First off 3/4 of the money Blizzard makes off of Wow comes from the americas and europe. The chinese version is nice for the extra income, but most certainly won't dethrone Wow. Aion is ok but has a long way to go to beat Wow. So basically your argument is very hollow.
I know Asia has different paying model, but how did you come up with a "3/4" number?
Frankly, when I started this topic, I didn't meant to make it a AION promotion topic. If WoW lost Chinese subscribers, it will be a major impact for them no doubt and with it subscribers number cut by that much, surely there's a chance for a lot of other games to step up. I just think at this time, AION seems more suitable than any other games consider it's already dominate the Korean market and now growing very fast in Chinese market. If Shanda and NCSoft know what they are doing, this event will be like a gift from god to them. So, AION or not AION, I don't think it matters. If anyone else has a better candidate, I would like to here it.
I think you over exaggerate here. Bliz changed their provider/reseller or whatever. but the provider does not have control of the intellectual property they are reselling or providing access to. If you live in China, you will still be playing Blizzard's WoW. This will not be like it was with SOE when SOE absorbed VG. Sure, Bliz will lose some people, but not a lot. They will lose those who dont realize that reseller does not have control over the game. as an optimist, I believe people are generally intelligent, most chinese people will realize that nothing changed except for the provider. if the new provider is more or less the same as old, the change will go unnoticed completely.
It will go unnoticed if there is noone trying to stab them in the back now does it? The piece of cake that The9 had was too big, it drives every company insane. They will fight like mad dog for it. As far as I know, Chinese law stated that as long as there is dispute between a local company and a foreign company in court, the product will be examine for a termination. You don't think that council or whoever make that decision can be lobbied? It will be a massive fight and it would be very entertaining to watch I asure you.
Also, mind you that each provider in China has a reputation. Much like it is here in the US. So, switching from one operator to another isnt so simple.
Yes but their provider remains Chinese. Would they really terminate Blizzard, who pays taxes and employs Chinese people? They haven't outsourced Chinese provider to another country, so they will still be paying China taxes, infrastructure, employ Chinese people. From the government standpoint, nothing changed.
10000 people were employed before the switch, 10000 are employed after the change. They paid 1million $ were paid in taxes before the change, 1 million $ are paid after the change. yes, The9 is hurt badly, but that's their problem. As long as this does not concern China (and it doesn't), then there wont be much problems.
(numbers above are pure fiction, they are there to illustrate the point, nothing else)
"PARIS, France. – 22 January, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season.World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia"
Also Frostbite05, Aion is not in any way an asian grinder and its gameplay is VERY different from Lineage 2. I suggest you do a bit more research on a game before you post misinformed comments about it.
Did and played it. Sure there are more quests and a flight system but at its core its an asian grinder later in the game. So make sure you know what your talking about before you talk buddy.
Grind isnt any more asian than Daoc's. How many asian grinders have you played? Did you even play L2 to compare it with Aion? Cause I got a level 50 (max) sorcerer within a month in Aion questing 80% of the time, and my best in L2 is a level 77 (85 being max) Plains walker after 2 years playing.
And that i can agree with you on. There are many different ways to grind in MMO's. Some just mask the grind better than others. Yes i did have the pleasure of playing lineage II and Im very thankful that they eased the pain of the grind in Aion but there still is one. An Asian grinder by its definition is a game that you have to grind at some point to hit max level. Western games on the other hand have people question 100% of the time to hit level cap. However, this is just another form of grinding but it is the accepted method on this side of the world. For that reason i say the Aion won't be as popular in the west as it will in the east.
"PARIS, France. – 22 January, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season.World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia"
Also Frostbite05, Aion is not in any way an asian grinder and its gameplay is VERY different from Lineage 2. I suggest you do a bit more research on a game before you post misinformed comments about it.
Did and played it. Sure there are more quests and a flight system but at its core its an asian grinder later in the game. So make sure you know what your talking about before you talk buddy.
The game is quest driven through out the vast majority of the experience. It takes hardcore gamers about a year of hardcore playing to reach the cap level in Lineage 2. There are now already lots of people on the cap or near the cap in Aion and it's only been released a while ago. To say that it's the same as Lineage 2 is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.
The game is build with a casual audience in mind, not the hardcore like Lineage 2. Also, why would NCsoft create a game that competes with its own franchise? That doesn't make any logical sense.
"PARIS, France. – 22 January, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season.World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia"
Also Frostbite05, Aion is not in any way an asian grinder and its gameplay is VERY different from Lineage 2. I suggest you do a bit more research on a game before you post misinformed comments about it.
Did and played it. Sure there are more quests and a flight system but at its core its an asian grinder later in the game. So make sure you know what your talking about before you talk buddy.
Grind isnt any more asian than Daoc's. How many asian grinders have you played? Did you even play L2 to compare it with Aion? Cause I got a level 50 (max) sorcerer within a month in Aion questing 80% of the time, and my best in L2 is a level 77 (85 being max) Plains walker after 2 years playing.
And that i can agree with you on. There are many different ways to grind in MMO's. Some just mask the grind better than others. Yes i did have the pleasure of playing lineage II and Im very thankful that they eased the pain of the grind in Aion but there still is one. An Asian grinder by its definition is a game that you have to grind at some point to hit max level. Western games on the other hand have people question 100% of the time to hit level cap. However, this is just another form of grinding but it is the accepted method on this side of the world. For that reason i say the Aion won't be as popular in the west as it will in the east.
No they don't. Ultima Online didn't have this, Everquest didn't have this, Star Wars Galaxies didn't have this either, nor does The Saga of Ryzom or EVE Online.
What if The9 out of spite wipes all the player characters from it's servers?
The data is Blizz's properteh I think. It would also piss off milllions of people. So honestly, that would be a kind of angry kid's response from them and the quickest way to never be asked to host another game again.
No single game will top WoW. At least not for a very very long time. Eventually new games will take small chunks of the WoW playerbase and over time as well as older players losing interest, it will lose players this way. Blizzard will contribute to this with their next MMO too. This hasn't started yet though because WoW is actually still growing and the new games coming out have quite frankly sucked. I think the genre would be a lot better if everyone stopped measuring games to WoW and instead to other successful games like LoTRO, FFXI, EQ and Lineage series etc. Game developers should make niche games and aim for a population of a couple hundred thousand to maybe over a million. Trying to develop another gigantic hit like WoW is not realistic.
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
Eh, why wouldn't they count? Seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn't include Asian numbers?
Even if we remove asian numbers for som inexplicable reason, there are still 5 ~ 6 million US/EU subscribers. To put that in context, the 2nd biggest western mmorpg ever did not even have half a million subscribers.
I agree with the fact that many people compare things to WoW. Has everyone forgotten that WoW was not origional? It took ideas from every other MMOs most succesful points and merged them into one. Now one of the huge reasons why Blizzard did so good with World of Warcraft was the simple fact that they made Diabo. Diablo2 StarCraft etc.....Those games had massive followings througout the world. Hell Korea plays Starcraft as its national sports. Yes they have teams like we have the Red Sox or the Yankees. There are specific arenas and such just for that. That is one of the biggest things people forget when it comes to WoW. Much of why they had such success is that they had those games to spart interest in their MMO. The companies making these games now a days dont have many games in the background to look at. This means they dont have as big of a fan base to pull to their game. Now granted WoW did great I played it since beta. I have to admit. I played the game for 5years and only played because Id been playing gmes with the people I was gaming with for years. Wow is easy to pick up and quick to get into. Its easy to play when you first get in. It has a lot going for it. but somone will come out with a game or several that will slowly chip away at WoW. I play EQ,EQ2, Perfect World International and a few other games I notice an influx of people lately leaving WoW and coming to others. So who knows but I think the only reason people compare the games to WoW is well....WoW has so many people most people looking at an MMO coming out have seen or played WoW. Thats My 2cents.
I agree with the fact that many people compare things to WoW. Has everyone forgotten that WoW was not origional? It took ideas from every other MMOs most succesful points and merged them into one. Now one of the huge reasons why Blizzard did so good with World of Warcraft was the simple fact that they made Diabo. Diablo2 StarCraft etc.....Those games had massive followings througout the world. Hell Korea plays Starcraft as its national sports. Yes they have teams like we have the Red Sox or the Yankees. There are specific arenas and such just for that. That is one of the biggest things people forget when it comes to WoW. Much of why they had such success is that they had those games to spart interest in their MMO. The companies making these games now a days dont have many games in the background to look at. This means they dont have as big of a fan base to pull to their game. Now granted WoW did great I played it since beta. I have to admit. I played the game for 5years and only played because Id been playing gmes with the people I was gaming with for years. Wow is easy to pick up and quick to get into. Its easy to play when you first get in. It has a lot going for it. but somone will come out with a game or several that will slowly chip away at WoW. I play EQ,EQ2, Perfect World International and a few other games I notice an influx of people lately leaving WoW and coming to others. So who knows but I think the only reason people compare the games to WoW is well....WoW has so many people most people looking at an MMO coming out have seen or played WoW. Thats My 2cents.
For many WoW was the original. This is why it is such a mammoth, because it brought people to the mmorpg genre that were never there before. It opened the market share for mmo's to a whole new level. This is a good thing for mmo's.
No WoW was not my first mmo, I played FFXI before WoW but FFXI was my first mmorpg and I still compare games I play to it. It's just the way we are. I am not sure what it will take to topple WoW...I am fairly certain that time will be the ultimate "wow killer" more and more mmo's come out with better graphics, developers learn that you don't have to reinvent the wheel just tweek it enough to make it interesting then polish it, and more. Will there ever be ONE game to take down WoW...who knows. I don't think anyone expected WoW to get this big orginally. I doubt we will know with the next one either. It will be interesting to watch though.
I myself will try Aion because I too am tired of the same ol same ol in WoW!
As for whats going on in China, I think that people will deal with a lot of hassle to play the games they like. Customer Service knows this and thats why it's hard to get them to listen until they start to feel it in the wallet. So I think it's a wait and see thing.
Currently Playing: FFXIV:ARR Looking Forward to: Wildstar
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
Eh, why wouldn't they count? Seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn't include Asian numbers?
Even if we remove asian numbers for som inexplicable reason, there are still 5 ~ 6 million US/EU subscribers. To put that in context, the 2nd biggest western mmorpg ever did not even have half a million subscribers.
How do most people pay for WoW in asia? by the minute or hour time cards? So a player could play WoW with a card like that for 30 minutes and blizzard counts them as a sub for the entire quarter or year?
Blizzard is fudging the numbers, I'm glad Aion is punking WoW in those countries.
Edit: better change your WoW sub praising to WoW the leading MMO in Euro and NA... well until TOR releases and punks WoW in NA/Euro like Aion is owning it in Asia
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've partially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Edit: My brother took over my Old account when I left during sunwell, he transfered all 6 of my 70's to a new WotLK server since I was planning on selling them.
Figured I'de give you my whole little WoW story. Also I would like to add that I only Pvp'd in WoW due to my brother begging like a little bastard as wanting My hunter to team with in Vanilla WoW and My Warrior for 2v2 in Tbc with his Resto shaman (1900+ rating was my highest but thats due to him being a really awesome LOS cheat and Healer lol).
I couldnt give 2 shits less about a new "king" of MMO's. I just want a solid MMO that I enjoy to play that has a solid enough community to keep it running.
Seriously people most here whine about how everything is a WoW clone and how much you hate it. WTF do you think a new "king" would cause? Say it is Aion. Guess what. For the next 10 years all we will see is Aion clones. Is that what we really want? Or do we want all the newer MMO's to stop being a pile of garbage and be decent games so we see more companies willing to take risks and give us NEW idea's and games?
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
not true at all. blizzard turned WoW into garbage. I really enjoyed raiding and I could deal with the average pvp as long as I had my brother to yell at. Blizzard messed up my pally, made 5 man dungeons and tanking Ezmode (AOE fests) continue to balance WoW due to lame pvp and ruining Dps builds in pve.
I personally Should have left during vanilla WoW when blizzard destroyed a great 40 man raid system to cater to newbs but I stayed because of my brother.
Edit: I would also like to add that WoW stopped being my Main MMO when TBC released I am normally subbed to two-three mmos at a time. I would only log in for raids and my bros arena games.
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
Eh, why wouldn't they count? Seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn't include Asian numbers?
Even if we remove asian numbers for som inexplicable reason, there are still 5 ~ 6 million US/EU subscribers. To put that in context, the 2nd biggest western mmorpg ever did not even have half a million subscribers.
How do most people pay for WoW in asia? by the minute or hour time cards? So a player could play WoW with a card like that for 30 minutes and blizzard counts them as a sub for the entire quarter or year?
Blizzard is fudging the numbers, I'm glad Aion is punking WoW in those countries.
Edit: better change your WoW sub praising to WoW the leading MMO in Euro and NA... well until TOR releases and punks WoW in NA/Euro like Aion is owning it in Asia
I'm going to adress both the post before this and the one I just quoted.
About you saying WoW is only average, sorry, but you're going to have to accept that you're a minority and gamers in general do not agree with your opinion. The game is by far the most successful subscribtion based mmorpg and WoW and its expansions all received very positive receptions, each of them having an average score of above 9.0
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TOR? Sorry, but forgive me if I say i'm not impressed with your claim that "TOR" is going to "Punk" WoW. First it was Age of Conan, next it was Warhammer and now we have another studio with a so called "Killer IP" that is going to "Punk" WoW. Heard it all before.
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released). My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx. His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
not true at all. blizzard turned WoW into garbage. I really enjoyed raiding and I could deal with the average pvp as long as I had my brother to yell at. Blizzard messed up my pally, made 5 man dungeons and tanking Ezmode (AOE fests) continue to balance WoW due to lame pvp and ruining Dps builds in pve.
I personally Should have left during vanilla WoW when blizzard destroyed a great 40 man raid system to cater to newbs but I stayed because of my brother.
Edit: I would also like to add that WoW stopped being my Main MMO when TBC released I am normally subbed to two-three mmos at a time. I would only log in for raids and my bros arena games.
Edit 2 I consider Current WoW my NGE.
Apparently that's the big difference
It is time you talk about games and mechanics of gameplay instead of " I hate Wow" despite I played it for too long".
The personal opinion vs the analysis of games. Knowing to distinguish between personal opinions and the general trends and mechanics of game design.
You can't come no further than the usual 4 letter words and "garbage" when talking about Wow.
It shows very clearly your views are very... "blurred", that the least we can say.
Are you that an important person in the "I" format? or is this just uncontrolled stress and self - projected hate ?
Zorn what are you talking about I've talked WoW mechanics before. Everytime I do so you pull out freaking Xfire numbers or some stupid Game review site.
I'm not some idot poster that just hates WoW because it has more subs or is popular my gripes are valid and I can hang in a conversation about WoW mechanics and the flaws of that MMO all day long.
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh) All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count. Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots. Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million. I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
not true at all. blizzard turned WoW into garbage. I really enjoyed raiding and I could deal with the average pvp as long as I had my brother to yell at. Blizzard messed up my pally, made 5 man dungeons and tanking Ezmode (AOE fests) continue to balance WoW due to lame pvp and ruining Dps builds in pve.
I personally Should have left during vanilla WoW when blizzard destroyed a great 40 man raid system to cater to newbs but I stayed because of my brother.
Edit: I would also like to add that WoW stopped being my Main MMO when TBC released I am normally subbed to two-three mmos at a time. I would only log in for raids and my bros arena games.
Edit 2 I consider Current WoW my NGE.
Well, i really dont see how blizzard messed up your pally as they are now doing more dps then they ever have, 5 man dungeons were always ment to be easy for people to practise/gear for raids. Sunwell at the end of TBC was anything but easy for tanks(not aoe fests, The only place that was an aoe fest was mount hyjal? and no boss had you aoe much) DPS builds were never ruined in raids.
The 40 man raid system was trash and you know it, it was basically 25 good people and 15 people who were carried. And if anything the 25 man raids have been more difficult then the jokes of Vanilla 8 hour spent clearing trash yay great fun.
If those were the ONLY things wrong with the game compared to the MANY things wrong with other games i suggest you play the game again. Most of your points are moot and are untrue.
Try doing Ulduar not even sponsored guilds have cleared it yet, try reaching #1 in arena (dont give me that imbalanced crap because EVERY class has been able to reach number #1,yes some are easier then others but the skilled players make anything work), I would have said do Sunwell Plataeu but you apparently gave up after BC so you missed one of the most well done raid encounters i have seen in games so far. And yes i have been playing mmorpgs for over 10 years.
And on another note i think PvP in wow is the best pvp action your going to get in an action bar based combat mmorpg. Not saying theres anything wrong with that but thats how it is. If you think about it most RvR pvp(which is where WoW is currently lacking) in rpg's action bar based combat is just mindless zerging and is only fun while it lasts. Same with Scenarios or Battlegrounds or what ever you want to call it. Guild wars had fun 8v8 pvp but wow just has 5v5 pvp which is just as fun in my opinion ( 5v5 is a true test of a players ability to make the correct decisions very quickly and be able to manage dealing with 5 people constantly but thats only if you hit a high rating). The best combat your going to get in massive scale combat is in games with FPS style gameplay which is why im looking forward to games such as global agenda but am not getting my hopes up to high.
Also want to point out that im currently not playing WoW as i am bored of it but its not as bad a game as you are making it out to be with all your posts saying you are glad WoW is dying and such. Arena can be a ton of fun when doing it with friends, Battlegrounds are lame. High end raids are fun (having 15 more or less people really doesnt make it any better). Theres not much else you can get in mmorpg's. WoW is a great game for hardcore gamers( the sponsored guild plays about 20 hours straight a day until they clear the content,pretty hardcore imo) and casuals alike.
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I know Asia has different paying model, but how did you come up with a "3/4" number?
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
I think you over exaggerate here. Bliz changed their provider/reseller or whatever. but the provider does not have control of the intellectual property they are reselling or providing access to. If you live in China, you will still be playing Blizzard's WoW. This will not be like it was with SOE when SOE absorbed VG. Sure, Bliz will lose some people, but not a lot. They will lose those who dont realize that reseller does not have control over the game. as an optimist, I believe people are generally intelligent, most chinese people will realize that nothing changed except for the provider. if the new provider is more or less the same as old, the change will go unnoticed completely.
It will go unnoticed if there is noone trying to stab them in the back now does it? The piece of cake that The9 had was too big, it drives every company insane. They will fight like mad dog for it. As far as I know, Chinese law stated that as long as there is dispute between a local company and a foreign company in court, the product will be examine for a termination. You don't think that council or whoever make that decision can be lobbied? It will be a massive fight and it would be very entertaining to watch I asure you.
Also, mind you that each provider in China has a reputation. Much like it is here in the US. So, switching from one operator to another isnt so simple.
Yes but their provider remains Chinese. Would they really terminate Blizzard, who pays taxes and employs Chinese people? They haven't outsourced Chinese provider to another country, so they will still be paying China taxes, infrastructure, employ Chinese people. From the government standpoint, nothing changed.
10000 people were employed before the switch, 10000 are employed after the change. They paid 1million $ were paid in taxes before the change, 1 million $ are paid after the change. yes, The9 is hurt badly, but that's their problem. As long as this does not concern China (and it doesn't), then there wont be much problems.
(numbers above are pure fiction, they are there to illustrate the point, nothing else)
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Isn't WoW sub free in Asia?
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While Blizzard calls it "Asia", the vast majority are from china.
http://eu.blizzard.com/en/press/080122.html
"PARIS, France. – 22 January, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season. World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia"
Also Frostbite05, Aion is not in any way an asian grinder and its gameplay is VERY different from Lineage 2. I suggest you do a bit more research on a game before you post misinformed comments about it.
Did and played it. Sure there are more quests and a flight system but at its core its an asian grinder later in the game. So make sure you know what your talking about before you talk buddy.
Grind isnt any more asian than Daoc's. How many asian grinders have you played? Did you even play L2 to compare it with Aion? Cause I got a level 50 (max) sorcerer within a month in Aion questing 80% of the time, and my best in L2 is a level 77 (85 being max) Plains walker after 2 years playing.
And that i can agree with you on. There are many different ways to grind in MMO's. Some just mask the grind better than others. Yes i did have the pleasure of playing lineage II and Im very thankful that they eased the pain of the grind in Aion but there still is one. An Asian grinder by its definition is a game that you have to grind at some point to hit max level. Western games on the other hand have people question 100% of the time to hit level cap. However, this is just another form of grinding but it is the accepted method on this side of the world. For that reason i say the Aion won't be as popular in the west as it will in the east.
While Blizzard calls it "Asia", the vast majority are from china.
http://eu.blizzard.com/en/press/080122.html
"PARIS, France. – 22 January, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season. World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia"
Also Frostbite05, Aion is not in any way an asian grinder and its gameplay is VERY different from Lineage 2. I suggest you do a bit more research on a game before you post misinformed comments about it.
Did and played it. Sure there are more quests and a flight system but at its core its an asian grinder later in the game. So make sure you know what your talking about before you talk buddy.
The game is quest driven through out the vast majority of the experience. It takes hardcore gamers about a year of hardcore playing to reach the cap level in Lineage 2. There are now already lots of people on the cap or near the cap in Aion and it's only been released a while ago. To say that it's the same as Lineage 2 is wrong on so many levels it's not even funny.
The game is build with a casual audience in mind, not the hardcore like Lineage 2. Also, why would NCsoft create a game that competes with its own franchise? That doesn't make any logical sense.
While Blizzard calls it "Asia", the vast majority are from china.
http://eu.blizzard.com/en/press/080122.html
"PARIS, France. – 22 January, 2008 -- Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. announced today that subscribership for World of Warcraft®, its award-winning massively multiplayer online role-playing game (MMORPG), has continued to climb, recently passing 10 million worldwide. Interest in the game has remained high in all regions, with thousands of new and returning players signing up through the holiday season. World of Warcraft now hosts more than 2 million subscribers in Europe, more than 2.5 million in North America, and approximately 5.5 million in Asia"
Also Frostbite05, Aion is not in any way an asian grinder and its gameplay is VERY different from Lineage 2. I suggest you do a bit more research on a game before you post misinformed comments about it.
Did and played it. Sure there are more quests and a flight system but at its core its an asian grinder later in the game. So make sure you know what your talking about before you talk buddy.
Grind isnt any more asian than Daoc's. How many asian grinders have you played? Did you even play L2 to compare it with Aion? Cause I got a level 50 (max) sorcerer within a month in Aion questing 80% of the time, and my best in L2 is a level 77 (85 being max) Plains walker after 2 years playing.
And that i can agree with you on. There are many different ways to grind in MMO's. Some just mask the grind better than others. Yes i did have the pleasure of playing lineage II and Im very thankful that they eased the pain of the grind in Aion but there still is one. An Asian grinder by its definition is a game that you have to grind at some point to hit max level. Western games on the other hand have people question 100% of the time to hit level cap. However, this is just another form of grinding but it is the accepted method on this side of the world. For that reason i say the Aion won't be as popular in the west as it will in the east.
No they don't. Ultima Online didn't have this, Everquest didn't have this, Star Wars Galaxies didn't have this either, nor does The Saga of Ryzom or EVE Online.
What if The9 out of spite wipes all the player characters from it's servers?
I love it for years we've been saying WoW isn't as big due to its Asia Sub numbers (we don;t count them tbh)
All the fanbots said that's BS and they do count.
Now that Aion is kicking the shit out of blizzard in Asia they no longer matter to the fanbots.
Seriously better watch out that "11.5 million subs" crap that you shove up our ass 24/7 could turn into 5or 6 million.
I don;t even like Aion and im kinda excited that its doing well.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
The data is Blizz's properteh I think. It would also piss off milllions of people. So honestly, that would be a kind of angry kid's response from them and the quickest way to never be asked to host another game again.
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No single game will top WoW. At least not for a very very long time. Eventually new games will take small chunks of the WoW playerbase and over time as well as older players losing interest, it will lose players this way. Blizzard will contribute to this with their next MMO too. This hasn't started yet though because WoW is actually still growing and the new games coming out have quite frankly sucked. I think the genre would be a lot better if everyone stopped measuring games to WoW and instead to other successful games like LoTRO, FFXI, EQ and Lineage series etc. Game developers should make niche games and aim for a population of a couple hundred thousand to maybe over a million. Trying to develop another gigantic hit like WoW is not realistic.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
Eh, why wouldn't they count? Seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn't include Asian numbers?
Even if we remove asian numbers for som inexplicable reason, there are still 5 ~ 6 million US/EU subscribers. To put that in context, the 2nd biggest western mmorpg ever did not even have half a million subscribers.
I agree with the fact that many people compare things to WoW. Has everyone forgotten that WoW was not origional? It took ideas from every other MMOs most succesful points and merged them into one. Now one of the huge reasons why Blizzard did so good with World of Warcraft was the simple fact that they made Diabo. Diablo2 StarCraft etc.....Those games had massive followings througout the world. Hell Korea plays Starcraft as its national sports. Yes they have teams like we have the Red Sox or the Yankees. There are specific arenas and such just for that. That is one of the biggest things people forget when it comes to WoW. Much of why they had such success is that they had those games to spart interest in their MMO. The companies making these games now a days dont have many games in the background to look at. This means they dont have as big of a fan base to pull to their game. Now granted WoW did great I played it since beta. I have to admit. I played the game for 5years and only played because Id been playing gmes with the people I was gaming with for years. Wow is easy to pick up and quick to get into. Its easy to play when you first get in. It has a lot going for it. but somone will come out with a game or several that will slowly chip away at WoW. I play EQ,EQ2, Perfect World International and a few other games I notice an influx of people lately leaving WoW and coming to others. So who knows but I think the only reason people compare the games to WoW is well....WoW has so many people most people looking at an MMO coming out have seen or played WoW. Thats My 2cents.
For many WoW was the original. This is why it is such a mammoth, because it brought people to the mmorpg genre that were never there before. It opened the market share for mmo's to a whole new level. This is a good thing for mmo's.
No WoW was not my first mmo, I played FFXI before WoW but FFXI was my first mmorpg and I still compare games I play to it. It's just the way we are. I am not sure what it will take to topple WoW...I am fairly certain that time will be the ultimate "wow killer" more and more mmo's come out with better graphics, developers learn that you don't have to reinvent the wheel just tweek it enough to make it interesting then polish it, and more. Will there ever be ONE game to take down WoW...who knows. I don't think anyone expected WoW to get this big orginally. I doubt we will know with the next one either. It will be interesting to watch though.
I myself will try Aion because I too am tired of the same ol same ol in WoW!
As for whats going on in China, I think that people will deal with a lot of hassle to play the games they like. Customer Service knows this and thats why it's hard to get them to listen until they start to feel it in the wallet. So I think it's a wait and see thing.
Currently Playing: FFXIV:ARR
Looking Forward to: Wildstar
Oh shit i better unsubscribe, the only reason i was playing WoW was because The9 were the providers
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Eh, why wouldn't they count? Seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn't include Asian numbers?
Even if we remove asian numbers for som inexplicable reason, there are still 5 ~ 6 million US/EU subscribers. To put that in context, the 2nd biggest western mmorpg ever did not even have half a million subscribers.
How do most people pay for WoW in asia? by the minute or hour time cards? So a player could play WoW with a card like that for 30 minutes and blizzard counts them as a sub for the entire quarter or year?
Blizzard is fudging the numbers, I'm glad Aion is punking WoW in those countries.
Edit: better change your WoW sub praising to WoW the leading MMO in Euro and NA... well until TOR releases and punks WoW in NA/Euro like Aion is owning it in Asia
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've partially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Edit: My brother took over my Old account when I left during sunwell, he transfered all 6 of my 70's to a new WotLK server since I was planning on selling them.
Figured I'de give you my whole little WoW story. Also I would like to add that I only Pvp'd in WoW due to my brother begging like a little bastard as wanting My hunter to team with in Vanilla WoW and My Warrior for 2v2 in Tbc with his Resto shaman (1900+ rating was my highest but thats due to him being a really awesome LOS cheat and Healer lol).
Have I experienced Enough?
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
I couldnt give 2 shits less about a new "king" of MMO's. I just want a solid MMO that I enjoy to play that has a solid enough community to keep it running.
Seriously people most here whine about how everything is a WoW clone and how much you hate it. WTF do you think a new "king" would cause? Say it is Aion. Guess what. For the next 10 years all we will see is Aion clones. Is that what we really want? Or do we want all the newer MMO's to stop being a pile of garbage and be decent games so we see more companies willing to take risks and give us NEW idea's and games?
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
not true at all. blizzard turned WoW into garbage. I really enjoyed raiding and I could deal with the average pvp as long as I had my brother to yell at. Blizzard messed up my pally, made 5 man dungeons and tanking Ezmode (AOE fests) continue to balance WoW due to lame pvp and ruining Dps builds in pve.
I personally Should have left during vanilla WoW when blizzard destroyed a great 40 man raid system to cater to newbs but I stayed because of my brother.
Edit: I would also like to add that WoW stopped being my Main MMO when TBC released I am normally subbed to two-three mmos at a time. I would only log in for raids and my bros arena games.
Edit 2 I consider Current WoW my NGE.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Eh, why wouldn't they count? Seriously, is there any good reason why we shouldn't include Asian numbers?
Even if we remove asian numbers for som inexplicable reason, there are still 5 ~ 6 million US/EU subscribers. To put that in context, the 2nd biggest western mmorpg ever did not even have half a million subscribers.
How do most people pay for WoW in asia? by the minute or hour time cards? So a player could play WoW with a card like that for 30 minutes and blizzard counts them as a sub for the entire quarter or year?
Blizzard is fudging the numbers, I'm glad Aion is punking WoW in those countries.
Edit: better change your WoW sub praising to WoW the leading MMO in Euro and NA... well until TOR releases and punks WoW in NA/Euro like Aion is owning it in Asia
I'm going to adress both the post before this and the one I just quoted.
About you saying WoW is only average, sorry, but you're going to have to accept that you're a minority and gamers in general do not agree with your opinion. The game is by far the most successful subscribtion based mmorpg and WoW and its expansions all received very positive receptions, each of them having an average score of above 9.0
http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=World+of+Warcraft&ty=0
WoW is not fudging with the numbers, you just haven't done your research.
Most players in Asia play in internet cafes and pay per hour . This is what Blizzard includes when they announce their active subscribers:
Included:
- Anybody who has purchased WoW and is currently in their 30 day trial
- Anybody who has an active paid for subscribtion to WoW
- Anybody in an internet cafe who accessed the games in the last 30 days.
Not included:
- Anybody who is currently on a free trial
- Anybody who has an inactive, canceled account.
This is in the subscriber definition in every single press release that concerns subscribtion numbers.
http://www.blizzard.com/us/press/081121.html
World of Warcraft's Subscriber Definition
World of Warcraft subscribers include individuals who have paid a subscription fee or have an active prepaid card to play World of Warcraft, as well as those who have purchased the game and are within their free month of access. Internet Game Room players who have accessed the game over the last thirty days are also counted as subscribers. The above definition excludes all players under free promotional subscriptions, expired or cancelled subscriptions, and expired prepaid cards. Subscribers in licensees’ territories are defined along the same rules
TOR? Sorry, but forgive me if I say i'm not impressed with your claim that "TOR" is going to "Punk" WoW. First it was Age of Conan, next it was Warhammer and now we have another studio with a so called "Killer IP" that is going to "Punk" WoW. Heard it all before.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
not true at all. blizzard turned WoW into garbage. I really enjoyed raiding and I could deal with the average pvp as long as I had my brother to yell at. Blizzard messed up my pally, made 5 man dungeons and tanking Ezmode (AOE fests) continue to balance WoW due to lame pvp and ruining Dps builds in pve.
I personally Should have left during vanilla WoW when blizzard destroyed a great 40 man raid system to cater to newbs but I stayed because of my brother.
Edit: I would also like to add that WoW stopped being my Main MMO when TBC released I am normally subbed to two-three mmos at a time. I would only log in for raids and my bros arena games.
Edit 2 I consider Current WoW my NGE.
Apparently that's the big difference
It is time you talk about games and mechanics of gameplay instead of " I hate Wow" despite I played it for too long".
The personal opinion vs the analysis of games. Knowing to distinguish between personal opinions and the general trends and mechanics of game design.
You can't come no further than the usual 4 letter words and "garbage" when talking about Wow.
It shows very clearly your views are very... "blurred", that the least we can say.
Are you that an important person in the "I" format? or is this just uncontrolled stress and self - projected hate ?
Zorn what are you talking about I've talked WoW mechanics before. Everytime I do so you pull out freaking Xfire numbers or some stupid Game review site.
I'm not some idot poster that just hates WoW because it has more subs or is popular my gripes are valid and I can hang in a conversation about WoW mechanics and the flaws of that MMO all day long.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
The only reason wow has 11.5 million subscribers is due to the weakness of the rest of the market. Nothing more. Most of your other claims are just bile filled rhetoric. Calling people fanbots just makes you look petty.
If another game comes along and steals a large portion of the market it will be long over due. The mmo market needs more games that can compete and show developers not to release half finished garbage. There is no reason one game should dominate the entire market like warcraft does, but the reasons why it does are pretty obvious.
I am all for competition in the market, because in the end we will all win if companies have to step up their game to earn our subscription dollars. Bring it on I say.
What weakness of the market? WoW is an average game. Please don't think more subs equal a better game.
We've been through this time and time again. We all know WoW is a basic average MMO.
Even fans of the game admit that WoW does everything decently so it appeals to everyone. It's not a MMO targetted at a niche market.
hell if other games have a weakness its that they decided to be excellent in a certain feature instead of a bland average MMO across the board.
I like high quality pvp games so a game like WoW is complete garbage for me. Same goes for a person that likes good crafting or challenging pve.
How much of wow's content did you complete exactly?
I was a MT on Gilneas NA server, Full Tier 3 with my thunderfury and HW with my Orc Hunter. TBC I completed Raid content through BT on my Holy pally and First two sets of my gladiator armor on my MS build warrior (left a couple months when sunwell released).
My brother Owns WotLK and lives in my home. I've patially leveled his resto shaman and ran near all dungeons and Baby Naxx.
His shaman is his second character he raids with a rouge also on gilneas NA server I've Dpsed in his raids for him on nights when his boss kept him late at work (he doesn;t want to lose his raid spot).
Bro trust me I do not bash MMOs I havent played.
Why did you play the game for so many years if it was complete garbage? It must have had some redeeming factors or you would not have played it.
not true at all. blizzard turned WoW into garbage. I really enjoyed raiding and I could deal with the average pvp as long as I had my brother to yell at. Blizzard messed up my pally, made 5 man dungeons and tanking Ezmode (AOE fests) continue to balance WoW due to lame pvp and ruining Dps builds in pve.
I personally Should have left during vanilla WoW when blizzard destroyed a great 40 man raid system to cater to newbs but I stayed because of my brother.
Edit: I would also like to add that WoW stopped being my Main MMO when TBC released I am normally subbed to two-three mmos at a time. I would only log in for raids and my bros arena games.
Edit 2 I consider Current WoW my NGE.
Well, i really dont see how blizzard messed up your pally as they are now doing more dps then they ever have, 5 man dungeons were always ment to be easy for people to practise/gear for raids. Sunwell at the end of TBC was anything but easy for tanks(not aoe fests, The only place that was an aoe fest was mount hyjal? and no boss had you aoe much) DPS builds were never ruined in raids.
The 40 man raid system was trash and you know it, it was basically 25 good people and 15 people who were carried. And if anything the 25 man raids have been more difficult then the jokes of Vanilla 8 hour spent clearing trash yay great fun.
If those were the ONLY things wrong with the game compared to the MANY things wrong with other games i suggest you play the game again. Most of your points are moot and are untrue.
Try doing Ulduar not even sponsored guilds have cleared it yet, try reaching #1 in arena (dont give me that imbalanced crap because EVERY class has been able to reach number #1,yes some are easier then others but the skilled players make anything work), I would have said do Sunwell Plataeu but you apparently gave up after BC so you missed one of the most well done raid encounters i have seen in games so far. And yes i have been playing mmorpgs for over 10 years.
And on another note i think PvP in wow is the best pvp action your going to get in an action bar based combat mmorpg. Not saying theres anything wrong with that but thats how it is. If you think about it most RvR pvp(which is where WoW is currently lacking) in rpg's action bar based combat is just mindless zerging and is only fun while it lasts. Same with Scenarios or Battlegrounds or what ever you want to call it. Guild wars had fun 8v8 pvp but wow just has 5v5 pvp which is just as fun in my opinion ( 5v5 is a true test of a players ability to make the correct decisions very quickly and be able to manage dealing with 5 people constantly but thats only if you hit a high rating). The best combat your going to get in massive scale combat is in games with FPS style gameplay which is why im looking forward to games such as global agenda but am not getting my hopes up to high.
Also want to point out that im currently not playing WoW as i am bored of it but its not as bad a game as you are making it out to be with all your posts saying you are glad WoW is dying and such. Arena can be a ton of fun when doing it with friends, Battlegrounds are lame. High end raids are fun (having 15 more or less people really doesnt make it any better). Theres not much else you can get in mmorpg's. WoW is a great game for hardcore gamers( the sponsored guild plays about 20 hours straight a day until they clear the content,pretty hardcore imo) and casuals alike.