Wow this thread is going in 10 directions at once. Ok first, yes there are people claiming that they were banned for no reason and of course they want retribution. Either it be account reinstated or money back, but coming to forums and complaining about it will get you nowhere. Everyone that you don't know directly will obivously think your lieing because you have no proof that you were actually banned on accident by Ncsoft. They don't know if your telling the truth and technically, they don't care.
Secondly, just because you hate a game or company doesn't mean it's a horrible company. It just mean YOU don't like it. Don't talk like your the majority and your voicing your opinion for the populace. Remember it's your a opinion.
If you were banned on accident, then I'm very sorry. If your lieing about the ban and were doing something that's not intended by the game, well.......GET A LIFE!
goodluck, btw you can run a bot and talk all day and even take manual control of it without turning off the boat and do w/e. i know this because i botted to max level in aion right when it started with a spiritmaster so i never got banned. game sucked so i sold it.
Wasnt lvl 50 and whats the point of botting while ur sitting at ur comp? Why not just play it?
found the thread for you. Never said that was my sin. i Said i have a sin that would agree with him. If you mistakenly thought it was mine it is not. I am Elyos on that server so how can i have a asmo sin? Go fail somewhere else troll.
Thats why you need to hide behind a new username.
You just said you havent logged in these forums in 2-3 months. What happened to those claims? And I'm the one trolling? Yeah, okay lol.
You didnt say "I know a sin". You said "I have a sin".
O man i made 2 posts whoopdy doo. Im done argueing with you. Your goin completely off subject here. You went from that being my sin to now me not logging on. Your a moron. please delete your account and make a new one to flame someone else.
Your attitude surely doesn't help in the credibility department, as well as your arguments. Give up, you won't find too much support here. I'm sure there are other games in which you can kill lowbies for points.In here, you got pwned by SporeDot long already and the only thing you could do in return is calling him names. It can't get more pathetic than this. Maybe there's hope for you in a next life
Originally posted by Night_Hawke i got banned from AION for nothing as well. When i took it to the CS and GM's they told me 3rd party apps (which i was not using) and said i was banned and would not be reactivated. When i pressed further they locked me out of the Customer support system entirely. I'm done with NCSoft forever, won't look at any new game or GW2.
Ohhh another innocent soul. Please come to me child! Cry on my shoulder. NCSoft will surely go bust without another botter in their midst.
Let me put some music on for you:
/violin
And you *KNOW* they are guilty, how? Given NCsofts past history, its not at all surprising that their MUCH belated wild swings of the ban hammer, might hit some innocent people. Unless you are the same type of person who believes what ever government tells you, I'd hold such actions by the likes of NCsoft suspect until proven other wise.
You don't hear people saying that he's guilty of botting and i won't denie that some may be banned falsely, but i have no doubt in my mind that topicstarter was botting. I'm sure he'll call me all kinds of things now, but like others that hasn't impressed me since 8th grade.
So i login to my game of choice yesterday morning to pick up where i have left off with my crafting to a screen tellin me my account is unable to login. So i then check my account to see if there is something up with billing, and to my surprise i see in big red caps BANNED..... So i checked my emails. Not 1 email from NCSoft to explain why this has happend. I had to call them wait on hold for 45 mins just for the lady on the phone to tell me she has no control and cant tell me why i was banned only that i was banned, and that she will put an email in for me for the GMs to tell me why.
I wait 30 hours and receive an email that i was banned for using 3rd party software.... This is complete and utter BS. I have not used any bot software in this game. I am a very active person in the game ALWAYS talk and very well known in my ranger chat. I also have 1.2k+ pvp kills with 40k+ ap. Im very fed up with the whole way this is being handled and how im being told that my account will not be reactivated. I sent an email back explaining this. But i highly doubt a GM will contact any in game or in ranger chat to see that everytime im ingame im fcking talking. Sorry for the rant but i had to vent as alot of time/money went into this account ($60 CE + 3 months play time) all down the drain because a few people at NCSoft got ban happy. I will completely boycott NCSoft if my account is not reactivated as i am a longtime NCSoft game player. (Lineage Lineage2 GW Exteel and now Aion)
This here is the perfect example of someone screaming innocence yet in reality uses scripting software to gain the advantage in PvP and other game functions, pathetic.
Software security specialist that work for NCsoft definately seen your unauthorized use of such software and banned you, plain and simple.
I rest my case, this post is so important because this is exactly how it goes down in mmorpg's. Most players are scripting in PvP and those that scream the loudest claiming their innocence are the ones that are the most guilty.
So i login to my game of choice yesterday morning to pick up where i have left off with my crafting to a screen tellin me my account is unable to login. So i then check my account to see if there is something up with billing, and to my surprise i see in big red caps BANNED..... So i checked my emails. Not 1 email from NCSoft to explain why this has happend. I had to call them wait on hold for 45 mins just for the lady on the phone to tell me she has no control and cant tell me why i was banned only that i was banned, and that she will put an email in for me for the GMs to tell me why.
I wait 30 hours and receive an email that i was banned for using 3rd party software.... This is complete and utter BS. I have not used any bot software in this game. I am a very active person in the game ALWAYS talk and very well known in my ranger chat. I also have 1.2k+ pvp kills with 40k+ ap. Im very fed up with the whole way this is being handled and how im being told that my account will not be reactivated. I sent an email back explaining this. But i highly doubt a GM will contact any in game or in ranger chat to see that everytime im ingame im fcking talking. Sorry for the rant but i had to vent as alot of time/money went into this account ($60 CE + 3 months play time) all down the drain because a few people at NCSoft got ban happy. I will completely boycott NCSoft if my account is not reactivated as i am a longtime NCSoft game player. (Lineage Lineage2 GW Exteel and now Aion)
This here is the perfect example of someone screaming innocence yet in reality uses scripting software to gain the advantage in PvP and other game functions, pathetic.
Software security specialist that work for NCsoft definately seen your unauthorized use of such software and banned you, plain and simple.
I rest my case, this post is so important because this is exactly how it goes down in mmorpg's. Most players are scripting in PvP and those that scream the loudest claiming their innocence are the ones that are the most guilty.
"most players are scripting in PvP"? And you know this how? What evidence do you have? It sounds more like the usual speculation to me. As for the last, those who assume some one is guilty, rather than innocent without *evidence* are beloved of tyrants of any type and rime.
You can script in pvp but it wont help. Human touch >programmed AI. I botted to level 39 and everything i gained, kinah, items i gave away or sold extremely cheap.
Then i got banned, but its all good, the game was awful, cant pvp in siege unless you like taking a fort with 12 people on screen and poor graphics.
So dont rush PVE so you can PVP effectively its not going to happen, yet.
Might buy aion again when the "vision" patch is released.
The assassin linked with the uber gear could not be his account (or at least, the banned account he is referring to) because it is still racking up PVP kills.
I, for one, am inclined to believe the OP. I don't believe he has any reason to lie. IHave you tried calling them directly and speaking with a live person? You may have more success than these automated email responses.
speed hack's aren't 3rd party software, they're hacks so it's legit right? :P
Seriously tho, you didn't buy the rmt kinah NCSoft was selling via their in house botter/RMT shops so they "banned" their own botters for PR and they shut you down for not buying from them (or FOR buying from them once the money hits their accounts, either way). Simple right? /sarcasam off
IF you were improperly banned, sorry for your loss but hey, most TOC's and EULA's include the fact the company can kick you off and not repay you for your game time (even that which you've pre-paid for) so there's nothing you can really do, you clicked "I ACCEPT" when you logged in. If they wanted to turn your character into Smurfette, well, it's their game you just pay to rent some access bandwidth, enjoy smurfing around. MMORPG = players having less rights than a landlord with a tenant who knows the rental laws.
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I dunno if the op botted or not or if the ban was legit or not.But I can tell you this out of all mmogs I have ever played from UO up and beyond AION I can say first hand NCSOFT has some of the rudest biggest ass**les customer service of any mmog I have ever played and I say that even after playing horrizons and Anarchy-Online from funcom for 5+ years.They suck as a company period.
I dunno if the op botted or not or if the ban was legit or not.But I can tell you this out of all mmogs I have ever played from UO up and beyond AION I can say first hand NCSOFT has some of the rudest biggest ass**les customer service of any mmog I have ever played and I say that even after playing horrizons and Anarchy-Online from funcom for 5+ years.They suck as a company period.
This is true, the NCSoft CS is pure crap. Tried calling when they recently due to the recent reactivation of old L2 accts and I have long since let the email account from way back go and expire and my cc # changed since then. Was pretty much told to fuck off to the ncstore and buy a new copy if I wanted to play because they "didn't see a need to assist" me in getting my account pw reset so I could play. :P
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So i login to my game of choice yesterday morning to pick up where i have left off with my crafting to a screen tellin me my account is unable to login. So i then check my account to see if there is something up with billing, and to my surprise i see in big red caps BANNED..... So i checked my emails. Not 1 email from NCSoft to explain why this has happend. I had to call them wait on hold for 45 mins just for the lady on the phone to tell me she has no control and cant tell me why i was banned only that i was banned, and that she will put an email in for me for the GMs to tell me why.
I wait 30 hours and receive an email that i was banned for using 3rd party software.... This is complete and utter BS. I have not used any bot software in this game. I am a very active person in the game ALWAYS talk and very well known in my ranger chat. I also have 1.2k+ pvp kills with 40k+ ap. Im very fed up with the whole way this is being handled and how im being told that my account will not be reactivated. I sent an email back explaining this. But i highly doubt a GM will contact any in game or in ranger chat to see that everytime im ingame im fcking talking. Sorry for the rant but i had to vent as alot of time/money went into this account ($60 CE + 3 months play time) all down the drain because a few people at NCSoft got ban happy. I will completely boycott NCSoft if my account is not reactivated as i am a longtime NCSoft game player. (Lineage Lineage2 GW Exteel and now Aion)
This here is the perfect example of someone screaming innocence yet in reality uses scripting software to gain the advantage in PvP and other game functions, pathetic.
Software security specialist that work for NCsoft definately seen your unauthorized use of such software and banned you, plain and simple.....
Yeaup you caught me i botted in PVE then scripting in PvP. I love buying games to not play them and let programs play for me. /sarcasm off
If i scripted pvp( which you cant due to it being very UNPREDICTABLE. And botted in PVE why would i even play the game. I honestly don't care about the ban as i leave for deployment in 38 days. So i wouldnt be able to play any way. I made this post to warn people that NCSoft is banning people without sending 1 word as to why. The only way you know your banned is when you try to login to your account and you get a message refering you to the support page which then just says you account is banned. No reason no email nothing.
So honestly i dont care what you all think as to if i was botting or not. And to the 2 trolls with the post count under 15 lmao at you for having no life to sit on a forum makin new accounts to just try to troll people. I called 1 person a moron(which he is) because of this. If you support trolls you are one yourself.
As for me i bought empire total war and im gonna play that until i leave
TOS and EULA are a sad joke atm. They are only allowing you to pay whenever they want you to. This restrictive approach and the lack of commitment and obligation they have (you are still a customer, yet with no rights) is an insult to human intelligence and social evolution. EULAs and TOS in MMo are only a way to admit that:
- they are responsible from nothing,
- they can ban whoever they want whenever they want for no reason,
- they own everything even the air that you are breathing when you are connected to their game,
- they won't ever recognize you as a customer,
- they aren't guaranteeing any kind of coherence or consistency in terms of game economy, itemization or server stability,
- they can say whatever they want to promote their game.
Anyway, banning people who bot is necessary in a game where everything is earnt after an endless and boring grind. It would be great if they could start communicating their reasons and evidences but they will never do it. I hope that some kind of horribly expensive trial will eventually end up those terrible practices. I also doubt that any Consumer advocacy group will focus on MMos soon.
Even if you did actually bot, I guess that it wasn't t sell Kinahs. You should understand that the boring grind makes no sense if players use bots. It only makes normal players angry. They feel cheated and only focus on bots ruining their gaming experience, when it is actually a wider issue (xp gains, low droprates, boring quests) They should have caped the lvls to 30 during the first month, then 40 the second, 45 the third and 50 after 4 months. That's a shame that NCSOFT inability to adapt and westernize the game ends up in banwaves.
You can also threaten them analysing how they detect "3rd party softwares". You should take a look at botting websites, I'm sure they did find a lot of ways to get banned accounts back. Being legalistic pays most of time.
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I don't understand all of the whining that's gone on in this thread. You got banned for cheating, suck it up and move on and maybe next time you'll think twice before you take stupid risks and then get caught. Also, NCSoft is under no obligation to "prove" to you what they caught you cheating with. Pretty damn stupid for them to do that actually. That's like the police sitting a bank robber down and letting them know how they screwed up and what ended up getting them caught. You cheated and you got banned. Whining about the big bad ebil company that 'wronged' you is laughable.
I don't understand all of the whining that's gone on in this thread. You got banned for cheating, suck it up and move on and maybe next time you'll think twice before you take stupid risks and then get caught. Also, NCSoft is under no obligation to "prove" to you what they caught you cheating with. Pretty damn stupid for them to do that actually. That's like the police sitting a bank robber down and letting them know how they screwed up and what ended up getting them caught. You cheated and you got banned. Whining about the big bad ebil company that 'wronged' you is laughable.
Interesting... Do you also take anything government says as gospel? How do you *know* that NCsoft hasn't made a mistake and caught some innocent people when they belatedly started wildly swinging their ban hammer around? Do you also assume that anyone who is "detained" *must* be "guilty"? After all, government(these days) is under no obligation to follow due process, and other such "technicalities" in its pursuit of the "guilty"... I'm always amused and amazed that so many people take your perspective. Not only in regards to game companies, but just about any other such groups.
I don't understand all of the whining that's gone on in this thread. You got banned for cheating, suck it up and move on and maybe next time you'll think twice before you take stupid risks and then get caught. Also, NCSoft is under no obligation to "prove" to you what they caught you cheating with. Pretty damn stupid for them to do that actually. That's like the police sitting a bank robber down and letting them know how they screwed up and what ended up getting them caught. You cheated and you got banned. Whining about the big bad ebil company that 'wronged' you is laughable.
I can see you didnt read this thread whatsoever let alone my first sentence. I can strongly see you are a sheeple. You follow blindly and do what ever your told without question. You also believe everything that is told to you.
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I can see you didnt read this thread whatsoever let alone my first sentence. I can strongly see you are a sheeple. You follow blindly and do what ever your told without question. You also believe everything that is told to you.
Oh the irony, as you are expecting people on here to blindly believe what you are telling us without question.
When we do ask the apparent questions that seem to not add up in your claims, you resort to flaming instead of addressing the accusations against you.
What a double standard we have here. People are wrong for questioning you, but when it comes to NCSoft you accuse others of following blindly without question.
When taken in the context of that thread I dont believe he is refuring to his own character. It reads to me that hes saying 'Sins dont all sux here I'll link one to prove it. The context of his post does not come across as him linking his own character. The telling line for me is "Damm hes only got 3K+..." If he were talking about his own character he'd have said "Damm I've only got 3K+..."
As for posting twice in the last 2-3 months when he said he had'ent been on these boards in months .. well big deal. Could'ent tell you how many times I've posted in the last months on these boards or any of the others I visit. So thats a moot argument too.
Now, do I believe that the OP is innocent? Maby. Not for me to decide, its possible that he's just been caught in a bannhammer move and if so then bad luck mate. Really only the OP knows for sure if he was cheating .. and "maby" NC soft .. I say maby for NC soft because in all honesty they are a bunch of retards who let scripts determin who's guilty and who's not with little to no actual human review.
These boards are terrible for people automatically assuming that anywho who cries "foul" about a ban is indeed guilty until it happens to them. Personally I've never been banned from any game ... though I've come across people who were, for what were later proven to be inaccurate reasons ... so I have no illusions that MMO companys DO make mistakes.
When taken in the context of that thread I dont believe he is refuring to his own character. It reads to me that hes saying 'Sins dont all sux here I'll link one to prove it. The context of his post does not come across as him linking his own character. The telling line for me is "Damm hes only got 3K+..." If he were talking about his own character he'd have said "Damm I've only got 3K+..." As for posting twice in the last 2-3 months when he said he had'ent been on these boards in months .. well big deal. Could'ent tell you how many times I've posted in the last months on these boards or any of the others I visit. So thats a moot argument too. Now, do I believe that the OP is innocent? Maby. Not for me to decide, its possible that he's just been caught in a bannhammer move and if so then bad luck mate. Really only the OP knows for sure if he was cheating .. and "maby" NC soft .. I say maby for NC soft because in all honesty they are a bunch of retards who let scripts determin who's guilty and who's not with little to no actual human review. These boards are terrible for people automatically assuming that anywho who cries "foul" about a ban is indeed guilty until it happens to them. Personally I've never been banned from any game ... though I've come across people who were, for what were later proven to be inaccurate reasons ... so I have no illusions that MMO companys DO make mistakes.
As I mentioned in my earlier posts, if he was wrongly banned then I do feel bad for him.
Just observing his actions, responses, etc, do his actions seem like someone that is honest and level headed? Not really. That only ruins the credibility and makes it pretty apparent that his goal wasnt to inform us of NCSofts wrongdoings but to argue and flame.
Furthermore, this isnt the place to "demand reactivations" so that alone gives the impression that this is just a troll.
Finally, I know people who were "mistakenly banned" in the game, so I know NCSoft does sometimes ban people by mistake. But I also know that upon investigating they DO actually investigate, and they reinstate the accounts. Heck, even if you have some violations on your account they DO reinstate you with a warning - just ask the legion leader of the #1 ranked guild on Siel-Elyos side.
They dont whip out perma-bans for a single violation. I only know of one person who really DID get a peremenant ban, and he openly admitted in our legion chat that he botted and got booted from guild because of that.
So if the OP recieved a permenant ban without anything in return, it's pretty obvious he has MULTIPLE violations against his account, and even upon investigation it was still deemed neccessary. I dont know the exact details of how they monitor for 3rd party programs, and they definately wont give out the info because then people would find a way around the detection, but people would not be getting reinstated if that was not the case.
goodluck, btw you can run a bot and talk all day and even take manual control of it without turning off the boat and do w/e. i know this because i botted to max level in aion right when it started with a spiritmaster so i never got banned. game sucked so i sold it.
Um. How would you kow the game sucked, (and if it does suck, it's because of people like you that ruin the player experience) if you didn't even play? You just said you botted. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?
When taken in the context of that thread I dont believe he is refuring to his own character. It reads to me that hes saying 'Sins dont all sux here I'll link one to prove it. The context of his post does not come across as him linking his own character. The telling line for me is "Damm hes only got 3K+..." If he were talking about his own character he'd have said "Damm I've only got 3K+..." As for posting twice in the last 2-3 months when he said he had'ent been on these boards in months .. well big deal. Could'ent tell you how many times I've posted in the last months on these boards or any of the others I visit. So thats a moot argument too. Now, do I believe that the OP is innocent? Maby. Not for me to decide, its possible that he's just been caught in a bannhammer move and if so then bad luck mate. Really only the OP knows for sure if he was cheating .. and "maby" NC soft .. I say maby for NC soft because in all honesty they are a bunch of retards who let scripts determin who's guilty and who's not with little to no actual human review. These boards are terrible for people automatically assuming that anywho who cries "foul" about a ban is indeed guilty until it happens to them. Personally I've never been banned from any game ... though I've come across people who were, for what were later proven to be inaccurate reasons ... so I have no illusions that MMO companys DO make mistakes.
As I mentioned in my earlier posts, if he was wrongly banned then I do feel bad for him.
Just observing his actions, responses, etc, do his actions seem like someone that is honest and level headed? Not really. That only ruins the credibility and makes it pretty apparent that his goal wasnt to inform us of NCSofts wrongdoings but to argue and flame.
Furthermore, this isnt the place to "demand reactivations" so that alone gives the impression that this is just a troll.
Finally, I know people who were "mistakenly banned" in the game, so I know NCSoft does sometimes ban people by mistake. But I also know that upon investigating they DO actually investigate, and they reinstate the accounts. Heck, even if you have some violations on your account they DO reinstate you with a warning - just ask the legion leader of the #1 ranked guild on Siel-Elyos side.
They dont whip out perma-bans for a single violation. I only know of one person who really DID get a peremenant ban, and he openly admitted in our legion chat that he botted and got booted from guild because of that.
So if the OP recieved a permenant ban without anything in return, it's pretty obvious he has MULTIPLE violations against his account, and even upon investigation it was still deemed neccessary. I dont know the exact details of how they monitor for 3rd party programs, and they definately wont give out the info because then people would find a way around the detection, but people would not be getting reinstated if that was not the case.
That was my first and only violation. K thnx Also I havent flamed anyone. Funny how your sayin i came here screaming and kicking i want my account back even if i did i was heated IE the thread name. Im sure ud be pissed to if u were wrongly banned, and you spent all that money on a CE box and then months played.You made a new account just to flame me. So please DO NOT call me the troll and tell me im flaming.
As for the NCSoft not banning on first offense lmao at you my friend. You have no idea. They didnt even send a email out on a permaban do you really expect them to send out warnings? Come on now use your head. You know the thing you used to make this new account to flame me.
Also i never said no one can question me. Everyones got there opinion. To each there own. But for you to stand so blindly behind NCSoft i can clearly see your a fanboy, because your making every attempt to defend them when they are clearly in the wrong. (even if your think there are in the right with me) And some ways they are in the wrong is
1. No emails when your banned.
2. No GMs in game to contact.
3. No warnings what so ever if your doing something wrong.
4. Callin Cust Supp. Just to find out theyc ant help you after being on hold for 45 mins.
5. Emailing their support then them sending you an automated message telling you o well your beat we banned you we are always right your account is gone.
6. Banning me a REAL LIVE PERSON, when in Sanctum or Asmodian equivalent theres AFK stand advertising gold/PL websites.
I could go on and on. Now after a few days to a week im happy i got falsely banned. Because ive moved on to other games that dont require redundant things to get done. So please pull the NCSoft stick out from your ass and take a look at the bigger picture. Your godsend isnt a godsend.
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Wow this thread is going in 10 directions at once. Ok first, yes there are people claiming that they were banned for no reason and of course they want retribution. Either it be account reinstated or money back, but coming to forums and complaining about it will get you nowhere. Everyone that you don't know directly will obivously think your lieing because you have no proof that you were actually banned on accident by Ncsoft. They don't know if your telling the truth and technically, they don't care.
Secondly, just because you hate a game or company doesn't mean it's a horrible company. It just mean YOU don't like it. Don't talk like your the majority and your voicing your opinion for the populace. Remember it's your a opinion.
If you were banned on accident, then I'm very sorry. If your lieing about the ban and were doing something that's not intended by the game, well.......GET A LIFE!
Everyone has opinions, but does that make them the universal truth??? NO!
Wasnt lvl 50 and whats the point of botting while ur sitting at ur comp? Why not just play it?
to see if the end game is worth the grind
You just said you havent logged in these forums in 2-3 months. What happened to those claims? And I'm the one trolling? Yeah, okay lol.
You didnt say "I know a sin". You said "I have a sin".
O man i made 2 posts whoopdy doo. Im done argueing with you. Your goin completely off subject here. You went from that being my sin to now me not logging on. Your a moron. please delete your account and make a new one to flame someone else.
Your attitude surely doesn't help in the credibility department, as well as your arguments. Give up, you won't find too much support here. I'm sure there are other games in which you can kill lowbies for points.In here, you got pwned by SporeDot long already and the only thing you could do in return is calling him names. It can't get more pathetic than this. Maybe there's hope for you in a next life
Ohhh another innocent soul. Please come to me child! Cry on my shoulder. NCSoft will surely go bust without another botter in their midst.
Let me put some music on for you:
/violin
And you *KNOW* they are guilty, how? Given NCsofts past history, its not at all surprising that their MUCH belated wild swings of the ban hammer, might hit some innocent people. Unless you are the same type of person who believes what ever government tells you, I'd hold such actions by the likes of NCsoft suspect until proven other wise.
You don't hear people saying that he's guilty of botting and i won't denie that some may be banned falsely, but i have no doubt in my mind that topicstarter was botting. I'm sure he'll call me all kinds of things now, but like others that hasn't impressed me since 8th grade.
This here is the perfect example of someone screaming innocence yet in reality uses scripting software to gain the advantage in PvP and other game functions, pathetic.
Software security specialist that work for NCsoft definately seen your unauthorized use of such software and banned you, plain and simple.
I rest my case, this post is so important because this is exactly how it goes down in mmorpg's. Most players are scripting in PvP and those that scream the loudest claiming their innocence are the ones that are the most guilty.
This here is the perfect example of someone screaming innocence yet in reality uses scripting software to gain the advantage in PvP and other game functions, pathetic.
Software security specialist that work for NCsoft definately seen your unauthorized use of such software and banned you, plain and simple.
I rest my case, this post is so important because this is exactly how it goes down in mmorpg's. Most players are scripting in PvP and those that scream the loudest claiming their innocence are the ones that are the most guilty.
"most players are scripting in PvP"? And you know this how? What evidence do you have? It sounds more like the usual speculation to me. As for the last, those who assume some one is guilty, rather than innocent without *evidence* are beloved of tyrants of any type and rime.
You can script in pvp but it wont help. Human touch >programmed AI. I botted to level 39 and everything i gained, kinah, items i gave away or sold extremely cheap.
Then i got banned, but its all good, the game was awful, cant pvp in siege unless you like taking a fort with 12 people on screen and poor graphics.
So dont rush PVE so you can PVP effectively its not going to happen, yet.
Might buy aion again when the "vision" patch is released.
Also srivate pervers
The assassin linked with the uber gear could not be his account (or at least, the banned account he is referring to) because it is still racking up PVP kills.
I, for one, am inclined to believe the OP. I don't believe he has any reason to lie. IHave you tried calling them directly and speaking with a live person? You may have more success than these automated email responses.
speed hack's aren't 3rd party software, they're hacks so it's legit right? :P
Seriously tho, you didn't buy the rmt kinah NCSoft was selling via their in house botter/RMT shops so they "banned" their own botters for PR and they shut you down for not buying from them (or FOR buying from them once the money hits their accounts, either way). Simple right? /sarcasam off
IF you were improperly banned, sorry for your loss but hey, most TOC's and EULA's include the fact the company can kick you off and not repay you for your game time (even that which you've pre-paid for) so there's nothing you can really do, you clicked "I ACCEPT" when you logged in. If they wanted to turn your character into Smurfette, well, it's their game you just pay to rent some access bandwidth, enjoy smurfing around. MMORPG = players having less rights than a landlord with a tenant who knows the rental laws.
I dunno if the op botted or not or if the ban was legit or not.But I can tell you this out of all mmogs I have ever played from UO up and beyond AION I can say first hand NCSOFT has some of the rudest biggest ass**les customer service of any mmog I have ever played and I say that even after playing horrizons and Anarchy-Online from funcom for 5+ years.They suck as a company period.
This is true, the NCSoft CS is pure crap. Tried calling when they recently due to the recent reactivation of old L2 accts and I have long since let the email account from way back go and expire and my cc # changed since then. Was pretty much told to fuck off to the ncstore and buy a new copy if I wanted to play because they "didn't see a need to assist" me in getting my account pw reset so I could play. :P
This here is the perfect example of someone screaming innocence yet in reality uses scripting software to gain the advantage in PvP and other game functions, pathetic.
Software security specialist that work for NCsoft definately seen your unauthorized use of such software and banned you, plain and simple.....
Yeaup you caught me i botted in PVE then scripting in PvP. I love buying games to not play them and let programs play for me. /sarcasm off
If i scripted pvp( which you cant due to it being very UNPREDICTABLE. And botted in PVE why would i even play the game. I honestly don't care about the ban as i leave for deployment in 38 days. So i wouldnt be able to play any way. I made this post to warn people that NCSoft is banning people without sending 1 word as to why. The only way you know your banned is when you try to login to your account and you get a message refering you to the support page which then just says you account is banned. No reason no email nothing.
So honestly i dont care what you all think as to if i was botting or not. And to the 2 trolls with the post count under 15 lmao at you for having no life to sit on a forum makin new accounts to just try to troll people. I called 1 person a moron(which he is) because of this. If you support trolls you are one yourself.
As for me i bought empire total war and im gonna play that until i leave
So happy gaming everyone and happy holidays.
Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.
You used the bot feature with work order didnt you? to craft?
Ncsoft is not stupid. I gave them the tools to combat aion bots.
Why would they not be stupid if they have to rely on your tools? I think they are pretty stupid if they can't think of anti-botting tools themselves.
TOS and EULA are a sad joke atm. They are only allowing you to pay whenever they want you to. This restrictive approach and the lack of commitment and obligation they have (you are still a customer, yet with no rights) is an insult to human intelligence and social evolution. EULAs and TOS in MMo are only a way to admit that:
- they are responsible from nothing,
- they can ban whoever they want whenever they want for no reason,
- they own everything even the air that you are breathing when you are connected to their game,
- they won't ever recognize you as a customer,
- they aren't guaranteeing any kind of coherence or consistency in terms of game economy, itemization or server stability,
- they can say whatever they want to promote their game.
Anyway, banning people who bot is necessary in a game where everything is earnt after an endless and boring grind. It would be great if they could start communicating their reasons and evidences but they will never do it. I hope that some kind of horribly expensive trial will eventually end up those terrible practices. I also doubt that any Consumer advocacy group will focus on MMos soon.
Even if you did actually bot, I guess that it wasn't t sell Kinahs. You should understand that the boring grind makes no sense if players use bots. It only makes normal players angry. They feel cheated and only focus on bots ruining their gaming experience, when it is actually a wider issue (xp gains, low droprates, boring quests) They should have caped the lvls to 30 during the first month, then 40 the second, 45 the third and 50 after 4 months. That's a shame that NCSOFT inability to adapt and westernize the game ends up in banwaves.
You can also threaten them analysing how they detect "3rd party softwares". You should take a look at botting websites, I'm sure they did find a lot of ways to get banned accounts back. Being legalistic pays most of time.
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I don't understand all of the whining that's gone on in this thread. You got banned for cheating, suck it up and move on and maybe next time you'll think twice before you take stupid risks and then get caught. Also, NCSoft is under no obligation to "prove" to you what they caught you cheating with. Pretty damn stupid for them to do that actually. That's like the police sitting a bank robber down and letting them know how they screwed up and what ended up getting them caught. You cheated and you got banned. Whining about the big bad ebil company that 'wronged' you is laughable.
Interesting... Do you also take anything government says as gospel? How do you *know* that NCsoft hasn't made a mistake and caught some innocent people when they belatedly started wildly swinging their ban hammer around? Do you also assume that anyone who is "detained" *must* be "guilty"? After all, government(these days) is under no obligation to follow due process, and other such "technicalities" in its pursuit of the "guilty"... I'm always amused and amazed that so many people take your perspective. Not only in regards to game companies, but just about any other such groups.
I can see you didnt read this thread whatsoever let alone my first sentence. I can strongly see you are a sheeple. You follow blindly and do what ever your told without question. You also believe everything that is told to you.
Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.
I see a forum sig in there somewhere :P
I see a forum sig in there somewhere :P
Id be honored
Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.
Oh the irony, as you are expecting people on here to blindly believe what you are telling us without question.
When we do ask the apparent questions that seem to not add up in your claims, you resort to flaming instead of addressing the accusations against you.
What a double standard we have here. People are wrong for questioning you, but when it comes to NCSoft you accuse others of following blindly without question.
The Ops post in another thread -
Yea i have a sin that would agree with u.
http://na.aiononline.com/livestatus/character-legion/search?charID=34616&serverID=10
Damn hes only got 3k+ kills and over 100k ap.
/Sarcasm off
When taken in the context of that thread I dont believe he is refuring to his own character. It reads to me that hes saying 'Sins dont all sux here I'll link one to prove it. The context of his post does not come across as him linking his own character. The telling line for me is "Damm hes only got 3K+..." If he were talking about his own character he'd have said "Damm I've only got 3K+..."
As for posting twice in the last 2-3 months when he said he had'ent been on these boards in months .. well big deal. Could'ent tell you how many times I've posted in the last months on these boards or any of the others I visit. So thats a moot argument too.
Now, do I believe that the OP is innocent? Maby. Not for me to decide, its possible that he's just been caught in a bannhammer move and if so then bad luck mate. Really only the OP knows for sure if he was cheating .. and "maby" NC soft .. I say maby for NC soft because in all honesty they are a bunch of retards who let scripts determin who's guilty and who's not with little to no actual human review.
These boards are terrible for people automatically assuming that anywho who cries "foul" about a ban is indeed guilty until it happens to them. Personally I've never been banned from any game ... though I've come across people who were, for what were later proven to be inaccurate reasons ... so I have no illusions that MMO companys DO make mistakes.
As I mentioned in my earlier posts, if he was wrongly banned then I do feel bad for him.
Just observing his actions, responses, etc, do his actions seem like someone that is honest and level headed? Not really. That only ruins the credibility and makes it pretty apparent that his goal wasnt to inform us of NCSofts wrongdoings but to argue and flame.
Furthermore, this isnt the place to "demand reactivations" so that alone gives the impression that this is just a troll.
Finally, I know people who were "mistakenly banned" in the game, so I know NCSoft does sometimes ban people by mistake. But I also know that upon investigating they DO actually investigate, and they reinstate the accounts. Heck, even if you have some violations on your account they DO reinstate you with a warning - just ask the legion leader of the #1 ranked guild on Siel-Elyos side.
They dont whip out perma-bans for a single violation. I only know of one person who really DID get a peremenant ban, and he openly admitted in our legion chat that he botted and got booted from guild because of that.
So if the OP recieved a permenant ban without anything in return, it's pretty obvious he has MULTIPLE violations against his account, and even upon investigation it was still deemed neccessary. I dont know the exact details of how they monitor for 3rd party programs, and they definately wont give out the info because then people would find a way around the detection, but people would not be getting reinstated if that was not the case.
Um. How would you kow the game sucked, (and if it does suck, it's because of people like you that ruin the player experience) if you didn't even play? You just said you botted. Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?
As I mentioned in my earlier posts, if he was wrongly banned then I do feel bad for him.
Just observing his actions, responses, etc, do his actions seem like someone that is honest and level headed? Not really. That only ruins the credibility and makes it pretty apparent that his goal wasnt to inform us of NCSofts wrongdoings but to argue and flame.
Furthermore, this isnt the place to "demand reactivations" so that alone gives the impression that this is just a troll.
Finally, I know people who were "mistakenly banned" in the game, so I know NCSoft does sometimes ban people by mistake. But I also know that upon investigating they DO actually investigate, and they reinstate the accounts. Heck, even if you have some violations on your account they DO reinstate you with a warning - just ask the legion leader of the #1 ranked guild on Siel-Elyos side.
They dont whip out perma-bans for a single violation. I only know of one person who really DID get a peremenant ban, and he openly admitted in our legion chat that he botted and got booted from guild because of that.
So if the OP recieved a permenant ban without anything in return, it's pretty obvious he has MULTIPLE violations against his account, and even upon investigation it was still deemed neccessary. I dont know the exact details of how they monitor for 3rd party programs, and they definately wont give out the info because then people would find a way around the detection, but people would not be getting reinstated if that was not the case.
That was my first and only violation. K thnx Also I havent flamed anyone. Funny how your sayin i came here screaming and kicking i want my account back even if i did i was heated IE the thread name. Im sure ud be pissed to if u were wrongly banned, and you spent all that money on a CE box and then months played.You made a new account just to flame me. So please DO NOT call me the troll and tell me im flaming.
As for the NCSoft not banning on first offense lmao at you my friend. You have no idea. They didnt even send a email out on a permaban do you really expect them to send out warnings? Come on now use your head. You know the thing you used to make this new account to flame me.
Also i never said no one can question me. Everyones got there opinion. To each there own. But for you to stand so blindly behind NCSoft i can clearly see your a fanboy, because your making every attempt to defend them when they are clearly in the wrong. (even if your think there are in the right with me) And some ways they are in the wrong is
1. No emails when your banned.
2. No GMs in game to contact.
3. No warnings what so ever if your doing something wrong.
4. Callin Cust Supp. Just to find out theyc ant help you after being on hold for 45 mins.
5. Emailing their support then them sending you an automated message telling you o well your beat we banned you we are always right your account is gone.
6. Banning me a REAL LIVE PERSON, when in Sanctum or Asmodian equivalent theres AFK stand advertising gold/PL websites.
I could go on and on. Now after a few days to a week im happy i got falsely banned. Because ive moved on to other games that dont require redundant things to get done. So please pull the NCSoft stick out from your ass and take a look at the bigger picture. Your godsend isnt a godsend.
Darkfalls so revolutionary it uninstalls itself.