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Why so much negativity towards Obamas presidency?
Ozarumon
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It is as if people can predict the future, not even one year can change much into a presidency. George Bush does not even get blamed for 9/11 happening, they say it was too soon into his presidency and that happened 8 months + days into his presidency yet 3-6 months into Obamas presidency, everything is claimed to be Obamas now, its the Obama economy now etc.
I just dont see why we have such a gloomy outlook none of us can predict the future, maybe even two years from now we will all be living great again. I dont know why people keep having such gloomy outlooks.
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It's because he is very similar to Bush. At least that's why I'm fairly critical of him.
Nationalizing car companies
Nationalizing banks
2-3 trillion deficit in one year.
Trying to socialize healthcare.
Pushing for Cap-n-Trade.
Running econemy into the ground.
Sucking up to every dictator there is while being hostile to our allies.
Just being an arrogent ass, blaming everything on Bush and refusing to take resposibility for anything.
But hey, he reads speaches well!
Throws money at killing babies and destroying the fundamental understanding of marriage.
MMO migrant.
Please no more bronze-age superstitions man. I'm sure you're a really nice guy, and you seem to be well spoken in most of your posts, but please, I can't handle any more people who think that their life is somehow affected by 2 other people being married. It has no affect on you in any way, shape or form, and you know this. Jesus speaks more about divorce than homosexuality, yet people never rally about divorce, and I'm yet to see a church that doesn't make some allowance for it. Even though jesus made no exceptions when he said "What God has joined together, let no man put asunder" (Mark 10:9).
You speak for the neo-Con theocratic group.
There are a lot of us that dislike Obama's policies so far because they go against the practices of a free nation. Much like Bush's policies did during his tenure. But Bush's practices went mostly ignored by your group, unlike you're willing to do with Obama. Because Bush was pegged as a good Christian fundamentalist. In actuality he was doing just about everything he could to use the executive branch as a evangelical tool. Bush was no more a protector of freedom and self-determination then Obama is.
And btw, my fundamental understanding of marriage does not match up to yours. So who's right, you or me?
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As a euro who lives under a socialistic system.. I don't want to see a great country such as the U.S fall into a socialistic trap,
People say he's just like another Bush. Nothing has changed, but the thread creator is correct. No one is giving Obama some time. He just started and has all the problems on top of him, that Bush left for him. He said by late 2010 or early/late 2011, everything will turn out great. Economy won't be in the break. Just give him some time to set everything. We are still searching Iraq, and the money is going over to that.
Please no more bronze-age superstitions man. I'm sure you're a really nice guy, and you seem to be well spoken in most of your posts, but please, I can't handle any more people who think that their life is somehow affected by 2 other people being married. It has no affect on you in any way, shape or form, and you know this. Jesus speaks more about divorce than homosexuality, yet people never rally about divorce, and I'm yet to see a church that doesn't make some allowance for it. Even though jesus made no exceptions when he said "What God has joined together, let no man put asunder" (Mark 10:9).
I won't get into the homosexual debate here, but his other point stands. Obama's admitted stance on abortion is frankly appalling. Apparently late stage abortions are not only ok, but if the child survives the abortion, the doctors are told to kill it. I've always laughed hard at the people wanting to outlaw abortions entirely, but this crap so far the other way it is disgusting.
Xbox, time is something we do not have. While we wait for this miracle turnaround, that has shown absolutely no signs of coming, he has managed to drag us further down into debt than anyone else in history. Even if his measures work, it will take decades to recover from his "fix".
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Please no more bronze-age superstitions man. I'm sure you're a really nice guy, and you seem to be well spoken in most of your posts, but please, I can't handle any more people who think that their life is somehow affected by 2 other people being married. It has no affect on you in any way, shape or form, and you know this. Jesus speaks more about divorce than homosexuality, yet people never rally about divorce, and I'm yet to see a church that doesn't make some allowance for it. Even though jesus made no exceptions when he said "What God has joined together, let no man put asunder" (Mark 10:9).
I won't get into the homosexual debate here, but his other point stands. Obama's admitted stance on abortion is frankly appalling. Apparently late stage abortions are not only ok, but if the child survives the abortion, the doctors are told to kill it. I've always laughed hard at the people wanting to outlaw abortions entirely, but this crap so far the other way it is disgusting.
I don't argue abortion. I'm pro choice, not late-term pro-choice, but still pro-choice. I also understand the stance pro-lifers take. If I felt that a baby was being murdered during abortion I would be appalled as well. It really just boils down to when is it a seed and when does it become a human, we differ on that and that alone. you will never see me argue people who feel differently about the situation on this issue.
@VENDAYN ; About 2-3 years ago i saw an interview with maynard James Keenan, lead singer from Tool and A Perfect Circle. His mother was a history teacher, and he is very much a history buff himself. he said the exact same thing. he sat and drew parralels between Rome and Modern America, it was very interesting.
Please no more bronze-age superstitions man. I'm sure you're a really nice guy, and you seem to be well spoken in most of your posts, but please, I can't handle any more people who think that their life is somehow affected by 2 other people being married. It has no affect on you in any way, shape or form, and you know this. Jesus speaks more about divorce than homosexuality, yet people never rally about divorce, and I'm yet to see a church that doesn't make some allowance for it. Even though jesus made no exceptions when he said "What God has joined together, let no man put asunder" (Mark 10:9).
I won't get into the homosexual debate here, but his other point stands. Obama's admitted stance on abortion is frankly appalling. Apparently late stage abortions are not only ok, but if the child survives the abortion, the doctors are told to kill it. I've always laughed hard at the people wanting to outlaw abortions entirely, but this crap so far the other way it is disgusting.
I don't argue abortion. I'm pro choice, not late-term pro-choice, but still pro-choice. I also understand the stance pro-lifers take. If I felt that a baby was being murdered during abortion I would be appalled as well. It really just boils down to when is it a seed and when does it become a human, we differ on that and that alone. you will never see me argue people who feel differently about the situation on this issue.
@VENDAYN ; About 2-3 years ago i saw an interview with maynard James Keenan, lead singer from Tool and A Perfect Circle. His mother was a history teacher, and he is very much a history buff himself. he said the exact same thing. he sat and drew parralels between Rome and Modern America, it was very interesting.
Since you like to quote scripture when it serves you. Jer 1:5 (abortion early term isn't a life)
But to OP...
You ask us to give Obama time, yet time is against us.... If we just do nothing, it will be too late.
The man has been very clear about his agenda, and it's socialism. pure and simple...you can't dress it up to be a woman when it's still a man, people can see the truth.
This man knew that he had to push healthcare fast or we'd wise up to it....he needed time to get the air cleared before midterm elections...now they're going to be trying to vote on this alot closer to election time...hence the danger to democrats...they know this failed in the past and it will fail again....they are trying to decide right now if it's worth it....they won't vote now because the american people are rising up and standing against this horrible move.
Nationalizing car companies
-I bet the government will do a much better job than GM was doing. GM managed to be both a big business and find a way to run itself pretty drastically into the ground. Hey maybe now that the government is running it we can have more parts and assembly in the USA.
Nationalizing banks
2-3 trillion deficit in one year.
the recovery act will save America 2.2 trillion $ in the next 10 years. health care reform is designed to lower deficit. granted the recovery act was expensive, but perhaps you fail to see any value in it? or fail to see 2.2 trillion $ of value in it over the next 10 years.
Trying to socialize healthcare.
the public option should go through and I wish my dr. were more social with me instead of running tests and then referring me to someone else. oh and you can keep your old healthcare plan.
Pushing for Cap-n-Trade.
Running econemy into the ground.
Sucking up to every dictator there is while being hostile to our allies.
Just being an arrogent ass, blaming everything on Bush and refusing to take resposibility for anything.
But hey, he reads speaches well!
I'm not going to reply to this junk ^
the bottomline is that Obama is trying to eliminate wasteful spending while trying to get our economy back on track. that what he says, and if he wants to take longer to refine a health care reform, well I say that this will give more time to perfect the bill. good for him, not pushing something that isn't ready.
Because people want to believe something horrendous is happening so they can have a cause to support.
That's it. It's always been like that, it's always going to be like that.
I don't even want to go into the people who claim that he's "Just like Bush." Pointing out a few similarities does not equate to being the same. It's just a fad phrase people like to use because they want to hate on politicians. For every similarity in political ideology you point out between Obama and Bush, there are 2 differences.
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His actions are what concern me. His inability to see cause and effect concern me greatly. As for those that say he isn;t like Bush, He is Like Bush where it matters. The worst thing Bush did in his entire presidency, as far as I am concerned was spent too much money and failed to respect our constitution. I see Obama spending more, and disrespecting our constitution as well and I am supposed to be happy about it? We have to pay for this, Every time we drive up the debt and produce more money, it makes every dollar we own and will own worth less than it was before. This has devesating consequences to our people. I do not understand how people can fail to see the cause and effect of these actions and the position it puts us it. You scream, "you can;t tell the future", but as for those of us that make plans for the future and change our future with those plans we very much understand how planning works.
His plans are shortsighted and WRONG. He does not consider all the factors, it looks as though he is working with half the instruction manual rather than reading the whole book. I do not understand how people can not see that. When they give me the "Well, something is better than nothing "response, I strongly disagree, if that something is the wrong answer then instead of knowingly do the wrong thing, take it back to the drawing table until you get it right before you implement it.
Because he is a filthy lying communist.
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When my greatest concern is the over arching influence of the federal government and it's out of control growth, then no they are not different at all.
That is all I'm concerned about. To me, they are both thieves of freedom and see the Constitution and Bill of Rights as nothing but an annoyance.
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Nationalizing car companies
-I bet the government will do a much better job than GM was doing. GM managed to be both a big business and find a way to run itself pretty drastically into the ground. Hey maybe now that the government is running it we can have more parts and assembly in the USA.
WOW? this responce leaved me wide eyed! you have to be kidding? Exactly what may I ask makes you even think that? The government is slow and bogged down with Bearacracy they overspend and waste money with their every venture.
Nationalizing banks
2-3 trillion deficit in one year.
the recovery act will save America 2.2 trillion $ in the next 10 years. health care reform is designed to lower deficit. granted the recovery act was expensive, but perhaps you fail to see any value in it? or fail to see 2.2 trillion $ of value in it over the next 10 years.
Umm actaully they stated they could save close to 1 trillion.. The only problem is with the numbers they were showing of people cared for. in the expenses it was only showing for 1/3rd of the people that would need to be treated. out of the 1 trillion dollar cost.. which means they save close to 1 trillion but will spend in excess of 3 trillion. Also When has the government EVER been correct in predicting expenses. General rule of thumb is if they say its going to be 3 trillion you can bet your bottom dollar that its going to be closer to 6 trillion. Need I remind you of the FIRST stimulus that was only (LOL laughable) cost us 700billion has now exceeded 2.3 trillion.
Trying to socialize healthcare.
the public option should go through and I wish my dr. were more social with me instead of running tests and then referring me to someone else. oh and you can keep your old healthcare plan.
LOL I will thank you better that than be put on a waiting list or left to die on a lottery system. At least in America I know I can get treated. If i dont mind working. Sure America has its faults with its healthcare system. You can blame frivelous lawsuits on that. Those doctors have to run tests to watch their backsides due to the fact that trial lawyers have run amuck with frivelous lawsuits. Also drug companies need to lower their costs.. Look at walmart has done with pharmacy costs. Thats the freemarket at work and that is what is needed NOT socialized healthcare. That takes freedom out of the hands of the people and gives it to the government to decide whats good for you.
Pushing for Cap-n-Trade.
Running econemy into the ground.
Sucking up to every dictator there is while being hostile to our allies.
Just being an arrogent ass, blaming everything on Bush and refusing to take resposibility for anything.
But hey, he reads speaches well!
I'm not going to reply to this junk ^
the bottomline is that Obama is trying to eliminate wasteful spending while trying to get our economy back on track. that what he says, and if he wants to take longer to refine a health care reform, well I say that this will give more time to perfect the bill. good for him, not pushing something that isn't ready.
The bottom line is this. Obama is slowly but surely stripping the freedoms and liberties of the people of america and giving power to the government to make choices for us. He fires CEOs of companys tries to set pay. That is not america. Read the definition of Fascism Wait here you go I will copy and paste it.
Fascism
1. (sometimes initial capital letter) a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.
Currently Under Obamas path we are treading the same waters that Nazi Germany went down in terms of government. Read a little bit of World history and you cant deny it.
Uhh...ok. I was sure I said before that I understand the position of people who are pro-life. I'm also pretty sure I didn't quote the scripture because I believe it to be true. I did it to reference the inconsistancy of people railing against homosexuality because it's against biblical teachings, but not having the same standard for divorce, which is equally against biblical teachings.
Try and pay attention to what someone is talking about next time Faxxer, instead of just responding to what you wanted to hear from them.
Nationalizing car companies
-I bet the government will do a much better job than GM was doing. GM managed to be both a big business and find a way to run itself pretty drastically into the ground. Hey maybe now that the government is running it we can have more parts and assembly in the USA.
the bottomline is that Obama is trying to eliminate wasteful spending while trying to get our economy back on track. that what he says, and if he wants to take longer to refine a health care reform, well I say that this will give more time to perfect the bill. good for him, not pushing something that isn't ready.
I'm only going to reply to the GM comment.
You DO realize that GM held over 66% of the North American market for auto sales? When gasoline prices hit $4 per gallon people stopped buying cars, and GM sales, just like Toyota, Honda and every other manufacturer's sales, tanked.
Toyota and Honda manufacture heavy duty pickup trucks (Tundra), SUVs, and minivans also, just like GM. They do so because the American consumer prefered to buy them over the smaller cars, or hybrid cars. The American consumer still prefers to buy them over the smaller cars, and the hybrids. Research the Prius sales levels, they're down, Toyota moth balled a new US Prius manufacturing facility.
You make it sound like GM is the only car company hurting, that foreign car companies are going great guns, selling cars all over the world like there's no tomorrow.
Now Government Motors gets to produce the Volt as it's green savior. Put your money where your tree hugging mouth is, the Volt will run $40,000; the battery for the Volt alone costs $16,000. And they don't know how long that battery will last. You love the environment, dig down deep in your pocket and buy the car that the government says Americans want to drive.
Conversely, you can also go buy a friggin Fiat from the other government owned US auto company.
That's your choice, unless you care to look at the Fusion, the Flex, or any of the other models sold at the only non-US government domestic owned auto company. Funny, that auto company is doing pretty well right now, selling what Americans want to buy, not what the government mandates Americans buy.
Or you can buy foreign, and help foreign workers get back on their jobs.
Well, this just proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Obama hasn't done DICK about same-sex marriage. He should, but he hasn't.
There are some legitimate concerns regarding Obama. There's also some that are completely fictional, like the "sucking up to dictators while being hostile to our allies" nonsense that was cited earlier. I would say the majority of objections to Obama's presidency are the result of outright lies spewed by Fox News and the Republican party.
How many businesses does government run well and efficiently and without deficits for you to make a statement like that?
Cap and Trade doesn't even deserve a response? Really? Do people still think only "rich" people and businesses are going to be paying for that?
I like how Obama keeps spending money to save money. "Honey, I saved us a lot of money today. ...these $500 shoes were on sale for only $400. I saved $100!"
Listen man. Its a free country. Regardless of who wins if Mccain was president people would bitch just as much but about different issues. There will always be people who are unhappy with the choices of the president and government for one reason or another. If I were you I would ignore most everyones opinion when it comes to politics, try to do your own research, avoid watching the news because often times they don't report fair and balance news.
Some reliable sources you can trust perhaps the
AP
San Jose Mercury
"Maybe New york times but I wouldn't anymore", at least they don't let us use them in our speech and debate team at my college now because they have been unbalanced on some issues in the past.
Best bet is to do your own research on a topic and figure out which side you want to take or if you just want to stay neutral. Ignore bias arguments and debates because they usually end up turning into pointless ad hominems and fallacious statements. Not to mention most people just jump on the band wagon anyhow without getting informed.
Because his socialist tax and spend economic policies are ruining this country.
Not sure what country you live in buddy, but 66% of the American people LIKE Obama and his presidency, lol.
They simply don't share the same view you have.
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Not sure what country you live in buddy, but 66% of the American people LIKE Obama and his presidency, lol.
They simply don't share the same view you have.
Of course they do after all he is engauging in widespread class warfare. By the time he is done with his health care and cap and tax initiatives he will be arm pit deep in the wallets of the people in this country that actually make money.
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Not sure what country you live in buddy, but 66% of the American people LIKE Obama and his presidency, lol.
They simply don't share the same view you have.
75% of Americans have an average or below average I.Q. I think there is a correlation.