Ok, so ive not played the game. But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!
Waiting to die for upto a minute?
No feedback on hits and misses?
No story line or lore?
No TUTORIAL ?
Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal, Darkfall is fail.
Ok, so ive not played the game. But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect! Waiting to die for upto a minute? No feedback on hits and misses? No story line or lore? No TUTORIAL ? Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal, Darkfall is fail.
So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you? I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.
You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial? Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.
What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses? You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, and the dialog box tells you EXACTLY how much health and stamina your target lost due to your hit. What other feedback do you require?
Storyline and Lore? I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.
Why did you even bother to post to this thread?
As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T. Go back to WoW, carebear.
No one can protect you from what you desire, or from what you fear.
I think the people flaming away at Tasos have missed the point. One crappy review from a no-body, which he could legitimately rip apart using facts, and he has a huge amount of free publicity. He really does get to be the deeply wronged independent developer. He couldn't have had a better "win" for his game if he had taken Eurogamer to court and won a libel suit, which would have taken years.
And on the win point, my 2euros is that they would win, too. A harsh review is quite possibly justified, there are a lot of lingering issues with Darkfall. But not actually playing the game then panning it is just not cricket.
As Darkfall was never meant to be yet another vanilla candyland WoW immitation, most of the current generation of gamers would not immediately see the heritage of and opportunity in this game. They would say "I don't get it", and lament the absence of huge yellow question marks over the quest givers, being too used to walk-through MMOs rather than sand-box games.
Ok, so ive not played the game. But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect! Waiting to die for upto a minute? No feedback on hits and misses? No story line or lore? No TUTORIAL ? Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal, Darkfall is fail.
So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you? I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.
You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial? Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.
What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses? You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, what other feedback do you require?
Storyline and Lore? I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.
Why did you even bother to post to this thread?
As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T. Go back to WoW, carebear.
First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games. Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".
As to the website it is the biggest joke in the genre. It has not been updated in years it seems. Most of the information on the stie is incorrect. Anyone reading it is going to get a very wrong view of the game to start with.
Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label. All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names. It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on.
Glad you are enjoying Darkfall, that is the point of playing a game.
Ok, so ive not played the game. But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect! He makes factual errors in his description of the UI, like stating that it takes 10 seconds to equip a weapon. Waiting to die for upto a minute? The player may "tap out" by hitting the space bar. No feedback on hits and misses? Both visual and auditory feedback are provided for a successful hit. No story line or lore? There is, but one would actually need to follow the various quest chains to experience it. In addition, there is some lore on the website. In my opinion, this is an area that can be built upon over time as CCP has done with EVE. No TUTORIAL ? The beginner quests are the tutorial. These quests lead the player through the various mechanics of the game. These include basic combat, magic use and some of the various types of gathering. Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal, Darkfall is fail. The reviewer is entitled to his opinion. The issue with the review is that many of the arguments the reviewer makes against the game are based simply on false premises.
A couple of months ago I read a review of Darkfall on this website by Paragus Rants, a player in the game. The review seemed to me to be very Objective. More importantly to me, it included enough information for a fan of Asheron's Call, Shadowbane and EVE Online to buy the game and try it out. While waiting to buy the game I noticed that the forums for Darkfall itself were full of posts by Whiners and Haters, as I call them, most of which I ignored, since I am capable of reaching my own conclusions about whether I want to play a particular game. I have played almost every day since I was able to purchase the game and I really enjoy it. BUT IT ISN'T FOR EVERYONE. The developers have a unique vision for what their game should be. In many ways Darkfall is like a lot of games you may have already played, and in many other ways it differs. If you play the game you will discover that if you liked playing Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EVE Online and any other similar MMORPG on a PvP server, then you are likely to enjoy Darkfall. If you are a potential buyer who makes decisions based on reviews, then I recommend reading the excellent reviews by Paragus Rants. I haven't bothered to look at the Eurogamer review, since I am already in game. I recommend the game personally, but you may not like the very individual choices made by the developers. They have a very firm idea of what they want their game to be. So far I like their choices. The only real problem in the game is the same problem a player faces in any game - new players on the server will have a bit of a challenge coping with players who were on since the first month. But this is true in all of these games. If and when there is a new server, whether Eropean or American, there will be a slightly better opportunity to play on a level field, but late comers to PvP games will always be behind the curve to veteran players, regardless of the game. So, no problem. Just get in a guild and get good at what you like to do best. And remember, it may be PvP but it is still a game. Enjoy yourself and have a good time. And when you stop having fun, find a different way to spend your time. If you keep doing something you don't enjoy, and become a Whiner and a Hater, you have also become a Fool, if you weren't one already. See Dick play, see Dick lose interest. See Dick keep playing and start whining. Don't be a Dick.
Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?
I have an apple to sell. Its rotten, its breeding worms, but its the best.
Only the best and few exclusive can muster the guts to eat it, only the wise will know that this is the apple from the Eden Garden. Worry not you will be sick after a bite, worry not the apple is actually not the Eden apple, just believe and you will have salvation.
Oh come on, you told us its not for the majority, that does not mean its good, it could easily be that DF is so bad any sane person will shun it.
Evaluation of a game is by its features, not by availability. After all its a digital product, the only availability is the choking supply artificially created by stupid AV. Nothing special about it. Feature wise DF sucks, this is about the consensus of just about everyone except a handful few. The few are special, wise or stupid.
Are the few handful few wise? From the way they talk, the exact oppposite. This about sums up my case.
Ok, so ive not played the game. But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect! Waiting to die for upto a minute? No feedback on hits and misses? No story line or lore? No TUTORIAL ? Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal, Darkfall is fail.
As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T. Go back to WoW, carebear.
First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games. Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".
Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label. All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names. It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on.
You use the phrase "discuss(ion about) a game" twice in defending Criticism of a game by someone who admittedly has NEVER played. Someone who hasn't played a game has no right to express an opinion about it, since (s)he has no first-hand knowledge. You can claim that everyone has a right to their opinion, but in fact, that so called "right" is a privilege earned by those with factual knowledge. I make this claim because the one expressing the opinion does so in a forum with the expectation of being taken seriously. No one can take such an opinion seriously when everything they have to say that matters, ie related to gameplay, is based on someone else's opinion. I could respect their opinion if it was their own, instead of someone else's that they have regurgitated.
I use the terms whiners and haters according to my own definition, which loosely is anyone who makes a decision to do one thing and then, when they decide they should have made a decision to do something else, they blame someone else for their bad decision. Everyone goes out (or in) and throws their money and time away on a variety of diversioons. Sometimes they do it blindly, taking a chance on satisfaction. Sometimes they do it based on recommendations and other information. Not everyone is going to be satisfied with what they spend their money on every time. Get over it. Make a better decision next time. Better yet, stop throwing away your time and money on diversions and get a real life, instead. No one who IS satisfied with the choice they made wants to listen to a bunch of whiners pissing and moaning about their dissatisfaction, or filling up forums with hateful remarks about the people responsible for the game (or whatever) that failed to satisfy. You tried it and didn't like it? Hey, better luck next time. Please go one about your business.
I don't much like the term carebear, or the phrase go back to WoW. I don't even know what most people mean by carebear when they use the term, except what I can infer from context, and there's nothing wrong with WoW, it appeals to the masses. But there seems to be a mindset which, when encountered, eveokes this reaction: the desire to banish the offending party - that would be Sadeyx, in this case - back to the masses from which he seems to have ventured. The phrase that embodies that reaction is, "Go back to WoW, carebear". Whatever carebear means, it seems to fit the context. Your criticism would be just if the person who had earned the label carebear (within the phrase as used) had ever played the game. Since he is not qualified to discuss the game due to lack of first hand experience, he is doubly disqualified to criticise it. You don't have to be a fanboy with blinders on to see the injustice in coming onto a forum and puting down a game you never played.
"Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?
Orthedos, what are you even talking about? Do you imagine that I work for Aventurine? You've got to be kidding me. Saying something is not for everyone is almost trite. even WoW is not for everyone. Although it tries pretty hard. But, somehow, people get the idea that everything new should appeal to everyone, and anyone who finds something less than satisfying must have been cheated. That is simply ridiculous. You take your chance, you spend a little money, you spend a little time, and if you discover that the experience doesn't suit you, you try again somewhere else. that's how it is. That's how it will be for your entire life. If you haven't figured that out yet, whoever you are out there reading this, you might as well get used to it now.
No one can protect you from what you desire, or from what you fear.
A couple of months ago I read a review of Darkfall on this website by Paragus Rants, a player in the game. The review seemed to me to be very Objective. More importantly to me, it included enough information for a fan of Asheron's Call, Shadowbane and EVE Online to buy the game and try it out. While waiting to buy the game I noticed that the forums for Darkfall itself were full of posts by Whiners and Haters, as I call them, most of which I ignored, since I am capable of reaching my own conclusions about whether I want to play a particular game. I have played almost every day since I was able to purchase the game and I really enjoy it. BUT IT ISN'T FOR EVERYONE. The developers have a unique vision for what their game should be. In many ways Darkfall is like a lot of games you may have already played, and in many other ways it differs. If you play the game you will discover that if you liked playing Asheron's Call, Shadowbane, EVE Online and any other similar MMORPG on a PvP server, then you are likely to enjoy Darkfall. If you are a potential buyer who makes decisions based on reviews, then I recommend reading the excellent reviews by Paragus Rants. I haven't bothered to look at the Eurogamer review, since I am already in game. I recommend the game personally, but you may not like the very individual choices made by the developers. They have a very firm idea of what they want their game to be. So far I like their choices. The only real problem in the game is the same problem a player faces in any game - new players on the server will have a bit of a challenge coping with players who were on since the first month. But this is true in all of these games. If and when there is a new server, whether Eropean or American, there will be a slightly better opportunity to play on a level field, but late comers to PvP games will always be behind the curve to veteran players, regardless of the game. So, no problem. Just get in a guild and get good at what you like to do best. And remember, it may be PvP but it is still a game. Enjoy yourself and have a good time. And when you stop having fun, find a different way to spend your time. If you keep doing something you don't enjoy, and become a Whiner and a Hater, you have also become a Fool, if you weren't one already. See Dick play, see Dick lose interest. See Dick keep playing and start whining. Don't be a Dick.
Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?
I have an apple to sell. Its rotten, its breeding worms, but its the best.
Only the best and few exclusive can muster the guts to eat it, only the wise will know that this is the apple from the Eden Garden. Worry not you will be sick after a bite, worry not the apple is actually not the Eden apple, just believe and you will have salvation.
Oh come on, you told us its not for the majority, that does not mean its good, it could easily be that DF is so bad any sane person will shun it.
Evaluation of a game is by its features, not by availability. After all its a digital product, the only availability is the choking supply artificially created by stupid AV. Nothing special about it. Feature wise DF sucks, this is about the consensus of just about everyone except a handful few. The few are special, wise or stupid.
Are the few handful few wise? From the way they talk, the exact oppposite. This about sums up my case.
This game is nothing more than an exercise to extract money by false pretences
EG is has hit the nail on the head with their review - Darkfall is utter rubbish.
I have to wonder... if 2 hrs of playing time by a reviewer had resulted in a 8/10 score would we even know that it was only 2 hours? I think not. I think Aventurine would have taken the positive review and ran with it and no one would have been the wiser,
Tasos is making a big deal out of the amount of time the reviewer spent with the game before deciding he hated it. The amount of time seems pretty small--although I myself have spent about this much on some games (Dawn of Magic, anyone?) before coming to my own conclusion that they were a complete POS--but I wonder how often this happens and produces positive reviews that are then used by the game company to promote its game,
Doesn't everyone already know that game reviews produced by game sites should be taken with a grain of salt? That they are at best, questionable and that there is often an uncomfortably cozy relationship between the gaming company and the site that publishes the review?
Tasos is whining about this being an unprofesional biased review. Personaly, I'm enjoying seeing a review that deviates from the conventional scale that very rarely strays from the 6/10 to 9/10 range where almost all reviews fall.
My take is that Aventurine didn't spend enough time wining and dining and giving "exclusives" to Eurogamer to massage a favorable review out of them... live and learn
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I bet if you added all this publicity together youd realize that with just one bad review DFO has saved thousands on advertisement fees. Theres literally a hundres different forums discussing this game in lenght now. Tens of web-comic depicting a carebear reviewer in a PvP game getting raped. You cant buy that stuff, but evidently you can get it, by making a nish orineted game and having it reviewed by a non-nish player.
"We now fixed most of the things you complained about. Our game is better than ever. Thanks for the free publicity."
First) Eurogamer and EDGE magazine are eurotrash review sites that commonly trash solid games for publicity/ sales. Then they turn back on their points, and then go ahead and give a game like "PARTY BABIES" or something for the wii (its a real game and its true) a 9 out of 10. And they gave MGS4 a 7 out of 10, and Killzone2 at 7 out of 10 (or was it 8?) anyway, they purposefully are biased in their reviews and i honestly believe the chat logs were most likely right about the situation.
The kid most likely didn't even play the game for more than2 hours, and i know for a fact MMO's log user login times and chat logs. They most likely were telling the truth when calling them out.
But it doesn't excuse Darkfall being a poorly made game.
I bet if you added all this publicity together youd realize that with just one bad review DFO has saved thousands on advertisement fees. Theres literally a hundres different forums discussing this game in lenght now. Tens of web-comic depicting a carebear reviewer in a PvP game getting raped. You cant buy that stuff, but evidently you can get it, by making a nish orineted game and having it reviewed by a non-nish player.
"We now fixed most of the things you complained about. Our game is better than ever. Thanks for the free publicity." Priceless.
Uhm, it is better to be unknown then to get this kind of publicity. A really bad review never helps and devs acting like children is not good either.
The review was crappy, that is true but with this kind of publicity many potential customers will stay far from the game.
There are certain things you shouldn't say if you work in a company. Why do you think companys like Mythic, SOE and Funcom never commented their bad reviews? Because Tasos is a genius? Hardly.
This is costing DF a lot in the long run and the guys at Mortal online must be laughing.
First) Eurogamer and EDGE magazine are eurotrash review sites that commonly trash solid games for publicity/ sales. Then they turn back on their points, and then go ahead and give a game like "PARTY BABIES" or something for the wii (its a real game and its true) a 9 out of 10. And they gave MGS4 a 7 out of 10, and Killzone2 at 7 out of 10 (or was it 8?) anyway, they purposefully are biased in their reviews and i honestly believe the chat logs were most likely right about the situation.
The kid most likely didn't even play the game for more than2 hours, and i know for a fact MMO's log user login times and chat logs. They most likely were telling the truth when calling them out.
But it doesn't excuse Darkfall being a poorly made game.
Actually Eurogamer gave Killzone 2 a 9/10 and I can't find anything of this baby game you have spoken of. So where is this so called bias?
i don't get it. EUROGAMER can write whatever they want but if DF can deliver something good people will simply play it and ignore any reviews. And bad publicity is better then no publiity so it's all up to DF to show is it worth it. Let's take SWG for example, no matter how many good reviews it gets people will simply not play it since it sucks for 99% of players out there. Market will speak it's mind, and if I was DF marketing manager I would not sweat it over a simple review.
Yes, Eurogamer can write whatever they want but if it's discovered that they are misrepresenting themselves then their reviews won't be taken seriously. Unfortunately for Tasos, nothing in the Eurogamer review of Darkfall has been proven to be false.
The rating is obviously distorted and deceptive. Opinion and ranting, any proof? On a scale from 1 to 10, an average MMO should be 5. Why? What is your definition of average? The tallest man is around 2.3m say and the shortest man is under 1m, so the average height of all man is 1.25m? come on, just making a scale of 1 to 10 =/= 10 is the average. Having a thermometer with scale from 0 to 100 degree celsus does not mean the average temperature to be 50. Your argument is stupid, to say the least. Considering all the MMOs out there, Darkfall is above average. Your view. Verl lonely view. Practically everyone who talks about it gives it 1/10 to 4/10. And that is by EG's scale, meaning stay away from it. 4/10 is appalling. The review is the bias ramblings of a snot-nosed WoW kid that was paid off. Baseless accusation and blind hatred, and have to bring in WoW without ground, b/c you have nothing else to argue with. 2 hours of review, or even if it was 20, is not enough to review an MMO. For your same argument, it takes a week before a doctor can diagnose a sick patient. For very subtle disease, it takes a while to figure it out, for very serious bleeding patient with open wounds, the doctor can immediately make judgment and call for surgery. In the case of DF, being so dead, you can smell it from a mile. Poor Zit has to suffer a few hours to confirm that it really stinks worse than limits of imagination. A solid review of an MMO requires at least a month. If you buy a loaf of bread and found that bugs were flying out of the bag as you open it, will you force yourself to finish the loaf before telling me its rotten? I hope not. This Eurogamer review is a shallow sham and so is the kid that wrote it... Groundless personal insults.
Ed Zitron of Darkfall Eurogamer review:
If you really have a point, mention it. Using totally irrelevant pictures and meaningless rants won't establish any good faith or credit.
When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10
DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.
The rating is obviously distorted and deceptive. On a scale from 1 to 10, an average MMO should be 5. Considering all the MMOs out there, Darkfall is above average. The review is the bias ramblings of a snot-nosed WoW kid that was paid off. 2 hours of review, or even if it was 20, is not enough to review an MMO. A solid review of an MMO requires at least a month. This Eurogamer review is a shallow sham and so is the kid that wrote it...
How about you go through his review and point out each item he gave a low score on and give us info on why he is wrong !
That would be more constructive.
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When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10
DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.
We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September). No idea if Mortal online or others are coming. Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.
No point to even consider DF by the end of the year. For me at least. Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.
When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10
DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.
We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September). No idea if Mortal online or others are coming. Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.
No point to even consider DF by the end of the year. For me at least. Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.
Yes, but other people might feel differently. These games are not for everyone. So, by the end of this year, the Darkfall group might be really pleased with their product.
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When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10
DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.
We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September). No idea if Mortal online or others are coming. Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.
No point to even consider DF by the end of the year. For me at least. Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.
Yes, but other people might feel differently. These games are not for everyone. So, by the end of this year, the Darkfall group might be really pleased with their product.
Too bad, even for its niche market share, it is facing MO by the end of the year. I understand that Champions Online is not exactly a substitute for DFo fans, but MO and to a lesser extent Aion are direct competitors, head on.
So if you are looking into the time frame of another 6-8 months, DFo is facing its demise. If MO is launched without such total fiasco (and who can screw up worse than DFo? Not even a monkey can manage that feat), if Aion localised to NA, DFo will have little appeal to the market, unless someone must play DFo and nothing else.
I am not a gamer by type, I play anything that holds my attention. Multiple sub is entirely acceptable. I pay 4xmonthly sub now. I have room for one or 2 more easily, Champion online is a must, Aion maybe, DFo hardly. Not because its a ffa pvp, but b/c DFo is a pile of dirt.
Personally, I don't care if they play Darkfall, Aion, Hello Kitty, whatever. Just as long as most of the pvp morons stay away from Champions Online. To them, it's the whatever latest game. To me, it's a part of my role-playing history. I don't need them screwing it up by pressuring the devs to "balance" things for PvP. I hate that crap.
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When I first saw the video I thought to myself
"OMG Thats looks shocking"
After reading that review my only thought is
"I think 2/10 is a bit generous"
Ok, so ive not played the game. But even if the reviews "opinion" is a bit distorted, I dont see anyone claiming that his description of the UI is incorrect!
Waiting to die for upto a minute?
No feedback on hits and misses?
No story line or lore?
No TUTORIAL ?
Lawl, I dont care if if the review was personal, Darkfall is fail.
So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you? I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.
You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial? Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.
What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses? You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, and the dialog box tells you EXACTLY how much health and stamina your target lost due to your hit. What other feedback do you require?
Storyline and Lore? I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.
Why did you even bother to post to this thread?
As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T. Go back to WoW, carebear.
No one can protect you from what you desire, or from what you fear.
I think the people flaming away at Tasos have missed the point. One crappy review from a no-body, which he could legitimately rip apart using facts, and he has a huge amount of free publicity. He really does get to be the deeply wronged independent developer. He couldn't have had a better "win" for his game if he had taken Eurogamer to court and won a libel suit, which would have taken years.
And on the win point, my 2euros is that they would win, too. A harsh review is quite possibly justified, there are a lot of lingering issues with Darkfall. But not actually playing the game then panning it is just not cricket.
As Darkfall was never meant to be yet another vanilla candyland WoW immitation, most of the current generation of gamers would not immediately see the heritage of and opportunity in this game. They would say "I don't get it", and lament the absence of huge yellow question marks over the quest givers, being too used to walk-through MMOs rather than sand-box games.
So you think it is "Fail" to give your party up to a minute to find an opportunity to revive you? I guess you are too fail to find out that you can terminate the clock yourself after a few seconds if you aren't in a party situation where someone is available to revive you.
You haven't played, which makes your comments fail by default, but who says their is no tutorial? Like many games your beginner quests are the tutorial.
What do you even mean by feedback on hits and misses? You hit, you see blood, you see the health meter go down, what other feedback do you require?
Storyline and Lore? I guess you haven't been to the website in addition to not having played.
Why did you even bother to post to this thread?
As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T. Go back to WoW, carebear.
First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games. Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".
As to the website it is the biggest joke in the genre. It has not been updated in years it seems. Most of the information on the stie is incorrect. Anyone reading it is going to get a very wrong view of the game to start with.
Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label. All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names. It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on.
Glad you are enjoying Darkfall, that is the point of playing a game.
Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?
I have an apple to sell. Its rotten, its breeding worms, but its the best.
Only the best and few exclusive can muster the guts to eat it, only the wise will know that this is the apple from the Eden Garden. Worry not you will be sick after a bite, worry not the apple is actually not the Eden apple, just believe and you will have salvation.
Oh come on, you told us its not for the majority, that does not mean its good, it could easily be that DF is so bad any sane person will shun it.
Evaluation of a game is by its features, not by availability. After all its a digital product, the only availability is the choking supply artificially created by stupid AV. Nothing special about it. Feature wise DF sucks, this is about the consensus of just about everyone except a handful few. The few are special, wise or stupid.
Are the few handful few wise? From the way they talk, the exact oppposite. This about sums up my case.
As much as I despise the following phrase, It fits you to a T. Go back to WoW, carebear.
First off, soon as you use "hater" in your posts you automatically label yourself as one of those posters who can't stand anyone who criticizes their games. Pretty hard to have a discussion about a game when you want to label any critics as "haters".
Then you had to throw out the "carebear" label. All I have to say is, learn to discuss a game without calling those that disagree names. It just makes you look like a silly fanboy running around with blinders on.
You use the phrase "discuss(ion about) a game" twice in defending Criticism of a game by someone who admittedly has NEVER played. Someone who hasn't played a game has no right to express an opinion about it, since (s)he has no first-hand knowledge. You can claim that everyone has a right to their opinion, but in fact, that so called "right" is a privilege earned by those with factual knowledge. I make this claim because the one expressing the opinion does so in a forum with the expectation of being taken seriously. No one can take such an opinion seriously when everything they have to say that matters, ie related to gameplay, is based on someone else's opinion. I could respect their opinion if it was their own, instead of someone else's that they have regurgitated.
I use the terms whiners and haters according to my own definition, which loosely is anyone who makes a decision to do one thing and then, when they decide they should have made a decision to do something else, they blame someone else for their bad decision. Everyone goes out (or in) and throws their money and time away on a variety of diversioons. Sometimes they do it blindly, taking a chance on satisfaction. Sometimes they do it based on recommendations and other information. Not everyone is going to be satisfied with what they spend their money on every time. Get over it. Make a better decision next time. Better yet, stop throwing away your time and money on diversions and get a real life, instead. No one who IS satisfied with the choice they made wants to listen to a bunch of whiners pissing and moaning about their dissatisfaction, or filling up forums with hateful remarks about the people responsible for the game (or whatever) that failed to satisfy. You tried it and didn't like it? Hey, better luck next time. Please go one about your business.
I don't much like the term carebear, or the phrase go back to WoW. I don't even know what most people mean by carebear when they use the term, except what I can infer from context, and there's nothing wrong with WoW, it appeals to the masses. But there seems to be a mindset which, when encountered, eveokes this reaction: the desire to banish the offending party - that would be Sadeyx, in this case - back to the masses from which he seems to have ventured. The phrase that embodies that reaction is, "Go back to WoW, carebear". Whatever carebear means, it seems to fit the context. Your criticism would be just if the person who had earned the label carebear (within the phrase as used) had ever played the game. Since he is not qualified to discuss the game due to lack of first hand experience, he is doubly disqualified to criticise it. You don't have to be a fanboy with blinders on to see the injustice in coming onto a forum and puting down a game you never played.
"Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?
Orthedos, what are you even talking about? Do you imagine that I work for Aventurine? You've got to be kidding me. Saying something is not for everyone is almost trite. even WoW is not for everyone. Although it tries pretty hard. But, somehow, people get the idea that everything new should appeal to everyone, and anyone who finds something less than satisfying must have been cheated. That is simply ridiculous. You take your chance, you spend a little money, you spend a little time, and if you discover that the experience doesn't suit you, you try again somewhere else. that's how it is. That's how it will be for your entire life. If you haven't figured that out yet, whoever you are out there reading this, you might as well get used to it now.
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Is this not the typical sales tactics of "exclusivity"?
I have an apple to sell. Its rotten, its breeding worms, but its the best.
Only the best and few exclusive can muster the guts to eat it, only the wise will know that this is the apple from the Eden Garden. Worry not you will be sick after a bite, worry not the apple is actually not the Eden apple, just believe and you will have salvation.
Oh come on, you told us its not for the majority, that does not mean its good, it could easily be that DF is so bad any sane person will shun it.
Evaluation of a game is by its features, not by availability. After all its a digital product, the only availability is the choking supply artificially created by stupid AV. Nothing special about it. Feature wise DF sucks, this is about the consensus of just about everyone except a handful few. The few are special, wise or stupid.
Are the few handful few wise? From the way they talk, the exact oppposite. This about sums up my case.
This game is nothing more than an exercise to extract money by false pretences
EG is has hit the nail on the head with their review - Darkfall is utter rubbish.
I have to wonder... if 2 hrs of playing time by a reviewer had resulted in a 8/10 score would we even know that it was only 2 hours? I think not. I think Aventurine would have taken the positive review and ran with it and no one would have been the wiser,
Tasos is making a big deal out of the amount of time the reviewer spent with the game before deciding he hated it. The amount of time seems pretty small--although I myself have spent about this much on some games (Dawn of Magic, anyone?) before coming to my own conclusion that they were a complete POS--but I wonder how often this happens and produces positive reviews that are then used by the game company to promote its game,
Doesn't everyone already know that game reviews produced by game sites should be taken with a grain of salt? That they are at best, questionable and that there is often an uncomfortably cozy relationship between the gaming company and the site that publishes the review?
Tasos is whining about this being an unprofesional biased review. Personaly, I'm enjoying seeing a review that deviates from the conventional scale that very rarely strays from the 6/10 to 9/10 range where almost all reviews fall.
My take is that Aventurine didn't spend enough time wining and dining and giving "exclusives" to Eurogamer to massage a favorable review out of them... live and learn
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I bet if you added all this publicity together youd realize that with just one bad review DFO has saved thousands on advertisement fees. Theres literally a hundres different forums discussing this game in lenght now. Tens of web-comic depicting a carebear reviewer in a PvP game getting raped. You cant buy that stuff, but evidently you can get it, by making a nish orineted game and having it reviewed by a non-nish player.
"We now fixed most of the things you complained about. Our game is better than ever. Thanks for the free publicity."
Priceless.
negative publicity =/= advertisement
First) Eurogamer and EDGE magazine are eurotrash review sites that commonly trash solid games for publicity/ sales. Then they turn back on their points, and then go ahead and give a game like "PARTY BABIES" or something for the wii (its a real game and its true) a 9 out of 10. And they gave MGS4 a 7 out of 10, and Killzone2 at 7 out of 10 (or was it 8?) anyway, they purposefully are biased in their reviews and i honestly believe the chat logs were most likely right about the situation.
The kid most likely didn't even play the game for more than2 hours, and i know for a fact MMO's log user login times and chat logs. They most likely were telling the truth when calling them out.
But it doesn't excuse Darkfall being a poorly made game.
Uhm, it is better to be unknown then to get this kind of publicity. A really bad review never helps and devs acting like children is not good either.
The review was crappy, that is true but with this kind of publicity many potential customers will stay far from the game.
There are certain things you shouldn't say if you work in a company. Why do you think companys like Mythic, SOE and Funcom never commented their bad reviews? Because Tasos is a genius? Hardly.
This is costing DF a lot in the long run and the guys at Mortal online must be laughing.
Actually Eurogamer gave Killzone 2 a 9/10 and I can't find anything of this baby game you have spoken of. So where is this so called bias?
Yes, Eurogamer can write whatever they want but if it's discovered that they are misrepresenting themselves then their reviews won't be taken seriously. Unfortunately for Tasos, nothing in the Eurogamer review of Darkfall has been proven to be false.
The rating is obviously distorted and deceptive.
On a scale from 1 to 10, an average MMO should be 5.
Considering all the MMOs out there, Darkfall is above average.
The review is the bias ramblings of a snot-nosed WoW kid that was paid off.
2 hours of review, or even if it was 20, is not enough to review an MMO.
A solid review of an MMO requires at least a month.
This Eurogamer review is a shallow sham and so is the kid that wrote it...
Ed Zitron of Darkfall Eurogamer review:
If you really have a point, mention it. Using totally irrelevant pictures and meaningless rants won't establish any good faith or credit.
When I started I would have given DF 2/10 but now that I've played it for two months and I'd give it 5/10
DF has already came long way from release and AV continues giving us a patch every week...so before this year is done, i might lift the rating to 7/10.
How about you go through his review and point out each item he gave a low score on and give us info on why he is wrong !
That would be more constructive.
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We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September). No idea if Mortal online or others are coming. Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.
No point to even consider DF by the end of the year. For me at least. Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.
We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September). No idea if Mortal online or others are coming. Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.
No point to even consider DF by the end of the year. For me at least. Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.
Yes, but other people might feel differently. These games are not for everyone. So, by the end of this year, the Darkfall group might be really pleased with their product.
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ya i feel differently just started playing today. first look at the game and i give it a 6.4/10 not bad at all.
we will just have to see where it goes from here.
We will have Champions online before this year is done (latest date is September). No idea if Mortal online or others are coming. Aion is already going good in Asia, NA release will be another option.
No point to even consider DF by the end of the year. For me at least. Not now, and evidently even less reason later on.
Yes, but other people might feel differently. These games are not for everyone. So, by the end of this year, the Darkfall group might be really pleased with their product.
Too bad, even for its niche market share, it is facing MO by the end of the year. I understand that Champions Online is not exactly a substitute for DFo fans, but MO and to a lesser extent Aion are direct competitors, head on.
So if you are looking into the time frame of another 6-8 months, DFo is facing its demise. If MO is launched without such total fiasco (and who can screw up worse than DFo? Not even a monkey can manage that feat), if Aion localised to NA, DFo will have little appeal to the market, unless someone must play DFo and nothing else.
I am not a gamer by type, I play anything that holds my attention. Multiple sub is entirely acceptable. I pay 4xmonthly sub now. I have room for one or 2 more easily, Champion online is a must, Aion maybe, DFo hardly. Not because its a ffa pvp, but b/c DFo is a pile of dirt.
Personally, I don't care if they play Darkfall, Aion, Hello Kitty, whatever. Just as long as most of the pvp morons stay away from Champions Online. To them, it's the whatever latest game. To me, it's a part of my role-playing history. I don't need them screwing it up by pressuring the devs to "balance" things for PvP. I hate that crap.
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