Everyone I know in EvE has multiples. I'd agree with the OP, no there is never 300K people in EvE or even active subs and there never will be. Maybe 25% of that. It's neither here or there. I agree with several other posters. Most people are high sec casuals with 1 account. They make up the bread and butter of CCP and most of them dont want to be in systems with 30 - 50+ people because the systems dont support that much activity. So not having more than the 30K Average on EvE at any given time suits the game quite well.
Because it's you saying this I looked outside and checked.
It's pretty grey.
It's always grey on patch day : (
There is a sky out there??? Why wasn't it in the patch notes? MAN I hate stealth patches!
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
I just want to clear a few things up around here about the myth that keeps on showing up in these forums. The fact is there is no where near 300k players. These are accounts, and personally many of these accounts are owned by people who multibox. I myself have 3 accounts, my close friends that I play with all have atleast 1 extra account for either covert ops "eyes", manufacturing, or logistics. This guy alone can describe 90% of eve players, not that everyone has this many accounts but in general this is how things are around EVE. http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1215928
I hate to break it to these guys feeding misinformation but this is the honest to god truth. At no point in time will you ever see the players currently online break 50k. I have seen it at 51k ONE time in my 5 and a half years of playing. Hell I think out of the 100's of people I know maybe 4 have one account, and 2 of them guys closed the second account due to $$ issues.
Does this affect the game itself and make it less fun? Some say yes, but I don't feel it does. If I had to guess i'd say there is maybe 75k players at best. Which is still good. By no means is the game empty and in my opinion it has just the right number of players. Just thought I would clear it up. Cheers
Unfortunately most of what is said in the OP's initial post to my knowledge, is grossly exaggerated and inaccurate. CCP to my knowledge has always stated they have a total of 300,000 subscribers not players. The reason they say 300,000 subscriptions is to compete with WoW's figures probably and to show the measure of success whether with plex's or not (Plex are paid for anyway).
Another thing is it's impossible for the Population to be a maximum total of 75,000 players at best when on average the server's (not peak time even) population is between 30k and 40k accounts online. Although some will be alt accounts, not all of them will be. Other people have a real life they need to keep up with. At best you can say 1/3 of the game's active users would be online all at the same time but thats just a theory which can't be proven and is based off timezones. Different timezones, commitments and real life hinder people from coming online. And by the way, the 1/3 fraction is nothing to do with the 30k - 40k people online.
I don't understand how these figures even if they were true (that the op mentioned) would effect the game's fun factor. Probably trolls mis-informed the OP or something, since no MMO can ever boast about having a larger population on their server than Eve, since Eve has the highest population any MMO could ever dream of having on their server till now. So no it shouldn't make a difference since you will never have a more populated nor could have ever experienced a more populated server as of yet.
I'm actually suprised the OP has played for 5 and a half years and not known these details. Some of the information is just way off the radar. Even newbies know some of these details and how to interpret them.
Hmm wow your clever , adding pictures to your dribble. Maybe if you had read the thread instead of jumping in you may have knew that my point was made. Hence why I havn't posted til now. I don't even have to troll my own thread, people do it for me.
You mean the point that EVE does not have 300k players but 300k subscriptions, which everyone already knew?
Here are the monthly records of this year : jan/09 48065 - feb/09 51675 - mrt/09 53850 - apr/09 51040 - mei/09 52200 - jun/09 51555 - jul/09 46880 ( unholy rage has hit here ) - aug/09 49098 - sep/09 50873, you can also go check my site http://www.mmodata.net/ ( these numbers are provided to me directly by the CCP's CEO Assistant )
And what does PCU have to do with multiple accounts anyway? It is irrelevant imho. It is also only logical not everyone is online at the same time, it is a worldwide server, like someone else said, if everyone plays 4 hours a day ( which is alot ) then we have 50k people online at the same time, so it matches perfectly. Obviously on non peak times we see between 30 and 40k players.
So you only made 1 of your 3 points in the OP, a point we all knew already and is nothing special in the mmo scene.
You just contradicted yourself in that post. Apparently you have been waiting to jump down my throat with your added babble. The official number of less then 20% was made so long ago and by an non existent employee as of current. I could care less about the most people online at once. That has nothing to do with anything. It seems to me you are just trying to be important here. No one cares, the point of this thread was to spark interest in those who was interested in EVE and wanted to know how the population was. As I see from some of the posts the info was appreciated. Move along.
I contradicted myself how? Please explain.
And if you could care less with the PCU, why did you mention it? My point is that it is only logical that you only have seen 51k online once in 5 years. Wether you played since release or 5 years or only 6 months does not matter, the absolute PCU is 53850, reached on march this year. No one is telling any different, but okay, you were correct, you don't see these max PCU's every day.
Look I don't want to jump down anyones throat, but you came here to "clear up some misconceptions" and tell us the "honest to god truth", because others are feeding us with misinformation. But instead you say 90% people have more than 1 account and you "guess" that there are only 75k players, which is the only misinformation going on here.
If you had stayed with what you know and only told us that the 300k subscriptions also include multiple accounts, then everyone would have looked at it and moved along.
As a 5+ year old vet, you should know better than to spread wrong information about EVE and hoping to get away with it.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Everyone I know in EvE has multiples. I'd agree with the OP, no there is never 300K people in EvE or even active subs and there never will be. Maybe 25% of that. It's neither here or there. I agree with several other posters. Most people are high sec casuals with 1 account. They make up the bread and butter of CCP and most of them dont want to be in systems with 30 - 50+ people because the systems dont support that much activity. So not having more than the 30K Average on EvE at any given time suits the game quite well.
Under the DEMOGRAPHICS section it is clearly stated and I quote "Considering the massive removal of accounts due to Unholy Rage, we can say that 2009 continues to be a good year for EVE, which now has more than 300,000 active paying accounts."
Obviously there never are 300k people online in EVE at the same time, there aren't even 300k accounts online at the same time, as the PCU is 53k. This is because there is only 1 EVE shard, and players from all the different time zones play on the same server, so when many are playing, many others are sleeping or working for example, and there are even people that are going outside to buy things like food, imagine that.
Hmm you say 30k average, I'll have to look into that, I hope I can get the monthly ACU ( average concurrent users ), now that would be interesting. If i'd have to make a guess right now, I think it would be more around 40k.
Lastly if 30k is the average, then it is the average and not the number at any given time.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Hmm wow your clever , adding pictures to your dribble. Maybe if you had read the thread instead of jumping in you may have knew that my point was made. Hence why I havn't posted til now. I don't even have to troll my own thread, people do it for me.
You mean the point that EVE does not have 300k players but 300k subscriptions, which everyone already knew?
Here are the monthly records of this year : jan/09 48065 - feb/09 51675 - mrt/09 53850 - apr/09 51040 - mei/09 52200 - jun/09 51555 - jul/09 46880 ( unholy rage has hit here ) - aug/09 49098 - sep/09 50873, you can also go check my site http://www.mmodata.net/ ( these numbers are provided to me directly by the CCP's CEO Assistant )
And what does PCU have to do with multiple accounts anyway? It is irrelevant imho. It is also only logical not everyone is online at the same time, it is a worldwide server, like someone else said, if everyone plays 4 hours a day ( which is alot ) then we have 50k people online at the same time, so it matches perfectly. Obviously on non peak times we see between 30 and 40k players.
So you only made 1 of your 3 points in the OP, a point we all knew already and is nothing special in the mmo scene.
/Thread
(Or at least it should be, but as most people must have realized by now Nasir64 is obviously a troll and no amount of evidence will be enough)
why would anyone go outta their way in an attempt to bash Eve's sub numbers? I mean seriously its really is one of the few good games on the market.
Most of the supporters of the up and coming sci-fi mmos give Eve shit. The JGE, BP, STO and even the TOR fanbois make shit up just to ruffle a few feathers.
I've been following those other games and not one is anything like Eve. I dont see how any of them could feel threatened in the least by a hardcore pvp spaceship game with 300k subs.
Exactly. I myself am hugely into TOR, and am currently a founder of a guild that supports "gray Jedi" (which Bioware failed with and they will not be included in the game, but that doesn't stop us), and I have no reason to disrespect EVE, because I know for a fact that EVE is nothing like TOR in any way.
Not even STO, which involves a lot of in-space playing, has no reason to say anything bad about EVE, because it is a totally differant gaming experiance. I really do not understand why people want to bash EVE, IMO.
If a game can convince a one player to buy 300k subs or 300k people to buy one, then good on them because money is money. Besides most knew that Eve was the kind of game that made having multiple accounts a feasible endeavour.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy. ______________________________ "This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site : http://mmodata.blogspot.be/ Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
You would have to the intellect of a three year old that can't read yet to believe that there is actually a myth that there has been 300k users online at once. Considering they constantly advertise new records that are just over 50k. Which is still more then any single World of Warcraft server. Mind boggling stupidity
You would have to the intellect of a three year old that can't read yet to believe that there is actually a myth that there has been 300k users online at once. Considering they constantly advertise new records that are just over 50k. Which is still more then any single World of Warcraft server. Mind boggling stupidity
Or one that cant write. Whichever doesn't matter. I think if you pay attention and actually read the thread you may realize your faults.
I've played a ton of MMO's and had never seen the multi account trend go as far as it does in Eve. As mentioned above, they disabled ghosting of skills. Its quite possible that since that point, the number has dropped. I can however off the top of my head name at least ten people who have 4+ accounts.
I know in at least Everquest multiboxing has become the norm. Many people i meet have a full group of accounts, 6 i believe. But 2 seems to be the average these days.
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Everyone I know in EvE has multiples. I'd agree with the OP, no there is never 300K people in EvE or even active subs and there never will be. Maybe 25% of that. It's neither here or there. I agree with several other posters. Most people are high sec casuals with 1 account. They make up the bread and butter of CCP and most of them dont want to be in systems with 30 - 50+ people because the systems dont support that much activity. So not having more than the 30K Average on EvE at any given time suits the game quite well.
It's funny how many times you contradicted yourself in just one post..
The sky is blue.
Because it's you saying this I looked outside and checked.
It's pretty grey.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Because it's you saying this I looked outside and checked.
It's pretty grey.
It's always grey on patch day : (
Because it's you saying this I looked outside and checked.
It's pretty grey.
It's always grey on patch day : (
There is a sky out there??? Why wasn't it in the patch notes? MAN I hate stealth patches!
(DISCLAIMER - The use of the word YOU in the above post is not directed at any one person in particular, but towards those who fall into the category itself - there is no personal attack here, neither intentional nor implied.)
Unfortunately most of what is said in the OP's initial post to my knowledge, is grossly exaggerated and inaccurate. CCP to my knowledge has always stated they have a total of 300,000 subscribers not players. The reason they say 300,000 subscriptions is to compete with WoW's figures probably and to show the measure of success whether with plex's or not (Plex are paid for anyway).
Another thing is it's impossible for the Population to be a maximum total of 75,000 players at best when on average the server's (not peak time even) population is between 30k and 40k accounts online. Although some will be alt accounts, not all of them will be. Other people have a real life they need to keep up with. At best you can say 1/3 of the game's active users would be online all at the same time but thats just a theory which can't be proven and is based off timezones. Different timezones, commitments and real life hinder people from coming online. And by the way, the 1/3 fraction is nothing to do with the 30k - 40k people online.
I don't understand how these figures even if they were true (that the op mentioned) would effect the game's fun factor. Probably trolls mis-informed the OP or something, since no MMO can ever boast about having a larger population on their server than Eve, since Eve has the highest population any MMO could ever dream of having on their server till now. So no it shouldn't make a difference since you will never have a more populated nor could have ever experienced a more populated server as of yet.
I'm actually suprised the OP has played for 5 and a half years and not known these details. Some of the information is just way off the radar. Even newbies know some of these details and how to interpret them.
You mean the point that EVE does not have 300k players but 300k subscriptions, which everyone already knew?
Or the complete made up point that 90% of the players have more than 1 account, while the last official number is less than 20%? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=461283&page=2#36
Or the stupid reasoning that you only seen 51k users online once in your 5 years of EVE as it is only since Feb 2009 that this peak has been achieved ... http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2765&tid=1
Here are the monthly records of this year : jan/09 48065 - feb/09 51675 - mrt/09 53850 - apr/09 51040 - mei/09 52200 - jun/09 51555 - jul/09 46880 ( unholy rage has hit here ) - aug/09 49098 - sep/09 50873, you can also go check my site http://www.mmodata.net/ ( these numbers are provided to me directly by the CCP's CEO Assistant )
And what does PCU have to do with multiple accounts anyway? It is irrelevant imho. It is also only logical not everyone is online at the same time, it is a worldwide server, like someone else said, if everyone plays 4 hours a day ( which is alot ) then we have 50k people online at the same time, so it matches perfectly. Obviously on non peak times we see between 30 and 40k players.
So you only made 1 of your 3 points in the OP, a point we all knew already and is nothing special in the mmo scene.
You just contradicted yourself in that post. Apparently you have been waiting to jump down my throat with your added babble. The official number of less then 20% was made so long ago and by an non existent employee as of current. I could care less about the most people online at once. That has nothing to do with anything. It seems to me you are just trying to be important here. No one cares, the point of this thread was to spark interest in those who was interested in EVE and wanted to know how the population was. As I see from some of the posts the info was appreciated. Move along.
I contradicted myself how? Please explain.
And if you could care less with the PCU, why did you mention it? My point is that it is only logical that you only have seen 51k online once in 5 years. Wether you played since release or 5 years or only 6 months does not matter, the absolute PCU is 53850, reached on march this year. No one is telling any different, but okay, you were correct, you don't see these max PCU's every day.
Look I don't want to jump down anyones throat, but you came here to "clear up some misconceptions" and tell us the "honest to god truth", because others are feeding us with misinformation. But instead you say 90% people have more than 1 account and you "guess" that there are only 75k players, which is the only misinformation going on here.
If you had stayed with what you know and only told us that the 300k subscriptions also include multiple accounts, then everyone would have looked at it and moved along.
As a 5+ year old vet, you should know better than to spread wrong information about EVE and hoping to get away with it.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Please look here :
http://ccp.vo.llnwd.net/o2/pdf/QEN_Q3-2009.pdf
Under the DEMOGRAPHICS section it is clearly stated and I quote "Considering the massive removal of accounts due to Unholy Rage, we can say that 2009 continues to be a good year for EVE, which now has more than 300,000 active paying accounts."
Obviously there never are 300k people online in EVE at the same time, there aren't even 300k accounts online at the same time, as the PCU is 53k. This is because there is only 1 EVE shard, and players from all the different time zones play on the same server, so when many are playing, many others are sleeping or working for example, and there are even people that are going outside to buy things like food, imagine that.
Hmm you say 30k average, I'll have to look into that, I hope I can get the monthly ACU ( average concurrent users ), now that would be interesting. If i'd have to make a guess right now, I think it would be more around 40k.
Lastly if 30k is the average, then it is the average and not the number at any given time.
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
You mean the point that EVE does not have 300k players but 300k subscriptions, which everyone already knew?
Or the complete made up point that 90% of the players have more than 1 account, while the last official number is less than 20%? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=461283&page=2#36
Or the stupid reasoning that you only seen 51k users online once in your 5 years of EVE as it is only since Feb 2009 that this peak has been achieved ... http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=2765&tid=1
Here are the monthly records of this year : jan/09 48065 - feb/09 51675 - mrt/09 53850 - apr/09 51040 - mei/09 52200 - jun/09 51555 - jul/09 46880 ( unholy rage has hit here ) - aug/09 49098 - sep/09 50873, you can also go check my site http://www.mmodata.net/ ( these numbers are provided to me directly by the CCP's CEO Assistant )
And what does PCU have to do with multiple accounts anyway? It is irrelevant imho. It is also only logical not everyone is online at the same time, it is a worldwide server, like someone else said, if everyone plays 4 hours a day ( which is alot ) then we have 50k people online at the same time, so it matches perfectly. Obviously on non peak times we see between 30 and 40k players.
So you only made 1 of your 3 points in the OP, a point we all knew already and is nothing special in the mmo scene.
/Thread
(Or at least it should be, but as most people must have realized by now Nasir64 is obviously a troll and no amount of evidence will be enough)
You guys are just all wrong. Obviously Eve is a single player game with me and my 299k alts.
Don't know what your playing but it's not MY EVE
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
Dont listen to metalhead980. The account he is using is my alt.
Glad to see you on the eve forum as well mh980, i remember some good points you made at the FE forum:)
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Most of the supporters of the up and coming sci-fi mmos give Eve shit. The JGE, BP, STO and even the TOR fanbois make shit up just to ruffle a few feathers.
I've been following those other games and not one is anything like Eve. I dont see how any of them could feel threatened in the least by a hardcore pvp spaceship game with 300k subs.
Exactly. I myself am hugely into TOR, and am currently a founder of a guild that supports "gray Jedi" (which Bioware failed with and they will not be included in the game, but that doesn't stop us), and I have no reason to disrespect EVE, because I know for a fact that EVE is nothing like TOR in any way.
Not even STO, which involves a lot of in-space playing, has no reason to say anything bad about EVE, because it is a totally differant gaming experiance. I really do not understand why people want to bash EVE, IMO.
If a game can convince a one player to buy 300k subs or 300k people to buy one, then good on them because money is money. Besides most knew that Eve was the kind of game that made having multiple accounts a feasible endeavour.
There is NO miracle patch.
95% of what you see in beta won't change by launch.
Hope is not a stategy.
______________________________
"This kind of topic is like one of those little cartoon boxes held up by a stick on a string, with a piece of meat under it. In other words, bait."
New PCU record today; 54,030 when I logged in just now.
Give me liberty or give me lasers
Yah, they actually went up to 54181 : http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3620&tid=1
If you are interested in subscription or PCU numbers for MMORPG's, check out my site :
http://mmodata.blogspot.be/
Favorite MMORPG's : DAoC pre ToA-NF, SWG Pre CU-NGE, EVE Online
Yah, they actually went up to 54181 : http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3620&tid=1
DO NOT post actuall facts!!!!!
It just provokes Nerdrage from the trolls.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
Yah, they actually went up to 54181 : http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3620&tid=1
DO NOT post actuall facts!!!!!
It just provokes Nerdrage from the trolls.
Yeah but they weren’t actual subscriptions.......they were just people that were paying to play the game.
Yah, they actually went up to 54181 : http://www.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=3620&tid=1
DO NOT post actuall facts!!!!!
It just provokes Nerdrage from the trolls.
Yeah but they weren’t actual subscriptions.......they were just people that were paying to play the game.
I thought the old PCU was 56k or 58k, something like that.
When do you guys log on? When I log in the PCU is only around 34-38k.
I was getting worried that we wouldn't have a new Sub increase by next year.
I'm hoping Eve will be around the 330-350k area by the time planetary conquest releases.
PLaying: EvE, Ryzom
Waiting For: Earthrise, Perpetuum
You would have to the intellect of a three year old that can't read yet to believe that there is actually a myth that there has been 300k users online at once. Considering they constantly advertise new records that are just over 50k. Which is still more then any single World of Warcraft server. Mind boggling stupidity
Or one that cant write. Whichever doesn't matter. I think if you pay attention and actually read the thread you may realize your faults.
Either way , tears are tasty.
I know in at least Everquest multiboxing has become the norm. Many people i meet have a full group of accounts, 6 i believe. But 2 seems to be the average these days.