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Will the community make me /Ragequit ?
Zartanyen
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I am not the a huge trek fan, I enjoyed the series and the movies ( the last one was the best movie of the summer) but that is as far as it goes.
I have played many MMO's mainly the standard phantasy ones all the big ones WOW,AOC,WAR,EQ, ETC. ETC., but with the list of garbage put out over the last year or so AOC,WAR,CHAMPIONS,AION, I am just sick to death and want to try something new.
My question is will the communtiy just be a giant trek convention on a MMO plat form? will region chat, guild and vent be full of nothing but trek talk that has nothing to do with the game or the situation at hand 24/7.
I am a hardcore player as in puting in over 40+ hours a week, always joining one of the top rank guilds and aliances, and striving to be the best at PVP and end game, what % of the game will I be missing out on or how will it effect over all play for me if I am not the bigiest fan or versed in lore.
DO NOT take this as a trek bashing post IT IS NOT!
I just do not want to get involved with a game where 90% of the population is going to be talking about stuff that I will have no clue about or where not knowing this out side of the MMO stuff will put me at a in game disadvantage.
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At the rate people change games today, I seriously doubt everyone playing STO will be trekies. Im sure each server will have its share of elitist a-holes, but they are in every MMO.
So you are saying, for example, you go into another game, such as one that you mentioned that you didn't list as garbage, World of Warcraft, you will quit the game because the community is talking about the game they are playing? If you have no clue what a game is about, why don't you just read about it through oh I don't know...GOOGLE?
I doubt many Trek fans will be playing for very long.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Two opinions here... and the game could really go either way at this point.
You know, nearly any time you turn a big IP into a game or movie, a lot of die-hard fans get angry or hate it. And some other people who aren't die-hard fans pick it up and think its pretty cool, in a casual way.
I don't hate STO, and I think a lot of Trekkies/Trekkers will love it, but I am a pretty die hard Trekker and I have already made the decision that I will not be playing STO based on its game design.
There will be a lot of trek fans in the game of course but I think many will try the game that are not huge fans of the trek universe. If its a great game trekkies and non trekkies alike will remain and play. If the game is not so good i would expect the majority of those that do remain will be the hard core trekkies.
Hardcore Trek fans will hate this game, because it isn't Trek.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Hardcore Trek fans will hate this game, because it isn't Trek.
Some of us will. But there are those who will never be happy.
The hardcore trekkies are almost impossible to please. The ones that complain about the proper look of the jeffries tube or the correct size of the plasma coolant are the type people that you will never please so it's pointless even trying. As long as the game is fun to play, I wouldn't worry too much about what is going on in the chat channels. I usually ignore those anyway.
I'm suprised that you are worried about harcore trek fans when you played World of Warcract and Age of Conan. Those are two games with a pretty good fan following and I'm sure you ran across a few "OMG, this game got the sword wrong!"
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Hardcore Trek fans will hate this game, because it isn't Trek.
So you've played it already? Do tell us all about it!
As for "Trek talk"... I wouldn't worry too much about it. There will be some of course but I personally don't think it will be overly tiresome. Of course there will be those few special Trek fans that were expecting a Star Trek life simulator that will bitch up a storm right after launch but they will either soon except the fact that this is a game or they will quit... either is good as we won't have to listen to them anymore.
Bren
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I dunno...
How long has star trek been around compared to how long Warcraft has been around? Are there a ton of movies/IPs similar to Star trek, like there is with Warcraft? hmm.
I would expect to see people screaming just like they did in SWG about how wrong they are with some things. Compared to the decades of ST, there will easily be a bigger chance of things not being correct...
Yeah, there are some things that can't be helped, but, you can be there will be plenty of complainers.
Hardcore Trek fans will hate this game, because it isn't Trek.
So you've played it already? Do tell us all about it!
As for "Trek talk"... I wouldn't worry too much about it. There will be some of course but I personally don't think it will be overly tiresome. Of course there will be those few special Trek fans that were expecting a Star Trek life simulator that will bitch up a storm right after launch but they will either soon except the fact that this is a game or they will quit... either is good as we won't have to listen to them anymore.
Bren
Ive mentioned before that I think artistic license has to be used here as well as it is in LOTRO and most likely AOC although im not as up on Howards lore as i would like to be. Hard core fans of Tolkien complain a bit about this or that but any game of a great IP has to vary some to make it fun to play. My buddy said Smaug was the last dragon in middle earth but what would a fantasy game be without at least some dragon kin to slay? Same will hold true with STO here and there im sure.
Meh, Star Trek is, in all honesty, not always canon to itself. The various Star Trek series writers have made contradictions between the series and films all the time. True Trekkies know this. (Robert April, anybody? The Eugenics Wars? Imperial Klingons? Starfleet insignia communicator tapping?) The newest Star Trek film took the only safe bet that any Star Trek franchise could - an alternate universe.
Also, unlike Star Wars, Star Trek -books- are not considered canon. So there's all sorts of lore that is not "official", or contradicts other lore.
I know that plenty of Trekkies will be up-in-arms over technicalities, but I honestly think as a Trekker myself that less of us will sweat the small stuff than Star Wars fans did in SWG.
They would have to do something really bizzare, like negate the Prime Directive, or mess with the lore or appearance of the 'Top 10' alien species to infuriate the average Trekkie/Trekker.
"Trek fans want to be the captain"
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
They would have to do something really bizzare, like negate the Prime Directive, or mess with the lore or appearance of the 'Top 10' alien species to infuriate the average Trekkie/Trekker.
LOL. You honestly think the Prime Directive is going to be upheld in this game?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
LOL. You honestly think the Prime Directive is going to be upheld in this game?
You know, Doubter, you have a damn good point. But I decided a while ago I wouldn't be playing ST:O.
My guess is that region chat will be full of people talking about WoW, and how much better/worse WoW is than STO.
Indeed. WoW is like the weather. When there is nothing else to talk about...
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Hardcore Trek fans will hate this game, because it isn't Trek.
I guess we played 2 different games, as Im a Hardcore Trek fan and loved it even in its alpha stage. You have played it right???
Nope.
I'll take you at your word about being a hard core Trek fan. So, tell me what you love about it.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Okay, simple solution here.
Head over to the official forums for STO. Look around for threads about "PvP population imbalance" or "Lack of Klingon content" or any similar threads. I saw quite a few of them just taking a casual look at the official forums yesterday. It seems that a pretty large number of the "fans" of this game are worried about there being too many Starfleet players and not enough Klingon players. One post quoted something like 80% of players polled were planning to play Starfleet (no, I don't know how they got that number). Thus, some players are worried that PvP will not be balanced in this game since the Starfleet players will win by sheer zerg numbers alone.
But here is my take on this: Trekkies will be drawn to the Starfleet side becasue of their fantasy to be a Starfleet captain. Meanwhile, normal MMO players who are just looking for a good game to play will probably try both sides and see which they like better from a gameplay perspective. Now a guy like YOU who really likes PvP is probably going to end up playing Klingon simply because they are more aggressive and their gameplay mechanics lend themselves to PvP more easily than Starfleet. I think this will be the case for a lot of the people interested in PvP. Thus, the "imbalance" may actually end up being quite the reverse of what the current fan base is afraid of. Starfleet may have the majority in terms of numbers but I'll bet a lot of the best and most aggressive PvPers will be on the Klingon side.
So, if you consider yourself "hardcore" and you like PvP, then just play Klingon. You will avoid most of the Trekkies and probably find many more gamers like yourself than you would on the Starfleet side. After the game comes out start looking for a Klingon guild which doesn't RP and wants to do a lot of PvP. You will probably be right at home.
BUT... one major caveat here: Cryptic is not known for the high quality of PvP in their games. CoX didn't even get villians for years and CO doesn't have them at all yet, just an arena. Although STO is claiming to have Starfleet vs Klingon PvP at launch, I have serious doubts that Cryptic has any clue how to make it fun or entertaining for hardcore PvPers based on their past track record. So if PvP is what you are looking for, you might just start looking somewhere else. Just some advice, take it or leave it.
The History of the Order of The Golden Shields
Hmmm, I think there are more people in the Federation than in the Klingon Empire...
Reminds me of WoW and how everyone rolled Alliance.
Of course the Horde ruled PvP on most servers in those days, I often thought most "older" players ended up scooting over to the Horde side to escape the "Kool-Aid Drinkers," that had infested the Alliance. In the end, on any server I had played on, the Horde were usually more successful at just about everything. This seemed especially true when players started rolling their 3 or 4th generation characters on the Horde side.
Which is exactly why Im rolling Klingon.
Or opposite of the majority.
Exactly why I played horde side on WoW. Feds will have the bulk of all kinds of players, so Klingon will have less brats. But with the battle warrior mentality of the Klingons, I fear that some of the most annoying "bad apples" will go Klingon. So while the quantity of brats may be fed, the worse quality brats will be Klingon.
The answer is going to come when an expansion adds a Romulan faction. (not confirmed, but a fairly sure rumor). I think the Romulans will be the best place to find cover from the brats. It will just take a little patience.
Thats the problem with any game. "Hardcore PvP" and what you refer to as "Bad Apples" tend to go hand-in-hand from my experience. You can play with the casual gamer scum on one side or the elitist jerks on the other but its often impossible to find any sort of ideal middle ground.
I usually end up turning off all public chat channels and refusing to speak with anyone outside of my guild. If I'm a decision maker in the guild who can remove "bad apples" from the group then all the better.
The History of the Order of The Golden Shields
Yup.. I loved being on the Horde side until they introduced Blood Elves, then all those kool-aid kids came streaming over to the horde and you could easily notice how the community just went downhill.