For any who are curious, here's a TED about the development of computers from scratch.
You all need to get away from these nonsensical hasty conclusions. "Omigosh, it's so complex it couldn't have possibly been made by trial and error!!" It's a similar argument religions use for proof of their gods - such ways of thinking don't help anybody.
The people who developed the computer are probably still alive and how they did it is available if you want to read up on it. There's no mystery and you're diminishing their accomplishments.
I agree that history is a subject many do not know well, or respect highly, and that the efforts of clever people should not be ignored or diminished- but, at the same time, history is written by the powerful.
Now I know I'm gonna sound not like an open-minded person willing to accept any challenge to what is recorded and known as fact, but like some kind of dissatisfied anti-government quack, and hey- whatev-- but:
Columbus didn't discover America
George Washington was not the first president of the United States.
Ford did not invent the automobile
Edison had critical help inventing the lightbulb
and so on...
Our government is known to cover up and keep secret many things for the 'safety' of the American public. Everyone has seen at least one 'redacted' document (government supplied info with 'secure' parts blacked out- often being more blacked out than readable).
So, if people want to say 'What if..."- it's not intended as a slight to the probable inventors, it's just speculation in action- because the government 'could have' captured a fallen alien vessel, anylized the tech, and discovered PNP doping by reverse-engineering it. Doesn't mean it happened that way- it's just a hypothesis. But if it did happen that way, sure as hell the government's gonna come clean and tell the truth. Right?
Yeah.
So- it's not 'Our scientists are too dumb', but 'Our government is kinda sneaky.' And it is.
No slight intended.
The "what if" is unnecessary if you already know the truth.
Even then, what is the truth? It's a good idea to ask "what if," but only if you seek to understand it. You can't just say "what if Obama is a terrorist?!" and expect a result after absolutely no research into the matter. That's Fox News. That's Religion. That's logical fallacy. You MUST back up your claims with evidence.
You form a hypothesis. You carry out the experiment. You get your results.
If you skip the experimentation and head straight for a result that coincides with your hypothesis, you are a fraud.
It's okay to remain skeptical, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, but it's absolute foolishness to discount it. If you want to form a conclusion with results, you must follow through with a complete experiment before doing so.
The "what if" is unnecessary if you already know the truth.
Even then, what is the truth? It's a good idea to ask "what if," but only if you seek to understand it. You can't just say "what if Obama is a terrorist?!" and expect a result after absolutely no research into the matter. That's Fox News. That's Religion. That's logical fallacy. You MUST back up your claims with evidence.
You form a hypothesis. You carry out the experiment. You get your results.
If you skip the experimentation and head straight for a result that coincides with your hypothesis, you are a fraud.
It's okay to remain skeptical, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, but it's absolute foolishness to discount it. If you want to form a conclusion with results, you must follow through with a complete experiment before doing so.
Not wanting to sound like this is a philosophical debate, but 'the truth' is based entirely on trust unless you saw the event with your own two eyes. Now it's obvious at some point you can't do everything, and you have to trust many people, but 'Historical distrust' is fairly reasonable in many cases with what we learn as time goes on.
Evidence of events that happened 10 minutes ago may be possible, but 10 years? 100? Many things are accepted entirely because they haven't been disproved yet- and acceptance because of a lack of a counter-witness is hardly scientific.
Anyway- I'm not advocating nuttery and tinfoil-hatness, I'm just saying people 'What if' without doing the research- and they probably didn't mean to demean anyone by it.
As far as experimentation goes, a lot of our greatest inventors were notorious for only accepting evidence which supported their beliefs (Edison), or for disbelieving the possibility of other theories based on religious grounds- even if it could help their own (Einstein). Everyone has a perspective, a hypothesis, and a line they have to pretty much be pushed over despite the fact that it's for their own good. It's just human nature. It's one of the main reasons why science is in such a sorry state- Scientists are only 'conveniently' scientific.
Arguing with 'experts' can be trying- I should know.
Anyway. Just sayin'
In a way, my post ate itself. The first statement had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of it... I type as I think and make realizations, so usually only the conclusion matters. Sadly, my conclusions suck.
Point being: it's okay to be a skeptic. Be neutral, it's all good.
"Beige alert!"
But if you're going to take a stance on something, do some light research. If the research is inconclusive, start your own experiments and research it for yourself in the field.
If you stopped caring about it, just remain a skeptic - but you should never take a stance you don't fully understand.
Now regarding the point of the thread, yeah, asking questions is fine. Good, even.
However, raising a question in favor of one side (such as with the OP's post) is counter-productive. He did research into how Aliens could have made the computers we use today... but he didn't research how humans could have made them. He provided no source for information about the latter.
A successful skeptic considers both sides equally until one is found to be fraud. When you raise an argument in favor of one side, you will be met with resistance by the other.
If you can't find an argument for the other side, you're not looking hard enough. Here's a good place to look if you know what you're looking for.
I was gonna post up my story but stupid ie/forums logged me out and ate my post. I'm too lazy to search my post history to find when I have typed it up in the past- which I have. Anyhow I dont think aliens had anything to do with the microchip but they are hanging around here for some reason or another. Personally I think the earth is a filling station, a pit stop on the intergalatic highway.
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No but Windows Vista was
R.I.P Chikaca Whachuchu
For any who are curious, here's a TED about the development of computers from scratch.
You all need to get away from these nonsensical hasty conclusions. "Omigosh, it's so complex it couldn't have possibly been made by trial and error!!" It's a similar argument religions use for proof of their gods - such ways of thinking don't help anybody.
Inform yourselves to make it easier on everyone.
I agree that history is a subject many do not know well, or respect highly, and that the efforts of clever people should not be ignored or diminished- but, at the same time, history is written by the powerful.
Now I know I'm gonna sound not like an open-minded person willing to accept any challenge to what is recorded and known as fact, but like some kind of dissatisfied anti-government quack, and hey- whatev-- but:
and so on...
Our government is known to cover up and keep secret many things for the 'safety' of the American public. Everyone has seen at least one 'redacted' document (government supplied info with 'secure' parts blacked out- often being more blacked out than readable).
So, if people want to say 'What if..."- it's not intended as a slight to the probable inventors, it's just speculation in action- because the government 'could have' captured a fallen alien vessel, anylized the tech, and discovered PNP doping by reverse-engineering it. Doesn't mean it happened that way- it's just a hypothesis. But if it did happen that way, sure as hell the government's gonna come clean and tell the truth. Right?
Yeah.
So- it's not 'Our scientists are too dumb', but 'Our government is kinda sneaky.' And it is.
No slight intended.
The "what if" is unnecessary if you already know the truth.
Even then, what is the truth? It's a good idea to ask "what if," but only if you seek to understand it. You can't just say "what if Obama is a terrorist?!" and expect a result after absolutely no research into the matter. That's Fox News. That's Religion. That's logical fallacy. You MUST back up your claims with evidence.
You form a hypothesis. You carry out the experiment. You get your results.
If you skip the experimentation and head straight for a result that coincides with your hypothesis, you are a fraud.
It's okay to remain skeptical, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, but it's absolute foolishness to discount it. If you want to form a conclusion with results, you must follow through with a complete experiment before doing so.
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Not aliens,that was me,u fat-son
Not aliens,that was me,u fat-son
This monkey become an alien?
Not wanting to sound like this is a philosophical debate, but 'the truth' is based entirely on trust unless you saw the event with your own two eyes. Now it's obvious at some point you can't do everything, and you have to trust many people, but 'Historical distrust' is fairly reasonable in many cases with what we learn as time goes on.
Evidence of events that happened 10 minutes ago may be possible, but 10 years? 100? Many things are accepted entirely because they haven't been disproved yet- and acceptance because of a lack of a counter-witness is hardly scientific.
Anyway- I'm not advocating nuttery and tinfoil-hatness, I'm just saying people 'What if' without doing the research- and they probably didn't mean to demean anyone by it.
As far as experimentation goes, a lot of our greatest inventors were notorious for only accepting evidence which supported their beliefs (Edison), or for disbelieving the possibility of other theories based on religious grounds- even if it could help their own (Einstein). Everyone has a perspective, a hypothesis, and a line they have to pretty much be pushed over despite the fact that it's for their own good. It's just human nature. It's one of the main reasons why science is in such a sorry state- Scientists are only 'conveniently' scientific.
Arguing with 'experts' can be trying- I should know.
Anyway. Just sayin'
In a way, my post ate itself. The first statement had pretty much nothing to do with the rest of it... I type as I think and make realizations, so usually only the conclusion matters. Sadly, my conclusions suck.
Point being: it's okay to be a skeptic. Be neutral, it's all good.
"Beige alert!"
But if you're going to take a stance on something, do some light research. If the research is inconclusive, start your own experiments and research it for yourself in the field.
If you stopped caring about it, just remain a skeptic - but you should never take a stance you don't fully understand.
Now regarding the point of the thread, yeah, asking questions is fine. Good, even.
However, raising a question in favor of one side (such as with the OP's post) is counter-productive. He did research into how Aliens could have made the computers we use today... but he didn't research how humans could have made them. He provided no source for information about the latter.
A successful skeptic considers both sides equally until one is found to be fraud. When you raise an argument in favor of one side, you will be met with resistance by the other.
If you can't find an argument for the other side, you're not looking hard enough. Here's a good place to look if you know what you're looking for.
Aliens havn't come to our Planet... end of.
Are you SURE?
R.I.P Chikaca Whachuchu
Are you SURE?
There r always some thing that cant be explained.
Not aliens,that was me,u fat-son
This monkey become an alien?
feel envious ?
I'm really interesting on your story !
Do you mind to tell us what happened ?
XD, what I am interested is what an alien looks like.
Maybe just like ur avatar, haha