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  • Valador_TERAValador_TERA Member Posts: 38
    Originally posted by dstar.

    Originally posted by Valador_TERA


    Mun predates the terms char or toon by many years. Damn, Im only 24 and this thread makes me feel old.

     

    No it just means you played chat room games.

     

    Well tbh, the terms char and toon, as we use them today, didnt exist in the form that we use them in today because - Chat room RP came before the visual MMORPG. But w/e.

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547
    Originally posted by LynxJSA


    "How old school of an online RPer are you?" probably would have gotten less people upset than the question posed. NOT that I feel they are justified in being upset... just saying. :) 

     

    I kinda think they were, because RP doesn't mean game.

     

    There were kids RPing people on myspace a few years ago.... so I guess that's a game? There are people who RP on Twitter and facebook now........... that's a game too? 

     

    I post on these forums, it's a pretty fun game.

     

     

    **sigh**

     

    Like I said, MUDs have been around since '85 and those were games. I have a professor who wrote and ran a MUD, 89-90 that had 2000 players at one time. MUDs are a game. Talking to people in a chat room isn't.

  • Valador_TERAValador_TERA Member Posts: 38
    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Ramonski7


    I've been gaming online since UO and before that PnP D&D and I've never used the term, maybe because I didn't RP as much as some people.....then agin if i did RP at all I think the more highly used term that most players used was OOC. I know I used it. And I'm sure more ppl know what that means, which was basicly what mun was.

     

    It was a derogatory term used by RP elitists to refer to the people who weren't in their RP group/circle/community.

     

     

     

    Eh, as far as I can remember it was simply a word to distinguish a player from their character. The character was usually referred to as the character and the player was the mundane, or mun for short.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627

    So I made this all up and it was not known but by a few huh.    Urban dictionary says different. 

    Read it here  <<<< clicky!

  • mylin1mylin1 Member UncommonPosts: 138

     Started playing an Diku mud at uni many years ago - then progressed to Everquest (on dial up /cry) . Still think there is something to be said for Muds, the social nature of them hasnt been captured in a game since then.

     

     

  • Zorvan01Zorvan01 Member CommonPosts: 390
    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by LynxJSA


    "How old school of an online RPer are you?" probably would have gotten less people upset than the question posed. NOT that I feel they are justified in being upset... just saying. :) 

     

    I kinda think they were, because RP doesn't mean game.

     

    There were kids RPing people on myspace a few years ago.... so I guess that's a game? There are people who RP on Twitter and facebook now........... that's a game too? 

     

    I post on these forums, it's a pretty fun game.

     

     

    **sigh**

     

    Like I said, MUDs have been around since '85 and those were games. I have a professor who wrote and ran a MUD, 89-90 that had 2000 players at one time. MUDs are a game. Talking to people in a chat room isn't.



     

    Hate to tell you, but back then those "chat rooms" WERE games, and were in fact better and more detailed "virtual worlds" than any graphical game has ever had.

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  • Valador_TERAValador_TERA Member Posts: 38

    I think most people nowadays assume that if Blizzard didnt create the word and use it in WOW, then obviously the word never existed and youre making shit up now.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627
    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by LynxJSA


    "How old school of an online RPer are you?" probably would have gotten less people upset than the question posed. NOT that I feel they are justified in being upset... just saying. :) 

     

    I kinda think they were, because RP doesn't mean game.

     

    There were kids RPing people on myspace a few years ago.... so I guess that's a game? There are people who RP on Twitter and facebook now........... that's a game too? 

     

    I post on these forums, it's a pretty fun game.

     

     

    **sigh**

     

    Like I said, MUDs have been around since '85 and those were games. I have a professor who wrote and ran a MUD, 89-90 that had 2000 players at one time. MUDs are a game. Talking to people in a chat room isn't.

    Sorry - you're wrong again.  We had rules, we had character sheets, pictures, we even could roll dice to determine the outcome of things.  It was not just a chat room.   It was a game.   BTW the term was used in games long before AOL chat rooms.   I first encountered it playin a MuD called Solaris on a BBS,

     

  • SarshiakSarshiak Member Posts: 12

    Neverwinter Nights, on AOL was pretty much the first graphical MMORPG. So old that the PVP lacked any melee combat. The only way to attack another player was with a well placed fireball, a cleverly placed lighting bolt, or the dreaded Hold spell, which would render the target helpless until a monster would come and finish them off. Thats pretty old school. Around the same time Gamestorm had a title called Legends of Kesmai. If you know the title, you're pretty old school. Gamestorm was an online gaming service that had many online game, like Aliens Online(I was ReEkEr,one of the highest ranking alien Empresses), Magestorm(I was totally in love with this game), Godzilla Online, and near the end Starship Troopers online.

    The Realm was on AOL only for its beta. It was the first graphical online RPG with melee PvP. It coined the term "jumping". Which was attacking a player/players without warning. Basically the beginning of ganking. Most jumping occured in the "Killing Fields". It was a hell of a game. People with murders/pickpockets attached to them would be arrested when they entered town and put in prison. There was a type of loot drop in PvP, but all weapons/armor could be bought in the town shops.

    After some time the Realm went into a closed beta for its next version. Thats when I switched to UO. Great Lords,Dread Lords, castle theives gankers at the Crossroads...thats all oldschool.  A mob of lizardmen, toss in a few liches and some gankers...all while you have only enough regs for a flamestrike, or a recall.... hell all of this is oldschool. It all brings back memories. Lower Guk in Everquest...not to mention The KFC(aviak spawns in zones I can't quite remember), hill giants dropping rediculious amounts of coins,overloading you within a few hours..all thats oldschool...68 hours and still no Eboots...thats oldschool...

     

    Lets just hope theres still more memories to come.

     

     

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547
    Originally posted by Zorvan01

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by LynxJSA


    "How old school of an online RPer are you?" probably would have gotten less people upset than the question posed. NOT that I feel they are justified in being upset... just saying. :) 

     

    I kinda think they were, because RP doesn't mean game.

     

    There were kids RPing people on myspace a few years ago.... so I guess that's a game? There are people who RP on Twitter and facebook now........... that's a game too? 

     

    I post on these forums, it's a pretty fun game.

     

     

    **sigh**

     

    Like I said, MUDs have been around since '85 and those were games. I have a professor who wrote and ran a MUD, 89-90 that had 2000 players at one time. MUDs are a game. Talking to people in a chat room isn't.



     

    Hate to tell you, but back then those "chat rooms" WERE games, and were in fact better and more detailed "virtual worlds" than any graphical game has ever had.

     

    So you could move around? 

    There were fight mechanics? 

    So, basically you were playing DnD Remotely if you were even playing a P&P RPG at all... which really has nothing to do with being "online" and you could accomplish the same thing over a Phone Party Line? (which have been around since before phone numbers and operators )

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547
    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by LynxJSA


    "How old school of an online RPer are you?" probably would have gotten less people upset than the question posed. NOT that I feel they are justified in being upset... just saying. :) 

     

    I kinda think they were, because RP doesn't mean game.

     

    There were kids RPing people on myspace a few years ago.... so I guess that's a game? There are people who RP on Twitter and facebook now........... that's a game too? 

     

    I post on these forums, it's a pretty fun game.

     

     

    **sigh**

     

    Like I said, MUDs have been around since '85 and those were games. I have a professor who wrote and ran a MUD, 89-90 that had 2000 players at one time. MUDs are a game. Talking to people in a chat room isn't.

    Sorry - you're wrong again.  We had rules, we had character sheets, pictures, we even could roll dice to determine the outcome of things.  It was not just a chat room.   It was a game.   BTW the term was used in games long before AOL chat rooms.   I first encountered it playin a MuD called Solaris on a BBS,

     

     

    Well, still like I said in my previous post. Technically, that has nothing to do with being an Online gamer. If you want to go that far, I'm pretty sure there were people playing DnD on the party lines that were hugely popular in the 70s. That's playing a P&P RPG remotely.

     

    By saying Online you immediatly conjure in the use of a computer. Which a game on a computer consists of computer code. There was no computer code that dictated anything you did, hence there was no Online Game.

  • LynxJSALynxJSA Member RarePosts: 3,334
    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Ramonski7


    I've been gaming online since UO and before that PnP D&D and I've never used the term, maybe because I didn't RP as much as some people.....then agin if i did RP at all I think the more highly used term that most players used was OOC. I know I used it. And I'm sure more ppl know what that means, which was basicly what mun was.

     

    It was a derogatory term used by RP elitists to refer to the people who weren't in their RP group/circle/community.

     

     

     

    Eh, as far as I can remember it was simply a word to distinguish a player from their character. The character was usually referred to as the character and the player was the mundane, or mun for short.

     

    You probably heard it long before I did. I hadn't heard the word until UO when I'd be running a quest and the RP crowd would start referring to the non-RPer that showed up as a 'mun'. After a while I asked some of the RPers and the manner in which they explained it made it clear the context in which they were using it.  'mun' or 'perp' or 'dewd''... it's like each year a certain crowd would come up with a new term for the non-RPers.

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  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627
    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by Teala

    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by LynxJSA


    "How old school of an online RPer are you?" probably would have gotten less people upset than the question posed. NOT that I feel they are justified in being upset... just saying. :) 

     

    I kinda think they were, because RP doesn't mean game.

     

    There were kids RPing people on myspace a few years ago.... so I guess that's a game? There are people who RP on Twitter and facebook now........... that's a game too? 

     

    I post on these forums, it's a pretty fun game.

     

     

    **sigh**

     

    Like I said, MUDs have been around since '85 and those were games. I have a professor who wrote and ran a MUD, 89-90 that had 2000 players at one time. MUDs are a game. Talking to people in a chat room isn't.

    Sorry - you're wrong again.  We had rules, we had character sheets, pictures, we even could roll dice to determine the outcome of things.  It was not just a chat room.   It was a game.   BTW the term was used in games long before AOL chat rooms.   I first encountered it playin a MuD called Solaris on a BBS,

     

     

    Well, still like I said in my previous post. Technically, that has nothing to do with being an Online gamer. If you want to go that far, I'm pretty sure there were people playing DnD on the party lines that were hugely popular in the 70s. That's playing a P&P RPG remotely.

     

    By saying Online you immediatly conjure in the use of a computer. Which a game on a computer consists of computer code. There was no computer code that dictated anything you did, hence there was no Online Game.

    LOL!  I just provided you a link to the Urban dictionary that describes what a mun was....shall I quote it?

     

    1. mun

    from the word "mundane", a mun is the author writing for a character in an online RPG. Can also be used as a suffix to denote a reference to a character's player rather than the character. Synonymous with certain connotations of roleplayer, author, player.

    "That mun may be an idiot, but I can't fault his playing style."

    "Do you think Wren-mun's coming tonight? I want to finish this RP with her."

    by Riku Dec 24, 2003 share this

     

     

  • Valador_TERAValador_TERA Member Posts: 38
    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Ramonski7


    I've been gaming online since UO and before that PnP D&D and I've never used the term, maybe because I didn't RP as much as some people.....then agin if i did RP at all I think the more highly used term that most players used was OOC. I know I used it. And I'm sure more ppl know what that means, which was basicly what mun was.

     

    It was a derogatory term used by RP elitists to refer to the people who weren't in their RP group/circle/community.

     

     

     

    Eh, as far as I can remember it was simply a word to distinguish a player from their character. The character was usually referred to as the character and the player was the mundane, or mun for short.

     

    You probably heard it long before I did. I hadn't heard the word until UO when I'd be running a quest and the RP crowd would start referring to the non-RPer that showed up as a 'mun'. After a while I asked some of the RPers and the manner in which they explained it made it clear the context in which they were using it.  'mun' or 'perp' or 'dewd''... it's like each year a certain crowd would come up with a new term for the non-RPers.

     

    Ah, if you were on a RP dominated shard then they may have looked down on people who played OOC. Its funny how the roles have been reversed over the years. Now people look down on RPers in MMO's.

    I personally prefer to just play MMO's OOC. I havent RPed in years, minus dabbling in some pen and paper D&D here and there.

  • DerrialDerrial Member Posts: 250

    I go all the way back to a time when you'd post your phone number on a BBS (that's Bulletin Board Service, the pre-precursor to online forums), then someone calls you up and you manually set up a peer-to-peer dial-up deathmatch game in Doom with them. Yeah, I think online gaming is a lot better now.

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547
    Originally posted by Teala Well, still like I said in my previous post. Technically, that has nothing to do with being an Online gamer. If you want to go that far, I'm pretty sure there were people playing DnD on the party lines that were hugely popular in the 70s. That's playing a P&P RPG remotely.
     
    By saying Online you immediatly conjure in the use of a computer. Which a game on a computer consists of computer code. There was no computer code that dictated anything you did, hence there was no Online Game.

    LOL!  I just provided you a link to the Urban dictionary that describes what a mun was....shall I quote it?

     

    1. mun

    from the word "mundane", a mun is the author writing for a character in an online RPG. Can also be used as a suffix to denote a reference to a character's player rather than the character. Synonymous with certain connotations of roleplayer, author, player.

    "That mun may be an idiot, but I can't fault his playing style."

    "Do you think Wren-mun's coming tonight? I want to finish this RP with her."

    by Riku Dec 24, 2003 share this

     

     

     

    I have 3 definitions on Urban Dictionary... what's your point? 

    Even still.......... I'm not really sure you read my post? Where was I saying that the word "mun" did or did not exist? I'm debating the fact that you actually think that playing a P&P RPG remotely, has any resemblance to an Online Game.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627
    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    Originally posted by LynxJSA

    Originally posted by Ramonski7


    I've been gaming online since UO and before that PnP D&D and I've never used the term, maybe because I didn't RP as much as some people.....then agin if i did RP at all I think the more highly used term that most players used was OOC. I know I used it. And I'm sure more ppl know what that means, which was basicly what mun was.

     

    It was a derogatory term used by RP elitists to refer to the people who weren't in their RP group/circle/community.

     

     

     

    Eh, as far as I can remember it was simply a word to distinguish a player from their character. The character was usually referred to as the character and the player was the mundane, or mun for short.

     

    You probably heard it long before I did. I hadn't heard the word until UO when I'd be running a quest and the RP crowd would start referring to the non-RPer that showed up as a 'mun'. After a while I asked some of the RPers and the manner in which they explained it made it clear the context in which they were using it.  'mun' or 'perp' or 'dewd''... it's like each year a certain crowd would come up with a new term for the non-RPers.

     

    Ah, if you were on a RP dominated shard then they may have looked down on people who played OOC. Its funny how the roles have been reversed over the years. Now people look down on RPers in MMO's.

    I personally prefer to just play MMO's OOC. I havent RPed in years, minus dabbling in some pen and paper D&D here and there.



     

    This is quite true.   Things have changed that much.   Before it was all about staying in character...people really RP'd and looked down on players that didn't go with the proper OOC before talking out of character.   Funny how things change.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627
    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by Teala Well, still like I said in my previous post. Technically, that has nothing to do with being an Online gamer. If you want to go that far, I'm pretty sure there were people playing DnD on the party lines that were hugely popular in the 70s. That's playing a P&P RPG remotely.
     
    By saying Online you immediatly conjure in the use of a computer. Which a game on a computer consists of computer code. There was no computer code that dictated anything you did, hence there was no Online Game.

    LOL!  I just provided you a link to the Urban dictionary that describes what a mun was....shall I quote it?

     

    1. mun

    from the word "mundane", a mun is the author writing for a character in an online RPG. Can also be used as a suffix to denote a reference to a character's player rather than the character. Synonymous with certain connotations of roleplayer, author, player.

    "That mun may be an idiot, but I can't fault his playing style."

    "Do you think Wren-mun's coming tonight? I want to finish this RP with her."

    by Riku Dec 24, 2003 share this

     

     

     

    I have 3 definitions on Urban Dictionary... what's your point? 

    Even still.......... I'm not really sure you read my post? Where was I saying that the word "mun" did or did not exist? I'm debating the fact that you actually think that playing a P&P RPG remotely, has any resemblance to an Online Game.



     

    Because it was a game.   It was played online.   The term mun was used in many games, like Gemstone III and NWN's, the Realm, you going to sit there and tell me they were not online games?

  • Valador_TERAValador_TERA Member Posts: 38
    Originally posted by TheHatter

    Originally posted by Teala Well, still like I said in my previous post. Technically, that has nothing to do with being an Online gamer. If you want to go that far, I'm pretty sure there were people playing DnD on the party lines that were hugely popular in the 70s. That's playing a P&P RPG remotely.
     
    By saying Online you immediatly conjure in the use of a computer. Which a game on a computer consists of computer code. There was no computer code that dictated anything you did, hence there was no Online Game.

    LOL!  I just provided you a link to the Urban dictionary that describes what a mun was....shall I quote it?

     

    1. mun

    from the word "mundane", a mun is the author writing for a character in an online RPG. Can also be used as a suffix to denote a reference to a character's player rather than the character. Synonymous with certain connotations of roleplayer, author, player.

    "That mun may be an idiot, but I can't fault his playing style."

    "Do you think Wren-mun's coming tonight? I want to finish this RP with her."

    by Riku Dec 24, 2003 share this

     

     

     

    I have 3 definitions on Urban Dictionary... what's your point? 

    Even still.......... I'm not really sure you read my post? Where was I saying that the word "mun" did or did not exist? I'm debating the fact that you actually think that playing a P&P RPG remotely, has any resemblance to an Online Game.

     

    You obviously never weened yourself off your NES growing up, if youre even old enough to have owned one...

  • NarugNarug Member UncommonPosts: 756
    Originally posted by Cecropia


    It's amazing that a harmless and charming thread such as this can still be dirtied up with the whole "lies, your so wrong" crap.
    Ridiculous.



     

    I wasn't upset.

    I decide what/who I am and nobody else does.  It's just that simple.

    End of line.

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  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547

     



    Originally posted by Teala  

     

    Because it was a game.   It was played online.   The term mun was used in many games, like Gemstone III and NWN's, the Realm, you going to sit there and tell me they were not online games?





     

    Granted, Gemstone and NWN were games, but you were originally referring to AOL RPG Chatrooms as being Online Games. When really, that just boils down to people coming together and creating something, not making it. It's just a P&P RPG and really could be accomplished in the exact same way as playing on a phone party line.

     

    I never played them, tbh. I never had a computer with internet till I was 15 or 16 in 1999ish, found UO almost immediately and have been addicted ever since.

     



    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    You obviously never weened yourself off your NES growing up, if youre even old enough to have owned one...



     

    If the age on your profile is right, I'm slightly older than you. Thanks. I also had an Atari, Commadore 64 (which I played only games on, lol Original Tomb Raider mostly) and a Sega Master System.

  • dstar.dstar. Member Posts: 474
    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    Originally posted by dstar.

    Originally posted by Valador_TERA


    Mun predates the terms char or toon by many years. Damn, Im only 24 and this thread makes me feel old.

     

    No it just means you played chat room games.

     

    Well tbh, the terms char and toon, as we use them today, didnt exist in the form that we use them in today because - Chat room RP came before the visual MMORPG. But w/e.

     

    What I meant is that just because you role played in a chat room and used the term "mun" doesn't necessarily make you older than other oldschool gamers.  There are plenty of gamers that played MuDs, including me that never once heard or read the term "mun".  People that played Doom, and Quake through BBS will be the first people to give you a "huh?" if you asked them the same question.

    At any rate it really doesn't matter either way.

  • TheHatterTheHatter Member Posts: 2,547
    Originally posted by dstar.

    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    Originally posted by dstar.

    Originally posted by Valador_TERA


    Mun predates the terms char or toon by many years. Damn, Im only 24 and this thread makes me feel old.

     

    No it just means you played chat room games.

     

    Well tbh, the terms char and toon, as we use them today, didnt exist in the form that we use them in today because - Chat room RP came before the visual MMORPG. But w/e.

     

    What I meant is that just because you role played in a chat room and used the term "mun" doesn't necessarily make you older than other oldschool gamers.  There are plenty of gamers that played MuDs, including me that never once heard or read the term "mun".  People that played Doom, and Quake through BBS will be the first people to give you a "huh?" if you asked them the same question.

    At any rate it really doesn't matter either way.

     

    My last 3 or 4 replies basically boil down to what you said, dstar.

     

    Thank you.

  • VexeVexe Member Posts: 549

     I am unfortunately too young for that. I think I was 1 when all that was popular. I didn't even start using the internet until I was 10-ish. I started playing MMOs soon after I got into the internet, though. maybe a year or less. The good old days.

  • TealaTeala Member RarePosts: 7,627
    Originally posted by TheHatter


     

    Originally posted by Teala  
     
    Because it was a game.   It was played online.   The term mun was used in many games, like Gemstone III and NWN's, the Realm, you going to sit there and tell me they were not online games?



     

    Granted, Gemstone and NWN were games, but you were originally referring to AOL RPG Chatrooms as being Online Games. When really, that just boils down to people coming together and creating something, not making it. It's just a P&P RPG and really could be accomplished in the exact same way as playing on a phone party line.

     

    I never played them, tbh. I never had a computer with internet till I was 15 or 16 in 1999ish, found UO almost immediately and have been addicted ever since.

     



    Originally posted by Valador_TERA

    You obviously never weened yourself off your NES growing up, if youre even old enough to have owned one...



     

    If the age on your profile is right, I'm slightly older than you. Thanks. I also had an Atari, Commadore 64 (which I played only games on, lol Original Tomb Raider mostly) and a Sega Master System.



     

    Ummm...what part of my response to someone answering this question did you not understand and why do you insist on twisting what I said.    First one of you accused me of totally making it up.   Still no apology for that.  Called me a liar.    Did I lie?   No...the term mun is a real term and was used back in the day by many gamers.   Whether you heard of it or not it existed and it was real.

    "This term was also used by many early UO players, EQ players and AC players. It is a carry over from AOL freeform chat room role playing, Gemstone III, NWN, The Realm and many other old online games. You the player are the Mun..short for mundane. ^_^ Characters are avatars, toons and since you are human and come from the mundane world = we're all Mun's!"

    It was not just from AOL chatrooms, but many various online gaming venues.   

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