I'd have to add one more bit advice to those who take the trading path. Make sure the items you decide to trade in are in hot demand. Some modules are considered indespensible in certain standard fittings, and they sell quickly. Others are such poor choices no one ever buys them, no matter how cheap you sell them.
Right, only trade items with high daily trade volume.
When viewing the market details of an item, click the "Price History" tab and, at the bottom of this screen, toggle over to Chart View. It will show you daily trade volume and average price of that item. Some items look really lucrative (big buy/sell disparity) but then you find out there's zero volume being traded.
As a newbie, I recommend checking out Ammo (small and medium sizes), the most popular racial frigate (especially good in trade hubs that usually sit next to low/null sec), and the most common guns/modules to fit to the most used ship frigate of your race. For example, Minmitar newbies might look into 150mm and 200mm sized Autocannons that are commonly fitted to the Rifter.
Also, don't undercut people by .01 cent. There are lifeless fucks out there that camp the market and will just escalate it by another .01 cent as soon as you throw up your order. I always agressively undercut in small volume. Most traders won't battle with you if you're aggressive (they'll just take a break from that item) and most will just assume your low volume will quickly trade out and the market will return to their order.
For example, if they are buying 100,000 ITEM X for $100 each, throw up a order for $200 with a quantity of 1,000. It makes sense for them to assume that your order will quickly get satisfied and return to their $100 priceline.
Originally posted by Krieg Interestingly enough, there aren't that many paths to make money off the bat that would make a newbie stick around for more than a few hours.
Nah, I made about 100M in four days on my fresh toon last time. There's plenty of ways how to make good ISK in empire.
As you pointed out, new players should have absolutely no issue with ISK. You are new, fly cheap fitted frigate and you will be fine.
The most important is to understand that ships are no levels. As soon as you acknowledge that, you are fine and can fully enjoy the game.
Note: Training up learning skills to 3 is very handy. It takes less than a day and pays off greatly within trial period.
Interestingly enough, there aren't that many paths to make money off the bat that would make a newbie stick around for more than a few hours.
Nah, I made about 100M in four days on my fresh toon last time. There's plenty of ways how to make good ISK in empire.
As you pointed out, new players should have absolutely no issue with ISK. You are new, fly cheap fitted frigate and you will be fine.
The most important is to understand that ships are no levels. As soon as you acknowledge that, you are fine and can fully enjoy the game.
Note: Training up learning skills to 3 is very handy. It takes less than a day and pays off greatly within trial period.
I don't think we're talking about the same demographic of people here.
I'm talking about people new to the game trying to figure out if they want to subscribe. They don't know their options, and the front that EVE shows new players is inherently as boring as the mutt's nuts. I started in 2005 with a free trial and it was earth shatteringly boring. I didn't realize what EVE was all about until I came across it in forums and intermittent discussion around the interweb. It's a damn shame. I wouldn't be surprised if that was how all subscribers came to be. The 14 day trial just is intrinsic suckage until you happen to catch wind that there's more to EVE than what EVE shows you in missions where you mine ore and make 12 jumps to deliver a 2.0m^3 carton of Militants.
Eve is one of those games that becomes freaking awesome the longer you play it. Sure it could be boring starting as a solo miner or level one mission runner but once you build up a lilttle isk the game blossoms. You join a corp get heavily into all sorts of industry or pve like exploration, null sec ratting or even L4 missions and pvp.... holy shit!!!! pvp in eve is simply amazing. It's hard to put into words tbh. The one problem with eve is that jump you need to make from boring solo stuff at the beggining of the game to the Corp stuff later on where you really get into the meat and potatoes of the game has alot of players losing interest. That's why Eve has 300k subs and not a million plus.
That's true. It took a leap of faith from to finally make it over that newbie hurdle. I think it was my 3rd trial that I committed myself. I mean, after hearing from so many people how awesome the game was for so long I decided to knuckle down and do eet.
Lets just say I'm glad I did. I even opened a second account, Im still a newbie but at least im in L4 and fleeting L5, mining operations, market discussions, baby pvp. fun fun FUN
Eve is one of those games that becomes freaking awesome the longer you play it. Sure it could be boring starting as a solo miner or level one mission runner but once you build up a lilttle isk the game blossoms. You join a corp get heavily into all sorts of industry or pve like exploration, null sec ratting or even L4 missions and pvp.... holy shit!!!! pvp in eve is simply amazing. It's hard to put into words tbh. The one problem with eve is that jump you need to make from boring solo stuff at the beggining of the game to the Corp stuff later on where you really get into the meat and potatoes of the game has alot of players losing interest. That's why Eve has 300k subs and not a million plus.
That's true. It took a leap of faith from to finally make it over that newbie hurdle. I think it was my 3rd trial that I committed myself. I mean, after hearing from so many people how awesome the game was for so long I decided to knuckle down and do eet.
Lets just say I'm glad I did. I even opened a second account, Im still a newbie but at least im in L4 and fleeting L5, mining operations, market discussions, baby pvp. fun fun FUN
I think that's how most subscribers start actually. You're underwhelmed (and overwhelmed) by your initial free trial and only hear about what EVE really has to offer on forums and random EVE discussions that pop up around the internet.
I started in 2005, never subscribed, and got into it much later after hearing about it outside of the game and learning about what high end PVP really had to offer. It's a damn shame that the free trial is so anti-compelling.
Originally posted by Krieg I don't think we're talking about the same demographic of people here.
I'm talking about people new to the game trying to figure out if they want to subscribe. They don't know their options, and the front that EVE shows new players is inherently as boring as the mutt's nuts. I started in 2005 with a free trial and it was earth shatteringly boring. I didn't realize what EVE was all about until I came across it in forums and intermittent discussion around the interweb. It's a damn shame. I wouldn't be surprised if that was how all subscribers came to be. The 14 day trial just is intrinsic suckage until you happen to catch wind that there's more to EVE than what EVE shows you in missions where you mine ore and make 12 jumps to deliver a 2.0m^3 carton of Militants.
You're talking about people that will subscribe.
Yup, agreed. It is something new player won't achieve most likely and it wasn't meant otherwise.
All I wanted to say is that new characters are not worthless even on ISK level. They can make good ISK with low SP and there is plenty of things to do besides mining and running missions. There is no guidance, no goal, no endgame - achievement and limitation is put at your very own.
EVE is the only game I know with no or very little grind - unless you really want to grind of course... It can be repetitive as anything else but it will be most likely your own choice. Never stop to research and learn. The game is so rich that you will always discover new and fascinating aspects of the game that can keep you busy forever because EVE is constantly evolving.
Note: For me it was also fresh and surprising experience since I never spent much time in high sec. In fact it made me move to empire.
Got a free 21 day trial of this game with my new video card so figured why not check it out. Any pointers for a newbie? What server would be best?
You've made a wise choice. EvE is the best mmo on the market right now! I would suggest training all your learning skills first, like Vendayn mentioned, it'll save you a ton of time.
Bad advice for someone just starting out and trying the game for the first time. Best to download EVEMon and EFT. Build a very basic ship with EFT figure out what skills it needs, plug those into EVEMon and get flying ASAP. If all you do is train learning skills you will have just finished learning skills when the trial expires and not had a chance to experience anything in the game yet.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
Got a free 21 day trial of this game with my new video card so figured why not check it out. Any pointers for a newbie? What server would be best?
You've made a wise choice. EvE is the best mmo on the market right now! I would suggest training all your learning skills first, like Vendayn mentioned, it'll save you a ton of time.
Bad advice for someone just starting out and trying the game for the first time. Best to download EVEMon and EFT. Build a very basic ship with EFT figure out what skills it needs, plug those into EVEMon and get flying ASAP. If all you do is train learning skills you will have just finished learning skills when the trial expires and not had a chance to experience anything in the game yet.
yeah dont train ALL the training skills right away.
If you really want a increase in attributes train the very basic Learning skill to 3 and the other basic attributes that are good for what your doing to rank 2 or 3 thats like less than a day of training.
Training all to 5 will take more time than you have on your trial.
2. Press F12 and then select Career Agents. There are three agents, each one showing you a different aspect of the game. Even if they send you to do boring shit, you're learning the basics which is what you need to be doing. You get substantial credits, skills, and experience from these three missions. Do them.
3. While you're doing these three tutorial mission strings, use the default Corporation channel to ask questions. There are always hundreds of others that will answer your questions. Try to make some friends. See if anyone is recruiting for an active corporation.
4. Now do the Epic Arc mission. Each of the Career Agents will suggest that you talk to so-and-so in a solar system far away to begin the Epic Arc. Two of the Career Agent missions you just did gave you a spaceship called an Industrial used for hauling shit around. You'll have to buy the cheap Industrial (not Industry) skill and train it to level 1 (takes like 12 minutes), but then you'll load all your shit (even your frigate) into the Industrial ship and fly to the new solar system to setup shop there. You won't be coming back.
5. The Epic Arc missions are the fastest money you can make as a newbie. You'll be making between 100,000 and 300,000 credits per mission that usually just involves warping through 1 to 3 jumpgates and killing something. These get pretty old, but they show you the types of missions that EVE offers and why running missions is only for people that like to do dull shit like calculate the circumference of their shits after they shit. While you're running this set of 50+ missions, keep talking in newbie Corp chat and look for a new Corporation to join.
6. Remember, joining a corporation is the first step to doing anything substantially fun and organized in EVE. This isn't WoW where you just grind mobs and arbitrarily level all day and can avoid human contact for your career. Well, you can, but that's boring and you'll be missing out on what EVE has to really offer.
7. Get a taste of the different professions in case you want to engage in any of them. You SHOULD be inspired to PVP though. If you don't like ruthless PVP, EVE isn't your game. I don't understand people that just mine all day. The only reason I would ever mine short term is to fund a new ship/skill/module purchase for PVP.
8. I recommend joining a pirate/gang-PVP group. You'll get a taste of PVP -- the rewarding and exciting centerpiece of EVE -- and chances are you will have other new players in the Corporation. You only need to train a few skills to be able to scramble enemy warp drives (so they can't warp away), disrupt their drives (so they get slowed down), shoot turrets and equip a afterburner (for a speed boost). Don't listen to carebears. New players are effective out of the box. The only reason they are less effective is because they're just simply new to the game and need knowledge.
The only grey area is finding a good corporation that will get you started with some real fun. Otherwise, you can finish the missions listed in this post within one or two days giving you 12 more days of trial.
I think that if every player could experience an organized, friendly, successful gang of smalltime PVPers, almost everyone would be sucked in unless ruthless PVP just doesn't appeal to them. However, too many people get the impression that EVE is about setting warp destinations and waiting for your ship to get there so you can get paid 80,000 credits to deliver an envelope.
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Right, only trade items with high daily trade volume.
When viewing the market details of an item, click the "Price History" tab and, at the bottom of this screen, toggle over to Chart View. It will show you daily trade volume and average price of that item. Some items look really lucrative (big buy/sell disparity) but then you find out there's zero volume being traded.
As a newbie, I recommend checking out Ammo (small and medium sizes), the most popular racial frigate (especially good in trade hubs that usually sit next to low/null sec), and the most common guns/modules to fit to the most used ship frigate of your race. For example, Minmitar newbies might look into 150mm and 200mm sized Autocannons that are commonly fitted to the Rifter.
Also, don't undercut people by .01 cent. There are lifeless fucks out there that camp the market and will just escalate it by another .01 cent as soon as you throw up your order. I always agressively undercut in small volume. Most traders won't battle with you if you're aggressive (they'll just take a break from that item) and most will just assume your low volume will quickly trade out and the market will return to their order.
For example, if they are buying 100,000 ITEM X for $100 each, throw up a order for $200 with a quantity of 1,000. It makes sense for them to assume that your order will quickly get satisfied and return to their $100 priceline.
Nah, I made about 100M in four days on my fresh toon last time. There's plenty of ways how to make good ISK in empire.
As you pointed out, new players should have absolutely no issue with ISK. You are new, fly cheap fitted frigate and you will be fine.
The most important is to understand that ships are no levels. As soon as you acknowledge that, you are fine and can fully enjoy the game.
Note: Training up learning skills to 3 is very handy. It takes less than a day and pays off greatly within trial period.
Nah, I made about 100M in four days on my fresh toon last time. There's plenty of ways how to make good ISK in empire.
As you pointed out, new players should have absolutely no issue with ISK. You are new, fly cheap fitted frigate and you will be fine.
The most important is to understand that ships are no levels. As soon as you acknowledge that, you are fine and can fully enjoy the game.
Note: Training up learning skills to 3 is very handy. It takes less than a day and pays off greatly within trial period.
I don't think we're talking about the same demographic of people here.
I'm talking about people new to the game trying to figure out if they want to subscribe. They don't know their options, and the front that EVE shows new players is inherently as boring as the mutt's nuts. I started in 2005 with a free trial and it was earth shatteringly boring. I didn't realize what EVE was all about until I came across it in forums and intermittent discussion around the interweb. It's a damn shame. I wouldn't be surprised if that was how all subscribers came to be. The 14 day trial just is intrinsic suckage until you happen to catch wind that there's more to EVE than what EVE shows you in missions where you mine ore and make 12 jumps to deliver a 2.0m^3 carton of Militants.
You're talking about people that will subscribe.
That's true. It took a leap of faith from to finally make it over that newbie hurdle. I think it was my 3rd trial that I committed myself. I mean, after hearing from so many people how awesome the game was for so long I decided to knuckle down and do eet.
Lets just say I'm glad I did. I even opened a second account, Im still a newbie but at least im in L4 and fleeting L5, mining operations, market discussions, baby pvp. fun fun FUN
That's true. It took a leap of faith from to finally make it over that newbie hurdle. I think it was my 3rd trial that I committed myself. I mean, after hearing from so many people how awesome the game was for so long I decided to knuckle down and do eet.
Lets just say I'm glad I did. I even opened a second account, Im still a newbie but at least im in L4 and fleeting L5, mining operations, market discussions, baby pvp. fun fun FUN
I think that's how most subscribers start actually. You're underwhelmed (and overwhelmed) by your initial free trial and only hear about what EVE really has to offer on forums and random EVE discussions that pop up around the internet.
I started in 2005, never subscribed, and got into it much later after hearing about it outside of the game and learning about what high end PVP really had to offer. It's a damn shame that the free trial is so anti-compelling.
Yup, agreed. It is something new player won't achieve most likely and it wasn't meant otherwise.
All I wanted to say is that new characters are not worthless even on ISK level. They can make good ISK with low SP and there is plenty of things to do besides mining and running missions.
There is no guidance, no goal, no endgame - achievement and limitation is put at your very own.
EVE is the only game I know with no or very little grind - unless you really want to grind of course... It can be repetitive as anything else but it will be most likely your own choice. Never stop to research and learn. The game is so rich that you will always discover new and fascinating aspects of the game that can keep you busy forever because EVE is constantly evolving.
Note: For me it was also fresh and surprising experience since I never spent much time in high sec. In fact it made me move to empire.
You've made a wise choice. EvE is the best mmo on the market right now! I would suggest training all your learning skills first, like Vendayn mentioned, it'll save you a ton of time.
Bad advice for someone just starting out and trying the game for the first time. Best to download EVEMon and EFT. Build a very basic ship with EFT figure out what skills it needs, plug those into EVEMon and get flying ASAP. If all you do is train learning skills you will have just finished learning skills when the trial expires and not had a chance to experience anything in the game yet.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
You've made a wise choice. EvE is the best mmo on the market right now! I would suggest training all your learning skills first, like Vendayn mentioned, it'll save you a ton of time.
Bad advice for someone just starting out and trying the game for the first time. Best to download EVEMon and EFT. Build a very basic ship with EFT figure out what skills it needs, plug those into EVEMon and get flying ASAP. If all you do is train learning skills you will have just finished learning skills when the trial expires and not had a chance to experience anything in the game yet.
yeah dont train ALL the training skills right away.
If you really want a increase in attributes train the very basic Learning skill to 3 and the other basic attributes that are good for what your doing to rank 2 or 3 thats like less than a day of training.
Training all to 5 will take more time than you have on your trial.
Playing: EvE, Ryzom
Best way to realistically spend your trial is:
1. Do the initial newbie tutorial.
2. Press F12 and then select Career Agents. There are three agents, each one showing you a different aspect of the game. Even if they send you to do boring shit, you're learning the basics which is what you need to be doing. You get substantial credits, skills, and experience from these three missions. Do them.
3. While you're doing these three tutorial mission strings, use the default Corporation channel to ask questions. There are always hundreds of others that will answer your questions. Try to make some friends. See if anyone is recruiting for an active corporation.
4. Now do the Epic Arc mission. Each of the Career Agents will suggest that you talk to so-and-so in a solar system far away to begin the Epic Arc. Two of the Career Agent missions you just did gave you a spaceship called an Industrial used for hauling shit around. You'll have to buy the cheap Industrial (not Industry) skill and train it to level 1 (takes like 12 minutes), but then you'll load all your shit (even your frigate) into the Industrial ship and fly to the new solar system to setup shop there. You won't be coming back.
5. The Epic Arc missions are the fastest money you can make as a newbie. You'll be making between 100,000 and 300,000 credits per mission that usually just involves warping through 1 to 3 jumpgates and killing something. These get pretty old, but they show you the types of missions that EVE offers and why running missions is only for people that like to do dull shit like calculate the circumference of their shits after they shit. While you're running this set of 50+ missions, keep talking in newbie Corp chat and look for a new Corporation to join.
6. Remember, joining a corporation is the first step to doing anything substantially fun and organized in EVE. This isn't WoW where you just grind mobs and arbitrarily level all day and can avoid human contact for your career. Well, you can, but that's boring and you'll be missing out on what EVE has to really offer.
7. Get a taste of the different professions in case you want to engage in any of them. You SHOULD be inspired to PVP though. If you don't like ruthless PVP, EVE isn't your game. I don't understand people that just mine all day. The only reason I would ever mine short term is to fund a new ship/skill/module purchase for PVP.
8. I recommend joining a pirate/gang-PVP group. You'll get a taste of PVP -- the rewarding and exciting centerpiece of EVE -- and chances are you will have other new players in the Corporation. You only need to train a few skills to be able to scramble enemy warp drives (so they can't warp away), disrupt their drives (so they get slowed down), shoot turrets and equip a afterburner (for a speed boost). Don't listen to carebears. New players are effective out of the box. The only reason they are less effective is because they're just simply new to the game and need knowledge.
The only grey area is finding a good corporation that will get you started with some real fun. Otherwise, you can finish the missions listed in this post within one or two days giving you 12 more days of trial.
I think that if every player could experience an organized, friendly, successful gang of smalltime PVPers, almost everyone would be sucked in unless ruthless PVP just doesn't appeal to them. However, too many people get the impression that EVE is about setting warp destinations and waiting for your ship to get there so you can get paid 80,000 credits to deliver an envelope.