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PS3 vs PC?? which?
TweFoju
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ok, so i was wondering, for those of you who played FFXI in a different platform (PS2 and PC) because this will decide whether of not i will buy a new Laptop next year or just stick with my PS3 and save some money. lol
i would like to know what is the different between each? apart from Graphic of course
i know that Graphics will be obviously won by PC platform by the time FFXIV is out
but what about the other matter?
like, if you Play FFXIV in PS3, will it be easier with stick? or on the other hand, it makes you harder to control using the Stick?
how about the Expansion? is it using the same style as PC Expansion? like do we install Expansion or we actually change the Blue Ray CD to play the Expansion and all
then about Add Ons, we know Modding or Add Ons will be available for PC
but what about Console? do the Add On will be released for Consoles as well?
if not, doesn't it make the PC user more convenient with all the Modding and Add Ons over Console users?
because obviously in raid, we need some sort of assisting add ons right? and not only in raid, perhaps each class will have it's own add on like in WoW to make the use of skill or any other stuffs easier
then again
do they have a special feature/add ons for FFXI in Console platform that they dont for PC back then?
thanks
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They made FFXI in such a way that it was designed to be used by a controller, and I think did an excellent job. Even when I started playing on my PC, I still hooked up my PS2 controller and used it. It was just much easier, I think. But it might just be because I was so used to that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PQH1rnxjUU (my video of my level 70 fight with Maat – I use a controller on PC)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCMbcRAxizw
That guy is doing some uberness. It’s in Japanese, but, you get the idea. He uses both the menu and macros to the effect of doing something that should take 6 people and doing it as 1 hehe.
In FFXI, you had macro sets: 10 macro sets of 10 macro bars, each with a ‘ctrl’ and ‘alt’ bar of 10 macros. It was basically 2000 macros. You could quickly change in between the macro bars. ‘Ctrl’ bar was the L2 button of the PS2 controller, and ‘Alt’ bar was R2. When you held down L2, your 10 ‘Ctrl’ macros came up and it was highlighted on the last macro used. You used the Left & Right on the D-Pad to highlight other macros and then X to execute, or Up & Down to change macro bars. On the PC, you could do Ctrl+#, and it would have the same effect.
You could also select what you wanted to do with their GUI. When you selected a mob (left & right on the D-Pad), and hit ‘X’, you’d get a menu (the menu is in the lower left ‘switch target’ at the top of it). You can select anything your character can currently do from that menu. Magic, Abilities, use items, etc. That is a bit clunky IMHO, but I’ve seen it used to great effect.
You’d think this would be too slow. And if the game was WOW, I think you’d be right. But each action required a certain amount of time to execute and it was very often plenty of time to figure out what you wanted to do next.
Now, looking at the screenshots of the UI, it looks like it's going to be a more traditional WOW-style UI. With that style, I’m not sure how they’re going to do it with the controller to be honest.
Expansions - Expansions were done the same way. You'd buy an update, install the software on the PS2, and input a code to register your account for the expansion.
Add-ons will be availble for the PC I'm sure. But none of them are 'legal'. Just... sort of tolerated, because everybody uses them (and they can't really trace them). IMO, if the data is in my memory, that's my data and I can do with it as I please. if you don't want me seeing other people's TP, then don't put it on my machine!
There has never, to my knoledge, been a Add-on for PS2 released. Ever.
You don't "need" any add-ons. It's not WOW. Is it easier to see other's TP, or be able to make macros that switch out all your gear every time you perform any action? of course it is. But the PS2 macros worked fine for that, just a bit harder.
I'd say one thing as a bottom line about add-ons. The game is meant to be played without them. The PS2/PS3 versions of a game just enforce that. You can easily play the game without them.
Could I go back and play FFXI without windower and all it's uber glory? I don't think I'd want to.
Am I going to play FFXIV on PS3 or PC? Probably PS3, just because I doubt my laptop will be able to handle it and I don't have the money for a new one, and I only use my PS3 right now for watching Hulu & stuff, so I might as well have it do something more productive. But I'll probably eventually switch go PC... depends on what coolness they come out for it.
Expansions - Expansions were done the same way. You'd buy an update, install the software on the PS2, and input a code to register your account for the expansion.
Add-ons will be availble for the PC I'm sure. But none of them are 'legal'. Just... sort of tolerated, because everybody uses them (and they can't really trace them). IMO, if the data is in my memory, that's my data and I can do with it as I please. if you don't want me seeing other people's TP, then don't put it on my machine!
There has never, to my knoledge, been a Add-on for PS2 released. Ever.
You don't "need" any add-ons. It's not WOW. Is it easier to see other's TP, or be able to make macros that switch out all your gear every time you perform any action? of course it is. But the PS2 macros worked fine for that, just a bit harder.
I'd say one thing as a bottom line about add-ons. The game is meant to be played without them. The PS2/PS3 versions of a game just enforce that. You can easily play the game without them.
Could I go back and play FFXI without windower and all it's uber glory? I don't think I'd want to.
Am I going to play FFXIV on PS3 or PC? Probably PS3, just because I doubt my laptop will be able to handle it and I don't have the money for a new one, and I only use my PS3 right now for watching Hulu & stuff, so I might as well have it do something more productive. But I'll probably eventually switch go PC... depends on what coolness they come out for it.
well i know it will take some times to get used to controlling your character with a Stick
but dont you guys who played FFXI in PS2 used Mouse and Keyboard?
because im sure it will be a whole lot more easier? well i dont really know because i only played FFXI for 2 weeks before eventually going to WoW
but from what i heard, you can use Keyboard and Mouse as your preferable movements on PS2
about the Add-ons, yeah i know that SE does not encourage ppl to use Add-ons and as we see on the game demo on E3, the UI looks simple enough that it shouldn't be hard to control using a stick ( which i hope so )
and about the Macros, if SE allows the customization of macros on PS2, then im sure they will be doing it again for FFXIV on PS3 and maybe even more options enhanced into it
my question is now tho, i heard that Consoles tends to have a better connection over PC using the same connection, due to the fact that PS3's network adapter is streamlined strictly for doing just that, whereas a PC is not as streamline
*i know it will depend on your connection anyway, but is it really true? that playing FFXI on PS2 have a better connection over PC?
because i heard some said so
So What Now?
Ya, I know plenty of people that played it with a Mouse & Keyboard. I just always preferred the controller. As far as keyboard & mouse on PS2, I never tried it. I had a keyboard of course, but still used my controller.
Lets put it like this. If you want to play with keyboard & mouse, it works fine. But unlike 99% of the games out there today, it isn't just controller friendly, it's designed to be played with a controller (or keyboard & mouse).
Macros on PS2 are very simplistic... example time.
PS2:
ma "Slow" <stnpc>
wait 3
ma "Paralyze" <lastst>
wait 3
ma "Blind" <lastst>
That's all you got. 5 lines.
Now with my PC, I can use a script for windower that does a bit more... It makes it so any time an ice spell is cast, it equips my ice gear (fire/fire, water/water, etc etc), and every time I cast an enfeebling spell it equips my enfeebling gear, (elemental, dark, etc), and every time I rest, it equips my resting gear. All automatically.
Now if I cast an enfeebling that's ice based. It equips my ice gear, and my enfeebling gear. I can modify it very simply so that it uses my +enfeebling staff instead of my ice staff with +ice damage because the +enfeebling is more important with that type of spell than the Int and damage is.
Can I do that with the normal macros? Sort of. You can see on that first video of myself, the first two macros I do are to put my gear back on. It took 2 macros to put back on all my gear. And it did switch to my fire staff when I did Firaga III, and ice staff for Freeze, etc. But it didn't switch out all my gear to be ideal for every spell cast.
And that's just gear changes. There's a bunch of little things like that. Being able to see your XP/Hr is extremely important in FFXI. As well as things like the distance to target, your party's TP, on-screen ability timers, and status timers, prevent gear-switching from blinking characters (a big problem in BCNMs sometimes)... as well as more fun stuff like being able to change your appearance to anything you want on your end, or make the system render the entire zone and not just the 100 yards around you. I even had a plugin that would pull up info on mobs from the web when I selected them; elemental weaknesses, aggro/link, drops, etc... All the cool stuff like that I would miss a lot of that if I didn't have it.
Now if SE were smart, they'd include a lot of that in FFXIV, but if they're not I'm sure the windower people will fix it again for PC. But PS3 users will be out of luck for all that stuff.
One Network card is very much the same as any other network card. I've never had an instance where the network was my bottleneck for my PC where it wasn't for my PS2.
HOWEVER. One thing that is pretty clear. The PS2 version of FFXI was run in a MUCH lower resolution, with much lower graphics than it's PC equivalant. So I have had instances where the PC version was a lot more laggy due to my own video rendering and CPU in general, where the PS2 seemed to stay very slick the whole time.
PS3 will probably be much faster than PC if they make it right. Since it does have a lot more processing power than is typically used in games. But if they don't code it specifically for PS3 (and their time-tables seem to point to them not), then it won't take advantage of that and be just as slow or fast as any other PC.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmHY_VnuDdE
You can take XBox 360 in this review to mean any typical PC.
ya thanks, i kinda get the idea now although i still dont understand that script thing @_@
ill check on that vid later and get back to you, the IT guy in my Studio seemed to lock youtube -_-
and what's a windower anyway?
is it a term for a FFXI running in a windowed mode because if you alt tab it logs you out?
So What Now?
When FFXI was first released on PC, it couldn't run in windowed mode... and if you flipped back to your desktop, FFXI would close. The idea being it gave you, a PC user, an advantage over a PS2 user since they couldn't look things up.
So somebody came out with an app that would trick FFXI into a windowed mode, then came out with a bunch of plugins for it to give you different things. Viewing your XP/Hr, other's TP meters, and other things in your memlocs that you couldn't normally retrieve through just the game systems (sort of like the hate meter in WOW - but the hate meter for FFXI isn't in memlocs, thank god, still requires a bit of skill to play instead of mindlessly staring at a bar).
SE finially got it into their heads and made the game able to run from a windowed mode, but many people still use the windower because of all the nifty apps it can run.
And yes, most companies do and should block most browsing. If your IT guys are worth their salt, they'd block MMORPG.com when they see it's getting traffic.
lol seems like only streaming websites are being restricted
anyhow, thanks for the time man, should i have any question regarding the differences of PC and Console for FF ill post again
cheers
So What Now?
They said PS3 and PC will be having different graphics for textures and such so PS3 won't hold the PC back, so PC will have the better graphics as the game is updated, or maybe even from the start.
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PS3 for me, just picked one up. WAY cheaper than the PC upgrade would be + Blu Ray Player + access to PS3 only games.
Would I like to have my PC run it for speculated better graphics, sure. But this was cheaper and made alot more sense + I can play on my 52 inch LCD.
As far as add-ons, not many of them are really that great. Windower was cool but I have a laptop I'll use to look things up.
Also, if you have both a desktop PC and PS3, you can connect the PS3 to your computer monitor (with the proper cables), and hook up a USB mouse and keyboard to your PS3. This will potentially be a whole lot less expensive than a PC upgrade, unless you already have a powerful computer.
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Until the system reqs are released I'm not sure. I'd rather get it for the PC but not sure if it will run well. I run LOTRO pretty good and AoC ran decent, but from the screens of FFXIV I've seen, the graphics look prettyu uber.
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PC all the way.
Gives me a legitimate excuse to upgrade my PC
There is 2 things to consider:
Economy. PS3 is cheap, if you are poor you should probably go for the PS3 instead. The last 2 Playstation lasted for a long time, PS2 is still selling so buying it is a better long term investment, and a good PC costs a bit.
What do you prefer? Do you prefer console or PC gaming? All people are different and we like different things. Take also a look on the exclusive games for PC and PS3, what do you prefer there? Do you like mouse or Ps controller?
It is really that simple. The PC will most likely have better graphics and more bugs, it is easier to fix bugs when everyone is using the exact same hardware instead of an almost infinite combinations of components from different manufacturers. The GFX card of the PS3 is older, the memory of the PS3 and processor however works faster since it doesn't have the bottleneck.
PC or PS3 will likely work well for FFXIV, in FFXI the PC was a bit faster with the macro's because you're hitting something like ctrl + 1 instead of Left trigger + DPad right right right + Button to activate but both versions worked fine. It also depends on what you are setup for.
Me personally I am using a Wolfking Timberwolf keyboard. It has a round game pad on the left hand side which is very excellent for online gaming. Number keys are so close that I am faster in response than many.
On the left hand side of my Wolfking Timberwolf I have a G13. Excellent Macro pad.
And last but not least my mouse. I use a razer Naga which is a 17 button MMO gaming mouse. High DPI + it has 17 buttons. It's not complicated or hard to use in the slightest though. Theres a 12 button thumb pad that either mimics you 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,0,-,= keys or it will mimic your number pad keys. Theres a toggle on the bottom where you set it. I have it set to numb pad keys as this allows me use of 123 keys on my left hand and numb pad keys with my right hand.
In the end I feel silly playing anything on the 360 or PS3 when I have a rig as powerful as mine with the peripherals I have.
If you can shall out the bucks PC is just the way to go. If your on a tight budget console.
wow I have never seen that mouse, I might have to upgrade my old razor, However that is serious overkill, The game will play just fine with a simple ps3 controller.
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While maybe at the time of the release of the original PS3 if this game came out I would probably go with the PS3 but not now. I own a PS3 a 360 and as a hobby I pretty much keep my pc at top gaming condition. I am retired and disabled so nothing better to do then build computers . My PC has the latest tech and I can say this confortably it blows away anything I have seen on the 360 and PS3. I usually buy the cross platform games for the pc after I rent them for the consoles and try them out alittle. I would say about the time the new I7's and amd's came out along with the new ati 5800 series is when alot of the games left the consoles in the dust again. But really all this is kinda a taste issue. The main thing you should ask is where are your friends going to play? If they get the PS3 version most likely that is what you should get. If they get PC ditto. I have a feeling just because of the vast differences in performance abiltiy to use addons and the like they are going to keep the console and PC versions on different servers. I never played the first one so I do not know how they handled hat. But even if they allowed it there I have a sneeking feeling that will not fly in this version.
They will cross level the ps3 and PC players onto same servers. The ps3's video card is that of a mid-high series nvidia gfx card. but in terms of PC and ps3 being able to handle different loads, the games fundementals would be designed to work on both properly and equally with of course the PC player with a beefy set-up have the visual advantage
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High powered PCs are quite cheap to build now days, and you can do a lot more with them (including Bluray/etc).
Having both a PS3 and PC, I'd probably go PC styles. MMORPGs are all about living in a game, which is best suited via PC.
Either way, those keyboards and mouse posted above are serious overkill. You look at the pros (both to make the ground even between players and because special keyboards are pretty much useless anyway), they never use anything beyond the basics. Good/decent mouse (e.g. MX518) and any plain old keyboard (not wireless and not an overly bad one) are the best.
I too have been weighing either upgrading my PC, which I used for FFXI, or using my PS3 for FFXIV. This may be a silly question, but to those who played FFXI on PS2 using a controller, how did you communicate with the other players? Didn't you have to have a keyboard for that?
You cant go wrong with the PC, which can also use PS3 controllers. If the game is long term, then having a PC is best due to the fact you can upgrade the PC's graphical capabilities as times goes on to have a better looking game, not so with the PS3. The only perk to the PS3 is HOME and how it might potentially play into the game. That said... console mmorpgs havent really shown that they are very successful yet, so its best to wait until they show themselves to be otherwise you might find yourself regretting it.
FFXI was created very well for the console. I owned the PC version and the PS version, and preffered playing on PlayStation. I have total faith in SE's ability to create a rock solid console MMO. I'll be playing on PS3
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PS3 is ultimately cheaper.. so it's my preferred choice right now. If you have extra cash lying around, PC would be your best bet though.
id go with the PC version if the controls are not assy like FFXI's controls was.
If they are. id get it for my ps3.
High powered PCs are quite cheap to build now days, and you can do a lot more with them (including Bluray/etc).
Having both a PS3 and PC, I'd probably go PC styles. MMORPGs are all about living in a game, which is best suited via PC.
Either way, those keyboards and mouse posted above are serious overkill. You look at the pros (both to make the ground even between players and because special keyboards are pretty much useless anyway), they never use anything beyond the basics. Good/decent mouse (e.g. MX518) and any plain old keyboard (not wireless and not an overly bad one) are the best.
I'm not seeing being able to build a PC capable of running FFXIV for less than or equal to $299 (or cheaper if by release there is another price drop). Plus there are tons of titles that are PS3 only that I'm looking forward to. Gimme a wireless controller, wireless keyboard, 50+ inch LCD + 1000 watt surround sound, and a nice comfy couch any day.