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Why so much negativity towards Obamas presidency?

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  • BrianshoBriansho Member UncommonPosts: 3,586

    Why so much negativity towards Obamas presidency?

    Basically because we are a divided country between two invented political parties. The democrats and republicans. As long as people keep thinking in terms of 2 different parties or factions that are (supposedly) opposite and are against each other, instead of a nation under all people the bullshit will keep churning and we will be at each others throats about something all the time.

    Kinda makes you wonder if we are truly hardwired to work against each other or something that might be different from us. Or is it the media and pressures in society that keep pointing out the differences between us, almost feels subliminal and weird. We have a severe "us against them/something" attitude that is seen as the cool, hip, or patriotic thing to do. We are all citizens of a great country that should have a main goal of helping each other and making us stronger instead of slowly destroying ourselves from within. If we are to truly become stronger we must not keep looking, depending, and hoping for our govt to come and save us. Technically we are the people who make up the govt, all of us. We elect people that are supposed to assist us with our goals and tasks but now it seems we elect people who will keep us against one another. We should never hand over this much power to one person, a group of people, or a company to automate everything that goes on in our daily lives. All of us need to keep them in check constantly, instead of them keeping us in check.

    I mean come on now, what was the purpose of sailing across the ocean and starting a new way of life?

    Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!

  • SabiancymSabiancym Member UncommonPosts: 3,150
    Originally posted by Porfat

    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by RedwoodSap

    Because his socialist tax and spend economic policies are ruining this country.

     

    Not sure what country you live in buddy, but 66% of the American people LIKE Obama and his presidency, lol.

     



    They simply don't share the same view you have.



     

    75% of Americans have an average or below average I.Q.   I think there is a correlation.

     

    So does that stat suddenly change whenever someone other than a liberal is president? 

  • EkibiogamiEkibiogami Member UncommonPosts: 2,154
    Originally posted by Sabiancym

    Originally posted by Porfat

    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by RedwoodSap

    Because his socialist tax and spend economic policies are ruining this country.

     

    Not sure what country you live in buddy, but 66% of the American people LIKE Obama and his presidency, lol.

     



    They simply don't share the same view you have.



     

    75% of Americans have an average or below average I.Q.   I think there is a correlation.

     

    So does that stat suddenly change whenever someone other than a liberal is president? 



     

    No. Your side just starts Bringing it up.

    If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
    —Samuel Adams

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by Porfat

    75% of Americans have an average or below average I.Q.   I think there is a correlation.


     
    Texas the second most populated state in the United States. I wonder if theres a correlation somewhere there too.
  • hooptyhoopty Member UncommonPosts: 788
    Originally posted by slaphappy33

    Originally posted by MarleVVLL


    Throws money at killing babies and destroying the fundamental understanding of marriage.

     

    Well, this just proves you have no idea what you're talking about. Obama hasn't done DICK about same-sex marriage. He should, but he hasn't.

    There are some legitimate concerns regarding Obama. There's also some that are completely fictional, like the "sucking up to dictators while being hostile to our allies" nonsense that was cited earlier. I would say the majority of objections to Obama's presidency are the result of outright lies spewed by Fox News and the Republican party.

    What the America people need to do is kick everyone out of Congress and from the President down..And put the Average Joe in there who has not been tainted by Politics or went to school to become one.God. There people still in there who make a career out of it..Nothing will ever change.yes the president might change every 4 years.But we still have the same old Dip shits in the House and Senate and or Congress they need to go..

    Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by hoopty

    What the America people need to do is kick everyone out of Congress and from the President down..And put the Average Joe in there who has not been tainted by Politics or went to school to become one.God.


    We could do it like American Idol or America's Got Talent. Just have these big auditions for whoever wants to be mayor, governor, senator, vice president or president.


    image

    "Text 113 to become Speaker of the House. Text 114 to become a senator. Text 115 to become the President. Additional charges may apply."

    Excellent idea.

  • JosherJosher Member Posts: 2,818
    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by hoopty
     
    What the America people need to do is kick everyone out of Congress and from the President down..And put the Average Joe in there who has not been tainted by Politics or went to school to become one.God.

     

    We could do it like American Idol or America's Got Talent. Just have these big auditions for whoever wants to be mayor, governor, senator, vice president or president.



    "Text 113 to become Speaker of the House. Text 114 to become a senator. Text 115 to become the President. Additional charges may apply."

     

     

    Excellent idea.

    Its funny, but think about what could actually get done if the president owed NO ONE except the people he serves?   If his decisions were only about whats really best for the country.  Imagine if a politician didn't have to pander to this group or that group?  Throwing lobbyists along with certain types scummy lawyers into a black hole would be a good start;) 

  • PorfatPorfat Member Posts: 364
    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by Porfat
     
    75% of Americans have an average or below average I.Q.   I think there is a correlation.



     

    Texas the second most populated state in the United States. I wonder if theres a correlation somewhere there too.

     



     

    A better example would be California.  (The most populated state).  Reality is hitting them hard that they can't continuously spend more then they take in.

    I wish Obama and the 2/3s that support him were smart enough to learn that lesson.

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    Whats in the heath care bill and you will know why all the negativity towarsa Obama and the dems.

    Good News: Abortions and Assisted Suicides will NOT be Rationed!

    The Economic Policy Journal points us to Peter Fleckstein, who twittered the contents of the House Socialized Medicine bill. Oh, what a treat your family is in for.

    • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

    • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

    • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

    • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

    • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

    • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

    • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

    • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

    • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

    • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

    • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

    • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

    • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

    • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

    • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

    • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

    • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

    • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

    • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

    • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

    • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

    • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

    • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

    • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

    • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

    • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

    • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

    • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

    • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

    • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

    • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

    • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

    • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

    • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

    • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

    • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

    • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

    • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

    • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

    • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

    • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

    • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

    • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.

    What is it with Democrats? The only medical services that they don't want to ration are abortion and assisted suicide!



    Labels: Democrats, Healthcare, Obama, Pelosi,Reid



     

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • windstrike1windstrike1 Member Posts: 553
    Originally posted by frodus


    Whats in the heath care bill and you will know why all the negativity towarsa Obama and the dems.
    Good News: Abortions and Assisted Suicides will NOT be Rationed!
    The Economic Policy Journal points us to Peter Fleckstein, who twittered the contents of the House Socialized Medicine bill. Oh, what a treat your family is in for.
    • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

    • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

    • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

    • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

    • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

    • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

    • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

    • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

    • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

    • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

    • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

    • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

    • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

    • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

    • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

    • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

    • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

    • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

    • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

    • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

    • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

    • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

    • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

    • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

    • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

    • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

    • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

    • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

    • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

    • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

    • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

    • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

    • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

    • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

    • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

    • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

    • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

    • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

    • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

    • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

    • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

    • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

    • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
    What is it with Democrats? The only medical services that they don't want to ration are abortion and assisted suicide!


    Labels: Democrats, Healthcare, Obama, Pelosi,Reid


     

    Cha-Cha-Cha-Changes!

     

  • DailyBuzzDailyBuzz Member Posts: 2,306
    Originally posted by frodus


    Whats in the heath care bill and you will know why all the negativity towarsa Obama and the dems.
    Good News: Abortions and Assisted Suicides will NOT be Rationed!
    The Economic Policy Journal points us to Peter Fleckstein, who twittered the contents of the House Socialized Medicine bill. Oh, what a treat your family is in for.
    • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

    • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

    • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

    • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

    • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

    • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

    • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

    • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

    • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

    • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

    • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

    • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

    • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

    • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

    • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

    • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

    • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

    • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

    • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

    • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

    • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

    • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

    • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

    • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

    • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

    • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

    • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

    • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

    • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

    • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

    • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

    • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

    • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

    • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

    • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

    • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

    • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

    • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

    • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

    • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

    • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

    • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

    • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
    What is it with Democrats? The only medical services that they don't want to ration are abortion and assisted suicide!


    Labels: Democrats, Healthcare, Obama, Pelosi,Reid


     

    Wow, I've read quite a few bills in my day and that list looks nothing like legalese. Paraphrasing, I'm sure.

  • PorfatPorfat Member Posts: 364
    riginally posted by DailyBuzz


    Wow, I've read quite a few bills in my day and that list looks nothing like legalese. Paraphrasing, I'm sure.



     

    Read it for yourself.

    http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h3200/text

     

  • TrizicTrizic Member Posts: 76
    Originally posted by Josher


    Its funny, but think about what could actually get done if the president owed NO ONE except the people he serves?   If his decisions were only about whats really best for the country.  Imagine if a politician didn't have to pander to this group or that group?  Throwing lobbyists along with certain types scummy lawyers into a black hole would be a good start;) 

    The problem is "the people" contrary to what everyone believes are not the people who know "what is best" for a country. If a country was ever DIRECTLY ruled by its populace I guarantee you it would be decimated, destroyed or in some sort of civil war within a week.

    The average joe isn’t running the country, has never run a country and hopefully never will run a country for a good reason. He is unfit to.

    Want more proof of this? Take a look a Prop 8 in California. “The people” can’t even follow their own damn constitution which they worship (when its to their benefit).

     

     

    "A stupid idea to you is the memory of a lifetime for me"

  • kiddyno071kiddyno071 Member Posts: 1,330
    Originally posted by Porfat

    Originally posted by popinjay


     

    Originally posted by Porfat
     
    75% of Americans have an average or below average I.Q.   I think there is a correlation.



     

    Texas the second most populated state in the United States. I wonder if theres a correlation somewhere there too.

     



     

    A better example would be California.  (The most populated state).  Reality is hitting them hard that they can't continuously spend more then they take in.

    I wish Obama and the 2/3s that support him were smart enough to learn that lesson.



     

    How usless is that figure?  You want to make a point, post how many have below average IQ and of that population, how many voted for Obama?  Actually, forget it!  The stat is worthless... but thanks anyways. 

    Also, anyone who thinks that this countries problems began in January are fooling themselves and if they think that anyone else would be doing much better... then they are an idiot.

     

    edit: typo

  • frodusfrodus Member Posts: 2,396

    WHY   WHY   WHY the hate  Mr  prez

    Trade in material assumptions for spiritual facts and make permanent progress.

  • I believe Nikita Khrushchev once said something like:

    "We can't expect the American people to jump from Capitalism to Communism,

    but we can assist their elected leaders in giving them small doses of Socialism,

    until they awaken one day to find that they have Communism."

     

    He might have liked Obama.

  • Aetius73Aetius73 Member Posts: 1,257
    Originally posted by TheFranchise

    Originally posted by Thrakk 
    Nationalizing car companies
    -I bet the government will do a much better job than GM was doing. GM managed to be both a big business and find a way to run itself pretty drastically into the ground. Hey maybe now that the government is running it we can have more parts and assembly in the USA.

    How many businesses does government run well and efficiently and without deficits for you to make a statement like that? 

     

    Cap and Trade doesn't even deserve a response?  Really?  Do people still think only "rich" people and businesses are going to be paying for that?  

     

    I like how Obama keeps spending money to save money.  "Honey, I saved us a lot of money today.  ...these $500 shoes were on sale for only $400.  I saved $100!"

    Yeah no joke. The part that cracks me up is that the last Democratic President was the biggest killer of manufacturing jobs in history of the United States between Nafta and granting China most favored nation trading status due to the generous contributions to his campaign he managed to almost kill the manufacturing sector. Just to make sure it is good and dead Obama's Cap and Tax will create another wave of outsourcing as domestic companies are forced to move what is left of our manufacturing base overseas just to be competitive. There is a country that has a similar plan already in place Spain. Their current unemployment rate is 18%.

    It boggles my mind why Unions keep support these guys.

  • windstrike1windstrike1 Member Posts: 553
    Originally posted by DailyBuzz

    Originally posted by frodus


    Whats in the heath care bill and you will know why all the negativity towarsa Obama and the dems.
    Good News: Abortions and Assisted Suicides will NOT be Rationed!
    The Economic Policy Journal points us to Peter Fleckstein, who twittered the contents of the House Socialized Medicine bill. Oh, what a treat your family is in for.
    • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!

    • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!

    • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process)

    • Page 42: The "Health Choices Commissioner" will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None.

    • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services.

    • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.

    • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer.

    • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and ACORN)

    • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare Exchange.

    • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government control of private plans)

    • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens

    • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care plan.

    • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.

    • Page 124: No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No "judicial review" is permitted against the government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.

    • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.

    • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.

    • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.

    • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax on payroll

    • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2 to 6% tax on payroll

    • Page 167: Any individual who doesnt' have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed 2.5% of income.

    • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).

    • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American financial and personal records.

    • Page 203: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." Yes, it really says that.

    • Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid. Seniors and the poor most affected."

    • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what speciality you have, you'll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)

    • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors' time, their professional judgment, etc.

    • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.

    • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.

    • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!

    • Page 280: Hospitals will be penalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.

    • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will be penalized by the government.

    • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!

    • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.

    • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on "community" input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.

    • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.

    • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.

    • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.

    • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).

    • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?

    • Page 425: Government will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.

    • Page 425: Goverment provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.

    • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life ends.

    • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient's health deteriorates. This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.

    • Page 430: Government will decide what level of treatments you may have at end-of-life.

    • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.

    • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Government intervenes in your marriage.

    • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.
    What is it with Democrats? The only medical services that they don't want to ration are abortion and assisted suicide!


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    Wow, I've read quite a few bills in my day and that list looks nothing like legalese. Paraphrasing, I'm sure.

    Maybe because it is a series of tweets? 

    I assume you've read the bill by now. Go ahead and debunk this list as best you are able. Your President is counting on you.

     

     

     

  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449

    It's because most white Americans are racist even though they would never admit it or can't see it for themselves. At least that's what I think is the underlying issue. And that goes for all races.

     

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  • windstrike1windstrike1 Member Posts: 553
    Originally posted by tillamook


    It's because most white Americans are racist even though they would never admit it or can't see it for themselves. At least that's what I think is the underlying issue. And that goes for all races.

     

     

    And you don't find it at all ironic that you are calling entire races of people racists?

     

  • TillerTiller Member LegendaryPosts: 11,449
    Originally posted by windstrike1

    Originally posted by tillamook


    It's because most white Americans are racist even though they would never admit it or can't see it for themselves. At least that's what I think is the underlying issue. And that goes for all races.

     

     

    And you don't find it at all ironic that you are calling entire races of people racists?

     



    I think I pretty much said everyone is, in their own way. We all have our prejudices, It's human nature. We are all racist, in some ways. I'm not gonna get into the long explanations in this thread as to why I believe this is what is happening here though since it would turn this thread off topic.

     

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  • Scubie67Scubie67 Member UncommonPosts: 462

     

    Originally posted by tillamook

    Originally posted by windstrike1

    Originally posted by tillamook


    It's because most white Americans are racist even though they would never admit it or can't see it for themselves. At least that's what I think is the underlying issue. And that goes for all races.

     

     

    And you don't find it at all ironic that you are calling entire races of people racists?

     



    I think I pretty much said everyone is, in their own way. We all have our prejudices, It's human nature. We are all racist, in some ways. I'm not gonna get into the long explanations in this thread as to why I believe this is what is happening here though since it would turn this thread off topic.

     



     

    I believe what you mean is racial preference rather than racist.There was some study done years back that it applies to all races,this may be biological though.

  • MardyMardy Member Posts: 2,213
    Originally posted by Scubie67


     
    I believe what you mean is racial preference rather than racist.There was some study done years back that it applies to all races,this may be biological though.

     

    Pretty much, some things you can't change.  People of their own color/culture tend to want to live & associate with their own.  Force blending them in often can lead to some pretty bad side effects.  I don't know why one color of a race has to call the other racist, because pretty much everybody is one way or the other.   There's no one race in this world that has not committed genocide and mass murder of another.

     

    It's all about tolerance and finding a way to co-exist.  We got a lil planet we can live on, that's it.  It's fine to disagree with other's philosophy, preferences, etc.. it makes us human.  But I do often find the ones crying racism are some of the most racist people around.

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  • MunkiMunki Member CommonPosts: 2,128

    Because Americans are hillarious.

    They refuse to listen to other peoples ideas; yet get angry when somebody doesn't listen to them.

    They think that somehow their little world is crashing down - Every single time anything happens.

    Geeze look; every time your dad freaked out it was the end of the free world; every time your grandpa freaked out...

    They were wrong.

    Every single time you're wrong; yet you continue to predict gloom and doom.

    What good did getting all angry about 9/11 do you personally?

    I'm willing to bet the only thing it did was piss of other more level headed people and contributed NOTHING positive to your life.

    As far as I'm concerned its because they all over value themselves and their dogwood. While people who have devoted their lives to studying international relations and politics, Joe biker and Phillip farmer seem to think their "life exprience" is a substitute for actual knowledge... Better yet the louder they say it and more they hold down their shift key, the more correct they will sound.

    edit: there their they're

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    after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...

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