welll........... ya like when a person says " at it" the damn thing censors it and there's even a space in the middle too so far the most crazy censoring is done by Rappelz...if you play it you'll know wut i mean German, Dutch, Japanese you name it!
Originally posted by ianubisi Originally posted by Faur Wether this is "funny" or "bad" is up to the individual I guess. But I would definately not let my son play games if they teached him that kind of disrespect.
Games don't teach you to respect or disrespect people. People do. If you teach your son how to deal with the ugly aspects of life in a respectful manner he won't grow up to do disrespectful things. It's as simple as that.
That was my entire point. My point is that the type of teenagers you'd typically find in an online FPS and often mmo's are people who would often "teach" disrespect.
Especially in free online games like maple story, gunbound, bots, and so on, you'll run into someone calling you a "fagget" every 20 mins. Heck, I've had people say "you're probably black, right?" to me in gunbound, and received real-life death threats in both maple story and GB.
Of course it doesn't phase me. I know what to expect from online communities. But I definately wouldn't have my son playing with them.
" i can give you a classic example of one time i had to take my 9 yr old brother in-law off the computer till a coversation was doen,"
Sounds like a classic example of why some kids shouldn't be using the internet unattended. If a game or anything else is rated "T" for "teen," like most are, then it's a parent's (or brother-in-law's) responsibility to take action if they feel it's necessary.
Due to the way I grew up, I think as long as parents set their kids straight early about right and wrong and about how to handle themselves that swearing or movies with nudity or sex or killing in them or attending a school with drug pushers or whatever else will have a hard time affecting them in a negative way.
Kids already know a lot more about life's realities than parents give them credit for, and hiding reality from them may simply make them more vulnerable later when they not just know about such things but come to the crossroads of having to actually make a choice about them. Their curiosity may be greater as well if the subjects have been taboo to them before.
Anywho, I think swear filters are fine as long as they can be turned off.
Well I guess you'll just have to live with the game changing your words because, unfortunately, I don't think there's anything you can do to change it because the game was designed to recognize english as the default language.
Yeah, I can still say you are a fat ass sucker (sorry for saying), if I talk another language then English (if it's a international MMORPG). So maybe I swear to you, and say very 'dirty' words, but you don't mind, you can even think I say I love you.
Ik hou van jullie, apen!
Well, what does this means, it's Dutch, try to figure out, if you are Dutch, don't ruin the game, please.
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I think its a fair trade if the game gives you the option of turning them on or off. On a side note, I believe most children by the time they play games have been exposed to swearing via: thier homelife, media, school/peers. Its not fair to say filter the game due to the fact ppl swear, when in actually many children allready been exposed to it.
I mean if you are blindsided by a monster taking a bite out of your rear end, do you think you'd say "Oh golly gosh, it seems a monster has bitten my buttockal region!" Nah you'd probably say some bad words.
I don't swear too much in most of my games i play as most of the guild members are in there 30's or older and have there kids playing with them. But to the OP the word kunt is to close to the word cunt which is a swear word in English that is why it was filtered
Even if this is necromancy, I still think it's funny that Fallen Earth has a profanity filter and yet fuck and other swears come up in quest text often.
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I don't particularly like swear words and I'm glad to have a filter as an option in most games, but I don't think it should be forced. There should always be a way to turn it off for people who aren't offended by them. I don't think they should be changed to something with an entirely different meaning (but I LOLd at the idea of replacing "f*ck" with "I love you" xD), just keep the traditional symbol (#%$*) or asterisk (****) filters IMO...
I've never much understood the need to use swear words. I mean, there are plenty words that are just as emotive / descriptive or more so that aren't so crude. I tend to automatically not pay as much attention to folks who curse a lot because frequent cursers I've run into IRL have been very ignorant... or they've been kids who curse because they think it makes them cool >.> or people who get angry quickly and can't control their temper. Or people who just plain won't be respectful or courteous to anyone. So I've kind of subconsciously made connections between those emotions and curse words. I'm more likely to listen to an acquaintance if they use clean language instead. People I know well are different, since there are a few that break that mold, but I still enjoy the conversation less when they curse. And then there's the simple fact that curse words are used so much nowadays that their impact and "emotiveness" is just starting to wear away.
Don't be offended my my spiel if you curse a lot though, I know not everyone that curses is ignorant, childish, or angry. But most of the folks that I come into contact with in my life that are frequent cursers are. It could be my geographic location, or the crowd I hang out with, or maybe I attract those kinds of people, and they just happen to curse. Whatever the case, it's probably more of a subconscious defense mechanism than anything else. Certainly not logical. Past experience doesn't dictate future experience. But emotions are rarely logical. And as explained above, most of my aversion to cursing comes from emotional associations. Meh. Bottom line though, I'm not the only person with an aversion to cursing, so for the sake of getting along, a filter is good
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If you play kids games like WOW or Aion, in America, i dont think its a good idea to run around cursing. Americans can be very sensitive to cursing. If you play on an european server though you really dont have to worry too much.
But dont login to games like EVE and start looking for a profanity filter... You wont find any. If you play an adult game be prepared to find adult material and adult language. If you cant handle it, theres always WOW, lotro, etc.
If you play kids games like WOW or Aion, in America, i dont think its a good idea to run around cursing. Americans can be very sensitive to cursing. If you play on an european server though you really dont have to worry too much.
But dont login to games like EVE and start looking for a profanity filter... You wont find any. If you play an adult game be prepared to find adult material and adult language. If you cant handle it, theres always WOW, lotro, etc.
Oddly, EVE hasn't needed a profanity filter so far from my experiences. Played it for about a month and a half now and have yet to see a curse word. I agree with you though. I'm told a lot of other languages don't really have taboo words like english does anyway. (I use "taboo" loosely here...)
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]" (Wikipedia.org, 8-24-09)
What do you think about the swear word changing programs in MMORPGs? - I think they are great. Sometimes they can be very entertaining. - Sometimes I say 'fuck'. Without a meaning, if I did something wrong, in most games the word changes to signs or another word like: love you. That's OK, but sometimes when I talk in Dutch, normal words are getting changed. Yesterday I said, you can go, but then in Dutch, je kunt gaan. The word kunt got changed, why? - It got changed do to the " k " sounding like a " c ", and spelling the word with a " c " is slang for female genitalia. I couldn't figure out, it does not look like a swear word to me. This happens very much, not only if you talk Dutch. What words should be banned, what words not? - I would probably only ban actual curse words, and not the creative derivatives. Warning players that a 24 hour ban will happen for using inappropriate language in the public channels is more than enough. I don't see the need to worry about the private ones, since players can just leave the group they are in if they do like others using profanity. -Do you swear alot in MMORPGs? - I normally do not swear, but sometimes it is fun to blurt profanity in private chat channels.
Wow this is a necro, but its a topic that will never fall into the category of being irrelevant.
I think it's more about context, there really are very few "taboo" words in spanish but a there are a lot of ways of saying deeply hurtful things. Profanity doesn't bother me as much as seeing someone being deliberately cruel, and you can't really put a filter on that. On the other hand i really don't see what's wrong with profanity in roleplaying, i can see why a pally wouldn't curse, but rogues on the other hand i would expect to actually go out of their way to. And "evil" races like orcs, come on, i hardly expect the few words they would learn of whatever human language to be polite ones. I used to curse a lot when roleplaying and since i always made "hardboiled" chars i think it was fitting. Sure, in fantasy settings is more about cursing gods and ancestries than using "bad" words, but small details like those is what makes it fun.
Just to make things clear... I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
I curse in character. My elf character use the word "Crowe" as his primary curse (yeah, it is from Poison elves).
I also use the names of some of the in game gods. I never had a character that would say "F**K" because it usually don't work in fantasy at all.
In a modern game when you play a soldier, sure. No problem there. It is useless to play a RPG game where you can't say the words actual soldiers say in combat situation but some words are just really bad in a fantasy game.
You could probably get away with some in AoC but if you actually read Howard you see that Conan uses few familiar curses (Crom!).
On a non RPG server you guys can do and say whatever you like, I am not there to hear it anyways. I don't demand you to stay in character all the time on a RPG server but you can at least use fitting curses. It actually becomes natural pretty fast, sometimes I accidently uses those words IRL.
I believe that if you turn your filter "off" then you are accepting the responsibility of hearing/using swear/curse words. Nothing makes me laugh more than to see a discussion go on like... -------- Bob says: Go fuck yourself, Pwnsjoo Wightnite says: Reported, watch your language. Bob says: If you didn't want to hear my foul language, then why did you turn your filter off? Wightnite says: Because it's my right and my choice. Bob says: So let me get this straight... you turn your filter off, so you can report people using language that the filter was made for? Wightnite says: Yes. Bob says: So you knowingly turn it off so you can see the bad language. Wightnite says: Yes. Bob says: Good... Fuck you Wightnite. ------- If safety measures are in place, and people disable them, then they are subject to said result of not having the safety measures in place. Disable the V-Chip on a TV, and then bitch about the people that broadcast vuglar things on it seems... idiotic.
Convos like these are always good for a laugh, rare as they are. I generally try to watch my language as best I can, but sometimes when things really go down the crapper it is difficult not to let loose a good, hearty curse. Although my self control diminishes noticeably when I play while drunk.
I believe that if you turn your filter "off" then you are accepting the responsibility of hearing/using swear/curse words. Nothing makes me laugh more than to see a discussion go on like... -------- Bob says: Go fuck yourself, Pwnsjoo Wightnite says: Reported, watch your language. Bob says: If you didn't want to hear my foul language, then why did you turn your filter off?
Obviously the filter doesnt work. Even when blocked the meaning is plain. its also plain that you agreed to the terms and now want to argue they dont apply. How stupid is that? If you didnt agree to the terms then why did you click yes?
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welll........... ya like when a person says " at it" the damn thing censors it
and there's even a space in the middle too
so far the most crazy censoring is done by Rappelz...if you play it you'll know wut i mean
German, Dutch, Japanese you name it!
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Games don't teach you to respect or disrespect people. People do. If you teach your son how to deal with the ugly aspects of life in a respectful manner he won't grow up to do disrespectful things. It's as simple as that.
That was my entire point. My point is that the type of teenagers you'd typically find in an online FPS and often mmo's are people who would often "teach" disrespect.
Especially in free online games like maple story, gunbound, bots, and so on, you'll run into someone calling you a "fagget" every 20 mins. Heck, I've had people say "you're probably black, right?" to me in gunbound, and received real-life death threats in both maple story and GB.
Of course it doesn't phase me. I know what to expect from online communities. But I definately wouldn't have my son playing with them.
" i can give you a classic example of one time i had to take my 9 yr old brother in-law off the computer till a coversation was doen,"
Sounds like a classic example of why some kids shouldn't be using the internet unattended. If a game or anything else is rated "T" for "teen," like most are, then it's a parent's (or brother-in-law's) responsibility to take action if they feel it's necessary.
Due to the way I grew up, I think as long as parents set their kids straight early about right and wrong and about how to handle themselves that swearing or movies with nudity or sex or killing in them or attending a school with drug pushers or whatever else will have a hard time affecting them in a negative way.
Kids already know a lot more about life's realities than parents give them credit for, and hiding reality from them may simply make them more vulnerable later when they not just know about such things but come to the crossroads of having to actually make a choice about them. Their curiosity may be greater as well if the subjects have been taboo to them before.
Anywho, I think swear filters are fine as long as they can be turned off.
Plus, manual filters suck. Not only is it just lame, but it generaly encourages going around the filter.
Ik hou van jullie, apen!
Well, what does this means, it's Dutch, try to figure out, if you are Dutch, don't ruin the game, please.
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What about roleplay servers?
I mean if you are blindsided by a monster taking a bite out of your rear end, do you think you'd say "Oh golly gosh, it seems a monster has bitten my buttockal region!" Nah you'd probably say some bad words.
I don't swear too much in most of my games i play as most of the guild members are in there 30's or older and have there kids playing with them. But to the OP the word kunt is to close to the word cunt which is a swear word in English that is why it was filtered
Best Swear Filter: Puzzle Pirates
WTF translates to "What in the Seven Seas!?"
Something kept coming out as "Blistering Blue Barnacles!"
And other common words were changed to "Scupper" and "Barnacle"
The "seven seas" bit cracked me up the most. (:
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I havent seen a game yet where there isnt an option to turn the filter off.
Holy thread-necromancy, &!*£man.
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oops...didn't realize how old this thread was
my bad
Even if this is necromancy, I still think it's funny that Fallen Earth has a profanity filter and yet fuck and other swears come up in quest text often.
"I will not play it nor any other MMO until they make it possible to obtain the best gear without forcing people to group up to do so." SwampRob
I don't particularly like swear words and I'm glad to have a filter as an option in most games, but I don't think it should be forced. There should always be a way to turn it off for people who aren't offended by them. I don't think they should be changed to something with an entirely different meaning (but I LOLd at the idea of replacing "f*ck" with "I love you" xD), just keep the traditional symbol (#%$*) or asterisk (****) filters IMO...
I've never much understood the need to use swear words. I mean, there are plenty words that are just as emotive / descriptive or more so that aren't so crude. I tend to automatically not pay as much attention to folks who curse a lot because frequent cursers I've run into IRL have been very ignorant... or they've been kids who curse because they think it makes them cool >.> or people who get angry quickly and can't control their temper. Or people who just plain won't be respectful or courteous to anyone. So I've kind of subconsciously made connections between those emotions and curse words. I'm more likely to listen to an acquaintance if they use clean language instead. People I know well are different, since there are a few that break that mold, but I still enjoy the conversation less when they curse. And then there's the simple fact that curse words are used so much nowadays that their impact and "emotiveness" is just starting to wear away.
Don't be offended my my spiel if you curse a lot though, I know not everyone that curses is ignorant, childish, or angry. But most of the folks that I come into contact with in my life that are frequent cursers are. It could be my geographic location, or the crowd I hang out with, or maybe I attract those kinds of people, and they just happen to curse. Whatever the case, it's probably more of a subconscious defense mechanism than anything else. Certainly not logical. Past experience doesn't dictate future experience. But emotions are rarely logical. And as explained above, most of my aversion to cursing comes from emotional associations. Meh. Bottom line though, I'm not the only person with an aversion to cursing, so for the sake of getting along, a filter is good
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The best way to deal with trolls:
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If you play kids games like WOW or Aion, in America, i dont think its a good idea to run around cursing. Americans can be very sensitive to cursing. If you play on an european server though you really dont have to worry too much.
But dont login to games like EVE and start looking for a profanity filter... You wont find any. If you play an adult game be prepared to find adult material and adult language. If you cant handle it, theres always WOW, lotro, etc.
Oddly, EVE hasn't needed a profanity filter so far from my experiences. Played it for about a month and a half now and have yet to see a curse word. I agree with you though. I'm told a lot of other languages don't really have taboo words like english does anyway. (I use "taboo" loosely here...)
"In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional or disciplinary response[1] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[2]" (Wikipedia.org, 8-24-09)
The best way to deal with trolls:
http://www.angelfire.com/space/usenet/ [IGNORE THEM, THEY JUST WANT ATTENTION!]
Wow this is a necro, but its a topic that will never fall into the category of being irrelevant.
I think it's more about context, there really are very few "taboo" words in spanish but a there are a lot of ways of saying deeply hurtful things. Profanity doesn't bother me as much as seeing someone being deliberately cruel, and you can't really put a filter on that. On the other hand i really don't see what's wrong with profanity in roleplaying, i can see why a pally wouldn't curse, but rogues on the other hand i would expect to actually go out of their way to. And "evil" races like orcs, come on, i hardly expect the few words they would learn of whatever human language to be polite ones. I used to curse a lot when roleplaying and since i always made "hardboiled" chars i think it was fitting. Sure, in fantasy settings is more about cursing gods and ancestries than using "bad" words, but small details like those is what makes it fun.
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
I believe that if you turn your filter "off" then you are accepting the responsibility of hearing/using swear/curse words.
Nothing makes me laugh more than to see a discussion go on like...
--------
Bob says: Go fuck yourself, Pwnsjoo
Wightnite says: Reported, watch your language.
Bob says: If you didn't want to hear my foul language, then why did you turn your filter off?
Wightnite says: Because it's my right and my choice.
Bob says: So let me get this straight... you turn your filter off, so you can report people using language that the filter was made for?
Wightnite says: Yes.
Bob says: So you knowingly turn it off so you can see the bad language.
Wightnite says: Yes.
Bob says: Good... Fuck you Wightnite.
-------
If safety measures are in place, and people disable them, then they are subject to said result of not having the safety measures in place.
Disable the V-Chip on a TV, and then bitch about the people that broadcast vuglar things on it seems... idiotic.
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I curse in character. My elf character use the word "Crowe" as his primary curse (yeah, it is from Poison elves).
I also use the names of some of the in game gods. I never had a character that would say "F**K" because it usually don't work in fantasy at all.
In a modern game when you play a soldier, sure. No problem there. It is useless to play a RPG game where you can't say the words actual soldiers say in combat situation but some words are just really bad in a fantasy game.
You could probably get away with some in AoC but if you actually read Howard you see that Conan uses few familiar curses (Crom!).
On a non RPG server you guys can do and say whatever you like, I am not there to hear it anyways. I don't demand you to stay in character all the time on a RPG server but you can at least use fitting curses. It actually becomes natural pretty fast, sometimes I accidently uses those words IRL.
Convos like these are always good for a laugh, rare as they are. I generally try to watch my language as best I can, but sometimes when things really go down the crapper it is difficult not to let loose a good, hearty curse. Although my self control diminishes noticeably when I play while drunk.
They can be over done. The other day I referred to ‘a chink in my armour.’ The word ‘chink’ was deemed unsuitable by someone’s filter.
Obviously the filter doesnt work. Even when blocked the meaning is plain. its also plain that you agreed to the terms and now want to argue they dont apply. How stupid is that? If you didnt agree to the terms then why did you click yes?