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Empire: Total War, anyone else here played this crappy game?
Bigdavo
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This game has to be one of the most frustratingly retarded games I've played in a long time. I've played every game in the TW series since Shogun and enjoyed them all but this one has done nothing but shit me to tears.
The AI is completely crap for starters, cannons shooting their own men (both on my team and the enemy lol), enemy troops behaving stupidly (charging at odd angles, going around a castle to scale the walls, cavalry standing around getting butchered by bullets and the list goes on). Granted the AI was always a bit wierd but when I bought this game I expected epic battles not a complete clusterfuck, why the heck can't I have a decent set piece battle without my enemy behaving like complete tards. They never ever charge straight, they mill around in front of your muskets moving backwards and forwards before finally charging at some friggin angle.
and holy shit don't get me started on the naval battles, I literally shouted at my dumbass captains retarded attempt at 'engaging the enemy', it seems even the most basic commands are completely fucked in this game.
Besides that the graphics are awesome and the campaign map seems pretty good. But they do nothing to alleviate the frustration, I've been playing this game on/off for a week trying to enjoy it but I simply can't, thank god I can still return it and get my money back.
I would seriously like to know what other peoples thoughts on this game are, because I'm pretty pissed at CA for producing such a half-assed game. /rant
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I was going to try it...has the updates come out yet.
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Haven't played it but I bought Red Alert 3 off Steam last week. The videos are cheesy but the overall presentation's really good. I was surprised at some of the stuff the AI pulls on you and I've never played a RTS that really encourages co op in the campaign mode like it does.
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You're right, it's a terrible. By far the worst in the TW series, terrible AI, boring units, small map, buggy multiplayer, forced use of Steam. It sure will make me think twice before I buy another Total War game. I spent 25$ for it and I feel ripped off.
All of the total war games have been buggy and crap when they first came out.
It's really not buying them until they've had at least two patchs released.
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I loved all the other TW games and put a lot of time into Rome and M2, but I couldn't get into Empire. I think it was the units and time period. There's just somethign cooler about swords, spears, shields and a phalanx compared to every unit just standing in line firing guns back and forth basically. I liked the map and the change to the way resources and buildings are constructed, but it felt samey without being BETTER. The naval battles which look cool were blah. I don't think the AI in any of the games was ever that good though. I barely got past the 3 hour mark before I just got bored. Maybe I'll revisit it in a year. VERY dissapointed.
Empire had 3 patches when I bought it in June, it's still a turd afaik.
I made the mistake of taking a 15 year olds word that this was "The best game ever!".
More evidence that this generation of gamers don't even know what a good game is.
The makers of this game must have spent huge amounts of advertising dollars to get such good reviews.
i stopped liking CA (creative assembly) after M2TW. It showed they know nothing about difficulty or pushing their game to the limit like it should have been. I've never played any other game where i needed 2+ mods to make the game actually enjoyable. Its the reason i didnt buy ETW. Liked the concept but figured it would suck. Looks like i did a good thing by staying away.... have they even released modding tools yet?
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Not sure about modding tools, but there are a few player-made mods around. One apparently improves the AI, but not very much from what I've gathered. I also downloaded a mod which allowed you to play all teams, the only problem is that unlike Medieval 2, this mod is not supported by the actual game, so I don't think the nations were ever intended to be played. You can play them, but there are a number of issues.
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I like and Hate the game.
There needs to be more groups to unlock.
The Speed of the game needs to be Radicaly Inproved. Im on a Fairly Sturdy gameing Rig and turns and loading battles takes WAY to long.
The Ai is way to weak. No pathfinding to speek of...
Diplomacy is a joke. Ill trade you this Prime land 3 tech trees a Billion gold for that useless area of land... Now can i have it back? ill trade ya more tech and your old land.(Tho this has been inproved)
Come on CA. I used to be a fanboy. Not now.
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Makes me want to start up an play some Medieval 2 imo
I loved it!
And apparently im not alone if reviews are to be believed.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
The problem is that most reviewers spend a few hours or less playing a game, and most assume a game like E:TW will be a good game simply because past games in the series were good. That or they were paid off.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to how E:TW managed almost unanimously good reviews. Very strange.
Yes I love it too, played for 3 months almost everyday and still play from time to time. I won the map with almost every country but I am a little disapointed at the acheivment because I read that after completing the campaing you could play with the american but even after doing it 3 time over it did not work.
The problem is that most reviewers spend a few hours or less playing a game, and most assume a game like E:TW will be a good game simply because past games in the series were good. That or they were paid off.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to how E:TW managed almost unanimously good reviews. Very strange.
lol, or the majority of people disagree with your opinion on the game.
Unlikely I know...
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
The problem is that most reviewers spend a few hours or less playing a game, and most assume a game like E:TW will be a good game simply because past games in the series were good. That or they were paid off.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to how E:TW managed almost unanimously good reviews. Very strange.
lol, or the majority of people disagree with your opinion on the game.
Unlikely I know...
Oh I didn't know you speak for the majority! He actually raises a good point as to how this game recieved such great reviews with so many clear bugs, atrocious AI being up there foremost. The game feels like a shoddy sequel, for it to get 90%+ is ridiculous, especially to people who have played every game of the series.
Also if you look at the posts in this thread most people agree. I'm glad you're enjoying the game but for any TW vet the reviews are complete garbage.
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The problem is that most reviewers spend a few hours or less playing a game, and most assume a game like E:TW will be a good game simply because past games in the series were good. That or they were paid off.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to how E:TW managed almost unanimously good reviews. Very strange.
lol, or the majority of people disagree with your opinion on the game.
Unlikely I know...
Oh I didn't know you speak for the majority! He actually raises a good point as to how this game recieved such great reviews with so many clear bugs, atrocious AI being up there foremost. The game feels like a shoddy sequel, for it to get 90%+ is ridiculous, especially to people who have played every game of the series.
Also if you look at the posts in this thread most people agree. I'm glad you're enjoying the game but for any TW vet the reviews are complete garbage.
Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
The problem is that most reviewers spend a few hours or less playing a game, and most assume a game like E:TW will be a good game simply because past games in the series were good. That or they were paid off.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to how E:TW managed almost unanimously good reviews. Very strange.
lol, or the majority of people disagree with your opinion on the game.
Unlikely I know...
Oh I didn't know you speak for the majority! He actually raises a good point as to how this game recieved such great reviews with so many clear bugs, atrocious AI being up there foremost. The game feels like a shoddy sequel, for it to get 90%+ is ridiculous, especially to people who have played every game of the series.
Also if you look at the posts in this thread most people agree. I'm glad you're enjoying the game but for any TW vet the reviews are complete garbage.
Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
wow... just wow
The problem is that most reviewers spend a few hours or less playing a game, and most assume a game like E:TW will be a good game simply because past games in the series were good. That or they were paid off.
I must admit, I'm baffled as to how E:TW managed almost unanimously good reviews. Very strange.
lol, or the majority of people disagree with your opinion on the game.
Unlikely I know...
Oh I didn't know you speak for the majority! He actually raises a good point as to how this game recieved such great reviews with so many clear bugs, atrocious AI being up there foremost. The game feels like a shoddy sequel, for it to get 90%+ is ridiculous, especially to people who have played every game of the series.
Also if you look at the posts in this thread most people agree. I'm glad you're enjoying the game but for any TW vet the reviews are complete garbage.
Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
Congratz, I don't care if this gets me banned but I can quite happily say that you are a complete idiot. I rarely insult anyone on these forums in such manner but you're one hell of an exception.
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Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
Congratz, I don't care if this gets me banned but I can quite happily say that you are a complete idiot. I rarely insult anyone on these forums in such manner but you're one hell of an exception.
Well atleast you're rationalizing it well.
All I'm saying is that you bash professional reviews, yet expect people to accept you're 20 word summary of why the game is terrible. Seems hypocritical at best; arrogant at worst.
Oh and don't worry, you wouldn't get anything for saying that. People have said much worse in the political discussions. You pretty much have to threaten to murder to get a warning in off-topic :P
Oh and as a note, you continue you make un-quantified statments; even when insulting me :P
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Or you could check E:TW's rating by real players who bought it on Amazon.com (2/5, 200+ reviews) or direct2drive.com (4.4/10).
Metacritic's user rating average of E:TW: 6.7/10, 1726 votes.
Some people like it, sure, but you're insane if you think there isn't a disconnect between what real gamers think of E:TW and what the "professional" reviewers think. Bigdavo and I are far from voices in the wilderness on this one.
I think some of the reason is the perception of the game by fans of the series who've played every Total War game since Shogun, and those who are new to the series. If E:TW was my first Total War game I might think it was pretty good, but compared to previous entries in the series, E:TW is a disappointment.
Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
Congratz, I don't care if this gets me banned but I can quite happily say that you are a complete idiot. I rarely insult anyone on these forums in such manner but you're one hell of an exception.
Well atleast you're rationalizing it well.
All I'm saying is that you bash professional reviews, yet expect people to accept you're 20 word summary of why the game is terrible. Seems hypocritical at best; arrogant at worst.
Oh and don't worry, you wouldn't get anything for saying that. People have said much worse in the political discussions. You pretty much have to threaten to murder to get a warning in off-topic :P
Oh and as a note, you continue you make un-quantified statments; even when insulting me :P
I don't expect anyone to 'accept my opinion', I come here to voice my opinion, and people like you seem to have a fucking problem with it. And please do not get me started on 'professional reviews', it's absolutely naive to not take reviews with a grain of salt these days. Remember a game called AoC? Just because someone is a professional does not mean I can't criticise them. It would be a pretty messed up world when everyone's opinion is discarded simply because they do not fit the bill.
It's wonderful that you love the game, just curb the fanboi rage because not everyone thinks its the greatest.
Also @ abbaba, that pretty much sums up my thoughts, thank you.
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Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
Congratz, I don't care if this gets me banned but I can quite happily say that you are a complete idiot. I rarely insult anyone on these forums in such manner but you're one hell of an exception.
Well atleast you're rationalizing it well.
All I'm saying is that you bash professional reviews, yet expect people to accept you're 20 word summary of why the game is terrible. Seems hypocritical at best; arrogant at worst.
Oh and don't worry, you wouldn't get anything for saying that. People have said much worse in the political discussions. You pretty much have to threaten to murder to get a warning in off-topic :P
Oh and as a note, you continue you make un-quantified statments; even when insulting me :P
I don't expect anyone to 'accept my opinion', I come here to voice my opinion, and people like you seem to have a fucking problem with it. And please do not get me started on 'professional reviews', it's absolutely naive to not take reviews with a grain of salt these days. Remember a game called AoC? Just because someone is a professional does not mean I can't criticise them. It would be a pretty messed up world when everyone's opinion is discarded simply because they do not fit the bill.
It's wonderful that you love the game, just curb the fanboi rage because not everyone thinks its the greatest.
Also @ abbaba, that pretty much sums up my thoughts, thank you.
Oh I don't love the game, I just hate it when people talk crap about other peoples opinions without quantifying their statements.
I enjoyed the game, and I know many people who did. I played it for a few days then put it down; I'm by no means a fanboi, I never raged at the fact that you didn't like it. I only raged at your lack of logical process in expressing your opinion. Which sadly far too many people (not singling you out or trying to say thats why you did what you did) do every time the logic of there argument is brought into question.
I greatly enjoyed the first couple weeks of AoC, hated the endgame, but the first part was great fun; especially tortage.
Its great that you can criticize them, but I think you missed the point when I was dismissing your view simply because you're a nobody on a forum much like you were dismissing the opinion of a professional reviewer simply because of their profession.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
Oh I'm just going off the reviews from sources like meta-critic and the fact that the game is a top seller.
But those are silly indicators when compared to such objective measures as:
-Bigdavo's opinion on the quality of AI
-Bigdavo's opinion on the status of the bugs
I've got this crazy philosophy. If somebody is a professional; a person who makes a living doing something, they are a better resource than your average forum goer.
Quite frankly if your opinion was worth anything, people would pay for it. But they don't.
You can claim that real gamers or real fans of the game say whatever the hell you want. But you have no evidence to support such claims.
You can't accuse me of trying to speak for the majority, then go off and say your opinion represents that of the "more important people."
Your just another guy with a very strong opinion that nobody cares about - no matter how many exclamation marks you use.
Congratz, I don't care if this gets me banned but I can quite happily say that you are a complete idiot. I rarely insult anyone on these forums in such manner but you're one hell of an exception.
Well atleast you're rationalizing it well.
All I'm saying is that you bash professional reviews, yet expect people to accept you're 20 word summary of why the game is terrible. Seems hypocritical at best; arrogant at worst.
Oh and don't worry, you wouldn't get anything for saying that. People have said much worse in the political discussions. You pretty much have to threaten to murder to get a warning in off-topic :P
Oh and as a note, you continue you make un-quantified statments; even when insulting me :P
I don't expect anyone to 'accept my opinion', I come here to voice my opinion, and people like you seem to have a fucking problem with it. And please do not get me started on 'professional reviews', it's absolutely naive to not take reviews with a grain of salt these days. Remember a game called AoC? Just because someone is a professional does not mean I can't criticise them. It would be a pretty messed up world when everyone's opinion is discarded simply because they do not fit the bill.
It's wonderful that you love the game, just curb the fanboi rage because not everyone thinks its the greatest.
Also @ abbaba, that pretty much sums up my thoughts, thank you.
Oh I don't love the game, I just hate it when people talk crap about other peoples opinions without quantifying their statements.
I enjoyed the game, and I know many people who did. I played it for a few days then put it down; I'm by no means a fanboi, I never raged at the fact that you didn't like it. I only raged at your lack of logical process in expressing your opinion. Which sadly far too many people (not singling you out or trying to say thats why you did what you did) do every time the logic of there argument is brought into question.
I greatly enjoyed the first couple weeks of AoC, hated the endgame, but the first part was great fun; especially tortage.
Its great that you can criticize them, but I think you missed the point when I was dismissing your view simply because you're a nobody on a forum much like you were dismissing the opinion of a professional reviewer simply because of their profession.
What the hell are you talking about? Can you please stop putting words in my mouth. I wasn't dismissing any professional reviews simply because of their profession, stop typing shit. I read the reviews before I played the game, I played the game and then I found fault with the reviews. That's it. Imo they simply rated it too highly for what it was.
Also stop trying to sound smart talking about my lack of logical process, that whole first paragraph is nothing but rhetoric. It actually made me smile a bit.
You missed my point about AoC, professional reviewers rated this game highly, despite the obvious flaws after tortage, which you just mentioned yourself, it does put their credibilities into question sometimes does it not?
Bottom line is you dismissed my view because it didn't agree with yours, and read ababba's post AGAIN, if I can't hammer it through your thick skull maybe a different poster can.
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What the hell are you talking about? Can you please stop putting words in my mouth. I wasn't dismissing any professional reviews simply because of their profession, stop typing shit. I read the reviews before I played the game, I played the game and then I found fault with the reviews. That's it. Imo they simply rated it too highly for what it was.
Also stop trying to sound smart talking about my lack of logical process, that whole first paragraph is nothing but rhetoric. It actually made me smile a bit.
You missed my point about AoC, professional reviewers rated this game highly, despite the obvious flaws after tortage, which you just mentioned yourself, it does put their credibilities into question sometimes does it not?
Bottom line is you dismissed my view because it didn't agree with yours, and read ababba's post AGAIN, if I can't hammer it through your thick skull maybe a different poster can.
Could you please stop putting words in my mouth?
I wasn't refering simply to you. Notice words like "people" instead of "you" or "bigdavo".
I have be arguing your logical process this entire time, yet you refuse to say anything other than "you're and idiot"
I have never said "your wrong, TW is a good game and your stupid."
You're taking my criticism of your logical process and somehow spinning it into personal insults.
I never "dismissed your views"
I've only every said I liked the game once, maybe twice; If you go back and again read what I've wrote, you'd notice I've never even said its a good/bad game.
Let me try this again.
I am ONLY critiquing your logical process.
ITS NOT YOUR OPINION I'M TRYING TO ARGUE.
You're insulting me for dismissing your view when I've never done that, all I've dismissed is your wanton disregard for logical process.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...