And they wonder why people mock them....birth certificate theory still alive.

John.A.Zoid · July 2009

Whocares if the President isn't American? Our relatives all migrated to our current countries at one point or another. We're all part of Planet Earth and we're all Human so why can't nations get over it and get on? Besides Bush was American and he didn't do a good job, I'm pretty sure someone of another nationality coulda done better.

Gazenthia · July 2009

Originally posted by Faxxer
Showing the nature of liberal democrats is most certainly right on topic here. And why this story is still having traction with people.

The discussion of liberal democrats doesn't belong here. In fact, this entire Birther thing has nothing at all to do with epolitics. It only appears so, as the people who are demented claim that it does. It is actually the latest common denominator of lunatics, nothing more. People like you are trying to use this latest tinfoil hat conspiracy, but you and they don't understand that the rest of society are actually completely reprelled by the mere association with this BS. It's absolutely, completely, bat crap INSANE.

Zindaihas · July 2009

Look, there's a simple way to explain this and make everyone happy. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you study Hawaii's history, you learn that it was unlawfully annexed by an imperialistic United States in the late 19th century. Before that, it was an independent nation with foreign embassies and everything. So, if we view Hawaii as it should exist today before the US agressively intervened in Hawaii's self-determination, then technically, Obama was born on foreign soil and he is ineligible to serve as President of the United States.

Obama supporters can still continue to claim he is a legitimate president and Obama detractors can still continue to claim he is a pretender to the throne. Everybody wins.

drolkrad666 · July 2009

Obama was born in Kenya ... his wondeful black east african grandmother said so herself.

I LOVE how this whole topic makes Democrates crazy. Republicans had to listen to their BS michael moore conpiracy crap for years. Finally they get a little dose of their own medicine.

Slythe · July 2009

Originally posted by Faxxer
Showing the nature of liberal democrats is most certainly right on topic here. And why this story is still having traction with people.

Every single one of your posts is "Liberal this, Liberal that." Libs Libs Libs Libs. Faxxer you really hate Liberals, don't you? Just don't grab a gun one day and go on a Liberal killing spree. And if you do, try to be Conservative with your ammunition.

Vemoi · July 2009

Hey, go back and look up the threads on "Bush lied" Every leftest on this forum had a whole slew of conspiracy theories. Bush and Cheney went to war to enrich Haliburton, Bush knew the attack was coming, Bush lied to get us into the war. and on and on and on.

If Obama's people aren't in on this birther thing, then they are doing all they can to keep it going. That way they can take the heat off all the other totally destructive bills being rammed through.

Look who the OP who started this thead.

Never trust a liberal.

Vemoi · July 2009

Originally posted by LeKinK

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I wish I was born in Hawaii, must be cool going to the beach everyday instead of the harsh cold we get in Canada...

If you like beaches than you would like it. I stayed a month. Fun to visit but would not want to live there. Traffic jams all the time. Beaches full of old tourist, HIGH prices on everything. And I got burned like a lobster because I didn't really feel the sun with the constant breeze.

Zindaihas · July 2009

Originally posted by Vemoi

Hey, go back and look up the threads on "Bush lied" Every leftest on this forum had a whole slew of conspiracy theories. Bush and Cheney went to war to enrich Haliburton, Bush knew the attack was coming, Bush lied to get us into the war. and on and on and on.
If Obama's people aren't in on this birther thing, then they are doing all they can to keep it going. That way they can take the heat off all the other totally destructive bills being rammed through.
Look who the OP who started this thead.
Never trust a liberal.

Yeah, but Vemoi, you have to understand, Bush masterminded the entire 9/11 attacks so he could use it as a pretext to go to war in Iraq so that, in turn, he could line the pockets of his Haliburton buddies. I mean it all makes perfect sense. This birth certificate thing, that's way out there in left field (or is it right field?). Besides, this conspiracy theory is so much more damaging to Obama's reputation than accusing Bush of causing hundreds of thousands of deaths just for a little money. So much more damaging.

popinjay · July 2009

Originally posted by Vemoi
Hey, go back and look up the threads on "Bush lied" Every leftest on this forum had a whole slew of conspiracy theories. Bush and Cheney went to war to enrich Haliburton, Bush knew the attack was coming, Bush lied to get us into the war. and on and on and on.

He did lie while in office. Lots of times.

CBS NEWS- NEW YORK, Sept. 28, 2004
Bush's Top Ten Flip-Flops

Top Ten:
1. Weapons of Mass Destruction
Announcing the invasion of Iraq on March 19, 2003, Mr. Bush said, Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
Two months into the war, on May 29, 2003, Mr. Bush said weapons of mass destruction had been found.
We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories, Mr. Bush told Polish television. For those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them."
On Sept. 9, 2004, in Pennsylvania, Mr. Bush said: I recognize we didn't find the stockpiles [of weapons] we all thought were there.

2. Nation Building and the War in Iraq
During the 2000 campaign, George W. Bush argued against nation building and foreign military entanglements. In the second presidential debate, he said: "I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say, 'This is the way it's got to be.'"
The United States is currently involved in nation building in Iraq on a scale unseen since the years immediately following World War II.
During the 2000 election, Mr. Bush called for U.S. troops to be withdrawn from the NATO peacekeeping mission in the Balkans. His administration now cites such missions as an example of how America must "stay the course."

3. Iraq and the Sept. 11 Attacks
In a press conference in September 2002, six months before the invasion of Iraq, President Bush said, you can't distinguish between al Qaeda and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror... they're both equally as bad, and equally as evil, and equally as destructive.
In September of 2004, Mr. Bush said: We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with September 11th." Though he added that there's no question that Saddam Hussein had al Qaeda ties, the statement seemingly belied earlier assertions that Saddam and al Qaeda were equally bad.
The Sept. 11 commission found there was no evidence Saddam was linked to the 9/11 attacks, which killed nearly 3,000 people.

4. The Sept. 11 Commission
President Bush initially opposed the creation of an independent commission to investigate the Sept. 11 attacks. In May 2002, he said, Since it deals with such sensitive information, in my judgment, it's best for the ongoing war against terror that the investigation be done in the intelligence committee.
Bowing to pressure from victims' families, Mr. Bush reversed his position. The following September, he backed an independent investigation.
5. Free Trade
During the 2000 presidential election, Mr. Bush championed free trade. Then, eyeing campaign concerns that allowed him to win West Virginia, he imposed 30 percent tariffs on foreign steel products from Europe and other nations in March 2002.
Twenty-one months later, Mr. Bush changed his mind and rescinded the steel tariffs. Choosing to stand on social issues instead of tariffs in steel country Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia the Bush campaign decided it could afford to upset the steel industry rather than further estrange old alliances.
6. Homeland Security Department
President Bush initially opposed creating a new Department of Homeland Security. He wanted Tom Ridge, now the secretary of Homeland Security, to remain an adviser.
Mr. Bush reversed himself and backed the largest expansion of the federal government since the creation of the Defense Department in 1949.
7. Same-Sex Marriage
During the 2000 campaign, Mr. Bush said he was against federal intervention regarding the issue of same-sex marriage. In an interview with CNN's Larry King, he said, states "can do what they want to do" on the issue. Vice President Cheney took the same stance.
Four year later, this past February, Mr. Bush announced his support for an amendment to the Constitution that defines marriage as being exclusively between men and women. The amendment would forbid states from doing "what they want to do" on same-sex marriage.
Citing recent decisions by activist judges in states like Massachusetts, Mr. Bush defended his reversal. Critics point out that well before the 2000 presidential race, a judge in Hawaii ruled in December 1996 that there was no compelling reason for withholding marriage from same-sex couples.
8. Winning the War on Terror
"I don't think you can win it," Mr. Bush said of the war on terror in August. In an interview on NBC's "Today" show, he said, I think you can create conditions so that . . . those who use terror as a tool are less acceptable in parts of the world."
Before the month closed, Mr. Bush reversed himself at the American Legion national convention in Nashville. He said: "We meet today in a time of war for our country, a war we did not start yet one that we will win." He later added, we are winning, and we will win."
9. Campaign Finance Reform
President Bush was initially against the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill. He opposed any soft-money limits on individuals to national parties.
But Mr. Bush later signed McCain-Feingold into law. The law, named for Senate sponsors John McCain, R-Ariz., and Russell Feingold, D-Wis., barred both national parties from collecting soft money from individuals.
During the 2000 race, Mr. Bush showed support for the so-called 527 groups right to air advertising.
In March 2000, he told CBS News' "Face the Nation," "There have been ads, independent expenditures, that are saying bad things about me. I don't particularly care when they do, but that's what freedom of speech is all about.
In late August of this year, in an effort to distance himself from controversial anti-Kerry ads by the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Mr. Bush reversed his position, announcing he would join McCain in legal action to stop these "shadowy" organizations.
Though it would close the Swift Boat group's funding, court action would also silence well-funded liberal 527 organizations like MoveOn.org and America Coming Together.
10. Gas Prices
Mr. Bush was critical of Al Gore in the 2000 campaign for being part of the administration that's been in charge while the price of gasoline has gone steadily upward. In December 1999, in the first Republican primary debate, Mr. Bush said President Clinton must jawbone OPEC members to lower prices.
As gas topped a record level of $50 a barrel this week, Mr. Bush has shown no propensity to personally pressure, or jawbone, Mideast oil producers to increase output.
A spokesman for the president reportedly said in March that Mr. Bush will not personally lobby oil cartel leaders to change their minds.

And that was just in his first four years, lol.

Vemoi · July 2009

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Originally posted by Vemoi

Hey, go back and look up the threads on "Bush lied" Every leftest on this forum had a whole slew of conspiracy theories. Bush and Cheney went to war to enrich Haliburton, Bush knew the attack was coming, Bush lied to get us into the war. and on and on and on.
If Obama's people aren't in on this birther thing, then they are doing all they can to keep it going. That way they can take the heat off all the other totally destructive bills being rammed through.
Look who the OP who started this thead.
Never trust a liberal.

Yeah, but Vemoi, you have to understand, Bush masterminded the entire 9/11 attacks so he could use it as a pretext to go to war in Iraq so that, in turn, he could line the pockets of his Haliburton buddies. I mean it all makes perfect sense. This birth certificate thing, that's way out there in left field (or is it right field?). Besides, this conspiracy theory is so much more damaging to Obama's reputation than accusing Bush of causing hundreds of thousands of deaths just for a little money. So much more damaging.

haha....my question is, why won't he release his college records? What could possibly be in them? I know all the lefties on these forums are always so interested in what our leader's education is.

popinjay · July 2009

In case it hasn't been said already in this thread. Some of the things people are requesting Obama release are getting VERY weird.

Zindaihas · July 2009

Originally posted by Vemoi

haha....my question is, why won't he release his college records? What could possibly be in them? I know all the lefties on these forums are always so interested in what our leader's education is.

Oh, we know so little about Obama because his rise to the presidency was so quick, that I'm sure he has quite a few skeletons in his closet that he's keeping quiet about. I mean just look at all the shady associations he has in his past. I'm sure his people have done everything possible to keep them from seeing the light of day because the American people would be shocked to learn about them. Personally, I don't really care so much about them so long as Americans come to understand how drastically he wants to transform the American way of life. But if the the skeletons are there and they do come out, I have no problem with that.

Trizic · July 2009

Originally posted by popinjay

In case it hasn't been said already in this thread. Some of the things people are requesting Obama release are getting VERY weird.

I heard rumours about a sex tape...

Vemoi · July 2009

Originally posted by Trizic

Originally posted by popinjay

In case it hasn't been said already in this thread. Some of the things people are requesting Obama release are getting VERY weird.

I heard rumours about a sex tape...

I see NOTHING!

Trizic · July 2009

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Look, there's a simple way to explain this and make everyone happy. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you study Hawaii's history, you learn that it was unlawfully annexed by an imperialistic United States in the late 19th century. Before that, it was an independent nation with foreign embassies and everything. So, if we view Hawaii as it should exist today before the US agressively intervened in Hawaii's self-determination, then technically, Obama was born on foreign soil and he is ineligible to serve as President of the United States.
Obama supporters can still continue to claim he is a legitimate president and Obama detractors can still continue to claim he is a pretender to the throne. Everybody wins.

By this definition only people from the original colonies can run for president...

Precusor · July 2009

Rasmussen would probably get the same results if they asked the libs if 9/11 was an inside job.

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.

www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

I really find it hilarious how they bitch about some fringe group claiming Obama isn't a u.s citizen.

keltic1701 · July 2009

Originally posted by Precusor

Rasmussen would probably get the same results if they asked the libs if 9/11 was an inside job.

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.
www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/bush_administration/22_believe_bush_knew_about_9_11_attacks_in_advance

I really find it hilarious how they bitch about a fringe conservative group claiming Obama isn't a u.s citizen.

That's more like the truth.

Precusor · July 2009

Originally posted by keltic1701

That's more like the truth.

They are nothing compared to the leftists moonbats and their ridiculous conspiracy theories.

keltic1701 · July 2009

Originally posted by Precusor

Originally posted by keltic1701

That's more like the truth.

They are nothing compared to the leftists moonbats and their ridiculous conspiracy theories.

I dunno. They look pretty batty to me and to alot of people. Evidence has been given to disprove THEIR ridiculous conspriacy theory and they STILL think the government is involved in some sort of X Files-like coverup. These folks give a whole new meaning to your term "moonbat". And you have the balls to call anyone else crazy? HAH!

DailyBuzz · July 2009

Originally posted by Precusor

I really find it hilarious how they bitch about some fringe group claiming Obama isn't a u.s citizen.

Yea, I guess you can call republican congress a fringe group.

I think you conservatives are a bit behind the curve. Your representatives are mentally dwarfed by conspiracy theorists. I'm not surprised you don't understand that. After all, you elected them.

popinjay · July 2009

Originally posted by Faxxer

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Birthers sure put up some strange requests.

Faxxer · July 2009

Originally posted by popinjay

Originally posted by Faxxer

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Birthers sure put up some strange requests.

It would be ok if someone that works for the state hadn't said the "birth" document given was a fake wouldn't it.

Showing picture after picture of that document is about as legitimate as when we saw the nat'l guard documents that said Bush was AWOL huh?

I actually used to live in Chicago back in the early 90's, and in the "inner city" one of the biggest community activist groups were the RCYB...I wonder if Obama was a member of that group too. (of course we'll never know since there isn't ONE DAMN shred of paper of his past from back then ANYWHERE...is there?)

Zindaihas · July 2009

Originally posted by Trizic

Originally posted by Zindaihas

Look, there's a simple way to explain this and make everyone happy. Yes, Obama was born in Hawaii. But if you study Hawaii's history, you learn that it was unlawfully annexed by an imperialistic United States in the late 19th century. Before that, it was an independent nation with foreign embassies and everything. So, if we view Hawaii as it should exist today before the US agressively intervened in Hawaii's self-determination, then technically, Obama was born on foreign soil and he is ineligible to serve as President of the United States.
Obama supporters can still continue to claim he is a legitimate president and Obama detractors can still continue to claim he is a pretender to the throne. Everybody wins.

By this definition only people from the original colonies can run for president...

Actually, none of the land the United States acquired outside of Hawaii was ever considered a sovereign indepedent nation. Of course, that doesn't mean that it wasn't already occupied by others.

But I wasn't making a judgement on the US, I was merely trying to build a bridge between the two groups. Unfortunately I had to do it at the expense of American history.

popinjay · July 2009

Originally posted by Faxxer
It would be ok if someone that works for the state hadn't said the "birth" document given was a fake wouldn't it.

Seriously, this is the silliest issue that anyone in the United States could have brought up now. Furthermore, its even sillier when legitimate proof by the appropriate agency says its legitimate.

One ex-worker says this document "isn't real" while everyone else says it is there? Let me ask you something; what do you know about this ex-worker? Is he insane, disgruntled, doesn't like Obama, worked there before changes were put in regarding forms, and attention seeking looking for fame or simply flat out wrong?

The fact that apparently your whole Birther argument seems to hinge on a worker you have no information about is extremely shaky.

I used to think you were just kidding in this thread.. you know, with you being anti-progressive/ anti-Obama and all. But you really believe this bizarre stuff, don't you?

windstrike1 · July 2009

Kenya has erected a monument celebrating the birth of Obama, in Kenya.

Obamas birth certificate has not been released and for some reason the documents have been sealed so that nobody can see them.

Obamas real name is Barry Soetoro.

Just a few fun facts.

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