There is really no reason for swimming. Water in Aion is just another way to define a boundary line rather than be surrounded by mountains all the time.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
I remember the good ol days of Asherons Call....when i ran out on the beach to go out for my first swim.....only to run into a wall....I am fine with what Aion has decided to do. not all mmos need swiming ...i use to hate the water in DAoC ....people would dive and pop to surface over and over to avoid getting hit...using it as LoS <Line of Sight> swiming is not always good for RvR
Well these aren't humans so maybe the buoyancies of their bodies doesn't allow them to stay afloat simply by kicking their legs and arms... I'm just saying.
Personally I could care less about swimming. I don't play an MMO to go swimming nor do I play an MMO to do the annoying quests that involve swimming to the bottom to get quest items ect.
While I don't really mind swimming or diving, it doesn't really mean much to me. I was never fond of the swimming quests in WoW. Nothing worse than fighting Undead under water and trying to swim back up for air, or just forgetting all about breathing by accident. So yeah... Either way it wouldn't matter to me. It does give the world a realer feel, though.
There is really no reason for swimming. Water in Aion is just another way to define a boundary line rather than be surrounded by mountains all the time.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
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There is really no reason for swimming. Water in Aion is just another way to define a boundary line rather than be surrounded by mountains all the time.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
Right, I'm acting foolish now because my opinion is different than yours and don't agree with your argument. You keep going back to how useless swimming is but I ask you to look at how useless many things are in mmos but still add to the experience, such as weather, scenery, etc.
There is really no reason for swimming. Water in Aion is just another way to define a boundary line rather than be surrounded by mountains all the time.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
My immersion to PVP makes me forget all about the water....besides most of the end game wars will take place in the Abyss which has no water period to contend with....YOU CAN FLY lol! and if given the option I will fly over water, much faster FYI.
So ya they sacrificed swimming to nowhere for no reason to flying for ease of travel and enhance a combat factor.
(sarc)OMG how thoughtless of them(sarc)
I am immersed in the other aspects of the game that's there ESP the fun PVP which most MMO's are seriously lacking in these days...I'm sure you can probably find someplace else to swim.
There is really no reason for swimming. Water in Aion is just another way to define a boundary line rather than be surrounded by mountains all the time.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
Right, I'm acting foolish now because my opinion is different than yours and don't agree with your argument. You keep going back to how useless swimming is but I ask you to look at how useless many things are in mmos but still add to the experience, such as weather, scenery, etc.
Okay, what would you want to accomplish by adding swimming to the game now? Where would you go? What would you do?
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well to me it makes sense that you cant swim....bcoz you can fly
i mean, if u have no worries in the world and have everything you need, why use a bicycle if u can use a car....why get on a boat to get from point A to point B if u can fly there....
There is really no reason for swimming. Water in Aion is just another way to define a boundary line rather than be surrounded by mountains all the time.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
Right, I'm acting foolish now because my opinion is different than yours and don't agree with your argument. You keep going back to how useless swimming is but I ask you to look at how useless many things are in mmos but still add to the experience, such as weather, scenery, etc.
Okay, what would you want to accomplish by adding swimming to the game now? Where would you go? What would you do?
Ok, it's obvious we just have two completely different takes on this thing so there's no point in even continuing here. You're focused on the simple practicality of how useful swimming is and I'm coming from a completely different perspective that's not looking at how "useful" something is but how it adds to a game experience, for me. Maybe it doesn't for you, but it does for me.
"Yes, no swimming is just lazy programming. Yes, limited flying to a few areas is lazy programming. Yes, only one area per level is lazy progamming. Yes, only one starter zone is just lazy programming." ...and so on, you try to find exciting stories, why it does make sense in this game.^^
Immersion and little details is something NCSoft seems to pride themselves on with Aion (from what I've seen). So when you enter deep water and simply walk across the bottom of the ocean/lake floor like it was nothing, you've just kill some immersion for a lot of people.
Under-water content or not - the way it is now is plain stupid.
No one is asking for them to take 100% of the development teams resources to impliment it, but it's hard to believe that if they spent the time putting resources into the other little details, they could do it for this.
You fanbots are funny. Instead of just saying: "Yes, no swimming is just lazy programming.
Yes, limited flying to a few areas is lazy programming.
Yes, only one area per level is lazy progamming.
Yes, only one starter zone is just lazy programming."
...and so on, you try to find exciting stories, why it does make sense in this game.^^ *But...but it is a PvP-game!!!*
LOL, why spend time and resources on something the game doesn't need...you can't swim to anything. And I suppose you would like to just fly and fly 24/7 through a game that has nor boarders....are you gonna try and get beyond the coded world?? Are there cookies and ice cream there?
Yes the devs should abandon their focus on server stability and class balance, crafting depth and flying combat so some of these fools can RP themselves taking a bath in water that wont drown them and fly into pixel blackness.
There is lore to why you can only fly in certain areas actually, I suppose they should add some lore as to why you cant swim...wait I'll just add it.
You can't swim in AION because the magical properties of the Aether that affects you makes your bodies to dense AND your wearing full armor/gear!! If you need a bath then NCsoft suggests you do this at home in RL.
LOL, why spend time and resources on something the game doesn't need...you can't swim to anything. And I suppose you would like to just fly and fly 24/7 through a game that has nor boarders....are you gonna try and get beyond the coded world?? Are there cookies and ice cream there?
Yes the devs should abandon their focus on server stability and class balance, crafting depth and flying combat so some of these fools can RP themselves taking a bath in water that wont drown them and fly into pixel blackness.
There is lore to why you can only fly in certain areas actually, I suppose they should add some lore as to why you cant swim...wait I'll just add it.
You can't swim in AION because the magical properties of the Aether that affects you makes your bodies to dense AND your wearing full armor/gear!! If you need a bath then NCsoft suggests you do this at home in RL.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
LOL, why spend time and resources on something the game doesn't need...you can't swim to anything. And I suppose you would like to just fly and fly 24/7 through a game that has nor boarders....are you gonna try and get beyond the coded world?? Are there cookies and ice cream there?
Yes the devs should abandon their focus on server stability and class balance, crafting depth and flying combat so some of these fools can RP themselves taking a bath in water that wont drown them and fly into pixel blackness.
There is lore to why you can only fly in certain areas actually, I suppose they should add some lore as to why you cant swim...wait I'll just add it.
You can't swim in AION because the magical properties of the Aether that affects you makes your bodies to dense AND your wearing full armor/gear!! If you need a bath then NCsoft suggests you do this at home in RL.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
The game designers may have seen it as "it's something hard to do" not as in the game code but as in having players who have freaking full armor and gear trying to swim something that's "hard to do" if not impossible...ergo they don't stop you from going into deep water and drowning yourself.
Along these lines they may have thought "maybe PC's can swim if they have 0 to no gear on" but who is gonna do this??? seriously??? Just to swim for no other reason...there is no game content to be had in deep water...you can fly in the Abyss so no need for it there.
The way it's designed makes perfect sense to a degree that is very tolerable, only the extremely pessimistic minds will rage/dwell/argue over there not being any swimming in a this game.
AION chose to focus on flight it seems, and from my understanding coding airial combat is hard and they did a great job with it.....I could maybe seeing them having an area/areas that you can only get to by going under water, but you would have to contend with being weighted down with all your armor/gear and breathing/healing to make it to those areas.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
The game designers may have seen it as "it's something hard to do" not as in the game code but as in having players who have freaking full armor and gear trying to swim something that's "hard to do" if not impossible...ergo they don't stop you from going into deep water and drowning yourself. Along these lines they may have thought "maybe PC's can swim if they have 0 to no gear on" but who is gonna do this??? seriously??? Just to swim for no other reason...there is no game content to be had in deep water...you can fly in the Abyss so no need for it there.
The way it's designed makes perfect sense to a degree that is very tolerable, only the extremely pessimistic minds will rage/dwell/argue over there not being any swimming in a this game.
AION chose to focus on flight it seems, and from my understanding coding airial combat is hard and they did a great job with it.....I could maybe seeing them having an area/areas that you can only get to by going under water, but you would have to contend with being weighted down with all your armor/gear and breathing/healing to make it to those areas.
Wouldn't it be just as hard to fly with all that full armor?
Ah, but according to the lore the wings are "magical" - or something - right? Then let players "magically" swim.
The reason for swimmning is purely for detail and immersion, which IMO is sound enough reasoning for any fantasy game. They can add underwater content later if they want but I doubt that'll happen.
It's not stopping me from enjoying the game, but I definately think it should be there for reasons I've previously stated and I don't have a problem with sharing those reasons.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
The game designers may have seen it as "it's something hard to do" not as in the game code but as in having players who have freaking full armor and gear trying to swim something that's "hard to do" if not impossible...ergo they don't stop you from going into deep water and drowning yourself. Along these lines they may have thought "maybe PC's can swim if they have 0 to no gear on" but who is gonna do this??? seriously??? Just to swim for no other reason...there is no game content to be had in deep water...you can fly in the Abyss so no need for it there.
The way it's designed makes perfect sense to a degree that is very tolerable, only the extremely pessimistic minds will rage/dwell/argue over there not being any swimming in a this game.
AION chose to focus on flight it seems, and from my understanding coding airial combat is hard and they did a great job with it.....I could maybe seeing them having an area/areas that you can only get to by going under water, but you would have to contend with being weighted down with all your armor/gear and breathing/healing to make it to those areas.
Wouldn't it be just as hard to fly with all that full armor?
Ah, but according to the lore the wings are "magical" - or something - right? Then let players "magically" swim.
The reason for swimmning is purely for detail and immersion, which IMO is sound enough reasoning for any fantasy game. They can add underwater content later if they want but I doubt that'll happen.
It's not stopping me from enjoying the game, but I definately think it should be there for reasons I've previously stated and I don't have a problem with sharing those reasons.
It's an alien world, maybe the air is a little thicker with oxygen, maybe the water has altered properties as well. But flying is magical?? maybe but I know it has something to do with the alien element Aether which exists on this alien world. And referring to the "why can they fly weighted down?" Well it has to do with the alien nature of this world and race and since flying time runs out fast they may have also took the weight idea into consideration.
If they put content that would make swimming a "real" issue then it would be a real issue. But so far on this alien world players cant swim....
I am an Aion fan and totally love the game however this topic has been a serious beef of mine and every single excuse I have read on this thread is pure lame fanboyism.
The simple fact that you can enter water indicates there is something planned for it, otherwise you would not be able to go so far in. What that is I don't know, it's either proper swimming as you would normally expect, or underwater flying or it'll be a simple message that you're going to drown.
The fact there isn't even a breath meter is a serious mistake and yes it does seem sloppy to those who've played games where you can enter water, you expect something to happen other then simply taking damage over time which really feels like a stand in system until the real thing gets implemented.
I don't care if you personally like to swim or not, the problem is that as is, it's a sloppy and poor presentation of one part of the game that many western players are going to find retarded and will reflect badly on the whole product. It's like presenting a 5 star meal with one dirty spot on the plate, it's just bad form.
Oh wow. I am an Aion fan and totally love the game however this topic has been a serious beef of mine and every single excuse I have read on this thread is pure lame fanboyism. The simple fact that you can enter water indicates there is something planned for it, otherwise you would not be able to go so far in. What that is I don't know, it's either proper swimming as you would normally expect, or underwater flying or it'll be a simple message that you're going to drown. The fact there isn't even a breath meter is a serious mistake and yes it does seem sloppy to those who've played games where you can enter water, you expect something to happen other then simply taking damage over time which really feels like a stand in system until the real thing gets implemented. I don't care if you personally like to swim or not, the problem is that as is, it's a sloppy and poor presentation of one part of the game that many western players are going to find retarded and will reflect badly on the whole product. It's like presenting a 5 star meal with one dirty spot on the plate, it's just bad form.
That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library.
While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game.
I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
How many of you here have played beyond the first starter zone? Those of you that have, how many large bodies of water that are deeper than knee level are there in the world? I am willing to bet they can be counted on one hand.
I could understand adding swimming into the game if there where more areas that it was needed but for now there is just not enough water to even bother, which I am sure is the reason people's wishes are falling on deaf ears.
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Oh wow. I am an Aion fan and totally love the game however this topic has been a serious beef of mine and every single excuse I have read on this thread is pure lame fanboyism. The simple fact that you can enter water indicates there is something planned for it, otherwise you would not be able to go so far in. What that is I don't know, it's either proper swimming as you would normally expect, or underwater flying or it'll be a simple message that you're going to drown. The fact there isn't even a breath meter is a serious mistake and yes it does seem sloppy to those who've played games where you can enter water, you expect something to happen other then simply taking damage over time which really feels like a stand in system until the real thing gets implemented. I don't care if you personally like to swim or not, the problem is that as is, it's a sloppy and poor presentation of one part of the game that many western players are going to find retarded and will reflect badly on the whole product. It's like presenting a 5 star meal with one dirty spot on the plate, it's just bad form.
That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library.
While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game.
I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
yes, clearly, all of us who would like swimming in the game are from wow and are wow fanboys, that's why we want swimming. Sherlock, you have solved the case!
That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library. While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game. I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
yes, clearly, all of us who would like swimming in the game are from wow and are wow fanboys, that's why we want swimming. Sherlock, you have solved the case!
Yeah. What a retarded comment that was. Getting pretty fed up with these idiots constantly calling WoW fanboism on every topic they don't like or agree with.
Every decent MMO out there has swimming. From MMO's released 10 years ago till MMO's released recently.
The only reason I can think of there is no swimming in this game is that they ran out of time and/or budget. Simple as that.
Oh wow. I am an Aion fan and totally love the game however this topic has been a serious beef of mine and every single excuse I have read on this thread is pure lame fanboyism. The simple fact that you can enter water indicates there is something planned for it, otherwise you would not be able to go so far in. What that is I don't know, it's either proper swimming as you would normally expect, or underwater flying or it'll be a simple message that you're going to drown. The fact there isn't even a breath meter is a serious mistake and yes it does seem sloppy to those who've played games where you can enter water, you expect something to happen other then simply taking damage over time which really feels like a stand in system until the real thing gets implemented. I don't care if you personally like to swim or not, the problem is that as is, it's a sloppy and poor presentation of one part of the game that many western players are going to find retarded and will reflect badly on the whole product. It's like presenting a 5 star meal with one dirty spot on the plate, it's just bad form.
That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library.
While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game.
I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
yes, clearly, all of us who would like swimming in the game are from wow and are wow fanboys, that's why we want swimming. Sherlock, you have solved the case!
LOL!
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The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
I remember the good ol days of Asherons Call....when i ran out on the beach to go out for my first swim.....only to run into a wall....I am fine with what Aion has decided to do. not all mmos need swiming ...i use to hate the water in DAoC ....people would dive and pop to surface over and over to avoid getting hit...using it as LoS <Line of Sight> swiming is not always good for RvR
Well these aren't humans so maybe the buoyancies of their bodies doesn't allow them to stay afloat simply by kicking their legs and arms... I'm just saying.
Personally I could care less about swimming. I don't play an MMO to go swimming nor do I play an MMO to do the annoying quests that involve swimming to the bottom to get quest items ect.
While I don't really mind swimming or diving, it doesn't really mean much to me. I was never fond of the swimming quests in WoW. Nothing worse than fighting Undead under water and trying to swim back up for air, or just forgetting all about breathing by accident. So yeah... Either way it wouldn't matter to me. It does give the world a realer feel, though.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
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The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
Right, I'm acting foolish now because my opinion is different than yours and don't agree with your argument. You keep going back to how useless swimming is but I ask you to look at how useless many things are in mmos but still add to the experience, such as weather, scenery, etc.
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
My immersion to PVP makes me forget all about the water....besides most of the end game wars will take place in the Abyss which has no water period to contend with....YOU CAN FLY lol! and if given the option I will fly over water, much faster FYI.
So ya they sacrificed swimming to nowhere for no reason to flying for ease of travel and enhance a combat factor.
(sarc)OMG how thoughtless of them(sarc)
I am immersed in the other aspects of the game that's there ESP the fun PVP which most MMO's are seriously lacking in these days...I'm sure you can probably find someplace else to swim.
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The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
Right, I'm acting foolish now because my opinion is different than yours and don't agree with your argument. You keep going back to how useless swimming is but I ask you to look at how useless many things are in mmos but still add to the experience, such as weather, scenery, etc.
Okay, what would you want to accomplish by adding swimming to the game now? Where would you go? What would you do?
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well to me it makes sense that you cant swim....bcoz you can fly
i mean, if u have no worries in the world and have everything you need, why use a bicycle if u can use a car....why get on a boat to get from point A to point B if u can fly there....
just my thoughts though
The reason for swimming is to take away from how horribly unrealistic it is to just trudge your way through at the bottom of water. If they want a boundary they can use the invisible boundaries many other mmos use.
Which sounds like wasted development time to me. Water leads to nothing the entire game, why should they waste time adding in swimming animations to go nowhere?
You could keep going with your argument here really. Why have any sort of scenery? Trees, rocks, etc. You don't interact with them. More wasted development time. Why even have buildings to have npcs in, that's a waste, just have them all standing out in the open? It's because it adds to the immersion of the game, that's why you add it.
Now you are just acting foolish . . .
Swimming in Aion would be absolutely useless. What would you do with that extra ten feet you could swim from the shore? Oh, wait; I know what you would do. You would complain that there is an invisible wall stopping you from swimming further and breaking your immersion.
There is no content to be seen via swimming. Adding in any coding for swim animations would require building of walls in the water that were not accessible before. Waste of time that could be spent elsewhere.
Right, I'm acting foolish now because my opinion is different than yours and don't agree with your argument. You keep going back to how useless swimming is but I ask you to look at how useless many things are in mmos but still add to the experience, such as weather, scenery, etc.
Okay, what would you want to accomplish by adding swimming to the game now? Where would you go? What would you do?
Ok, it's obvious we just have two completely different takes on this thing so there's no point in even continuing here. You're focused on the simple practicality of how useful swimming is and I'm coming from a completely different perspective that's not looking at how "useful" something is but how it adds to a game experience, for me. Maybe it doesn't for you, but it does for me.
You fanbots are funny. Instead of just saying:
"Yes, no swimming is just lazy programming.
Yes, limited flying to a few areas is lazy programming.
Yes, only one area per level is lazy progamming.
Yes, only one starter zone is just lazy programming."
...and so on, you try to find exciting stories, why it does make sense in this game.^^
*But...but it is a PvP-game!!!*
You trolls are funny too.
There are 2 areas per level , sometimes even more. Only from 1-20 is there just one area , that`s it. At 20+ there are 2-3 Areas for each levelrange.
Immersion and little details is something NCSoft seems to pride themselves on with Aion (from what I've seen). So when you enter deep water and simply walk across the bottom of the ocean/lake floor like it was nothing, you've just kill some immersion for a lot of people.
Under-water content or not - the way it is now is plain stupid.
No one is asking for them to take 100% of the development teams resources to impliment it, but it's hard to believe that if they spent the time putting resources into the other little details, they could do it for this.
Just imo.
LOL, why spend time and resources on something the game doesn't need...you can't swim to anything. And I suppose you would like to just fly and fly 24/7 through a game that has nor boarders....are you gonna try and get beyond the coded world?? Are there cookies and ice cream there?
Yes the devs should abandon their focus on server stability and class balance, crafting depth and flying combat so some of these fools can RP themselves taking a bath in water that wont drown them and fly into pixel blackness.
There is lore to why you can only fly in certain areas actually, I suppose they should add some lore as to why you cant swim...wait I'll just add it.
You can't swim in AION because the magical properties of the Aether that affects you makes your bodies to dense AND your wearing full armor/gear!! If you need a bath then NCsoft suggests you do this at home in RL.
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LOL, why spend time and resources on something the game doesn't need...you can't swim to anything. And I suppose you would like to just fly and fly 24/7 through a game that has nor boarders....are you gonna try and get beyond the coded world?? Are there cookies and ice cream there?
Yes the devs should abandon their focus on server stability and class balance, crafting depth and flying combat so some of these fools can RP themselves taking a bath in water that wont drown them and fly into pixel blackness.
There is lore to why you can only fly in certain areas actually, I suppose they should add some lore as to why you cant swim...wait I'll just add it.
You can't swim in AION because the magical properties of the Aether that affects you makes your bodies to dense AND your wearing full armor/gear!! If you need a bath then NCsoft suggests you do this at home in RL.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
LOL, why spend time and resources on something the game doesn't need...you can't swim to anything. And I suppose you would like to just fly and fly 24/7 through a game that has nor boarders....are you gonna try and get beyond the coded world?? Are there cookies and ice cream there?
Yes the devs should abandon their focus on server stability and class balance, crafting depth and flying combat so some of these fools can RP themselves taking a bath in water that wont drown them and fly into pixel blackness.
There is lore to why you can only fly in certain areas actually, I suppose they should add some lore as to why you cant swim...wait I'll just add it.
You can't swim in AION because the magical properties of the Aether that affects you makes your bodies to dense AND your wearing full armor/gear!! If you need a bath then NCsoft suggests you do this at home in RL.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
The game designers may have seen it as "it's something hard to do" not as in the game code but as in having players who have freaking full armor and gear trying to swim something that's "hard to do" if not impossible...ergo they don't stop you from going into deep water and drowning yourself.
Along these lines they may have thought "maybe PC's can swim if they have 0 to no gear on" but who is gonna do this??? seriously??? Just to swim for no other reason...there is no game content to be had in deep water...you can fly in the Abyss so no need for it there.
The way it's designed makes perfect sense to a degree that is very tolerable, only the extremely pessimistic minds will rage/dwell/argue over there not being any swimming in a this game.
AION chose to focus on flight it seems, and from my understanding coding airial combat is hard and they did a great job with it.....I could maybe seeing them having an area/areas that you can only get to by going under water, but you would have to contend with being weighted down with all your armor/gear and breathing/healing to make it to those areas.
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I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
The game designers may have seen it as "it's something hard to do" not as in the game code but as in having players who have freaking full armor and gear trying to swim something that's "hard to do" if not impossible...ergo they don't stop you from going into deep water and drowning yourself. Along these lines they may have thought "maybe PC's can swim if they have 0 to no gear on" but who is gonna do this??? seriously??? Just to swim for no other reason...there is no game content to be had in deep water...you can fly in the Abyss so no need for it there.
The way it's designed makes perfect sense to a degree that is very tolerable, only the extremely pessimistic minds will rage/dwell/argue over there not being any swimming in a this game.
AION chose to focus on flight it seems, and from my understanding coding airial combat is hard and they did a great job with it.....I could maybe seeing them having an area/areas that you can only get to by going under water, but you would have to contend with being weighted down with all your armor/gear and breathing/healing to make it to those areas.
Wouldn't it be just as hard to fly with all that full armor?
Ah, but according to the lore the wings are "magical" - or something - right? Then let players "magically" swim.
The reason for swimmning is purely for detail and immersion, which IMO is sound enough reasoning for any fantasy game. They can add underwater content later if they want but I doubt that'll happen.
It's not stopping me from enjoying the game, but I definately think it should be there for reasons I've previously stated and I don't have a problem with sharing those reasons.
I wouldn't assume it would take the entire Aion team to impliment swimming. You can focus on many aspects of a game at once. Obviously seen in other games - where you see new content and expansions being worked on and released while at the same time you continuely get patches fixes bugs, exploits, class balancing, stability, etc.
I've said an official word would be great on the subject, that way we would know just how exactly hard or not hard it would be to impliment swimming. Is it something they just didn't see a demand for in the KOR/CN release? Or is it something truely difficult to do?
The game designers may have seen it as "it's something hard to do" not as in the game code but as in having players who have freaking full armor and gear trying to swim something that's "hard to do" if not impossible...ergo they don't stop you from going into deep water and drowning yourself. Along these lines they may have thought "maybe PC's can swim if they have 0 to no gear on" but who is gonna do this??? seriously??? Just to swim for no other reason...there is no game content to be had in deep water...you can fly in the Abyss so no need for it there.
The way it's designed makes perfect sense to a degree that is very tolerable, only the extremely pessimistic minds will rage/dwell/argue over there not being any swimming in a this game.
AION chose to focus on flight it seems, and from my understanding coding airial combat is hard and they did a great job with it.....I could maybe seeing them having an area/areas that you can only get to by going under water, but you would have to contend with being weighted down with all your armor/gear and breathing/healing to make it to those areas.
Wouldn't it be just as hard to fly with all that full armor?
Ah, but according to the lore the wings are "magical" - or something - right? Then let players "magically" swim.
The reason for swimmning is purely for detail and immersion, which IMO is sound enough reasoning for any fantasy game. They can add underwater content later if they want but I doubt that'll happen.
It's not stopping me from enjoying the game, but I definately think it should be there for reasons I've previously stated and I don't have a problem with sharing those reasons.
It's an alien world, maybe the air is a little thicker with oxygen, maybe the water has altered properties as well. But flying is magical?? maybe but I know it has something to do with the alien element Aether which exists on this alien world. And referring to the "why can they fly weighted down?" Well it has to do with the alien nature of this world and race and since flying time runs out fast they may have also took the weight idea into consideration.
If they put content that would make swimming a "real" issue then it would be a real issue. But so far on this alien world players cant swim....
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Oh wow.
I am an Aion fan and totally love the game however this topic has been a serious beef of mine and every single excuse I have read on this thread is pure lame fanboyism.
The simple fact that you can enter water indicates there is something planned for it, otherwise you would not be able to go so far in. What that is I don't know, it's either proper swimming as you would normally expect, or underwater flying or it'll be a simple message that you're going to drown.
The fact there isn't even a breath meter is a serious mistake and yes it does seem sloppy to those who've played games where you can enter water, you expect something to happen other then simply taking damage over time which really feels like a stand in system until the real thing gets implemented.
I don't care if you personally like to swim or not, the problem is that as is, it's a sloppy and poor presentation of one part of the game that many western players are going to find retarded and will reflect badly on the whole product. It's like presenting a 5 star meal with one dirty spot on the plate, it's just bad form.
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That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library.
While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game.
I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
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How many of you here have played beyond the first starter zone? Those of you that have, how many large bodies of water that are deeper than knee level are there in the world? I am willing to bet they can be counted on one hand.
I could understand adding swimming into the game if there where more areas that it was needed but for now there is just not enough water to even bother, which I am sure is the reason people's wishes are falling on deaf ears.
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That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library.
While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game.
I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
yes, clearly, all of us who would like swimming in the game are from wow and are wow fanboys, that's why we want swimming. Sherlock, you have solved the case!
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yes, clearly, all of us who would like swimming in the game are from wow and are wow fanboys, that's why we want swimming. Sherlock, you have solved the case!
Yeah. What a retarded comment that was. Getting pretty fed up with these idiots constantly calling WoW fanboism on every topic they don't like or agree with.
Every decent MMO out there has swimming. From MMO's released 10 years ago till MMO's released recently.
The only reason I can think of there is no swimming in this game is that they ran out of time and/or budget. Simple as that.
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That's totally assuming that the water on that planet is the same as it is on earth, hell at 6 feet down the elements of liquid may change radically...who knows?? It isn't a science or tech based game so the population may not even have a periodic table of elements in the library.
While I am far from a AION fanboi, I just like it because it has a good pvp system and think some of it's content is corny. I would want them to put in housing, maybe player cities and some other elements not currently available in a quality game. Swimming is at the bottom of a very long list of things they could do to enhance the game.
I think the majority if not all of the "i want to swim" cries actually come from WoW fanboisms. And if that's the case then go swim in WoW.
yes, clearly, all of us who would like swimming in the game are from wow and are wow fanboys, that's why we want swimming. Sherlock, you have solved the case!
LOL!