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  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by dp88

    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by solareus

    Originally posted by angus858


    The leets and kiddies  you find so annoying also pay monthly fees which Funcom does not want to lose.  If you are a socially healthy adult who wants to enjoy adventure in the world of Hyboria just do the following:
    1) Roll on a PvE server
    2) Immediately join a guild which seeks adult-only membership
    3) Turn off Global chat
    Problem solved.

    Why should I have to ? if I would be a potential paying customer ? Why is it so hard for  Funcom to police the chat up a little to make the game world feel adult oriented.

    Now, may I ask, what steps have you taken to rectify this? Why should Funcom police a chat for a server that does not fit YOUR needs.

    The poster you responded to has some very good suggestions. Why not just do that?

    Look at it this way. It is kind of like hitting yourself with a stick. You know it hurts, and eventually you will stop, but if you just want to complain about hitting yourself with the stick and not want to stop the hitting?...Well, you can see why we question your judgement.

    Good luck making the right choices down the road in life.

    (PS: I do note you compare the game to LOTRO and their community. But, LOTRO is full of happy hobbits and gay elves (note gay used in the proper 1920's sense) in a bright and cheerful world. Hyboria is a cruel barbaric low fantasy. If you cant handle the brawn, then you may wish to return to Happy Land.)

     

    Didn't you hear that you aren't allowed to criticize anything ever. Its childish. At least it is if openedge or people like him are watching and around to criticize you for it.

    Why are you calling him childish? I never did. And really, these are valid points.

    As I said, if something bothers me, I stop doing it. I just wonder why this person does not want to do the same.

    And as well, I never said he could not complain. That is not my job. I do not work here. Plus, if he has a right to complain, do I not have a right to counter his complaint? 

    BTW, welcome to MMORPG.com if you think I am unqiue in this aspect. Believe me, I am not alone.

  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188

    The chat on "Some" servers can be pretty bad at times. The context of those global discussions seem to be worst on PvP servers. On some the chat is more than acceptable.

    We need an LFG channel and some better moderation.

    10 people from a few thousand on a server can be detrimental to a 100 new people. The small minority shouldn't ruin it for the rest.



  • dp88dp88 Member Posts: 26
    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by dp88

    Originally posted by openedge1

    Originally posted by solareus

    Originally posted by angus858


    The leets and kiddies  you find so annoying also pay monthly fees which Funcom does not want to lose.  If you are a socially healthy adult who wants to enjoy adventure in the world of Hyboria just do the following:
    1) Roll on a PvE server
    2) Immediately join a guild which seeks adult-only membership
    3) Turn off Global chat
    Problem solved.

    Why should I have to ? if I would be a potential paying customer ? Why is it so hard for  Funcom to police the chat up a little to make the game world feel adult oriented.

    Now, may I ask, what steps have you taken to rectify this? Why should Funcom police a chat for a server that does not fit YOUR needs.

    The poster you responded to has some very good suggestions. Why not just do that?

    Look at it this way. It is kind of like hitting yourself with a stick. You know it hurts, and eventually you will stop, but if you just want to complain about hitting yourself with the stick and not want to stop the hitting?...Well, you can see why we question your judgement.

    Good luck making the right choices down the road in life.

    (PS: I do note you compare the game to LOTRO and their community. But, LOTRO is full of happy hobbits and gay elves (note gay used in the proper 1920's sense) in a bright and cheerful world. Hyboria is a cruel barbaric low fantasy. If you cant handle the brawn, then you may wish to return to Happy Land.)

     

    Didn't you hear that you aren't allowed to criticize anything ever. Its childish. At least it is if openedge or people like him are watching and around to criticize you for it.

    Why are you calling him childish? I never did. And really, these are valid points.

    As I said, if something bothers me, I stop doing it. I just wonder why this person does not want to do the same.

    And as well, I never said he could not complain. That is not my job. I do not work here. Plus, if he has a right to complain, do I not have a right to counter his complaint? 

    BTW, welcome to MMORPG.com if you think I am unqiue in this aspect. Believe me, I am not alone.

    "Look at it this way. It is kind of like hitting yourself with a stick. You know it hurts, and eventually you will stop, but if you just want to complain about hitting yourself with the stick and not want to stop the hitting?...Well, you can see why we question your judgement."

     

    That line basically just calls him foolish and childish. I see this kind of response every time criticism comes up on this forum. Its the lone dark spot on this forum. 

    ps. your last line also calls him a wuss.

     

  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    Originally posted by AmazingAvery


    The chat on "Some" servers can be pretty bad at times. The context of those global discussions seem to be worst on PvP servers. On some the chat is more than acceptable.
    We need an LFG channel and some better moderation.
    10 people from a few thousand on a server can be detrimental to a 100 new people. The small minority shouldn't ruin it for the rest.



     

    That's what I been saying. It is a few people in global chat that act like idiots and the trolls here on these forums love to label it as the entire community playerbase. Quit replying to them they hate talking into a mirror.

    Badly need a /lfg channel. Global would go off in an instant.

    I'd also recommend a advice/help channel for questions like class help, quest help, etc.

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  • AmazingAveryAmazingAvery Age of Conan AdvocateMember UncommonPosts: 7,188
    Originally posted by Sevenwind

    Originally posted by AmazingAvery


    The chat on "Some" servers can be pretty bad at times. The context of those global discussions seem to be worst on PvP servers. On some the chat is more than acceptable.
    We need an LFG channel and some better moderation.
    10 people from a few thousand on a server can be detrimental to a 100 new people. The small minority shouldn't ruin it for the rest.



     

    That's what I been saying. It is a few people in global chat that act like idiots and the trolls here on these forums love to label it as the entire community playerbase. Quit replying to them they hate talking into a mirror.

    Badly need a /lfg channel. Global would go off in an instant.

    I'd also recommend a advice/help channel for questions like class help, quest help, etc.



     

    They are looking at a LFG channel for sure, rest is hope. I will not let a small minority that I could find in any game including LOTRO that I play ruin my time in game.



  • openedge1openedge1 Member Posts: 2,582
    Originally posted by AmazingAvery

    Originally posted by Sevenwind

    Originally posted by AmazingAvery


    The chat on "Some" servers can be pretty bad at times. The context of those global discussions seem to be worst on PvP servers. On some the chat is more than acceptable.
    We need an LFG channel and some better moderation.
    10 people from a few thousand on a server can be detrimental to a 100 new people. The small minority shouldn't ruin it for the rest.



     

    That's what I been saying. It is a few people in global chat that act like idiots and the trolls here on these forums love to label it as the entire community playerbase. Quit replying to them they hate talking into a mirror.

    Badly need a /lfg channel. Global would go off in an instant.

    I'd also recommend a advice/help channel for questions like class help, quest help, etc.



     

    They are looking at a LFG channel for sure, rest is hope. I will not let a small minority that I could find in any game including LOTRO that I play ruin my time in game.

    Big agree. I have my list of "ignores" and I have a limitless supply. I can police my own chat and filter out the noise. I wish others could do the same. 

    Complaining is one thing, but doing it on MMORPG.com is fruitless. Make the comments on the suggestion forum in the AoC forums where it will be heard...that works (worked for me!)

    Cheers

  • VespersVespers Member Posts: 246

    Being a penis-wrinkle in global chat in a game/server with open PvP is nothing new to MMOs. It has been going on ever since EQ1. However, I do not see much of that with team based PvP or racial PvP. It seems that structured PvP lures more of the mature crowd who dont talk smack as much as the open PvP crowd. On top of that, when a game has as much gore, butchery, and "boobies" as AOC has, you get the immature crowd subscribing in droves. The PvE crowd in AOC is quite a bit better than the PvP crowd but you still have some idiots in global chat even on those servers. Why? Cause there are still "boobies" on the PvE servers and the pervs who really get off to that stuff dont want to be ganked while they are zooming in on the hawt chick's bodacious tah-tahs.
    If a person were to go to the Miss Universe pagent, they are expected to act a certain way or they would be expelled. If that same person went to a wet T-shirt pagent in Florida during spring break, I promise you that he would act completely different.

  • smishersmisher Member Posts: 30
    Originally posted by solareus


    The community.  It is by far the worst .  LoTRO community is so much more mature and able to have conversations,  unlike AoC where it just feels like a bunch of children who just fiscovered the internet.
    If Funcom could ruine the game enough to clean out the community, then I could see the game having a chance for a longer run, as  is, even thought the content is entertaining, the community just drives the game into the dirt, over and over gain., There really isn't anything that can be done to save this game .
    It is definitley a niche "pwnsauce pewpew" game.

    i think you are just a LoTRO fanboy who is afraid of serious competition

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  • FC-FamineFC-Famine Funcom Community ManagerMember UncommonPosts: 278
    Originally posted by solareus


    The community.  It is by far the worst .  LoTRO community is so much more mature and able to have conversations,  unlike AoC where it just feels like a bunch of children who just fiscovered the internet.
    If Funcom could ruine the game enough to clean out the community, then I could see the game having a chance for a longer run, as  is, even thought the content is entertaining, the community just drives the game into the dirt, over and over gain., There really isn't anything that can be done to save this game .
    It is definitley a niche "pwnsauce pewpew" game.

     

    I have to say that having a good community is very important to our game or any game for that matter. Though I also have to say that the tone of the community or even it's general feeling can't really be the bane of evil if that community as whole accepts it. Looking on the outside in you can judge the community to a point where you can determine if you like or dislike it overall. Yet coming into the community and dictating it should act a certain way is not really in the spirit of what makes a community great.

    That basically translates to the idea that communities are what you make it and they're unique in their own little ways depending on how it appeals to everyone. That's why each server has it's own unique community that players conform or help others conform to in the long run. It doesn't make it bad in that sense because there is still a community as opposed to no community. To think we should go in there and remove them all is like promoting anti-community aspects.

    We should promote better attitudes and community feelings but that's a long way from forcing it.

    Glen ''Famine'' Swan
    Senior Assistant Community Manager - Funcom

  • Blackwell99Blackwell99 Member Posts: 352
    Originally posted by FC-Famine

    Originally posted by solareus


    The community.  It is by far the worst .  LoTRO community is so much more mature and able to have conversations,  unlike AoC where it just feels like a bunch of children who just fiscovered the internet.
    If Funcom could ruine the game enough to clean out the community, then I could see the game having a chance for a longer run, as  is, even thought the content is entertaining, the community just drives the game into the dirt, over and over gain., There really isn't anything that can be done to save this game .
    It is definitley a niche "pwnsauce pewpew" game.

     

    I have to say that having a good community is very important to our game or any game for that matter. Though I also have to say that the tone of the community or even it's general feeling can't really be the"bane of evil" if that community as whole accepts it.  This is an interesting comment--lets explore this concept a bit. So what we are saying is that if the community consents to certain behavior it's the collective community's fault for allowing other members to be this way?  Okay..fine, but where does FC draw the line between acceptable behavior and people breaking hate laws, after all, no member has the power to ban people for say...racially charged statements...only FC can do that . Ever hear the expression "Bird's of a feather flock together" I feel that by not discouraging it with strict policies that are enforced, you are in fact encouraging that behavior indirectly. How does the community have a choice? By chastising the kiddies who say very dark and disturbing things in Global chat until they find a new game. I hear what you are saying here..but what is FC's solution to this very common complaint?

     

    Looking on the outside in you can judge the community to a point where you can determine if you like or dislike it overall. Yet coming into the community and dictating it should act a certain way is not really in the spirit of what makes a community great. This kind of a knee slapper with FC's reputation of dictating the forums and how the posters act. Just now I see on AoC's homepage a thread called "For the Love of DT" and you had just told him,"

    I think this is best suited in the DT forums and with less mentions of the class 'sucking' in the context.." http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=201653 If that's not dictating I don't know what is.

    That basically translates to the idea that communities are what you make it and they're unique in their own little ways depending on how it appeals to everyone. That's why each server has it's own unique community that players conform or help others conform to in the long run. It doesn't make it bad in that sense because there is still a community as opposed to no community. To think we should go in there and remove them all is like promoting anti-community aspects.

    We should promote better attitudes and community feelings but that's a long way from forcing it.

     

     

  • zlayzerzlayzer Member Posts: 81
    Originally posted by solareus


    The community.  It is by far the worst .  LoTRO community is so much more mature and able to have conversations,  unlike AoC where it just feels like a bunch of children who just fiscovered the internet.
    If Funcom could ruine the game enough to clean out the community, then I could see the game having a chance for a longer run, as  is, even thought the content is entertaining, the community just drives the game into the dirt, over and over gain., There really isn't anything that can be done to save this game .
    It is definitley a niche "pwnsauce pewpew" game.

     

     

    Okay? Well when i played AoC i thought it had the most mature community out there. Atleast if you turn of the global chat that is and stick with your guild. For example take a look at the WoW community....I did a raid out of the guild because i was allowed to do so. Then when they saw my achievements they started threaten to kill me just because i did something without them! Seriously how mature is that?

     

    While in Age of Conan they just cheered at me and were glad i finally got into a raid. Bet you only looked at the global chat in AoC.

  • FC-FamineFC-Famine Funcom Community ManagerMember UncommonPosts: 278
    Originally posted by Blackwell99


      This is an interesting comment--lets explore this concept a bit. So what we are saying is that if the community consents to certain behavior it's the collective community's fault for allowing other members to be this way?  Okay..fine, but where does FC draw the line between acceptable behavior and people breaking hate laws, after all, no member has the power to ban people for say...racially charged statements...only FC can do that . Ever hear the expression "Bird's of a feather flock together" I feel that by not discouraging it with strict policies that are enforced, you are in fact encouraging that behavior indirectly. How does the community have a choice? By chastising the kiddies who say very dark and disturbing things in Global chat until they find a new game. I hear what you are saying here..but what is FC's solution to this very common complaint?
     
    Looking on the outside in you can judge the community to a point where you can determine if you like or dislike it overall. Yet coming into the community and dictating it should act a certain way is not really in the spirit of what makes a community great. This kind of a knee slapper with FC's reputation of dictating the forums and how the posters act. Just now I see on AoC's homepage a thread called "For the Love of DT" and you had just told him,"

    I think this is best suited in the DT forums and with less mentions of the class 'sucking' in the context.." http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=201653 If that's not dictating I don't know what is.




     

    It's more in the lines that the community may be accepting it rather than it's the communities fault. Take politics into example here. Going into another country and learning about ones culture could lead you to find different practices very violent and restricted from the country you grew up in. Yet to the people in that culture it's considered very normal and accepting. Then for those visiting the country it's hard to understand why the culture is like that in the first place and they would need to change for you to keep vacationing there in the future.

    Specific servers are broken into many different parts. Some who act the ways mentioned above and those who act the total opposite of that. Both are considered part of the culture and both would be opposed to each other views on how the government (Funcom) should enforce the law. One side feels it's accepting and the other side feels it needs to change now. Which side to back is the question and why.

    This is not to say there isn't a problem on unique cases. There are some really good communities out there and not everyone has voiced how they feel about their servers community on the forums. It's just to say that we're not quick to judge either side here when it comes to helping push a new attitude into the community.

    Glen ''Famine'' Swan
    Senior Assistant Community Manager - Funcom

  • VespersVespers Member Posts: 246

    The creator of a MMO has the responsibility and the duty to set up guidelines and boundries which all of the players need to adhere to. You simply cannot just turn people loose in a game and let them decide how they are going to interact in the community. What if the school system was run like you run AOC? Let the children come to school and act anyway they wish just because the majority of the children there accept it? By judging the way AOC run's it community, when the good kids in the school system have a problem with the disruptive children, the teachers should simply tell the good kids to ignore the disruptive children or just go home because this is the way that the school is run so the good children need to either adapt to the poor behavior or find a different school that is better suited for the good children. In MMOs, a good portion of players want to play the game without being picked on, harrassed, or griefed by disruptive players, just like some students want to go to school to learn without having to deal with disruptive behavior from poorly managed children.

    Funcom.....you need to Man-Up and take charge of the community that you created. If the community is currently the way that you want it then that is fine but dont expect the majority of people to continue playing the game once they realize that disruptive behavior ingame is accepted by FC.

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  • ZippyZippy Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 1,412
    Originally posted by FC-Famine



    It's more in the lines that the community may be accepting it rather than it's the communities fault.

     

    When you target a game to the kiddies with immature content such as Blood, gore, nudity and sex its not surprising the community is the worst that has ever played a MMO.  AoC is a perfect example of flash over substance.  A game with candy designed to draw in the kiddies and simplistic easy gameplay so its not to hard for the kiddies. 

    To blame the community for being immature is quite a cop out.  How can you blame unsupervised children for acting like children?  Funcom designed this game to attract the immature kiddies.  You should certainly not be surprised by their behavior.  But blaming the community when it was your design that created the problem, takes the cake.  But given Funcom's reputation and long list of lies and deceit is anything suprising?  But I am glad to see you still are paying your fanboy, AmazingAvery, to post his lies and proganada here on MMORPG.com.  Maybe you can hoodwink a few more people into helping keep Age of Ritalin open a few extra months.

  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    Originally posted by Zippy

    Originally posted by FC-Famine



    It's more in the lines that the community may be accepting it rather than it's the communities fault.

     

    When you target a game to the kiddies with immature content such as Blood, gore, nudity and sex its not surprising the community is the worst that has ever played a MMO.  AoC is a perfect example of flash over substance.  A game with candy designed to draw in the kiddies and simplistic easy gameplay so its not to hard for the kiddies. 

    To blame the community for being immature is quite a cop out.  How can you blame unsupervised children for acting like children?  Funcom designed this game to attract the immature kiddies.  You should certainly not be surprised by their behavior.  But blaming the community when it was your design that created the problem, takes the cake.  But given Funcom's reputation and long list of lies and deceit is anything suprising?  But I am glad to see you still are paying your fanboy, AmazingAvery, to post his lies and proganada here on MMORPG.com.  Maybe you can hoodwink a few more people into helping keep Age of Ritalin open a few extra months.



     

    Guess you never read any of the Conan stories or you would know about the lore.

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  • haratuharatu Member UncommonPosts: 409
    Originally posted by Zippy
    When you target a game to the kiddies with immature content such as Blood, gore, nudity and sex its not surprising the community is the worst that has ever played a MMO.  AoC is a perfect example of flash over substance.  A game with candy designed to draw in the kiddies and simplistic easy gameplay so its not to hard for the kiddies. 
    To blame the community for being immature is quite a cop out.  How can you blame unsupervised children for acting like children?  Funcom designed this game to attract the immature kiddies.  You should certainly not be surprised by their behavior.  But blaming the community when it was your design that created the problem, takes the cake.  But given Funcom's reputation and long list of lies and deceit is anything suprising?  But I am glad to see you still are paying your fanboy, AmazingAvery, to post his lies and proganada here on MMORPG.com.  Maybe you can hoodwink a few more people into helping keep Age of Ritalin open a few extra months.

    I believe the ratings are designed so that kids should not play the game. Funcom is well aware there is a high rating for this game. If parents allow their kids to play the game, isn't it their fault?

     

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  • crunchyblackcrunchyblack Member Posts: 1,362
    Originally posted by haratu

    Originally posted by Zippy
    When you target a game to the kiddies with immature content such as Blood, gore, nudity and sex its not surprising the community is the worst that has ever played a MMO.  AoC is a perfect example of flash over substance.  A game with candy designed to draw in the kiddies and simplistic easy gameplay so its not to hard for the kiddies. 
    To blame the community for being immature is quite a cop out.  How can you blame unsupervised children for acting like children?  Funcom designed this game to attract the immature kiddies.  You should certainly not be surprised by their behavior.  But blaming the community when it was your design that created the problem, takes the cake.  But given Funcom's reputation and long list of lies and deceit is anything suprising?  But I am glad to see you still are paying your fanboy, AmazingAvery, to post his lies and proganada here on MMORPG.com.  Maybe you can hoodwink a few more people into helping keep Age of Ritalin open a few extra months.

    I believe the ratings are designed so that kids should not play the game. Funcom is well aware there is a high rating for this game. If parents allow their kids to play the game, isn't it their fault?

     



     

    Well they toned down the needless nudity, that was a big part of the mature rating.  Also you got peoples heads getting chopped off and blood splattering everywhere.  I mean the game is based off a fictional barbarians world, nothing rated G about any of that.

    As for the community, its pretty easy to find a mature guild, most advertise as such, click on the add, send a tell to the leader...bam, a mature community.  Global has its low points.  I mean on a saturday moring, or friday night, you can imagine all the kids logging on all games.  I think theres a majority of people who dont really use global other than looking for a group.

     

  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    Originally posted by solareus


    So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?



     

    It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

     

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  • BarteauxBarteaux Member Posts: 483
    Originally posted by Sevenwind

    Originally posted by solareus


    So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?



     

    It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

     

     

    Oh, a rational answer...

    You know this is mmorpg.com?

     

    For me, the worst part is getting hooked on an mmorpg again. I have too many responsibilities to use half my life on a game (something I used to).

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  • SevenwindSevenwind Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    Originally posted by solareus

    Originally posted by Sevenwind

    Originally posted by solareus


    So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?



     

    It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

     

    And yet ther eis not magic in Conan world, it is mostly just ritualistic things.... that is why the fantasy really plays to adults when you read it. Think the cop out for the this community is pretty weak, it is the lack of disipline that is creating the sesspool .



     

    That's your reply that it doesn't have magic? There is no cop out for this community. Get real, the people that play this game know how to manage global chat and find excellent players, great community, and good dungeon runs. I'm sorry you didn't find the game fun and that AoC broke your video card.

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  • Vagrant_ZeroVagrant_Zero Member Posts: 1,190
    Originally posted by solareus

    Originally posted by Sevenwind

    Originally posted by solareus


    So from eveeryones input , it seems to boil down, that this is not an adult mmorpg ?



     

    It's a mmorpg that was designed around Robert E. Howard's stories of Conan. So if you are 13 and enjoy the stories of Conan or you are 99 yrs old and also enjoy the stories you will know that blood and nudity are a part of the lore. It wasn't designed to attract kids who like nudity and blood.

     

    And yet ther eis not magic in Conan world, it is mostly just ritualistic things.... that is why the fantasy really plays to adults when you read it. Think the cop out for the this community is pretty weak, it is the lack of disipline that is creating the sesspool .

     

    Of course there was magic in the Conan lore. In more than half the stories Conan ended up coming to blows with a sorcerer type.

     

    WTF. Have you even read anything by Howard? Of course not, trolling forums for a game you hate is more important than reading one of the most seminal works of fantasy.

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