Far too many conclusions being drawn from the preview. Too many of you seem to forget about the Story element of a game, and the RPG aspect. Its good to see Bioware didn't forget about that very important aspect. As well, theres a bit too much complaining going on about "lack of grouping." when i bet 3/4ths of you Solo'ed 1 to Max in your favorite MMO. As well, you probably didn't Read a lick of quest text except Go Kill X number of Y creatures and come back. As well, featured in just about Every Bioware game out there, you can press the Escape key to ignore/fast forward dialogue, and I'm sure they'll add an option to ignore/block your character's voice if it bugs you that much. Will there be grouping? Yes Will there be "traditional MMO content"? Unfortunately Yes Will there be a story? For the first time, YES! And from the forums, it also appears there will be most likely minigames implemented. Quasar, Cards, etc.. in cantinas. I really don't understand why people complain about "instanced content" then turn around and complain because they have to farm 20 leathers from some stupid bear where 30 others are Farming the same leathers for the same quest on a 15% drop rate. Good show.
Stopped reading the thread here. Too many people are drawing conclusions way too early; gee, where have we seen that before....everywhere? Like he said, almost everyone solo's MMOs anyways, well the newer or easier ones at least. How many times did you group on your quest to reach Northend from your humble beginnings in Elwynn? Maybe about 10?
What it sound like to me is it will be 8 single player RPGS put together with side quests potentially as good and as numerous as any current MMO.
So for me who was wishing they would just do a good Kotor 3, IF the 8 class story archs are each as good and as big as a regular single player RPG I will be delighted. If the tacked on MMO portion of the game is integrated with the story arcs in a smooth way it will be fantastic.
For Kotor Star Wars fans I see WIN WIN ,for sand box whiners, go play something else, likely nothehing will ever satisfy you we all no this game wont.
Move on please.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
The game that does it all for you! It puts you in a pigeonhole class so you don't have to design your own character. It holds your hand through a linear story arc (or multiple arcs), provides you with a henchman to help you fight so you don't have to group, talks for you; saying things you wouldn't say, effectively trashing immersion. Right On! The only thing missing is an Autopilot button.
I don't know about the rest of you, but the more I hear about this game, the less appealing it is. I mean really, they are stuffing you through a linear game world, with limited classes (We needed two jedi and two sith classes?? Really??). They are making all your choices for you, and all you really have to do is sit back for the ride. As others have mentioned here, after you have burned through their story arc, what will you do? Reroll it seems. You don't have an open world to explore or forge your own story with your friends. All you can do is re-roll and try a different story arc. Wow. What a thrill.
As a side note, I am hearing chatter about the Smuggler being a healer? Say what? How did they come up with that garbage? Oh yeah, it's because they only have a few classes, and they have to fill the roles of the normal arch classes no matter how ridiculous the idea is. I can't wait to hear some of the fanboys justify a smuggler being a healer when it goes against their very nature to care about anyone but themselves.
Let's face it. We've all played this game before, only this quest theme park has even less freedom than the previous generation. The dumbing down continues.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
What it sound like to me is it will be 8 single player RPGS put together with side quests potentially as good and as numerous as any current MMO. So for me who was wishing they would just do a good Kotor 3, IF the 8 class story archs are each as good and as big as a regular single player RPG I will be delighted. If the tacked on MMO portion of the game is integrated with the story arcs in a smooth way it will be fantastic. For Kotor Star Wars fans I see WIN WIN ,for sand box whiners, go play something else, likely nothehing will ever satisfy you we all no this game wont. Move on please.
I see. So as long as everyone subscribes to your idea of what this game should be, it's ok if we stick around to agree with you? Awesome.
I have no problem with this game. I just think it's on the wrong website and categorized in the wrong genre.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
the best part is, the people that come to these forums and actually post complaints and praise for this game are not even going to be1% of the people playing this game.
Has anyone heard whether or not droids are going to be an option for NPC companions?
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I haven't heard anything...but given that Bioware is not made up of idiots, it seems pretty obvious that this will be an option imho.
Pretty right with the movies too. Artoo was Luke's companion in this sort of a system. I guess Threepio was Leia's and Chewbacca (not a droid) was Han's. Of course, in the game the droids will probably have more combat capability than in the movies.
They said one of the classes has a unique droid companion. They never told us which class, they just hinted at it saying it was shown in a older video, the class was pointing to his droid.
Hmm, I wonder if he was actually talking about the cinematic trailer, where the Jedi Knight has a utility droid that warns him with a beep. Seems to be his companion.
I also remember reading somewhere that the Sith Warrior will indeed have a Twi'lek Smuggler companion as the one in the trailer does... So maybe the Jedi Knight actually does have a droid as one of his companions...
What it sound like to me is it will be 8 single player RPGS put together with side quests potentially as good and as numerous as any current MMO. So for me who was wishing they would just do a good Kotor 3, IF the 8 class story archs are each as good and as big as a regular single player RPG I will be delighted. If the tacked on MMO portion of the game is integrated with the story arcs in a smooth way it will be fantastic. For Kotor Star Wars fans I see WIN WIN ,for sand box whiners, go play something else, likely nothehing will ever satisfy you we all no this game wont. Move on please.
I see. So as long as everyone subscribes to your idea of what this game should be, it's ok if we stick around to agree with you? Awesome.
I have no problem with this game. I just think it's on the wrong website and categorized in the wrong genre.
Like i said all i want from Bio Ware is a good KOTOR game.
As for weather it should be on this site I recall that the site mangers said they will put any game on this site that the developer claims is an MMO. So until this game is proven not to be an MMO it has as much right to be on this site as any other game in devlopment.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
What it sound like to me is it will be 8 single player RPGS put together with side quests potentially as good and as numerous as any current MMO. So for me who was wishing they would just do a good Kotor 3, IF the 8 class story archs are each as good and as big as a regular single player RPG I will be delighted. If the tacked on MMO portion of the game is integrated with the story arcs in a smooth way it will be fantastic. For Kotor Star Wars fans I see WIN WIN ,for sand box whiners, go play something else, likely nothehing will ever satisfy you we all no this game wont. Move on please.
I see. So as long as everyone subscribes to your idea of what this game should be, it's ok if we stick around to agree with you? Awesome.
I have no problem with this game. I just think it's on the wrong website and categorized in the wrong genre.
Like i said all i want from Bio Ware is a good KOTOR game.
As for weather it should be on this site I recall that the site mangers said they will put any game on this site that the developer claims is an MMO. So until this game is proven not to be an MMO it has as much right to be on this site as any other game in devlopment.
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
"...deliver that authentic Star Wars experience first" I think that is one of the great division amongst potential players. People who want to play in the Star Wars universe, and people who want to play in a Star Wars movie, eh? Its not a question of right or wrong, but of preference. That being said, my preference is to be in the universe, not the movie and a lot of what has been presented so far has been discouraging. The idea of MY char (in an MMO especially where its supposed to be MY char, not merely the sole protagonist in a standalone rpg that I happen to be in control of) is voice acted seems off-putting, with how I approach MMO's. Still we'll see. Hope there is a free trial after this game launches.
I agree with you. Of all the discouraging things I have heard so far, this is the worst. I choose to experience my game characters as extensions of myself. Having my character say things that I would never say myself would blow me out of immersion every single time.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
If it's not meant to be here, then WHY list is as a MMO you're currently playing. Should I make a list saying "Currently playing:Q3Arena"?
You can't put forth any proof in showing it's not a MMO. I won't comment on GW2 because I don't have the necessary information to judge it. SoE has no damn clue what Star Wars is, if you was a true fan you would drop your sub and let the game die. Or is that the problem? You scared it will in fact die when the next best thing (related to the IP) rolls into town?
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
Hand holding, are you ready?
BioWare claims ToR is a MMO, you doubt it
GW2 is claimed to be a MMO, you believe even after playing GW1, what they ONCE called a MMO.
This makes you look like you just dislike BioWare.
In the end people will play what they like, so your opinion does not matter
We don't have control of the information of this site.
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
Hand holding, are you ready?
BioWare claims ToR is a MMO, you doubt it
GW2 is claimed to be a MMO, you believe even after playing GW1, what they ONCE called a MMO.
This makes you look like you just dislike BioWare.
In the end people will play what they like, so your opinion does not matter
We don't have control of the information of this site.
Thanks for translating me as I get more incoherent as I blather on.
Off to go Christmass shopping with the GF have fun guys.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
Hand holding, are you ready?
BioWare claims ToR is a MMO, you doubt it
GW2 is claimed to be a MMO, you believe even after playing GW1, what they ONCE called a MMO.
This makes you look like you just dislike BioWare.
In the end people will play what they like, so your opinion does not matter
We don't have control of the information of this site.
(Hint: I was actually referring to his sentence structure and punctuation. It was making my eyes bleed.)
You are way behind the curve, bud. I already stated that this was my opinion, and it's painfully obvious that MMORPG can post whatever game they want here. You are welcome to assume the role of 'Captain O' if you like, though.
As for GW2, it has been stated that the game has a true persistent, open game world, unlike GW1. This is one of the main features of GW2. This is fact, not opinion. You may want to go read up on the game before you try to use it to make your points.
I have nothing whatsoever against Bioware, or Star Wars. Assuming you know things about people you have only experienced through a few posts on a message board is an odd way to go through life. Good luck with that. I also enjoyed how you continuously give me your opinion, while telling me that opinions don't matter here. Interesting.
I'm sorry if I have offended your Holy Grail game. I hope it all works out for you in the end, my friend.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
(Hint: I was actually referring to his sentence structure and punctuation. It was making my eyes bleed.) It happens. It was far from illegible though. You are way behind the curve, bud. I already stated that this was my opinion, and it's painfully obvious that MMORPG can post whatever game they want here. You are welcome to assume the role of 'Captain O' if you like, though. Are you referring to the translation or something I said? My most obvious point was it's always best to wait for more information, which is exactly why I did not comment on GW2. As for GW2, it has been stated that the game has a true persistent, open game world, unlike GW1. This is one of the main features of GW2. This is fact, not opinion. You may want to go read up on the game before you try to use it to make your points. If all I have to do is read up on a game to know everything, then maybe you should read up on ToR. They have said the world will be open, you will see players in most areas you visit. I say most because of Flashpoints, which will be closed off for you and your party. I have nothing whatsoever against Bioware, or Star Wars. Assuming you know things about people you have only experienced through a few posts on a message board is an odd way to go through life. Good luck with that. I also enjoyed how you continuously give me your opinion, while telling me that opinions don't matter here. Interesting. Ok, dude, now you're confusing me. Are you telling me this or him? I reworded what he said for your understanding. I never said any of that. I'm sorry if I have offended your Holy Grail game. I hope it all works out for you in the end, my friend. Holy Grail? Not really. You could call it "A New Hope". I'm not offended that you actually have problems with the game. You wanna know what kinda annoys me? People stating opinion as fact.
(Hint: I was actually referring to his sentence structure and punctuation. It was making my eyes bleed.) It happens. It was far from illegible though. That depends on your idea of illegible.
You are way behind the curve, bud. I already stated that this was my opinion, and it's painfully obvious that MMORPG can post whatever game they want here. You are welcome to assume the role of 'Captain O' if you like, though. Are you referring to the translation or something I said? My most obvious point was it's always best to wait for more information, which is exactly why I did not comment on GW2. If you have been around these games as long as I have, you know that what these companies choose NOT to talk about, is as important as what they do talk about. I am very confident of the model of this game I have built in my head based on what we know so far. It won't be completely accurate, obviously, but it will be damn close. I would love to be wrong, trust me. In fact, I hope I am because I would love a new Star Wars MMORPG to play.
As for GW2, it has been stated that the game has a true persistent, open game world, unlike GW1. This is one of the main features of GW2. This is fact, not opinion. You may want to go read up on the game before you try to use it to make your points. If all I have to do is read up on a game to know everything, then maybe you should read up on ToR. They have said the world will be open, you will see players in most areas you visit. I say most because of Flashpoints, which will be closed off for you and your party. Again, they have spoken volumes with the information that has already been released and what they are not discussing. This is shaping up to be the most solo-friendly theme park ever released. I don't know what your experience is in games like this, but mine is that if the game offers a clear path for the solo player, almost everyone will solo and the game will be anti-social except in a few areas. People will be too busy going on about their quest lines to care much about anything else.
I have nothing whatsoever against Bioware, or Star Wars. Assuming you know things about people you have only experienced through a few posts on a message board is an odd way to go through life. Good luck with that. I also enjoyed how you continuously give me your opinion, while telling me that opinions don't matter here. Interesting. Ok, dude, now you're confusing me. Are you telling me this or him? I reworded what he said for your understanding. I never said any of that. When I first replied to this, I though it was the same smug poster doing the hand-holding. (as if I really needed it) So most of the original reply was for him, not you.
I'm sorry if I have offended your Holy Grail game. I hope it all works out for you in the end, my friend. Holy Grail? Not really. You could call it "A New Hope". I'm not offended that you actually have problems with the game. You wanna know what kinda annoys me? People stating opinion as fact. I'll let you know when something I say is a fact, then you will be free to go verify it. It would be wise to assume most of what people say on internet message boards and social networking sites is opinion. It will save you a whole lot of arguing. Having said all that, I meant no ill will in my posts. I'm just disappointed that this game is taking yet another giant step away from the open world MMO model, and more toward a pure theme park experience. I don't need a pure sandbox, but something more in the middle would be nice. How do you role play when the game is doing it all for you? By 'Role Play' I mean the whole range, which includes actual role playing your character, or just being immersed in the game as an extension of yourself.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
If you have been around these games as long as I have, you know that what these companies choose NOT to talk about, is as important as what they do talk about. I am very confident of the model of this game I have built in my head based on what we know so far. It won't be completely accurate, obviously, but it will be damn close. I would love to be wrong, trust me. In fact, I hope I am because I would love a new Star Wars MMORPG to play. So you're right because you have spent quite a bit of time around MMOs? Really? Well that's what I'm getting from all this. IT MUST BE A CONSPIRACY! Or is BioWare not releasing information until they are certain that it's the route they want to take? In the latest Interview when asked on a release date James said they don't release this type of information because they want the game to be extremely polished for the viewers.
Again, they have spoken volumes with the information that has already been released and what they are not discussing. This is shaping up to be the most solo-friendly theme park ever released. I don't know what your experience is in games like this, but mine is that if the game offers a clear path for the solo player, almost everyone will solo and the game will be anti-social except in a few areas. People will be too busy going on about their quest lines to care much about anything else. "The players story is the solo experience, everything after that is a group experience" I'm not sure what to make of it, we would need an idea as to how far player story goes. I'm fine with a solo friendly experience, I'll still group with friends when possible. So it's not a big deal to me.
I'll let you know when something I say is a fact, then you will be free to go verify it. "Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game." Maybe the cat was on your keyboard while you was away? /shrug It would be wise to assume most of what people say on internet message boards and social networking sites is opinion. It will save you a whole lot of arguing. Or people could stop trolling forums. Would probably be more effective. Having said all that, I meant no ill will in my posts. I'm just disappointed that this game is taking yet another giant step away from the open world MMO model, and more toward a pure theme park experience. I don't need a pure sandbox, but something more in the middle would be nice. How do you role play when the game is doing it all for you? I like Theme Park MMOs, I could like Sanbox if they were not ran by complete morons. By 'Role Play' I mean the whole range, which includes actual role playing your character, or just being immersed in the game as an extension of yourself. I think this game will immerse me because it seems so alive. It seems to have a meaning more then kill that big bear, here has some moneyz for walking two feet to deliver this package, etc. This is a game for those wanting a deep Star Wars experience, one planned for you while you make choices. It sounds like you want SWG2 or something like it. I could be wrong though. As far as actually role playing with the community, I don't do that.
Hurm, with so little real information, difficult to make a judgement it is.
I say it is still way too early, but this doomsaying is really misplaced at this time. And in the end, if story telling and not-so-sandbox is not you type, thats ok, but you really should move on.
I am all for critique, but at this time already? Give me a break!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I'll make everyone happy and cut down to the chase of the quarrel.
In WoW and the other followers(from LOTRO to Fallen Earth) you just skid quest thru quest carelessly, just worried about the items you get and that you may gain a new level as showed on the never-missing level-bar below the quickmoves bar, with its brave 10 notches filling up giddily. Nobody really cares about the story and the talks, until proven differently, people wanna farm their 50 or 60 dings, like they KEEP doing and loving in every MMO. I reckon they'd rather play the same thing and feel good about its familiarty, instead of being in a different and new world and feel dumb because they do not know what to do.
So...
How do voice-overs, cutscenes and Choices&Consequences save us from a possible WoW with dildo-like lightsabers? how does STORY change this addictive leash of greed and non-caring that in a way lures the player to be an animal with no feelings? How does story become the main actor in our mind and gives us back socialization?
Hello, little merry people. I'll make everyone happy and cut down to the chase of the quarrel. In WoW and the other followers(from LOTRO to Fallen Earth) you just skid quest thru quest carelessly, just worried about the items you get and that you may gain a new level as showed on the never-missing level-bar below the quickmoves bar, with its brave 10 notches filling up giddily. Nobody really cares about the story and the talks, until proven differently, people wanna farm their 50 or 60 dings, like they KEEP doing and loving in every MMO. I reckon they'd rather play the same thing and feel good about its familiarty, instead of being in a different and new world and feel dumb because they do not know what to do. So... How do voice-overs, cutscenes and Choices&Consequences save us from a possible WoW with dildo-like lightsabers? how does STORY change this addictive leash of greed and non-caring that in a way lures the player to be an animal with no feelings? How does story become the main actor in our mind and gives us back socialization?
Edited to be "mod friendly".
It will be what you make of it. Stop joining bad guilds that only focus on progression and not the game as a whole. It's very simple, stop being lazy.
And the house of cards come crashing down with the realization that TOR will be a SINGLE PLAYER game that you pay $15 a month to play.
I've got to tip my hat to Bioware, this is a great scam. Get all the KOTOR fans and Star Wars fan nuts to buy your game and charge them a monthly fee for what will essentially be KOTOR 3.
Bravo. I'm not falling for it, but enough people are that it's sure to make a mint. As a capitalist, I'm highly supportive of taking advantage of the stupidity of the common masses.
And the house of cards come crashing down with the realization that TOR will be a SINGLE PLAYER game that you pay $15 a month to play. I've got to tip my hat to Bioware, this is a great scam. Get all the KOTOR fans and Star Wars fan nuts to buy your game and charge them a monthly fee for what will essentially be KOTOR 3. Bravo. I'm not falling for it, but enough people are that it's sure to make a mint. As a capitalist, I'm highly supportive of taking advantage of the stupidity of the common masses.
Does it ever end? Really? Are we still doing this?
Alright as usual I'll bite, how is this a single player game? What qualities does this game have that make it into a single player game? And single player as opposed to what, give me something to compare this game which is 'single player' to a massive multiplayer game.
Then after you do that, please tell me once again how is the fact that Bioware has said there will be cities, and non instanced pvp zones like Ord Martell fits in with your idea of this non massive game. Or That there will be raids.
You know what I'll save you the trouble.
The game is partially instanced? Oh boy that's totally new and outrageous right? My god how dare they make sure I enjoy some dramatic tension without people going lolololol i ned gold plx. The game is not fully instanced, just certain events, and people can group for those quests. I guess grouping isn't multiplayer because that is not a real person on the other end you're grouping with its a secret android to make you think its a real person yeah that must be it.
The game has story? So wait....how is giving the universe you play in meaning, where npc's don't just stand there and say the same text over and over? How is making me love my environment, because I can really get into the depth of the world by giving me choices/consequences as opposed to just do this without a reason why. Yeah you know that is fun, doing crazy quests because someone told me to, story gives me a real reason.
I feel like you people don't read interviews or reviews and just take short quotes and use them out of context to support your views which have no real backing. Like I said go on, provide me some proof give me a full link to a real article saying that there will be no grouping, no raiding, no interacting in a city, or no pvp in a non instanced zone. Go on give me some article from a reliable source, come on if you guys all think your opinions are infallible that you have to yell them enough to warn us of the horrid of its single player gameness, then go on show me an article. I mean if you believe in your claims that much, you should have some sort of backing to it no?
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Stopped reading the thread here. Too many people are drawing conclusions way too early; gee, where have we seen that before....everywhere? Like he said, almost everyone solo's MMOs anyways, well the newer or easier ones at least. How many times did you group on your quest to reach Northend from your humble beginnings in Elwynn? Maybe about 10?
What it sound like to me is it will be 8 single player RPGS put together with side quests potentially as good and as numerous as any current MMO.
So for me who was wishing they would just do a good Kotor 3, IF the 8 class story archs are each as good and as big as a regular single player RPG I will be delighted. If the tacked on MMO portion of the game is integrated with the story arcs in a smooth way it will be fantastic.
For Kotor Star Wars fans I see WIN WIN ,for sand box whiners, go play something else, likely nothehing will ever satisfy you we all no this game wont.
Move on please.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
The game that does it all for you! It puts you in a pigeonhole class so you don't have to design your own character. It holds your hand through a linear story arc (or multiple arcs), provides you with a henchman to help you fight so you don't have to group, talks for you; saying things you wouldn't say, effectively trashing immersion. Right On! The only thing missing is an Autopilot button.
I don't know about the rest of you, but the more I hear about this game, the less appealing it is. I mean really, they are stuffing you through a linear game world, with limited classes (We needed two jedi and two sith classes?? Really??). They are making all your choices for you, and all you really have to do is sit back for the ride. As others have mentioned here, after you have burned through their story arc, what will you do? Reroll it seems. You don't have an open world to explore or forge your own story with your friends. All you can do is re-roll and try a different story arc. Wow. What a thrill.
As a side note, I am hearing chatter about the Smuggler being a healer? Say what? How did they come up with that garbage? Oh yeah, it's because they only have a few classes, and they have to fill the roles of the normal arch classes no matter how ridiculous the idea is. I can't wait to hear some of the fanboys justify a smuggler being a healer when it goes against their very nature to care about anyone but themselves.
Let's face it. We've all played this game before, only this quest theme park has even less freedom than the previous generation. The dumbing down continues.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I see. So as long as everyone subscribes to your idea of what this game should be, it's ok if we stick around to agree with you? Awesome.
I have no problem with this game. I just think it's on the wrong website and categorized in the wrong genre.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
the best part is, the people that come to these forums and actually post complaints and praise for this game are not even going to be1% of the people playing this game.
I haven't heard anything...but given that Bioware is not made up of idiots, it seems pretty obvious that this will be an option imho.
Pretty right with the movies too. Artoo was Luke's companion in this sort of a system. I guess Threepio was Leia's and Chewbacca (not a droid) was Han's. Of course, in the game the droids will probably have more combat capability than in the movies.
They said one of the classes has a unique droid companion. They never told us which class, they just hinted at it saying it was shown in a older video, the class was pointing to his droid.
Hmm, I wonder if he was actually talking about the cinematic trailer, where the Jedi Knight has a utility droid that warns him with a beep. Seems to be his companion.
I also remember reading somewhere that the Sith Warrior will indeed have a Twi'lek Smuggler companion as the one in the trailer does... So maybe the Jedi Knight actually does have a droid as one of his companions...
I see. So as long as everyone subscribes to your idea of what this game should be, it's ok if we stick around to agree with you? Awesome.
I have no problem with this game. I just think it's on the wrong website and categorized in the wrong genre.
Like i said all i want from Bio Ware is a good KOTOR game.
As for weather it should be on this site I recall that the site mangers said they will put any game on this site that the developer claims is an MMO. So until this game is proven not to be an MMO it has as much right to be on this site as any other game in devlopment.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
I see. So as long as everyone subscribes to your idea of what this game should be, it's ok if we stick around to agree with you? Awesome.
I have no problem with this game. I just think it's on the wrong website and categorized in the wrong genre.
Like i said all i want from Bio Ware is a good KOTOR game.
As for weather it should be on this site I recall that the site mangers said they will put any game on this site that the developer claims is an MMO. So until this game is proven not to be an MMO it has as much right to be on this site as any other game in devlopment.
Then don't be surprised when players who want actual MMORPG's get on here and bash this dumbed down, linear single player RPG game.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
I agree with you. Of all the discouraging things I have heard so far, this is the worst. I choose to experience my game characters as extensions of myself. Having my character say things that I would never say myself would blow me out of immersion every single time.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
If it's not meant to be here, then WHY list is as a MMO you're currently playing. Should I make a list saying "Currently playing:Q3Arena"?
You can't put forth any proof in showing it's not a MMO. I won't comment on GW2 because I don't have the necessary information to judge it. SoE has no damn clue what Star Wars is, if you was a true fan you would drop your sub and let the game die. Or is that the problem? You scared it will in fact die when the next best thing (related to the IP) rolls into town?
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
Hand holding, are you ready?
BioWare claims ToR is a MMO, you doubt it
GW2 is claimed to be a MMO, you believe even after playing GW1, what they ONCE called a MMO.
This makes you look like you just dislike BioWare.
In the end people will play what they like, so your opinion does not matter
We don't have control of the information of this site.
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
Hand holding, are you ready?
BioWare claims ToR is a MMO, you doubt it
GW2 is claimed to be a MMO, you believe even after playing GW1, what they ONCE called a MMO.
This makes you look like you just dislike BioWare.
In the end people will play what they like, so your opinion does not matter
We don't have control of the information of this site.
Thanks for translating me as I get more incoherent as I blather on.
Off to go Christmass shopping with the GF have fun guys.
Asheron's Call, Champions Online, Dark Age of Camelot, EVE Online, EverQuest, Lineage 2, Star Wars Galaxies and World of Warcraft.Waiting for SWTOR
"P L A Y I N G |guild wars|"
Linear SP RPG much?
I never claimed GW was an MMORPG. It doesn't belong on this website either, IMO. Not my call though, as has been pointed out. I'm playing it now to get my Hall of Monuments filled up for GW2, which will be a true MMORPG, unlike SWTOR. I'm also playing Star Wars Galaxies because I am a Star Wars fan. Maybe in 5 years or so we will get SWTOR2 and it will be a real MMORPG. One can dream...
I havent played GW 2 looking back at GW 1 there is no reason to believe it will be an MMO so lets pull GW2 from the site with GW 1 then.
Even if they claim GW2 will be an MMO we wont know for sure especially looking at past design of GW1.
SEE I'm thinking you have something against BIoware or Starwars.
In the end doesn't really matter what you or I think individually. People will buy and play those games weather they are MMOs or not.
It doesnt matter what you or I believe about weather those games belong on this site. We dont run it add we arent devoloping those games.
so It doesnt matter nough said.
I'm not even really sure what it is you are going on about. You post is really hard to follow.
Hand holding, are you ready?
BioWare claims ToR is a MMO, you doubt it
GW2 is claimed to be a MMO, you believe even after playing GW1, what they ONCE called a MMO.
This makes you look like you just dislike BioWare.
In the end people will play what they like, so your opinion does not matter
We don't have control of the information of this site.
(Hint: I was actually referring to his sentence structure and punctuation. It was making my eyes bleed.)
You are way behind the curve, bud. I already stated that this was my opinion, and it's painfully obvious that MMORPG can post whatever game they want here. You are welcome to assume the role of 'Captain O' if you like, though.
As for GW2, it has been stated that the game has a true persistent, open game world, unlike GW1. This is one of the main features of GW2. This is fact, not opinion. You may want to go read up on the game before you try to use it to make your points.
I have nothing whatsoever against Bioware, or Star Wars. Assuming you know things about people you have only experienced through a few posts on a message board is an odd way to go through life. Good luck with that. I also enjoyed how you continuously give me your opinion, while telling me that opinions don't matter here. Interesting.
I'm sorry if I have offended your Holy Grail game. I hope it all works out for you in the end, my friend.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
A sure sign that you are in an old, dying paradigm/mindset, is when you are scared of new ideas and new technology. Don't feel bad. The world is moving on without you, and you are welcome to yell "Get Off My Lawn!" all you want while it happens. You cannot, however, stop an idea whose time has come.
Hurm, with so little real information, difficult to make a judgement it is.
I say it is still way too early, but this doomsaying is really misplaced at this time. And in the end, if story telling and not-so-sandbox is not you type, thats ok, but you really should move on.
I am all for critique, but at this time already? Give me a break!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Hello, little merry people.
I'll make everyone happy and cut down to the chase of the quarrel.
In WoW and the other followers(from LOTRO to Fallen Earth) you just skid quest thru quest carelessly, just worried about the items you get and that you may gain a new level as showed on the never-missing level-bar below the quickmoves bar, with its brave 10 notches filling up giddily. Nobody really cares about the story and the talks, until proven differently, people wanna farm their 50 or 60 dings, like they KEEP doing and loving in every MMO. I reckon they'd rather play the same thing and feel good about its familiarty, instead of being in a different and new world and feel dumb because they do not know what to do.
So...
How do voice-overs, cutscenes and Choices&Consequences save us from a possible WoW with dildo-like lightsabers? how does STORY change this addictive leash of greed and non-caring that in a way lures the player to be an animal with no feelings? How does story become the main actor in our mind and gives us back socialization?
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Edited to be "mod friendly".
It will be what you make of it. Stop joining bad guilds that only focus on progression and not the game as a whole. It's very simple, stop being lazy.
And the house of cards come crashing down with the realization that TOR will be a SINGLE PLAYER game that you pay $15 a month to play.
I've got to tip my hat to Bioware, this is a great scam. Get all the KOTOR fans and Star Wars fan nuts to buy your game and charge them a monthly fee for what will essentially be KOTOR 3.
Bravo. I'm not falling for it, but enough people are that it's sure to make a mint. As a capitalist, I'm highly supportive of taking advantage of the stupidity of the common masses.
Does it ever end? Really? Are we still doing this?
Alright as usual I'll bite, how is this a single player game? What qualities does this game have that make it into a single player game? And single player as opposed to what, give me something to compare this game which is 'single player' to a massive multiplayer game.
Then after you do that, please tell me once again how is the fact that Bioware has said there will be cities, and non instanced pvp zones like Ord Martell fits in with your idea of this non massive game. Or That there will be raids.
You know what I'll save you the trouble.
The game is partially instanced? Oh boy that's totally new and outrageous right? My god how dare they make sure I enjoy some dramatic tension without people going lolololol i ned gold plx. The game is not fully instanced, just certain events, and people can group for those quests. I guess grouping isn't multiplayer because that is not a real person on the other end you're grouping with its a secret android to make you think its a real person yeah that must be it.
The game has story? So wait....how is giving the universe you play in meaning, where npc's don't just stand there and say the same text over and over? How is making me love my environment, because I can really get into the depth of the world by giving me choices/consequences as opposed to just do this without a reason why. Yeah you know that is fun, doing crazy quests because someone told me to, story gives me a real reason.
I feel like you people don't read interviews or reviews and just take short quotes and use them out of context to support your views which have no real backing. Like I said go on, provide me some proof give me a full link to a real article saying that there will be no grouping, no raiding, no interacting in a city, or no pvp in a non instanced zone. Go on give me some article from a reliable source, come on if you guys all think your opinions are infallible that you have to yell them enough to warn us of the horrid of its single player gameness, then go on show me an article. I mean if you believe in your claims that much, you should have some sort of backing to it no?