In terms of best PVP game out its Darkfall, and will be for a long time (MO being designed more for RP supposedly).
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
QFT on so many levels.
Wouldn't be a problem with the article and have half the number of complaints if the title of the thread simply read "My top 5 pvp MMO's."
I've played every mmorpg out there and WoW is the only one to have fun combat. It is the most popular and lots of people have fun with PVP in the game and level up purely to do PVP and it's because it is the best. If these other games were so great then they'd be more popular but the fact is they aren't. Warhammer Online for example has a horrible combat system and it just doesn't flow and it ain't popular because of that.
For me combat makes PVP and WoW by far has the best combat, just a shame the killed World PVP.
First of all, do not say you've played every MMORPG, because I know you certainly haven't.
And it's the most popular because it's the best? No, sorry, it's the most popular because Blizzard found a great way to attract millions of casual players and carebears.
And by your logic, AOL was the best internet service provider for years because it had the most users, when anyone who knew anything about computers knew that it was horrible and avoided it like the plague. *eyeroll*
Fact of the matter is, there are plenty of other MMOs that have or had much, much, much better PvP then WoW will ever be able to accomplish. Most have already been listed so I won't list them all again, but the fact that you think PvP combat in WoW is better than, say, PvP combat in Darkfall, just makes me laugh my ass off.
How can you possibly put Eve ahead of Dark Age of Camelot ? Did you even play both games?
Sorry, any list that doesn't have Ultima and DAoC listed one and two doesn't deserve to be posted on a site that wants to be the number one MMO source.
How can you possibly put Eve ahead of Dark Age of Camelot ? Did you even play both games? Sorry, any list that doesn't have Ultima and DAoC listed one and two doesn't deserve to be posted on a site that wants to be the number one MMO source.
As others have said.... learn to read. Nowhere does it say something like this is MMORPG.com's official view on the matter, and these are the top 5 PVP games according to the company itself. It says right in the first couple lines of the post that it is his own personal view on what he feels are the best. its a little something called a personal opinion... everyones got one, including you. If anything, instead of crying "your opinion sucks, my games are better" with nothing to back it up, at least have the sense to say why your choice is better than his. Why is Ultima PvP so great? Why DAoC? Id be willing to bet if you did that and actually analyzed the specifics between your games of choice and other games, you wouldnt be so quick to jump on others for liking a game. Sure you may have enjoyed the PvP in a certain game more than others, but that doesnt actually make it the best or mean that it has the best PvP mechanics, it was simply your opinion of fun at the time.
How can you possibly put Eve ahead of Dark Age of Camelot ? Did you even play both games? Sorry, any list that doesn't have Ultima and DAoC listed one and two doesn't deserve to be posted on a site that wants to be the number one MMO source.
As others have said.... learn to read. Nowhere does it say something like this is MMORPG.com's official view on the matter, and these are the top 5 PVP games according to the company itself. It says right in the first couple lines of the post that it is his own personal view on what he feels are the best. its a little something called a personal opinion... everyones got one, including you. If anything, instead of crying "your opinion sucks, my games are better" with nothing to back it up, at least have the sense to say why your choice is better than his. Why is Ultima PvP so great? Why DAoC? Id be willing to bet if you did that and actually analyzed the specifics between your games of choice and other games, you wouldnt be so quick to jump on others for liking a game. Sure you may have enjoyed the PvP in a certain game more than others, but that doesnt actually make it the best or mean that it has the best PvP mechanics, it was simply your opinion of fun at the time.
It's on the front page of their website. Chill out fanboy, when it's one of the first things someone sees at their website than it should be considered as the sites opinion.
He posted the top 5 PvP MMO's, obviously it is his opinion of the games he has played. Yes, I disagree with his list and I'm glad you decided to jump in and flame me for having a opinion. DAoC and Ultima PvP is clearly the best because I said so and there shouldn't be any question to that. Since when does someone have to back up their opinion on this site?
In my opinion WWII Online Battleground Europe is one of the best PvP-MMOs. Its World War 2, pure, brutal PvP, no safe zones, one big zoneless world, cities can be captured and one side wins, one side looses. Like a soccer match. Player action counts.
This game is nothing but Pvp, it was the first virtual battlefield where first-person shooter, tank, flight and ship-simulations came together in one big online massive-multiplayer-world!
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In terms of best PVP game out its Darkfall, and will be for a long time (MO being designed more for RP supposedly).
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
ya well i cant say that this list is uncool as i tend to be seen ALOT on eve servers however i dont understand why people cant just say hell yes eve has the best pvp there is in any game atm. the thing behind any combat in eve is so masiv its hard to understand.. and you actually loose all ship and weapons etc when u die.. that in some cases can be months of hard work.. but thats maybe why some hate it... you actually loose all, so theres a major risk in pvp. not like the other child games out there where u risk nothing.. pvp is dangorous and it should be in all games.. why even bother to pvp if u do not ruing the other players day :P "sarcasm"
ah well. eve can be a hard game to start playing but when u first learn it wich takes a few days you will never leave it.. heck theres players from 2003. and yet they get kicked in the behind by players who has been on the server for a few months AKA goonswarm
its all major fun.. especialy the great alliance warfares.. epic combat with 1000 players in the same system fighting each other. now thats a mess....
the link below is epic 1500 mann fight... go see it lol... i dont know but could this happend in any other game plz enlighten me as i dont play anything but eve..
In terms of best PVP game out its Darkfall, and will be for a long time (MO being designed more for RP supposedly).
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Or, maybe they need to learn to read past the title Where the author states in plain English that it is his list and that you, the reader, may disagree and have your own.
People not reading the "whole article" is, unfortunately, representative of one of the many parts that is wrong with human kind in general this day and age. That and we've only been through like 20+ of these articles in the recent past and in many of them the author states it's their opinion and that the point of the article is to get people to discuss their own lists as well. No, instead the jack-holes of the world seize the opportunity to show their collective ass.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Details on Eve Online that lend itself to quality pvp:
Truly massive
Some fights have over 1000 humans involved A recent fight had over 1300 pilots, roughly split evenly.
55,000 is the max logged in at once in the one instance that is Eve Online.
Player organization sizes run from 1 man corps to 5,000+ man alliances. Coalitions of alliances can number in the 10,000-20,000 member range.
Eve does not coddle the weak
If you die, everything you had in the ship can be looted by anyone close enough to reach the wreck, friend or foe. If they aren't friends, you can shoot them, so justice is in the player's hands, not the game.
If you die without a clone, you can lose a month of skill training time.
Eve does not try to discern good people from evil for you, if you fall to a scam due to carelessness or being naive, lesson learned and move on. (exploits etc are bannable, I am talking about gullibility scams)
Eve takes time to do things on the biggest scales
To fly the largest ships in the game takes REAL YEARS of skill training to qualify, you cant peak character development, ever, much less a couple of months of grinding.
Nothing has the big stakes for losses that Eve does
The largest ship can be lost in several minutes if the pilot is very unlucky or slightly careless, just like the smallest ships.
The largest ships in the game could be bought illegally through isk buying. One such case a few months ago had a guy spending $10,000 (real dollars) for his new ship. It was destroyed by hostiles in less than a week.
There was a battle last week that had a RL cash value of ~$31,000 in ship and structure losses (the one with 1300 pilots involved)
Players can work for months to construct an Outpost (space station that is a permanent new part of the game) and lose it in a week or two to someone stronger.
Semi-Myth about Eve
"New players can never catch up". You can't, really... But that doesn't mean you can't blow the oldest player in the game up with a month old player. Ship type, tactics and circumstances matter far more than skill levels.
You can be good at something fairly fast, but you will need to be part of a group effort. Eve does have solo pvpers, but the real game comes with fleet fighting. All skill levels have a place in a fleet where they can excel.
Eve is a hard game, made for people who like a challenge. They embrace the philosophy that challenge is what keeps players interested for the long haul, and I believe they are right. Eve is achieving the ideals that early Ultima Online chased, until they made Trammel without giving value to Felucca. In Eve, the 'Felucca type space' (0.0 space) is where the money flow begins. The power struggles are for control of lawless space, and it can get crazy violent.
Lastly, Eve is made by CCP, easily the coolest developer on the planet. Each year the devs informally make a video to show the players who make the trip to Iceland for the annual fan fest. Here is this year's superb effort, for those who may have missed it:
In terms of best PVP game out its Darkfall, and will be for a long time (MO being designed more for RP supposedly).
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Or, maybe they need to learn to read past the title Where the author states in plain English that it is his list and that you, the reader, may disagree and have your own.
People not reading the "whole article" is, unfortunately, representative of one of the many parts that is wrong with human kind in general this day and age. That and we've only been through like 20+ of these articles in the recent past and in many of them the author states it's their opinion and that the point of the article is to get people to discuss their own lists as well. No, instead the jack-holes of the world seize the opportunity to show their collective ass.
It doesn't matter whether this list comprises the opinion of this author, you or your little sister.
It's an absolute piece of shit. It's based on apparently limited experience and it omits games that are obvious top 3 PvP games.
In short, no, the readers here are not idiots. They recognize that the list is some jackass opinion by some jackass who wrote an editorial. We just think his opinions are absolutely worthless.
In terms of best PVP game out its Darkfall, and will be for a long time (MO being designed more for RP supposedly).
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Or, maybe they need to learn to read past the title Where the author states in plain English that it is his list and that you, the reader, may disagree and have your own.
People not reading the "whole article" is, unfortunately, representative of one of the many parts that is wrong with human kind in general this day and age. That and we've only been through like 20+ of these articles in the recent past and in many of them the author states it's their opinion and that the point of the article is to get people to discuss their own lists as well. No, instead the jack-holes of the world seize the opportunity to show their collective ass.
It doesn't matter whether this list comprises the opinion of this author, you or your little sister.
It's an absolute piece of shit. It's based on apparently limited experience and it omits games that are obvious top 3 PvP games.
In short, no, the readers here are not idiots. They recognize that the list is some jackass opinion by some jackass who wrote an editorial. We just think his opinions are absolutely worthless.
Jackass.
So your saying its wrong for the author to state his opinion after telling us, the readers, that this is his opinion and it can/will differ from out own. Grow up.
Like many have said before EVE, DAoC and UO are PvP games but WoW and WAR?
I assume the author of the article just has limited experience with PvP MMORPGs? What about WW2online? Planetside? Shadowbane? And my personal favourite DFO?
I understand I'm not going to like every game he lists but I don't consider WoW a PvP game, more like a PvE with some carebear button mashing rock/paper/sicssors arenas on the side. As for WAR? Well I suppose it could've been worse, he might have put AoC at number 1!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
Darkfall deserves some recognition as its currently the best PVP option on the market. I wouldnt even consider WoW to have real PvP, its more like a mini game. no real consequence to any of it. DAOC had decent PvP 6 years ago, its hardly one of the best though. i'm cool with EVE being there it's offering something unique. Ultima, i dont think i have to say anything here we all know that deserves a spot. Warhammer ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? hmmm .... hmmmm .... well i guess this does make sense considering how many EA sponsored banners this site has. but this is basically WoW, so i don't have so say why that shouldn't be there.
This article was named "The List: The Top Five PvP MMOs" NOT "My List: My Top Five PvP MMOs". So you see, you didn't stick to the topic.
Opinions are great, but an article that deserves my time for reading, without making me go ballistic for the fact that it ignores convention of English words like: The List: The Top... have me wondering now about your ability to judge quality PvP at all. This is not an attempt at demeaning you whatsoever, but does call into question your clarity on the topic.
Would you care to try again? I mean, don't you think a better attempt is in order?
Please base the evaluation on certain criterion that can be reasonably argued vs. stinky buttcrack opinions. In my opinion, opinions are overrated. But in fact, opinions are highly valued thoughts that stem from situational awareness perspectives that have stirred emotional responses.
These opinions may be meaningful between friends; laying the foundation and reasoning in advice giving for selecting certain choices in life. Drawing them nearer to each other because social conformity plays a major role in the forming and shaping of communities.
Now, since I don't know you personally and I do not truly value your opinion by necessity, could you please be a little more scientific in your approach? I mean give me something to work with because I near completely disagree with your opinion for this list; especially from a scientific perspective.
Don't try to qualify your point of view to me. Quantify it. Beat me down with so many good points that I can barely lift my head off the ground to utter useless whispers of denial.
Sorry but you lost me at "Keep in mind that this list is my own, and your mileage may vary, but here then are my top five PvP MMOs" when in fact the assignment was "The List: The Top Five PvP MMOs".
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Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
QFT on so many levels.
Wouldn't be a problem with the article and have half the number of complaints if the title of the thread simply read "My top 5 pvp MMO's."
I've played every mmorpg out there and WoW is the only one to have fun combat. It is the most popular and lots of people have fun with PVP in the game and level up purely to do PVP and it's because it is the best. If these other games were so great then they'd be more popular but the fact is they aren't. Warhammer Online for example has a horrible combat system and it just doesn't flow and it ain't popular because of that.
For me combat makes PVP and WoW by far has the best combat, just a shame the killed World PVP.
First of all, do not say you've played every MMORPG, because I know you certainly haven't.
And it's the most popular because it's the best? No, sorry, it's the most popular because Blizzard found a great way to attract millions of casual players and carebears.
And by your logic, AOL was the best internet service provider for years because it had the most users, when anyone who knew anything about computers knew that it was horrible and avoided it like the plague. *eyeroll*
Fact of the matter is, there are plenty of other MMOs that have or had much, much, much better PvP then WoW will ever be able to accomplish. Most have already been listed so I won't list them all again, but the fact that you think PvP combat in WoW is better than, say, PvP combat in Darkfall, just makes me laugh my ass off.
Even tho WoW is included, it seems the auther made a list of real MMO's, not advanced Diablo clones
Besides WoW, each of the mmo's had meaningfull PvP one time or another.
In what way shape or form is GW a diablo clone? and what is a real MMO?
lol "Hibernia for life."
murphy has a sense of humor
finally a list i can agree on.
Albion forEVER!
Dem Hibbies?! Dem Albs?!
Screw that. Midgard or death!
We never let them take us, our realm we will defend...
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"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge." - Daniel J. Boorstin
This is an early april fools joke right?
any top pvp list that includes WoW and excludes Shadowbane and Darkfail has no credibility.
WoW is a carebear grindfest for magpies.
A game has to have real consequences to be considered a PVP game IMO.
How can you possibly put Eve ahead of Dark Age of Camelot ? Did you even play both games?
Sorry, any list that doesn't have Ultima and DAoC listed one and two doesn't deserve to be posted on a site that wants to be the number one MMO source.
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As others have said.... learn to read. Nowhere does it say something like this is MMORPG.com's official view on the matter, and these are the top 5 PVP games according to the company itself. It says right in the first couple lines of the post that it is his own personal view on what he feels are the best. its a little something called a personal opinion... everyones got one, including you. If anything, instead of crying "your opinion sucks, my games are better" with nothing to back it up, at least have the sense to say why your choice is better than his. Why is Ultima PvP so great? Why DAoC? Id be willing to bet if you did that and actually analyzed the specifics between your games of choice and other games, you wouldnt be so quick to jump on others for liking a game. Sure you may have enjoyed the PvP in a certain game more than others, but that doesnt actually make it the best or mean that it has the best PvP mechanics, it was simply your opinion of fun at the time.
As others have said.... learn to read. Nowhere does it say something like this is MMORPG.com's official view on the matter, and these are the top 5 PVP games according to the company itself. It says right in the first couple lines of the post that it is his own personal view on what he feels are the best. its a little something called a personal opinion... everyones got one, including you. If anything, instead of crying "your opinion sucks, my games are better" with nothing to back it up, at least have the sense to say why your choice is better than his. Why is Ultima PvP so great? Why DAoC? Id be willing to bet if you did that and actually analyzed the specifics between your games of choice and other games, you wouldnt be so quick to jump on others for liking a game. Sure you may have enjoyed the PvP in a certain game more than others, but that doesnt actually make it the best or mean that it has the best PvP mechanics, it was simply your opinion of fun at the time.
It's on the front page of their website. Chill out fanboy, when it's one of the first things someone sees at their website than it should be considered as the sites opinion.
He posted the top 5 PvP MMO's, obviously it is his opinion of the games he has played. Yes, I disagree with his list and I'm glad you decided to jump in and flame me for having a opinion. DAoC and Ultima PvP is clearly the best because I said so and there shouldn't be any question to that. Since when does someone have to back up their opinion on this site?
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FOR HIBERNIA
In my opinion WWII Online Battleground Europe is one of the best PvP-MMOs. Its World War 2, pure, brutal PvP, no safe zones, one big zoneless world, cities can be captured and one side wins, one side looses. Like a soccer match. Player action counts.
This game is nothing but Pvp, it was the first virtual battlefield where first-person shooter, tank, flight and ship-simulations came together in one big online massive-multiplayer-world!
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Life is too short to play bad games.
I'm guessing he's never played GW, hands down better pvp than any game he listed.
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Shadowbane > Everything else on that list.
UO is second place to me, and DAoC Mordred (not the RVR crap) is distant 3rd.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
ya well i cant say that this list is uncool as i tend to be seen ALOT on eve servers
however i dont understand why people cant just say hell yes eve has the best pvp there is in any game atm. the thing behind any combat in eve is so masiv its hard to understand.. and you actually loose all ship and weapons etc when u die.. that in some cases can be months of hard work.. but thats maybe why some hate it... you actually loose all, so theres a major risk in pvp. not like the other child games out there where u risk nothing.. pvp is dangorous and it should be in all games.. why even bother to pvp if u do not ruing the other players day :P "sarcasm"
ah well. eve can be a hard game to start playing but when u first learn it wich takes a few days you will never leave it.. heck theres players from 2003. and yet they get kicked in the behind by players who has been on the server for a few months AKA goonswarm
its all major fun.. especialy the great alliance warfares.. epic combat with 1000 players in the same system fighting each other. now thats a mess....
the link below is epic 1500 mann fight... go see it lol... i dont know but could this happend in any other game plz enlighten me as i dont play anything but eve..
www.youtube.com/watch
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Or, maybe they need to learn to read past the title Where the author states in plain English that it is his list and that you, the reader, may disagree and have your own.
People not reading the "whole article" is, unfortunately, representative of one of the many parts that is wrong with human kind in general this day and age. That and we've only been through like 20+ of these articles in the recent past and in many of them the author states it's their opinion and that the point of the article is to get people to discuss their own lists as well. No, instead the jack-holes of the world seize the opportunity to show their collective ass.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
Details on Eve Online that lend itself to quality pvp:
Truly massive
Some fights have over 1000 humans involved A recent fight had over 1300 pilots, roughly split evenly.
55,000 is the max logged in at once in the one instance that is Eve Online.
Player organization sizes run from 1 man corps to 5,000+ man alliances. Coalitions of alliances can number in the 10,000-20,000 member range.
Eve does not coddle the weak
If you die, everything you had in the ship can be looted by anyone close enough to reach the wreck, friend or foe. If they aren't friends, you can shoot them, so justice is in the player's hands, not the game.
If you die without a clone, you can lose a month of skill training time.
Eve does not try to discern good people from evil for you, if you fall to a scam due to carelessness or being naive, lesson learned and move on. (exploits etc are bannable, I am talking about gullibility scams)
Eve takes time to do things on the biggest scales
To fly the largest ships in the game takes REAL YEARS of skill training to qualify, you cant peak character development, ever, much less a couple of months of grinding.
Nothing has the big stakes for losses that Eve does
The largest ship can be lost in several minutes if the pilot is very unlucky or slightly careless, just like the smallest ships.
The largest ships in the game could be bought illegally through isk buying. One such case a few months ago had a guy spending $10,000 (real dollars) for his new ship. It was destroyed by hostiles in less than a week.
There was a battle last week that had a RL cash value of ~$31,000 in ship and structure losses (the one with 1300 pilots involved)
Players can work for months to construct an Outpost (space station that is a permanent new part of the game) and lose it in a week or two to someone stronger.
Semi-Myth about Eve
"New players can never catch up". You can't, really... But that doesn't mean you can't blow the oldest player in the game up with a month old player. Ship type, tactics and circumstances matter far more than skill levels.
You can be good at something fairly fast, but you will need to be part of a group effort. Eve does have solo pvpers, but the real game comes with fleet fighting. All skill levels have a place in a fleet where they can excel.
Eve is a hard game, made for people who like a challenge. They embrace the philosophy that challenge is what keeps players interested for the long haul, and I believe they are right. Eve is achieving the ideals that early Ultima Online chased, until they made Trammel without giving value to Felucca. In Eve, the 'Felucca type space' (0.0 space) is where the money flow begins. The power struggles are for control of lawless space, and it can get crazy violent.
Lastly, Eve is made by CCP, easily the coolest developer on the planet. Each year the devs informally make a video to show the players who make the trip to Iceland for the annual fan fest. Here is this year's superb effort, for those who may have missed it:
Played them all and Darkfall should have made this list before WOW. Nothing against WOW it IS the best PVE MMO
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Or, maybe they need to learn to read past the title Where the author states in plain English that it is his list and that you, the reader, may disagree and have your own.
People not reading the "whole article" is, unfortunately, representative of one of the many parts that is wrong with human kind in general this day and age. That and we've only been through like 20+ of these articles in the recent past and in many of them the author states it's their opinion and that the point of the article is to get people to discuss their own lists as well. No, instead the jack-holes of the world seize the opportunity to show their collective ass.
It doesn't matter whether this list comprises the opinion of this author, you or your little sister.
It's an absolute piece of shit. It's based on apparently limited experience and it omits games that are obvious top 3 PvP games.
In short, no, the readers here are not idiots. They recognize that the list is some jackass opinion by some jackass who wrote an editorial. We just think his opinions are absolutely worthless.
Jackass.
Of course he did. But do you seriously think half the knuckleheads responding to this thread actually read and comprehended that part or the entire thread at all? Heck no. They look at the numbered bullets to see the game names and then get their undies in a wad and hit the "reply" button screaming for respect for their opinion or game but not willing to give any respect themselves.
Or more likely they read the title reasonably and expected that when a large gaming site publishes an editorial opinion of "the top five PvP MMOs from both the past and the present," the defacto expert might have, you know, actually played the big-boy PvP games before vomiting his opinion as to the best of all time.
If the clown hasn't even played games like Shadowbane and AC-DT, then he doesn't have a clue.
Or, maybe they need to learn to read past the title Where the author states in plain English that it is his list and that you, the reader, may disagree and have your own.
People not reading the "whole article" is, unfortunately, representative of one of the many parts that is wrong with human kind in general this day and age. That and we've only been through like 20+ of these articles in the recent past and in many of them the author states it's their opinion and that the point of the article is to get people to discuss their own lists as well. No, instead the jack-holes of the world seize the opportunity to show their collective ass.
It doesn't matter whether this list comprises the opinion of this author, you or your little sister.
It's an absolute piece of shit. It's based on apparently limited experience and it omits games that are obvious top 3 PvP games.
In short, no, the readers here are not idiots. They recognize that the list is some jackass opinion by some jackass who wrote an editorial. We just think his opinions are absolutely worthless.
Jackass.
So your saying its wrong for the author to state his opinion after telling us, the readers, that this is his opinion and it can/will differ from out own. Grow up.
Like many have said before EVE, DAoC and UO are PvP games but WoW and WAR?
I assume the author of the article just has limited experience with PvP MMORPGs? What about WW2online? Planetside? Shadowbane? And my personal favourite DFO?
I understand I'm not going to like every game he lists but I don't consider WoW a PvP game, more like a PvE with some carebear button mashing rock/paper/sicssors arenas on the side. As for WAR? Well I suppose it could've been worse, he might have put AoC at number 1!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
something stinks here....
Darkfall deserves some recognition as its currently the best PVP option on the market. I wouldnt even consider WoW to have real PvP, its more like a mini game. no real consequence to any of it. DAOC had decent PvP 6 years ago, its hardly one of the best though. i'm cool with EVE being there it's offering something unique. Ultima, i dont think i have to say anything here we all know that deserves a spot. Warhammer ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? hmmm .... hmmmm .... well i guess this does make sense considering how many EA sponsored banners this site has. but this is basically WoW, so i don't have so say why that shouldn't be there.
so what does all this come down to.....
well my friends it comes down to Darkfall
Dear William Myrphy,
This article was named "The List: The Top Five PvP MMOs" NOT "My List: My Top Five PvP MMOs". So you see, you didn't stick to the topic.
Opinions are great, but an article that deserves my time for reading, without making me go ballistic for the fact that it ignores convention of English words like: The List: The Top... have me wondering now about your ability to judge quality PvP at all. This is not an attempt at demeaning you whatsoever, but does call into question your clarity on the topic.
Would you care to try again? I mean, don't you think a better attempt is in order?
Please base the evaluation on certain criterion that can be reasonably argued vs. stinky buttcrack opinions. In my opinion, opinions are overrated. But in fact, opinions are highly valued thoughts that stem from situational awareness perspectives that have stirred emotional responses.
These opinions may be meaningful between friends; laying the foundation and reasoning in advice giving for selecting certain choices in life. Drawing them nearer to each other because social conformity plays a major role in the forming and shaping of communities.
Now, since I don't know you personally and I do not truly value your opinion by necessity, could you please be a little more scientific in your approach? I mean give me something to work with because I near completely disagree with your opinion for this list; especially from a scientific perspective.
Don't try to qualify your point of view to me. Quantify it. Beat me down with so many good points that I can barely lift my head off the ground to utter useless whispers of denial.
Sorry but you lost me at "Keep in mind that this list is my own, and your mileage may vary, but here then are my top five PvP MMOs" when in fact the assignment was "The List: The Top Five PvP MMOs".
Thanks,
Carrara
# 1 Shadowbane
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