I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state.
What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?
Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.
LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol
In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder. Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.
And beyond the point.
Look i could make a movie about a mass murder who slaughters thousands of people
it's haraleded as the next big action flick
I can make one about a canible who eats his victims for personal pleasure
it's a dark drama
i make one about 2 gay cow boys and
"Woah you can't go there!"
How about a gay abortion doctor gone wild? Doing abortions on unwilling pregnant women. Then having sex with their husbands. You could encompass the entire spectrum that way. Gay sex, legal murder and illegal murder. He could also slash a condom seller as well and call it corporate espionage.
Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Spooning sucks!
Always have to find that comfortable position for the other arm thats not spooning... and no matter what position (under the pillow, over your head, under your girl friend/boy friends head...) the arm goes numb and falls asleep. Then someone moves and you get that whole pins and needles thing going on...
BAN SPOONING!
As for the article, meh... I tend to ignore small sites like that with reporters who are just trying to get shock value attention.
Though I will laugh if this ends up on Fix- er, Fox news again like Mass Effect.
Haha, so true!
Anyway. Praise to these devs for having the guts to bring this out. It is all to easy to opt for the politically correct "I don't want anyone to become upset which might hurt our revenues" approach.
Let's examine the aim of people most RPG's focus on (in the M rated) catagories. Males 17+ . Legaly speaking not to mention all the middle schoolers who have horrible parents who don't care and get their kids what ever they want to play. What do we all like to see. Hmm I think lesbian sex ,nudity, alchohol, and drugs is a good start. With RPG's some additional gore. So lets see, I think people have over looked the themes of the past 5 years developement in RPG history ( 3rd person story based ones that is).
I will play this for the goodies, just as I played Witch Hunter for the goodies. Sooo, news needs to chill. This is just another game following the trend of making a successful and selling RPG. On a personal note, can't wait for DIablo 3. As it should be much the same, I still can't wait.
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
Im glad BIOWARE made this game like this and did not hold back on pathetic narrow minded views of how we should play this game. I dont see anything wrong in this game, its just a game nothing more. Im an atheist but still play DAO even tho its very religion involved with this MAKER crap but its just a game and its after all a part of how we humans live on this planet same with SEX hetro gay whatever. The pathetic part of this all is there more concerned about some tits, naked women/man then violence. I wonder those who making a big fuss about this are prolly some creepy sex offenders themselfs. Bring more SEX to game i say:P
Maybe people dont have anything against sex per se but rather think it is something private that you share with your significant other (or others if you are so inclined). Why do I have to see it in a video game?
It is not like porn is not readily available on the internet.
When I play a fantasy game I want to slay orcs/trolls/dragons and use magic. I dont want to watch some pseudo porn crap. I have ton of porn torrent sites that does that a million times better.
If you have played these games you would know you can easily avoid any romantic or sexual material in the Bioware games. In fact it takes effort on the part of the player to engage the NPCs in romace or sex. So if you aren't intersrted in that you will not accidentally end up viewing or particpating in those evennt.
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First of all, my apologizes in advance, I'm international student and my english isn't perfect.
I find really funny that so many sources are focus in this kind of "game controversy" specially Newspapers and TV News. The sex scene in the game isn't forced you have to flirt for several minutes with a person to see that sex scene. After all the sex scene it's nothing (in my opinion). Either way if you are straight and you feel like homosexuality is the worst that happened to humanity since Adam Lambert or Jon Stewart, if you enjoy your FOX NEWS everyday, I don't know what the XXXX are you doing flirting with a dude in a video game (If your name is Joey DiFatta I understand). Personally I respect a hater, I respect someone that hates a specific minority for no reason, it's your decision. What I don't respect is an hypocrite. Some that say's abortion is wrong but death penalty is ok, someone that says homosexuality is wrong because the old testament says so and have a dog in the house or is divorced (both are against the old testament too).
What upsets me more is the time and money that all these Newspapers are expending trying to find a controversy where there wasn't. Uganda for example is getting ready for passing death penalty to homosexuals and HIV +, no matter what age they have. I understand and I respect your personal believes, but I want to think that for one single time, for just one damn single time we can agree in the fact that genocide is wrong, no matter how amoral you think your brother is. Where are the reporters when we are at the doors of a genocide, where is the article of WorldNewsDaily talking about this? Oh yeah, they are too busy because two 3D elves are boinking each other. It's better wait until you have thousands of underage corpses so you can have a disgusting article saying how sorry you are.
If you judge people, you have no time to love them (Mother Teresa)
Wow! This discussion has gotten really jumbled up, but as with sex being integrated into almost everything out there so is politics. The argument about sex vs. amount of content is at best fodder, because by adding the sexual content you are adding content and to say that the developers could forgo the sexual content and add more (better) content is a matter of opinion I for one like the fact that they added sexual content to ADULT games. Not for any sexual pleasure, but to distinguish my games from my children's games if you don't want it then don't play it, play Zelda or something else, if you don't want your children to play it don't hand them money blindly and hope some cashier (probably a kid themselves) does your parenting for you. Since Mario saved the princess sex has been on it's way into the video games (kisses, little hearts, etc). Please don't bring politics into this, leave them out, regulate and decide for yourselves what you want in a game, if we as a mass don't want it, we won't buy it and they'll change direction and gravitate towards something else. But as we have seen this point is moot also because sex sells, it always has, it always will. No matter your sexuality you are wired to "do it", once puberty hits it slowly but surely becomes part of most if not all of our decisions, to the point that if sex isn't part of your thoughts many psychologists say you have a problem ( a disorder of some sort). So back to basics: sex sells, if it didn't they would use it to sell everything out there. If you don't like it don't buy that product but quit bi**hing because I would rather see two toons have sex than to have to listen to bi**hing and moaning.
P.S. Condoms? come on way off subject there peeps! VIDEO GAME FORUM! Not a town hall meeting on whether sex ed is right or wrong! If you want deal with that subject get off your a**es and get involved in your community, child's school or even politics! But not here, not now!
I have nothing against the game, I'm an adult, I'm not challenged by pixels.
However the writer(s?) on website which called it "dirty gay sex" should be condemned as a bigot and a homophobe. He/she didn't criticize the game for its "dirty straight sex," did they?
It's all free publicity IMO. All they managed to do is make even more people to buy the game.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
It's all free publicity IMO. All they managed to do is make even more people to buy the game.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state.
What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?
Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.
LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol
In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder. Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.
Legal definition, if you want to be picky.
But still does not understand how that relates to sex in society.
Scroll back a few posts. It was stated that many people have less trouble with sex than killing.
It's all free publicity IMO. All they managed to do is make even more people to buy the game.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
No, it was Scorsese. PASSION of the Christ was Gibson.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
It's all free publicity IMO. All they managed to do is make even more people to buy the game.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
No, no, I was talking about the The last Temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese (1988). In this movie Christ is present as more human. As a consequence of this a French Christian fundamentalist group launched molotov cocktails inside a movie theather and 13 people, 4 of them were severely burned. This sounds awful but these hardcore news helped the movie box office that wasn't doing that well the first days.
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
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This reminds me of long ago when the fit hit the san over the Demons in the original Dungeons and Dragons. “It’s promoting Satanism” the finger pointing society cried, 1D4’s were burned at the stake, Gary Gygax hanged in effigy, Sermons preached and a made for TV movie “Mazes and Monsters” hit the air. An organization Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons, BADD took up the crusade and the second edition’s monster manual, had the Devil scared out of it.
There are a number of players of Dungeons and Dragons Online, crusading for “Evil" alignments, however given the controversy over the D&D original that is unlikely to happen. Now “Dragon Age” is under attack for it’s sexual themes. I would bet the game is changed because of the pressure. “You never ask questions when God’s on your side”
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
I agree with you 100%. M means Mature. I never understand the censorship, don't want see violence? don't go to see a violent movie/video game, don't want to see sex? well don't watch it but let the people who wants to see sex and violence make their own decisions as adults. Your freedom ends when mine begins.
This reminds me of long ago when the fit hit the san over the Demons in the original Dungeons and Dragons. “It’s promoting Satanism” the finger pointing society cried, 1D4’s were burned at the stake, Gary Gygax hanged in effigy, Sermons preached and a made for TV movie “Mazes and Monsters” hit the air. An organization Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons, BADD took up the crusade and the second edition’s monster manual, had the Devil scared out of it. There are a number of players of Dungeons and Dragons Online, crusading for “Evil" alignments, however given the controversy over the D&D original that is unlikely to happen. Now “Dragon Age” is under attack for it’s sexual themes. I would bet the game is changed because of the pressure. “You never ask questions when God’s on your side”
Well, their book says "Don't judge, and you won't be judged. Don't condemn, and you won't be condemned. Set free, and you will be set free." My version says "GO HATE YOURSELF"
More right wing fanatics trying to impose their morals on everyone else. What's new?
Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives.
Then again, global warming is a myth. (lol).
Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Spooning! Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to when we can watch 2 males spoon in a video game. We are all doomed I tell you! Repent now!
Yes, spoony love. How dreadful it tis.
I seriously don't have an issue with people who have a set of values, morals, whatever you want to call it, and they live by them. Especially if those values don't infringe or try to dictate how others live.
It's when people like this get up on their soapboxes, virtual or on the street corner, is when I get upset. I don't go around spouting of my values and morals. I keep them to myself. I expect the same in return. If I ask you for yours, by all means, talk to my ears bleed. If I don't, then STFU.
Yeah, kinda like spewing liberal drivel on a gaming website. How oppressive.
Well, if you want to make an assumption on my political affiliations based on that little information, then I'll make one on your 53 years of age and being from Iowa. Vote for Palin again and see where it gets ya!
Wasnt just you i was referring too but considering how well Obama has worked out anyone including Palin might bring some of the "hope" your grasping for.
Not a chance in hell. The day she's elected is the day I move to Canada or England.
That's one thing I never understood about you guys. You want "everyone else" to shut up and let your guy finish their terms before they're judged yet hell has a chance of freezing over before you'll extend that same courtesy should your guy lose office. You want patience when your guy is in, and immediate results (with zero positive aid from your side) when the other guy is in.
I mean, seriously, there is no way you can compare the whiny droning of Al Franken, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow (all who annoy me but I give Keith slack because of his stint on ESPN) to the hate speech of Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, and Ann Coulter. Well, unless you are in lock-step with the latter in which case there is no point in discussing it.
As for "hope", I have none for this country as long as Rush, Bill, Shawn and Ann are on the television and/or radio and people still vote for a Palin. When a certain generation dies out and the "old ways" are gone and it's left to these young kids who exhibit a ton more tolerance than those in power right now...then, only then, might I have some hope.
I'm 32 now and I'm talking when/if I make it to 72 and above.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
I have responded to that and the reason is obvious. Children watching porn will get sexually aroused and then, obviously, would want to have sex (duh).
Where as children watching violence will not want to commit acts of violence (which has been shown in innumerous studies) as most people are not inclined to be violent where as most people are inclined to having sex.
So sex in media is far more influencing than violence in media.
Also please make the distinction between fictional sex and violence and real sex and violence. I doubt very much that you like real violence.
I will never understand this idea that it is more socially acceptable to murder a person than to have sex with one. I see it again and again. It confuses me every time.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
I agree with you 100%. M means Mature. I never understand the censorship, don't want see violence? don't go to see a violent movie/video game, don't want to see sex? well don't watch it but let the people who wants to see sex and violence make their own decisions as adults. Your freedom ends when mine begins.
Freedom does not triumph all. A society needs to draw boundaries if its for the good of the society, even if it affects your freedom.
However I am not arguing for forbidding sex and violence in movies/games. However I am arguing against cleverly disguising porn in a media that one would not expect to find it. And I for one had no idea that they had gay sex in this game and if they do then they should clearly state that on the box.
Not everyone is a liberal that enjoys watching deviant sexual behaviour you know. If you like to watch farm-sex, or whatever, then please go ahead and watch it, but I would like to be able to play a computer game and not be exposed to it. Freedom of choise includes having the choise NOT to do or watch things as much as it means that you have the right to do it.
i am offended by this thread why hasnt the moderator done anything about it it offends me, how come when i say something s..ks i get a warning but these guys are offending me left and right do something mister moderator.
It's all free publicity IMO. All they managed to do is make even more people to buy the game.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
No, it was Scorsese. PASSION of the Christ was Gibson.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
You are so right. I apologize! I saw Last Temptation, didn't see Passion. That's my only excuse for messing up. <bows head in shame>
I still dont understand how this article managed to get us.. those who dont really even care, and know the difference between what is acceptable to us in a _game_ for god's sake. Have us argueing, or rather debating amongst ourselves the difference between porn and sex in media...
Ugh, guess its 1 point for the right wing ultra conservatives... I cant feed em anymore.
You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
Really? So all these right wing republican's in the U.S who are anti-gay and dont want to 'god forbid!' teach the youth how to use a condom.. arent trying to impose thier social rules AND religious views on the public? What the hell ever happened to separation of church and state.
Right Wing republicans aren't religious at all. They aren't trying to impose their social rules or religious views on the pubilc.
Right wing republicans care about only one thing: Their corporate masters.
By pretending to care about these things, and by pretending to go against them, they gain the vote of the South. The south is no more religious than the rest of the nation, they just have more churches. Because it's not about religion in the south, it's about culture. People dont' care about their religion, they care about their roots, their culture, their beliefs.
It's all pretend manipulation. The republicans have had full control of the government before, but never did anything about abortion. Yet they constantly parade to be anti-abortion. Well, they are, and they DO vote against abortion law. But that's irrelevant because abortion was settled bigtime in Roe vs Wade. They have never done anything to overturn Roe vs Wade, the pillar of abortion law. Why? Because that would be stupid! If they fix abortion by destroying Roe vs Wade and overturning it to give their constituents what they want, they will LOSE ALL THOSE VOTES! because without abortion as a hot topic, all the christian right votes will start to split. By never doing ANYTHING to actually be anti-abortion other than insignificant things to save face, they retain all those votes because the south is so ignorant they don't realize the republicans actually DONT care and actually ARENT anti-abortion. They also fail to realize that the democrats, who help the poor, stop more abortion than the republicans EVER have. The #1 reason for abortions are the lack of money. Help the poor financially, and you stop a multitude of abortions. The republicans haven't stopped any, they just pretend to.
That is just ONE example of many that republicans do to manipulate the ignorant to retain votes. It's NOT a coincidence that the vast majority of republicans are rather rich or live in high poverty (ignorant) southern regions. This isn't saying that republicans are ignorant, but that they have been manipulated and because of their past and present ignorance they fail to realize they're voting for the wrong party. It only takes ONE generation of ignorant people to instill in their future generations a stern republican idealogy to always vote conservative. Afterall, people tend to vote exactly as their parents did.
And the South is ignorant. So Corporations buy out the Republican party, which in turn misinforms the South manipulating their culture to convince them of whatever they want to keep them from voting how they'd want to vote (democrat) and thus retain power, thus retaining money (corporate payment).
It has NOTHING to do with religion or social rules. It's all based on social manipulation to insure votes, which insure corporate payouts.
Firstly I agree with you completely.
BUT we are talking about sex in video games not hard politics.
So lets get back on topic
However I won't lie I quoted you to get this post in front of more people because I agree with it so much.
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I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
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What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state.
What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?
Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.
LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol
In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder. Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.
And beyond the point.
Look i could make a movie about a mass murder who slaughters thousands of people
it's haraleded as the next big action flick
I can make one about a canible who eats his victims for personal pleasure
it's a dark drama
i make one about 2 gay cow boys and
"Woah you can't go there!"
How about a gay abortion doctor gone wild? Doing abortions on unwilling pregnant women. Then having sex with their husbands. You could encompass the entire spectrum that way. Gay sex, legal murder and illegal murder. He could also slash a condom seller as well and call it corporate espionage.
Kevin Spacey as the gay rogue abortionist.
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Spooning sucks!
Always have to find that comfortable position for the other arm thats not spooning... and no matter what position (under the pillow, over your head, under your girl friend/boy friends head...) the arm goes numb and falls asleep. Then someone moves and you get that whole pins and needles thing going on...
BAN SPOONING!
As for the article, meh... I tend to ignore small sites like that with reporters who are just trying to get shock value attention.
Though I will laugh if this ends up on Fix- er, Fox news again like Mass Effect.
Haha, so true!
Anyway. Praise to these devs for having the guts to bring this out. It is all to easy to opt for the politically correct "I don't want anyone to become upset which might hurt our revenues" approach.
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Let's examine the aim of people most RPG's focus on (in the M rated) catagories. Males 17+ . Legaly speaking not to mention all the middle schoolers who have horrible parents who don't care and get their kids what ever they want to play. What do we all like to see. Hmm I think lesbian sex ,nudity, alchohol, and drugs is a good start. With RPG's some additional gore. So lets see, I think people have over looked the themes of the past 5 years developement in RPG history ( 3rd person story based ones that is).
I will play this for the goodies, just as I played Witch Hunter for the goodies. Sooo, news needs to chill. This is just another game following the trend of making a successful and selling RPG. On a personal note, can't wait for DIablo 3. As it should be much the same, I still can't wait.
My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
Maybe people dont have anything against sex per se but rather think it is something private that you share with your significant other (or others if you are so inclined). Why do I have to see it in a video game?
It is not like porn is not readily available on the internet.
When I play a fantasy game I want to slay orcs/trolls/dragons and use magic. I dont want to watch some pseudo porn crap. I have ton of porn torrent sites that does that a million times better.
If you have played these games you would know you can easily avoid any romantic or sexual material in the Bioware games. In fact it takes effort on the part of the player to engage the NPCs in romace or sex. So if you aren't intersrted in that you will not accidentally end up viewing or particpating in those evennt.
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First of all, my apologizes in advance, I'm international student and my english isn't perfect.
I find really funny that so many sources are focus in this kind of "game controversy" specially Newspapers and TV News. The sex scene in the game isn't forced you have to flirt for several minutes with a person to see that sex scene. After all the sex scene it's nothing (in my opinion). Either way if you are straight and you feel like homosexuality is the worst that happened to humanity since Adam Lambert or Jon Stewart, if you enjoy your FOX NEWS everyday, I don't know what the XXXX are you doing flirting with a dude in a video game (If your name is Joey DiFatta I understand). Personally I respect a hater, I respect someone that hates a specific minority for no reason, it's your decision. What I don't respect is an hypocrite. Some that say's abortion is wrong but death penalty is ok, someone that says homosexuality is wrong because the old testament says so and have a dog in the house or is divorced (both are against the old testament too).
What upsets me more is the time and money that all these Newspapers are expending trying to find a controversy where there wasn't. Uganda for example is getting ready for passing death penalty to homosexuals and HIV +, no matter what age they have. I understand and I respect your personal believes, but I want to think that for one single time, for just one damn single time we can agree in the fact that genocide is wrong, no matter how amoral you think your brother is. Where are the reporters when we are at the doors of a genocide, where is the article of WorldNewsDaily talking about this? Oh yeah, they are too busy because two 3D elves are boinking each other. It's better wait until you have thousands of underage corpses so you can have a disgusting article saying how sorry you are.
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Wow! This discussion has gotten really jumbled up, but as with sex being integrated into almost everything out there so is politics. The argument about sex vs. amount of content is at best fodder, because by adding the sexual content you are adding content and to say that the developers could forgo the sexual content and add more (better) content is a matter of opinion I for one like the fact that they added sexual content to ADULT games. Not for any sexual pleasure, but to distinguish my games from my children's games if you don't want it then don't play it, play Zelda or something else, if you don't want your children to play it don't hand them money blindly and hope some cashier (probably a kid themselves) does your parenting for you. Since Mario saved the princess sex has been on it's way into the video games (kisses, little hearts, etc). Please don't bring politics into this, leave them out, regulate and decide for yourselves what you want in a game, if we as a mass don't want it, we won't buy it and they'll change direction and gravitate towards something else. But as we have seen this point is moot also because sex sells, it always has, it always will. No matter your sexuality you are wired to "do it", once puberty hits it slowly but surely becomes part of most if not all of our decisions, to the point that if sex isn't part of your thoughts many psychologists say you have a problem ( a disorder of some sort). So back to basics: sex sells, if it didn't they would use it to sell everything out there. If you don't like it don't buy that product but quit bi**hing because I would rather see two toons have sex than to have to listen to bi**hing and moaning.
P.S. Condoms? come on way off subject there peeps! VIDEO GAME FORUM! Not a town hall meeting on whether sex ed is right or wrong! If you want deal with that subject get off your a**es and get involved in your community, child's school or even politics! But not here, not now!
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It's all free publicity IMO. All they managed to do is make even more people to buy the game.
This ^^^^^^^^ .
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Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
Really? As I said, killing is only murder if its not sanctioned by the state.
What if you killed someone because they refused to commit suicide after you demanded them to?
Oh, and the person helped feed starving children and their only possession was a piece of tape, which you demanded also.
LoL, just giving you a hard time :P lol
In either case, if it was sanctioned by the state, it would not be murder. Murder is a government definition. It seldom applies to its own actions.
Legal definition, if you want to be picky.
But still does not understand how that relates to sex in society.
Scroll back a few posts. It was stated that many people have less trouble with sex than killing.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
No, it was Scorsese. PASSION of the Christ was Gibson.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
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Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
No, no, I was talking about the The last Temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese (1988). In this movie Christ is present as more human. As a consequence of this a French Christian fundamentalist group launched molotov cocktails inside a movie theather and 13 people, 4 of them were severely burned. This sounds awful but these hardcore news helped the movie box office that wasn't doing that well the first days.
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
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This reminds me of long ago when the fit hit the san over the Demons in the original Dungeons and Dragons. “It’s promoting Satanism” the finger pointing society cried, 1D4’s were burned at the stake, Gary Gygax hanged in effigy, Sermons preached and a made for TV movie “Mazes and Monsters” hit the air. An organization Bothered about Dungeons and Dragons, BADD took up the crusade and the second edition’s monster manual, had the Devil scared out of it.
There are a number of players of Dungeons and Dragons Online, crusading for “Evil" alignments, however given the controversy over the D&D original that is unlikely to happen. Now “Dragon Age” is under attack for it’s sexual themes. I would bet the game is changed because of the pressure. “You never ask questions when God’s on your side”
What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
I agree with you 100%. M means Mature. I never understand the censorship, don't want see violence? don't go to see a violent movie/video game, don't want to see sex? well don't watch it but let the people who wants to see sex and violence make their own decisions as adults. Your freedom ends when mine begins.
Well, their book says "Don't judge, and you won't be judged. Don't condemn, and you won't be condemned. Set free, and you will be set free." My version says "GO HATE YOURSELF"
Apparently homosexuality is the root of all evil and is the most pressing concern to conservatives.
Then again, global warming is a myth. (lol).
Hahaha, there isn't even graphic sexual positions in this game like they claim. You kiss the person and lie down (with underwear and bra still on) and the scene ends!
Apparently the writers have something against spooning.
Spooning! Oh, the horror! What is this world coming to when we can watch 2 males spoon in a video game. We are all doomed I tell you! Repent now!
Yes, spoony love. How dreadful it tis.
I seriously don't have an issue with people who have a set of values, morals, whatever you want to call it, and they live by them. Especially if those values don't infringe or try to dictate how others live.
It's when people like this get up on their soapboxes, virtual or on the street corner, is when I get upset. I don't go around spouting of my values and morals. I keep them to myself. I expect the same in return. If I ask you for yours, by all means, talk to my ears bleed. If I don't, then STFU.
Yeah, kinda like spewing liberal drivel on a gaming website. How oppressive.
Well, if you want to make an assumption on my political affiliations based on that little information, then I'll make one on your 53 years of age and being from Iowa. Vote for Palin again and see where it gets ya!
Wasnt just you i was referring too but considering how well Obama has worked out anyone including Palin might bring some of the "hope" your grasping for.
Not a chance in hell. The day she's elected is the day I move to Canada or England.
That's one thing I never understood about you guys. You want "everyone else" to shut up and let your guy finish their terms before they're judged yet hell has a chance of freezing over before you'll extend that same courtesy should your guy lose office. You want patience when your guy is in, and immediate results (with zero positive aid from your side) when the other guy is in.
I mean, seriously, there is no way you can compare the whiny droning of Al Franken, Keith Olberman and Rachel Maddow (all who annoy me but I give Keith slack because of his stint on ESPN) to the hate speech of Bill O'reilly, Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity, and Ann Coulter. Well, unless you are in lock-step with the latter in which case there is no point in discussing it.
As for "hope", I have none for this country as long as Rush, Bill, Shawn and Ann are on the television and/or radio and people still vote for a Palin. When a certain generation dies out and the "old ways" are gone and it's left to these young kids who exhibit a ton more tolerance than those in power right now...then, only then, might I have some hope.
I'm 32 now and I'm talking when/if I make it to 72 and above.
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What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
I have responded to that and the reason is obvious. Children watching porn will get sexually aroused and then, obviously, would want to have sex (duh).
Where as children watching violence will not want to commit acts of violence (which has been shown in innumerous studies) as most people are not inclined to be violent where as most people are inclined to having sex.
So sex in media is far more influencing than violence in media.
Also please make the distinction between fictional sex and violence and real sex and violence. I doubt very much that you like real violence.
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What kind of nonsensical statement is this?
Go and kill someone and you will either end up in jail or receive the death sentance.
Have sex and.... at worst people will think you are a slut.
Oh yeah, I see how that is so much less acceptable.
I'm thinking the poster meant that they can't understand why the depiction of murder is more morally acceptable, than the depiction of sex.
I would agree in that I DONT understand how some people are fine with showing violence over sex.
Sex is far less immoral than violence against your fellow man. Many self proclaimed moral people will raise hell over a little skin shown but won't mention a gun battles, murder, and horrid violence.
I for one am a liberal who like sex and violence. I do believe it should be restricted to adults. Thats why we have rating.
If the moral people want to be cosistent any game with any violence should be M rated.
I agree with you 100%. M means Mature. I never understand the censorship, don't want see violence? don't go to see a violent movie/video game, don't want to see sex? well don't watch it but let the people who wants to see sex and violence make their own decisions as adults. Your freedom ends when mine begins.
Freedom does not triumph all. A society needs to draw boundaries if its for the good of the society, even if it affects your freedom.
However I am not arguing for forbidding sex and violence in movies/games. However I am arguing against cleverly disguising porn in a media that one would not expect to find it. And I for one had no idea that they had gay sex in this game and if they do then they should clearly state that on the box.
Not everyone is a liberal that enjoys watching deviant sexual behaviour you know. If you like to watch farm-sex, or whatever, then please go ahead and watch it, but I would like to be able to play a computer game and not be exposed to it. Freedom of choise includes having the choise NOT to do or watch things as much as it means that you have the right to do it.
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i am offended by this thread why hasnt the moderator done anything about it it offends me, how come when i say something s..ks i get a warning but these guys are offending me left and right do something mister moderator.
Actually you are absolutely right with the movies happens the same. Movies with bad box office during the first week have been help by controversy. The last temptation of Christ by Martin Scorsese or Brokeback Mountain by Ang Lee are good examples. Both movies were doing ok until controversy arrived then the audience multiplied by 10 the opening week.
Last Temptation of Christ was Mel Gibson, but I see your point.
No, it was Scorsese. PASSION of the Christ was Gibson.
However, I am probably going to get this game. A game with multiple choices and actual consequences for those choices? Sounds very interesting. The world is not strictly black & white, and it's good to see a game reflect this. ^_^
You are so right. I apologize! I saw Last Temptation, didn't see Passion. That's my only excuse for messing up. <bows head in shame>
You've got it really mixed up in your head.
Social conservatism & liberalism has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with economical conservatism & liberalism.
In fact, most of the political parties in the world that are right wing are social liberals. It is left-wing democratic socialists who actually WANT TO IMPOSE as many social rules and policies as possible.
Really? So all these right wing republican's in the U.S who are anti-gay and dont want to 'god forbid!' teach the youth how to use a condom.. arent trying to impose thier social rules AND religious views on the public? What the hell ever happened to separation of church and state.
Right Wing republicans aren't religious at all. They aren't trying to impose their social rules or religious views on the pubilc.
Right wing republicans care about only one thing: Their corporate masters.
By pretending to care about these things, and by pretending to go against them, they gain the vote of the South. The south is no more religious than the rest of the nation, they just have more churches. Because it's not about religion in the south, it's about culture. People dont' care about their religion, they care about their roots, their culture, their beliefs.
It's all pretend manipulation. The republicans have had full control of the government before, but never did anything about abortion. Yet they constantly parade to be anti-abortion. Well, they are, and they DO vote against abortion law. But that's irrelevant because abortion was settled bigtime in Roe vs Wade. They have never done anything to overturn Roe vs Wade, the pillar of abortion law. Why? Because that would be stupid! If they fix abortion by destroying Roe vs Wade and overturning it to give their constituents what they want, they will LOSE ALL THOSE VOTES! because without abortion as a hot topic, all the christian right votes will start to split. By never doing ANYTHING to actually be anti-abortion other than insignificant things to save face, they retain all those votes because the south is so ignorant they don't realize the republicans actually DONT care and actually ARENT anti-abortion. They also fail to realize that the democrats, who help the poor, stop more abortion than the republicans EVER have. The #1 reason for abortions are the lack of money. Help the poor financially, and you stop a multitude of abortions. The republicans haven't stopped any, they just pretend to.
That is just ONE example of many that republicans do to manipulate the ignorant to retain votes. It's NOT a coincidence that the vast majority of republicans are rather rich or live in high poverty (ignorant) southern regions. This isn't saying that republicans are ignorant, but that they have been manipulated and because of their past and present ignorance they fail to realize they're voting for the wrong party. It only takes ONE generation of ignorant people to instill in their future generations a stern republican idealogy to always vote conservative. Afterall, people tend to vote exactly as their parents did.
And the South is ignorant. So Corporations buy out the Republican party, which in turn misinforms the South manipulating their culture to convince them of whatever they want to keep them from voting how they'd want to vote (democrat) and thus retain power, thus retaining money (corporate payment).
It has NOTHING to do with religion or social rules. It's all based on social manipulation to insure votes, which insure corporate payouts.
Firstly I agree with you completely.
BUT we are talking about sex in video games not hard politics.
So lets get back on topic
However I won't lie I quoted you to get this post in front of more people because I agree with it so much.
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My rigid moral stance? LOL
I have 100 gig of porn on my HD and I regularly have sex with people who I am not married to.
That does not make me want to have porn in a friggin computer game. Why are you trying so hard to advocate for porn in a video game?
And as for changing the view of people here? I dont care less about that. I rather am trying to defend those people who may think it is inappropriate to have porn hidden in fantasy RPGs. Because you know, most, people play fantasy RPGs for other reasons than to see sexual acts (be it gay or otherwise).
In this age, with all the sexual liberals around, corps are trying to use sex to cash in on everything and that could lead to detrimental effects on the society. Such as STDs, unwanted pregnancies and sexual assaults all of which are among the highest ever in the recorded history in most countries.
Sex is not just sex but has consequences. It is easy to forget that will all the visual depictions seen in media and now it is spreading to fantasy RPGs as well. What is next, sport games? Fifa World Soccer with the player screwing each other after the game?
I'm not advocating porn, I'm telling you it is not porn.
You miss even the simplest points ....
You dont get to tell others what is porn or not. Lesbian sex between two hot, young women is considered porn by alot of people. It may not be for you but it is for many others.
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