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Star Trek Online: Exclusive: Jack Emmert Talks Klingons

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  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182

    Just because the game has a monthly fee does not mean you have to play forever.

    I have preordered, and maybe I will only play a few weeks...

    How many games without a monthly fee havent you finished in a few days or weeks at max.

    I really hope that the game has enough content for more than a few weeks, and I dontthink the doomsayers are right, I think there will be plenty.

    What I have seen so far makes me courious enough to preorder so I can play in middle of January.

  • roach5000roach5000 Member Posts: 77
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by roach5000




    How do you know its crap???? You havent played it
    Let's list a few points:


    RPG with only one class.


    You mean faction right??? Because I recall seeing a thread that people were upset that starships were classified by MMO classes
    Trek IP where you can't play anything but the captain.


    I get it. You want to be Nurse Chapel. We sitting in Sickbay waiting for soemthing to happen doesnt sound like fun to me.
    Captains own every ship they have unlocked.


    Im pretty sure you'd be upset if you worked hard to get that Constitution class but couldnt keep it because you leveled
    Cash shop+subscription fee


    Very little 'death' penalty.


    I havent read anything about a death penalty
    Two faction game with one faction having far less content.


    That's enough for me.
    exactly. Its already a bad game by your standards. So why fault someone who wants to actually see if the game is fun or not by their standards.
    Yet you were proclaiming doom on this game before the Klingon info came out. Seems to me that you had your heart set against hating this game.
    I was proclaiming it crap. I don't know if it will be a commercial failure. It might well be popular with non-fans of Trek.

     

    If its a crap game I wont be on it for long. However the advantage I will have is that I will dislike the game from having played it while you have allowed other people to influence your opinion.

    Only the devs, as it is all their information. And I won't have paid Cryptic to produce crap and do injustice to a fine IP.

    I didnt realize this game was the balance of power for Star Trek....that if it wasnt sucessful Star Trek was going away forever and never coming back.....yet the more you talk about this game the more free publicity you are giving it. Bad publicity is still publicity...and how many people are now going to try the game just because they want to see if its as bad as the naysayers proclaim.

     

  • h8erberryh8erberry Member Posts: 21
    Originally posted by roach5000


    I didnt realize this game was the balance of power for Star Trek....that if it wasnt sucessful Star Trek was going away forever and never coming back.....yet the more you talk about this game the more free publicity you are giving it. Bad publicity is still publicity...and how many people are now going to try the game just because they want to see if its as bad as the naysayers proclaim.

     

     

    Cool. I have 72 Ford Pinto I'll sell you for $500. I know people will tell you that it will explode and kill you if you get rear-ended but why not see for yourself?

  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Member UncommonPosts: 652
    Originally posted by h8erberry

    Originally posted by roach5000


    I didnt realize this game was the balance of power for Star Trek....that if it wasnt sucessful Star Trek was going away forever and never coming back.....yet the more you talk about this game the more free publicity you are giving it. Bad publicity is still publicity...and how many people are now going to try the game just because they want to see if its as bad as the naysayers proclaim.

     

     

    Cool. I have 72 Ford Pinto I'll sell you for $500. I know people will tell you that it will explode and kill you if you get rear-ended but why not see for yourself?



     

    Wagon or Hatchback?

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by JYCowboy



    Wagon or Hatchback?

    I don't want to appear negative, but those flames aren't painted on.

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • JYCowboyJYCowboy Member UncommonPosts: 652
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by JYCowboy



    Wagon or Hatchback?

    I don't want to appear negative, but those flames aren't painted on.



     

    Yep, and some dang fools street surf. I can't think of a better use for a wagon than to take 'em out of the gene pool. ;)

  • Xondar123Xondar123 Member CommonPosts: 2,543
    Originally posted by Talgen


    Could it be possible that what they are doing is a smart thing?
    This is how I see things at present
    Most developers work on a game for a very long time, getting in, or at least trying to get in all kinds of features, content etc for launch.. what if the game is a flop?   Thats a big investment on a risk.
    What I see Cryptic doing here is putting out a smaller game with basic features and content to create an income, to justify (hopefully) later adding the investment of more content and features.. if you think about it, its a smart business decision.  Well, IMO anyway.

     

    It's a well known fact that in the MMO industry the vast majority of money is made from initial box sales. That's because these box sales come with the first month of playing free. Now, if a company wants to retain subscriptions past the initial free month, then they have to give the player something to do to keep them playing the game.

    By putting out a "basic game" light on content and features Cryptic is shooting themselves in the foot with future subscription numbers past the first month. Emmert even says “My own philosophy with MMORPGs is that if you don’t have it at launch, you might as well not bother having it,” he then goes on to say that features added to the game after launch won't attract the large subscription numbers they want. Essentially, after the game launches, Cryptic announcing "the Klingons are now a full fleshed out faction in the latest free patch!" won't really attract new subscriptions unless they can do it in under 30 days after launch.

    So, Cryptic seems to be aiming for the huge initial box sales and low or modest future subscription numbers. Don't be surprised if this game is a ghost town after 30 days.

  • roach5000roach5000 Member Posts: 77
    Originally posted by h8erberry

    Originally posted by roach5000


    I didnt realize this game was the balance of power for Star Trek....that if it wasnt sucessful Star Trek was going away forever and never coming back.....yet the more you talk about this game the more free publicity you are giving it. Bad publicity is still publicity...and how many people are now going to try the game just because they want to see if its as bad as the naysayers proclaim.

     

     

    Cool. I have 72 Ford Pinto I'll sell you for $500. I know people will tell you that it will explode and kill you if you get rear-ended but why not see for yourself?



     

    well that doesnt really fit what we are talking about because there is plenty of evidence that a Pinto will explode based on it actually happened. Every calling this game crap has not played the game. This would be like telling you the 2015 Ford Mustang will explode when rear ended.

  • Bob_BlawblawBob_Blawblaw Member Posts: 1,278
    Originally posted by roach5000

    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by roach5000



     Bad publicity is still publicity...

     

     

    Tell that to Star Wars Galaxies.

  • I'll be extrordinarily generous to Jack and his vison for once.

    If City of Heroes had launched with PVP and Limited Villain play at launch it might have made for an overall better experience than the tacked-on klugdy mess City of Heroes can be at times.  It's took 5 years to get some of the more wierder designed decisions sorted out.

    That being said, from what I understand the PVP in Champions online is questionable at best and some of the powers feel like they've never been properly playtested.

    I'm hoping the PVP design of STO is more balanced.  Nothing kills PVP faster than perma-Stun/Hold-lock.

  • gekkothegreygekkothegrey Member Posts: 236

    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

  • MMO_DoubterMMO_Doubter Member Posts: 5,056
    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.

    "" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2

  • GyrusGyrus Member UncommonPosts: 2,413
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.

    Well actually - in another thread someone said this:



    "...You take Star Trek Online for example you are talking about, as I just played it this afternoon for the first time and under NDA can't say nothing, but just to think that its coming out in 2 months time and what is available to test in closed beta is just mind baffling.. No PvP testing yet, no crafting implemented yet, and lots of stuff turned off.. Its not evena beta that you can play at your leisure, its like set times.. What are we testing? Not the game, the friggan game is just being developed and tweaked, lol..How can you call this a beta test at all? What are we really testing or changing? The whole friggan game should be closed to finished in a closed beta and should be a game very well done and being polished. In a super polish test phase and game mechanics super fun overhaul type of way.. Nope, not today, we learned how to scam a buck with the bare minimum work, and learned to exploit the needs of a beta.."

    Truth?  Or attention seeking?  You be the judge.

     

    Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.

  • gekkothegreygekkothegrey Member Posts: 236
    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.



     

    Do you really think Cryptic has nothing better to do in the last month of development then cruise forms to see if someone in the beta is talking about it? Put down the retard sandwich my friend. If anyone without a retard sandwich reads this plz let me know I am trying to decide if I should pre-order. Thank you.

  • gekkothegreygekkothegrey Member Posts: 236
    Originally posted by Gyrus

    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.

    Well actually - in another thread someone said this:



    "...You take Star Trek Online for example you are talking about, as I just played it this afternoon for the first time and under NDA can't say nothing, but just to think that its coming out in 2 months time and what is available to test in closed beta is just mind baffling.. No PvP testing yet, no crafting implemented yet, and lots of stuff turned off.. Its not evena beta that you can play at your leisure, its like set times.. What are we testing? Not the game, the friggan game is just being developed and tweaked, lol..How can you call this a beta test at all? What are we really testing or changing? The whole friggan game should be closed to finished in a closed beta and should be a game very well done and being polished. In a super polish test phase and game mechanics super fun overhaul type of way.. Nope, not today, we learned how to scam a buck with the bare minimum work, and learned to exploit the needs of a beta.."

    Truth?  Or attention seeking?  You be the judge.

     



     

    Ya kind of worries me that the mmorpg guy only got to test it for 3hr. I mean they are only about a month from launch what is there to hide? I am just worried about pre-ordering another AOC. Before fan boys go crazy I am not talking about AOC now I am speaking of at launch. At launch AOC was wonderful for 20 lvls then hit a brick wall and was really crap after that.

  • ZerocydeZerocyde Member UncommonPosts: 412

    The people in charge of this game are idiots. Why is there even a time constraint on a freaking MMO? Do these people detest the idea of making money or something?

    "It is in your nature to do one thing correctly; Before me, you rightfully tremble. But, fear is not what you owe me. You owe me awe." ~Francis Dolarhyde

  • ArconaArcona Member UncommonPosts: 1,182

    Maybe they should make it F2P for 6 months instead of 1.

    Would that make you happy?

  • DanaDana Member Posts: 2,415
    Originally posted by Gyrus

    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.

    Well actually - in another thread someone said this:



    "...You take Star Trek Online for example you are talking about, as I just played it this afternoon for the first time and under NDA can't say nothing, but just to think that its coming out in 2 months time and what is available to test in closed beta is just mind baffling.. No PvP testing yet, no crafting implemented yet, and lots of stuff turned off.. Its not evena beta that you can play at your leisure, its like set times.. What are we testing? Not the game, the friggan game is just being developed and tweaked, lol..How can you call this a beta test at all? What are we really testing or changing? The whole friggan game should be closed to finished in a closed beta and should be a game very well done and being polished. In a super polish test phase and game mechanics super fun overhaul type of way.. Nope, not today, we learned how to scam a buck with the bare minimum work, and learned to exploit the needs of a beta.."

    Truth?  Or attention seeking?  You be the judge.

     

    I'd imagine this guy is lying, because some of the things he says are just not true. There is PvP testing, for example. I spent all night last night in it.

    I am working on a full preview, they had the test on 24/7 all weekend, and I got through the Lieutenant content and into some PvP. 

    Also, they lifted the limited press NDA we had. The article should appear Wednesday.

    Dana Massey
    Formerly of MMORPG.com
    Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 Member Posts: 2,931
    Originally posted by JYCowboy

    Originally posted by h8erberry

    Originally posted by roach5000


    I didnt realize this game was the balance of power for Star Trek....that if it wasnt sucessful Star Trek was going away forever and never coming back.....yet the more you talk about this game the more free publicity you are giving it. Bad publicity is still publicity...and how many people are now going to try the game just because they want to see if its as bad as the naysayers proclaim.

     

     

    Cool. I have 72 Ford Pinto I'll sell you for $500. I know people will tell you that it will explode and kill you if you get rear-ended but why not see for yourself?



     

    Wagon or Hatchback?



     

    Lol +1 for adding entertainment value to the forums ^_^

  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 Member Posts: 2,931
    Originally posted by Dana

    Originally posted by Gyrus

    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.

    Well actually - in another thread someone said this:



    "...You take Star Trek Online for example you are talking about, as I just played it this afternoon for the first time and under NDA can't say nothing, but just to think that its coming out in 2 months time and what is available to test in closed beta is just mind baffling.. No PvP testing yet, no crafting implemented yet, and lots of stuff turned off.. Its not evena beta that you can play at your leisure, its like set times.. What are we testing? Not the game, the friggan game is just being developed and tweaked, lol..How can you call this a beta test at all? What are we really testing or changing? The whole friggan game should be closed to finished in a closed beta and should be a game very well done and being polished. In a super polish test phase and game mechanics super fun overhaul type of way.. Nope, not today, we learned how to scam a buck with the bare minimum work, and learned to exploit the needs of a beta.."

    Truth?  Or attention seeking?  You be the judge.

     

    I'd imagine this guy is lying, because some of the things he says are just not true. There is PvP testing, for example. I spent all night last night in it.

    I am working on a full preview, they had the test on 24/7 all weekend, and I got through the Lieutenant content and into some PvP. 

    Also, they lifted the limited press NDA we had. The article should appear Wednesday.

    I can't wait to read it.  I'm enjoying the coverage of this game.

     

    Hey, any word on whether or not there will be an item shop?  I sure hope not.  I mean, I don't mind items like Capt. Kirk's 1966 boots or something, that have no combat advantages.  I just don't like paying a sub fee and then having to pay extra to get the biggest gun.

  • buegurbuegur Member UncommonPosts: 457

    Glad their being honest up front before the release, imagine the furior if this only became known after the release!  It's too bad they didn't have more development time for sure, but if the game is fun I'll play it with all its short comings.  After all waiting another five or more years for another developers attempt at a Star trek attempt is too long for me to wait if this one can do the trick.  Now I'm not going to give them a blank check and my patience has limits, so it better be fun at release and be dang quick to add in more content!

  • DanaDana Member Posts: 2,415
    Originally posted by ArcAngel3

    Originally posted by Dana

    Originally posted by Gyrus

    Originally posted by MMO_Doubter

    Originally posted by gekkothegrey


    I was just wondering if any of you have played the Star Trek mmorpg yet, and how do you think its comming along as they are about a month from launch now?

    Nice try.

    Well actually - in another thread someone said this:



    "...You take Star Trek Online for example you are talking about, as I just played it this afternoon for the first time and under NDA can't say nothing, but just to think that its coming out in 2 months time and what is available to test in closed beta is just mind baffling.. No PvP testing yet, no crafting implemented yet, and lots of stuff turned off.. Its not evena beta that you can play at your leisure, its like set times.. What are we testing? Not the game, the friggan game is just being developed and tweaked, lol..How can you call this a beta test at all? What are we really testing or changing? The whole friggan game should be closed to finished in a closed beta and should be a game very well done and being polished. In a super polish test phase and game mechanics super fun overhaul type of way.. Nope, not today, we learned how to scam a buck with the bare minimum work, and learned to exploit the needs of a beta.."

    Truth?  Or attention seeking?  You be the judge.

     

    I'd imagine this guy is lying, because some of the things he says are just not true. There is PvP testing, for example. I spent all night last night in it.

    I am working on a full preview, they had the test on 24/7 all weekend, and I got through the Lieutenant content and into some PvP. 

    Also, they lifted the limited press NDA we had. The article should appear Wednesday.

    I can't wait to read it.  I'm enjoying the coverage of this game.

     

    Hey, any word on whether or not there will be an item shop?  I sure hope not.  I mean, I don't mind items like Capt. Kirk's 1966 boots or something, that have no combat advantages.  I just don't like paying a sub fee and then having to pay extra to get the biggest gun.

     

    I don't have specifics, but yes, there looks like there will be a STO Store just like the Champions Store.

    However, the philosophy on the Champions Store has largely just been cosmetics or "making it easier." There was nothing gameplay related you could buy that you couldn't earn. I see no reason they wouldn't stick to that.

    Dana Massey
    Formerly of MMORPG.com
    Currently Lead Designer for Bit Trap Studios

  • GyrusGyrus Member UncommonPosts: 2,413
    Originally posted by Dana


    ...
    I am working on a full preview, they had the test on 24/7 all weekend, and I got through the Lieutenant content and into some PvP. 
    Also, they lifted the limited press NDA we had. The article should appear Wednesday.

    Good.  Because many of us are after some reliable information on what the game is actually like and how it plays.

    When you review your article could you please not miss steps?  Be clear and include what is not included.

    For example - it has been announced that the Klingons are PvP.  So, please don't make unclear statements like "The PvP was fun and fast paced".  That doesn't tell us who you played or who you played against?

    You really need to spell it out: "I played a PvP match with 5 other Federation Captains versus a force of 4 Klingon Captains.  The scenario was balanced by the  Klingons having larger and more powerful ships.  The Romulans were unavailable for play at this time..."

    This might sound demanding (and it is) but this game is already available for sale (pre-order) and we really should have a lot more information in this case.

    Nothing says irony like spelling ideot wrong.

  • cl0vercl0ver Member Posts: 122

    Ok, I played Klingon PvP ground and air missions last night for a couple hours.

    On the ground the Klingons have an odd disadvantage,  they cannot summon gun turrets that the federation can.  Every match I played the Klingons lost.

    The action is not fast paced at all.   Its just like the original  tv show.   You run  through very bland ship ala doom 1 style till you find you opponent.  Once spotted you stand there and press 1.  Its tab target so you cant miss.  No point in running anywhere as all it does is cause you to break LOS on your target and there for give your opponent  one or two more rounds of auto attack.

    Thats ground combat.   Auto attack,  No special moves, no using skills to your advantage.  No pressing other buttons.   You do get a special shot every 10 seconds and you can throw a grenade every 10 seconds.

    The animations are horrible.  I just cannot begin to describe how truly horrible they are.  

    Im not trying to flame.   Its Bad, Jim.   I loved Star Trek when I was a kid.  Like I LOVED it.   This is the absolute worse game I have ever played.    Ive played a lot of games.

    I think this game will shine with the strict PVE crowd that doesnt like having to press a lot of buttons in combat.  This is for people that like looking at the comeputer and pressing auto attack and then walking away for a few minutes. 

    In my opinion its a very very niche crowd.

     

     

  • Player_420Player_420 Member Posts: 686

    This is a bit late, but this IS monster-play - everything about the system.

    in lotro monster play has quests, territory, RAIDS (pve), and RAIDS (PVP)

    this guys so full of crap

    I play all ghame

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