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With all the free games you would think one will be a big hit..
hoopty
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It just laughable with all the free games that are out now..There is not one that is a big hit.Is this what we got to look forward for the up coming years of game, its free to play but crap to play it..Isn't there a game company out there who is willing to risk to make a free to play game that is really note worthy?
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The phrase "you get what you pay for" will always apply in some way to games. Online games are years in the making and regardless of the vision the devs had of the finished product when they began, they are aware that it's a F2P endeavor and they're likely just not putting their 'all' into it. Corners get cut and I imagine in a big way a weight settles over the devs during development that leaves them feeling like "why should we bother?".
I've been waiting for the exact same thing for years hoopty and the sad thing is,is that it'll probably NEVER happen.It's a shame too because,all in all it would probably benefit them in the long run later because,if you give people a great game to play to start off with and SLOWLY not all at once involve the financial part people would be more inclined to say "ya know,this games always been entertaining i'd like to see it go further here's $10 bucks" or something.I'm sure that everyone that plays free online games wish and hope for to come across that everyday but,like I said it'll probably never happen...
I had the above stated feeling when playing atlantica, only free game where i was actually satisfied with spending money on.
There are no big hits because they are all designed to get players to spend cash. F2P games are not designed with the intent to be fun 1st, and hope that enough players like their product to stick around. They are specifically designed for players to spend money.
Free to play games generally don't have the money for much advertisement, they have to rely more on word of mouth through forums or RL friends, and then build up their player base over a long period of time, which is difficult seeing as when adding patches you can't please everyone. It's probably the main reason why there are no free to play 'big hits'.
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Most games don't even survive in the p2p market. I'm not sure what you expect in the f2p market.
Im not so sure, ive played quality f2ps like Perfect World. Its the bussiness model that defeats them, not so much development. f2ps simply rely too much on squeezing sales through the cash shop to acquire a stable comunity. Their bussiness model is high turnover not regular customers. If a good game prioritized their current player base over new customers they might stand a chance. Greed is whats currently keeping these games down, i would not now even get close to one (lesson learned) but things may change one day...
Just to make things clear...
I speak for myself and no one else, unless i state otherwise mine is just an opinion. A fact is something that can be independently verified, you may challenge such but with proof. You have every right to disagree with me through sound argument, i believe in constructive debate, but baseless aggression will warrant an unkind response.
Personally I think your definition of "noteworthy" may need some adjusting if you can't look at Runescape, Mafia Wars, Haven & Hearth, Atlantica Online, and Runes of Magic and not find something uniquely noteworthy about each one.
Inevitably most of them lack longevity in the way that all non-WOW MMORPGs lacked longevity for me.
Although it's amusing that I play Haven & Hearth (sandbox alpha MMO) during the downtime in EVE (sandbox full MMORPG)...and oftentimes spend more time in H&H because it's a game where you're constantly doing things whereas EVE has huge spurts of downtime.
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I would hope the average person could understand why.It is because there is no such thing as free,i thought that was obvious now a days.
F2P has been replaced with ITEM MALL or CASH SHOP as the proper term for this genre.They rip apart a game then try to OVER SELL it back to you at ridiculous costs.They bank on the fact that there will be players that will not spend a cent,so they hope to rape the ones that do for more than the game is worth.
ALL Item mall games are quite simplistic in their design,because their only care is for the parts they can make money from,they do not care how good the over all game is.The content you will get ,you will only get because they can see a dollar to be made from it.
As of now i have zero confidence you will get any item mall game coming out that is a COMPLETE game.The sad part is that you take a game like AION,and it is not much different in design,almost no content outside of quest leveling and then PVP.That makes for a very simplistic design,that any developer could whip out in 2 years easy.
As of right now there is only a handful of games that should be P2P,because they offer more than the normal ho hum you get in every game,that is what I call content.Filler quests are not content,killing is not content,leveling is not content and PVP is not content.If your game does not have anything outside of this,then it is not a complete game with content.What is more sad,is that there are a ton of gamers out there right now,that do nothing but play a content game as if it were a F2P game.....kill kill kill ,level,level level.You might as well just go play a F2P game and not spend a cent,if that is all you play games for.
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I would hope the average person could understand why.It is because there is no such thing as free,i thought that was obvious now a days.
F2P has been replaced with ITEM MALL or CASH SHOP as the proper term for this genre.They rip apart a game then try to OVER SELL it back to you at ridiculous costs.They bank on the fact that there will be players that will not spend a cent,so they hope to rape the ones that do for more than the game is worth.
ALL Item mall games are quite simplistic in their design,because their only care is for the parts they can make money from,they do not care how good the over all game is.The content you will get ,you will only get because they can see a dollar to be made from it.
As of now i have zero confidence you will get any item mall game coming out that is a COMPLETE game.The sad part is that you take a game like AION,and it is not much different in design,almost no content outside of quest leveling and then PVP.That makes for a very simplistic design,that any developer could whip out in 2 years easy.
As of right now there is only a handful of games that should be P2P,because they offer more than the normal ho hum you get in every game,that is what I call content.Filler quests are not content,killing is not content,leveling is not content and PVP is not content.If your game does not have anything outside of this,then it is not a complete game with content.What is more sad,is that there are a ton of gamers out there right now,that do nothing but play a content game as if it were a F2P game.....kill kill kill ,level,level level.You might as well just go play a F2P game and not spend a cent,if that is all you play games for.
Just out of curiosity, what online game(s) do you play? Based on your post not F2P nor a content game. I'm just curious what you do play as I see that you have nearly 2,000 posts on MMORPG.com so I would imagine you have vested serious time into MMO's. I'm wondering which MMO's that would be.
"It just laughable with all the free games that are out now..There is not one that is a big hit." -hoopty
That is false. It is a common belief of most of the F2PMUSTDIE posters on this forum that F2P MMOs don't do well.
From Austin GDC, regarding Nexon in the NA market:
"In 2005, Nexon America’s revenues were around $650,000. In 2006, when they added Paypal as a payment option, sales rose to $8.457 million, based on item sales. In 2007, once Nexon released its Nexon Cash cards to retail stores, revenue jumped to $29.334 million."
Source: http://lsvp.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/mmog-nuggets-from-austin-gdc/
Game Industry Analyst DFC Intel listed the top 10 most profitable MMOs. Among them are:
2. Fantasy Westward Journey, launched 2004
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million
3. Maple Story, launched 2003
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million
4. Shanda (company, includes Legend of Mir and World of Legend series), launched 2003
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $150-$500 million
6. Runescape
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $50-$150 million
7. Club Penguin, launched 2006
DFC estimated 2008 revenue: $50-$150 million
Source: http://gigaom.com/2009/02/01/top-10-money-making-mmos-2008/
F2P is popular with players and profitable for developers as a business model. It seems like many (NOT ALL) P2P gamers think the MMO sun revolves around Planet P2P on which the continents of SOE, Turbine, Blizzard, EA , Cryptic and CCP reside. That's not exactly the case.
Here's a great video related to the F2P market and the numbers involved:
odeo.com/episodes/24078507-Free-to-play-MMOs-profitable-The-GigaOm-Show
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Yeah all these numbers are good an all but I would like to know when F2p will stop sucking donkey nuts?
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Depends on your defintion of a big hit.Guild wars is a big hit,Runes of Magics and its 2 million subs are a big hit.Atlantica, Rohan Blood Feud ,Reqiuem, and Perfect World are very solid games and if you call eve or lotor a hit these games can be called a hit too.
The big difference between p2p and f2p is that most free to play games .Is that when you spend 20-40 million on game you need to get back that money and p2p with a box game and monthly payment is most consistent way to get back your money . Most free to play games have a smaller budget and risk the less consistent method by but big reward.The mistake people make about F2P to play is that they need NA/EU to be successful.
Since i guess people won't consider RoM or Guild Wars a big hits,Then Guild Wars 2 will the game to break the pattern it will probably be the biggest budget f2p play game to date,Tor might too.
Can you direct me to a thread or post anywhere on the internet where someone other than a raving lunatic posting baseless drivel has said GW wasn't a hit?
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Can you direct me to a thread or post anywhere on the internet where someone other than a raving lunatic posting baseless drivel has said GW wasn't a hit?
He was being sarcastic to the OP, read the first 2 lines of his post to know what i mean.
Because in the end, mediocrity is still mediocrity.
The problem with one being a hit, is that all of them, in general, are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games.
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Because in the end, mediocrity is still mediocrity.
The problem with one being a hit, is that all of them, in general, are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games.
The beliefs held by the Cult of the Western P2P Players are astounding, and this is yet another amazing one.
That's a list of some of the more popular and profitable F2P MMOs out there. Now let's look at the major P2P MMOs
I think the quote below fits the second list a lot better than the first.
"...are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games."
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Can you direct me to a thread or post anywhere on the internet where someone other than a raving lunatic posting baseless drivel has said GW wasn't a hit?
He was being sarcastic to the OP, read the first 2 lines of his post to know what i mean.
Ah, cool. Thanks for pointing that out. I had missed that.
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In my own opinion... There have been some amazing free-to-play games. Even though some are clones of clones. I would say that they are some big players in the free-to-play market. Alantica Online, Runes Of Magic(Have to admit, it's doing well for itself). There are some others that have done well also. I think in the months to come. There will be bigger hits.
Who said this won't be perfect after all we know what is right
And the sounds of bodies clashing is enough to make them cry.
You know this cannot be perfect even when it is feeling right.
And the sound of bodies crashing echo through the night.
Maple Story. If that is not big, what is?
Maple Story. If that is not big, what is?
You have a great point. Maple story is huge.
Who said this won't be perfect after all we know what is right
And the sounds of bodies clashing is enough to make them cry.
You know this cannot be perfect even when it is feeling right.
And the sound of bodies crashing echo through the night.
Because in the end, mediocrity is still mediocrity.
The problem with one being a hit, is that all of them, in general, are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games.
The beliefs held by the Cult of the Western P2P Players are astounding, and this is yet another amazing one.
That's a list of some of the more popular and profitable F2P MMOs out there. Now let's look at the major P2P MMOs
I think the quote below fits the second list a lot better than the first.
"...are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games."
LOL your messing around now.
That F2p list is pitiful. One game on it Wurm isnt really F2p and Entroipia runs on a real world money economy so thats anything but free.
The P2p list destroys near everything on the F2p list. If thats the best F2p has to offer then we're right to bash those games.
Hell, the best two F2p games on that list PWI and Atlantica are worse than AoC and WAR. The drop in quality from p2p to F2p isnt something we made up.
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I personaly feel many free to play games are not worth my personal time.
But that does not mean there are no good F2P games out there, just because they do not suite my playstyle or wishes doesn't mean they are bad games or not worthy to play for others. The same with many P2P games I might dislike most of them, but I still can not see them as being crap, merly as games that do not atract me, which again does not mean that those games are bad, but just means they do not suite my playstyle.
On the other hand what kind of F2P game would you invision to be worthy as you speak?
What is it you are looking for that YOU feel is something that must be good for the majority?
Also what do you consider a hit? 1mill players? 10mil?..........perhaps even more???, as we all know plenty of F2P games that have millions of players.
Obvious I do wish there would come a F2P or P2P MMORPG that would suite my playstyle, everyone wants to find that great game, but I see no reason why we should speak about games we might dislike in such a manner.
Because in the end, mediocrity is still mediocrity.
The problem with one being a hit, is that all of them, in general, are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games.
The beliefs held by the Cult of the Western P2P Players are astounding, and this is yet another amazing one.
That's a list of some of the more popular and profitable F2P MMOs out there. Now let's look at the major P2P MMOs
I think the quote below fits the second list a lot better than the first.
"...are almost nearly all alike. So it's pretty much just ingest and regurgitate with all the free games."
LOL your messing around now.
That F2p list is pitiful. One game on it Wurm isnt really F2p and Entroipia runs on a real world money economy so thats anything but free.
The P2p list destroys near everything on the F2p list. If thats the best F2p has to offer then we're right to bash those games.
Hell, the best two F2p games on that list PWI and Atlantica are worse than AoC and WAR. The drop in quality from p2p to F2p isnt something we made up.
Much like Hoopty, you are confusing your personal opinion with fact.
Hoopty said there was not one big hit in F2P. I listed several that significantly dwarfed most subscription MMOs.
Hoopty said the F2P games were nearly all alike and that they were just 'regurgitations' so I listed the more popular MMOs in each category, from which one could clearly see which group was really the more diverse one.
Now, it's all fine and good if you don't care for a particular type of game. You are entitiled to your opinion. However, when you are presented with facts and concrete data on a topic, and you refute it with the equivalent of 'lol zomg those games sux' then you just reinforce my stance that the Western P2P MMO gamers are all drinking the Cult's KoolAid... heavily.
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