvidia's Physx.. and all the fluff and marketing you tried to spew. Now you are learning and educating yourself..."
IF your stateing that the games have there own Physics..... and do not benefit from PhysX
then what is with U3????????????????????????
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhGjUQ0e9_U&feature=related
what is this then? IF your debating me for any other reason ....i have no idea what you are talking about and nobody eles know either.....
and be "WE" you mean the 2 profiles you have Anvil theroy....
this is my OP that you are debating me on
.
Someone said PhysX were pointless.... Gaming companys rarely use them...
they Said not to buy Nvidia Go ATI.....(in Short)
Yea i will be Staying with Nvidia
Below is a partial listing of current and upcoming AGEIA PhysX-accelerated titles available for PC and console owners alike. PC titles can take advantage of the PhysX Accelerator to provide an enhanced gaming experience.
Titles i think are worth buying Nvidia are in RED but thats just me...
ALL GAMES ON THIS LIST HAVE PHYSX
Game Title Developer Platform
2 Days to Vegas Steel Monkeys PC
Adrenalin 2: Rush Hour Gaijin Entertainment PC
Age of Empires III Distineer Studios PC, Mac
Age of Empires III: The WarChiefs Distineer Studios Mac
Alpha Prime Black Element Software PC
Auto Assault Net Devil PC
Backbreaker Natural Motion TBA
B.A.S.E. Jumping Digital Dimension Development PC
Bet on Soldier: Blackout Saigon Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood of Sahara Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Bet on Soldier: Blood Sport Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Beowulf Ubisoft PS3, X360
Captain Blood Akella PC, X360
Cellfactor: Combat Training Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Cellfactor: Revolution Artifical Studios, Immersion Games PC
Crazy Machines II FAKT Software PC
Cryostasis Action Forms PC
Dark Physics The Game Creators PC
Desert Diner Tarsier Studios PC
Dragonshard Atari PC
Dusk 12 Orion PC
Empire Above All IceHill PC
Empire Earth III Mad Dog Software PC
Fury Auran Games PC
Gears Of War Epic Games PC, X360
Gluk'Oza: Action GFI Russia PC
Gothic 3 Piranha Bytes PC
Gunship Apocalypse FAKT Software PC
Heavy Rain Quantic Dream PC
Hunt, The Orion PC
Infernal Metropolis Software PC
Inhabited island: Prisoner of Power Orion PC
Joint Task Force Most Wanted Entertainment PC
KumaWAR Kuma Reality Games PC
Magic ball 3 Alawar Entertaiment PC
Mass Effect BioWare PC, X360
Medal of Honor: Airborne EA Los Angeles PC, X360
Metro 2033 4A Games PC
Monster Madness: Battle for Suburbia Artificial Studios PC, X360
Monster Truck Maniax Legendo Entertainment PC
Myst Online: URU Live Cyan Worlds PC
Open Fire BlueTorch Studios PC
Paragraph 78 Gaijin Entertainment PC
PT Boats: Knights of the Sea Akella PC
Rail Simulator Kuju Entertainment Ltd PC
Rise Of Nations: Rise Of Legends Big Huge Games PC
Roboblitz Naked Sky Entertainment PC, X360
Sacred 2 ASCARON Entertainment PC
Sherlock Holmes: The Awakened Frogwares Game Development Studio PC
Showdown: Scorpion B-COOL Interactive PC
Silverfall Monte Cristo PC
Sovereign Symphony Ceidot Game Studios PC
Speedball 2 Kylotonn Entertainment PC
Stalin Subway, The Orion PC
Stoked Rider: Alaska Alien Bongfish Interactive Entertainment PC
Switchball Atomic Elbow PC
Tension Ice-pick Lodge PC
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter GRIN PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter 2 GRIN, Ubisoft Paris PC, X360
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six Vegas Ubisoft Montreal PC, PS3, X360
Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell: Double Agent (multiplayer) Ubisoft Shanghai PC, X360
Tortuga: Two Treasures Ascaron Entertainment PC
Two Worlds Reality Pump PC
Ultra Tubes Eipix PC
Unreal Tournament 3 Epic Games PC, PS3, X360
Unreal Tournament 3: Extreme Physics Mod Epic Games PC
Warfare GFI Russia PC
Warmonger: Operation Downtown Destruction Net Devil PC
W.E.L.L. Online Sibilant Interactive PC
Winterheart's Guild Zelian Games PC, X360
WorldShift Black Sea Studios PC
Mirror's Edge thanks to SythntheTick
Red Fraction PC
And more importaint the Unreal Engine 3 and CryEngine-3 witch are 2 new Engines that Alot of MMOS are running or thinking about.
Some of the MMOs
Tera Blue hole studios............OMG
Blade and Soul...........................OMG
Mortal Online,............................OMG
Global Agenda,
Fallen Earth Icarus Studios PC
Pirates of the Burning Sea Flying Lab Software PC
Huxley Webzen, Inc PC, X360 .................................OMG
Hero's Jorney Simutronics PC
City of Villains Cryptic Studios PC
Entropia Universe MindArk PC
And more to come...its the future
Add more if you know any
About Unreal 3 PhysX http://www.unrealtechnology.com/technology.php
Powered by NVIDIA PhysX.
Rigid body physics system supporting player interaction with physical game objects, ragdoll character animation, complex vehicles, and dismemberable objects.
Cloth simulation.
Soft body simulation.
'Physical Material' system that allows per-object or per-surface properties such as friction, sounds and effects.
Physics-driven sound.
Fully integrated support for physics-based vehicles, including player control, AI, and networking.
Gameplay-driven physical animation – capable of driving physics based on animation, and blending the results in many ways.
Unreal PhAT, the visual physics modeling tool built into UnrealEd that supports creation of optimized collision primitives for models and skeletal animated meshes; constraint editing; and interactive physics simulation and tweaking in-editor.
Fracture tool in UnrealEd allows you to take a mesh and break it into pieces.
About Cry 3 http://www.crytek.com/technology/cryengine-3/specifications
Video: http://www.gamespot.com/pc/action/crysis/video/6206970/gdc-2009-crysis-warhead-cryengine-3-demo-video
Demo: http://www.fileplanet.com/197606/190000/fileinfo/CryENGINE-3-Trailer-(HD)
CryENGINE® 3 is the first Xbox 360™, PlayStation® 3, MMO, DX9 and DX10 all-in-one game development solution that is next-gen ready – with scalable computation and graphics technologies. With CryENGINE® 3 you can start the development of your next generation games today. CryENGINE® 3 is the only solution that provides multi-award winning graphics, physics and AI out of the box. The complete game engine suite includes the famous CryENGINE® 3 Sandbox™ editor, a production-proven, 3rd generation tool suite designed and built by AAA developers. CryENGINE® 3 delivers everything you need to create your AAA games.
•Integrated Multi-threaded High Performance Physics Engine
CryENGINE® 3 physics can be applied to almost everything in a game world, including buildings, props, trees and vegetation, to realistically model reactions to forces such as: wind currents, explosions, gravity, friction and collisions with other objects, without the need of external middleware.
•Interactive & Destructible Environments
All environments in CryENGINE® 3 can be dynamically physicalized, regardless of their nature (wood, steel, concrete, natural vegetation, cloth, etc.). This allows procedural destruction of as much of the environment as the game requires. All broken objects or parts can be interactive, with realistic properties such as mass, buoyancy, etc. applied to the debris.
•Advanced Rope Physics
Bendable vegetation which responds to wind, rain or character movement, realistically interactive rope bridges, and physically driven creature tentacle animations are just some of the uses to which we’ve put our rope physics technology.
Bro, I'm going to sum this up real quick for you.
We are not talking about superficial fluff physics that Nvidia is trying to get you all excited about, we are talking about REAL physics. You seem overly excited about glass breaking realistically, but that is just marketing BS and eye candy.
You are way more lost than I thought.
HERE: live and learn bro.
If that isn't enough, here is more CPU based (real) in-game physics: THOUSANDS of physical objects. There are TONS of videos demonstrating what CPU based physic will be doing in games this year. All those Nvidia videos you and your partner keep jerking off over, are superfical fake crap that adds splash and fluff to games.
With the advent of multi-core computing, in game physics has gone CPU. Too bad you are more worried about your ego & marketing, than you are about learning and discussing.
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- Knowledge is power, ive been in school for 28 years!
I think they and you are mistaken on the power of CPU based physics. The only reason the CPU based physics are being touted is because its a game being designed for consoles that rely on CPU for rendering. For current technology, you simply cannot match the power of GPGPU computations when doing massive small scale calculations. The CPU is bound by the amount of threads it can process at one time. In that instance 16. Sure it goes through the threads fast at 3+ ghz, but can it match the power of something doing 1000 small scale calculations at a time at 1 ghz? As long as its not calculating more advanced physics algorythms the GPU will be faster and be capable of more. For games the physics algorythm is already small.