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  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by annxii

    oki end of discussion, it's BETA and NDA was broken! let's find the authors and kill them and remember what beta means!!



    no.  I actually would like to know who the guy is so I can thank him for letting the thousands of us in on what the hell is going on.
  • GreatnessGreatness Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    I wouldn't really be surprised if this game got cancelled either(like someone else said "Pull a WISH"). They might fall under the pressure, since they have told us so much stuff to expect, and maybe not all of it will be there.

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  • annxiiannxii Member Posts: 24


    Originally posted by Thoro
    Originally posted by annxii
    oki end of discussion, it's BETA and NDA was broken! let's find the authors and kill them and remember what beta means!!no. I actually would like to know who the guy is so I can thank him for letting the thousands of us in on what the hell is going on.

    well there I must partly agree with you. I would also like to know who the #¤%&$£ was that leaked that shit!?
  • aeric67aeric67 Member UncommonPosts: 798

    Is D&L using the point-and-click movement? If so, I will stop following it right now. That is the most obscene method of control ever conceived for a 3D environment, in my opinion...

  • OrccOrcc Member Posts: 3,043

    No, its WASD, arrow keys, OR point and click movement.

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  • GreatnessGreatness Member UncommonPosts: 2,188
    If it was point and click, it would kind of ruin the image of good combat.

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  • blacksacblacksac Member Posts: 1,045

     

    Well you wont get the people enjoying the beta, and doing the right thing(working with the Devs), doing anything to harm their beta account... so I guess you wont get balance here.

  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by blacksac

     
    Well you wont get the people enjoying the beta, and doing the right thing(working with the Devs), doing anything to harm their beta account... so I guess you wont get balance here.



    People don't want to know if they are enjoying the game.  That's a matter of opinion.  What we want to know what this guy commented on.  Things like chopiness and lagness in combat,  movement and overall play.  Wish had it and it sucked.  DnL devs are just gutless trying to hide behind their NDA at this point especially if they are sticking to their self proclaimed release date.  What a f ing joke.  I was so ready for this game.  Now I am beginning to think this is just a crock of sh@t
  • vash85vash85 Member Posts: 75

    But do you believe every word that he said? If backed up with a source or links, I would, but he didn't. I don't believe him and no one else should. NDA is up and running people.

    They stated that DnL is going to release by April/May of this year. By that time, they would have spent 19/20 months in beta, little over a year and a half.

    AND, on their forum, they have said there are currently 1350 betatesters, which they picked in 2003 (in 12/07/04 they add 600 more).

    During that state of the game, where 750 people were picked, it could be that people dropped out because of the lack of content and so forth (the game is still fresh; content is kept at a min.). So, what they did is they brought in 600 more in 2004, because of the lack of people testing.

    What gets me is, that people that sign-up and get into betas, are the people that get to try out (which to test) the game, before everyone else does. Even if I'm wrong or not, but it could be that a good number of people didn't even care about reporting in bugs, glitches, and all that stuff. To them it is a free ride and they are probably not enjoying it as they like it to. Which leads to people quiting. That's not what it is.

    To me, beta is work. Your working to find these bugs and glitches, which at the end can make the game more playable. Not only that your working, but you also trying to have fun (or make it fun) while working. No game, that is in beta, shouldn't be about "all work and no play". Making a game more bug free and more enjoyable is the key and every betatester should help to imply that.

    That's my understanding to the whole thing.

  • blacksacblacksac Member Posts: 1,045



    Originally posted by Thoro



    Originally posted by blacksac

     
    Well you wont get the people enjoying the beta, and doing the right thing(working with the Devs), doing anything to harm their beta account... so I guess you wont get balance here.


    People don't want to know if they are enjoying the game.  That's a matter of opinion.  What we want to know what this guy commented on.  Things like chopiness and lagness in combat,  movement and overall play.  Wish had it and it sucked.  DnL devs are just gutless trying to hide behind their NDA at this point especially if they are sticking to their self proclaimed release date.  What a f ing joke.  I was so ready for this game.  Now I am beginning to think this is just a crock of sh@t



    Did you read his second post... he wrote

    add this :

    "it is still very early into its beta life"

     

    I would say if these quotes are real, he made them a long time ago, and not this year.

    Look at this for lag and game play elements... the visuals can at least speak out  

    http://www.darkandlight.net/videos/E3_Trailer_lowdef.avi (62MB, DivX) image

     

  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by blacksac



    Originally posted by Thoro



    Originally posted by blacksac

     
    Well you wont get the people enjoying the beta, and doing the right thing(working with the Devs), doing anything to harm their beta account... so I guess you wont get balance here.


    People don't want to know if they are enjoying the game.  That's a matter of opinion.  What we want to know what this guy commented on.  Things like chopiness and lagness in combat,  movement and overall play.  Wish had it and it sucked.  DnL devs are just gutless trying to hide behind their NDA at this point especially if they are sticking to their self proclaimed release date.  What a f ing joke.  I was so ready for this game.  Now I am beginning to think this is just a crock of sh@t



    Did you read his second post... he wrote

    add this :

    "it is still very early into its beta life"

     

    I would say if these quotes are real, he made them a long time ago, and not this year.

    Look at this for lag and game play elements... the visuals can at least speak out  

    http://www.darkandlight.net/videos/E3_Trailer_lowdef.avi (62MB, DivX) image

     




    This far along in the game they should be releasing info on this stuff by now....unless the info they have is not good news.
  • NecroticNecrotic Member UncommonPosts: 22

    Well I dont know what game developments you have been involved with. But an alpha is where you test the inital builds of the enviroment and the engine. The purpose of beta is to incorporate and test all of the content. This isnt an open beta, its not meant to have all the content inside already.
    I want people to realise that this is not some big company, this is an independant group with some financial backing ofcourse but They cant simply hire an army of coders, instead it takes them time.
    Personally I wouldnt take the release date serious, I expect them to delay(like they all do) simply by the way the beta phases are progressing. They said they were going to add 5000 in december, and its febuary and I dont think they added all those people, just a fraction of it. They are starting to get the word out, like the beta giveaways for a couple of gaming sites, but I do think its gonna get delayed.
    The devs are very aware that if they pull off a horizon or any of the sort the game is going to die, because the players can take that once but not twice. Better than speculate, why dont we wait and see? Theres lots of time ahead, keep an eye out for the game but just relax. Its not as if you had pre-ordered it or anything.
    Edit: They have had problems releasing info. So they have Hired a company to take care of all the PR work. This is where AD comes in. However the Devs still are the ones that provide the info to be given out and theyre all busting their humps to finish the game. I think they even work on sundays.

  • DerfelCadarnDerfelCadarn Member Posts: 875


    Originally posted by blacksac
    Originally posted by Thoro
    Originally posted by blacksac

    Well you wont get the people enjoying the beta, and doing the right thing(working with the Devs), doing anything to harm their beta account... so I guess you wont get balance here.People don't want to know if they are enjoying the game. That's a matter of opinion. What we want to know what this guy commented on. Things like chopiness and lagness in combat, movement and overall play. Wish had it and it sucked. DnL devs are just gutless trying to hide behind their NDA at this point especially if they are sticking to their self proclaimed release date. What a f ing joke. I was so ready for this game. Now I am beginning to think this is just a crock of sh@t
    Did you read his second post... he wrote
    add this :
    "it is still very early into its beta life"

    I would say if these quotes are real, he made them a long time ago, and not this year.
    Look at this for lag and game play elements... the visuals can at least speak out
    http://www.darkandlight.net/videos/E3_Trailer_lowdef.avi (62MB, DivX) image


    Im sorry but these trailers are just intentented to impress people and have very little base in the real life game. They only show only what they want you to see and show places with some content even theough the game probaly is missing 90 percent of it. Look at any pre-overhyped game like EQ2, WoW among others. Any mmorpg can make a decent looking trailer but it can be a horriable game.

  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by DerfelCadarn




    Originally posted by blacksac


    Originally posted by Thoro

    Originally posted by blacksac

    Well you wont get the people enjoying the beta, and doing the right thing(working with the Devs), doing anything to harm their beta account... so I guess you wont get balance here.
    People don't want to know if they are enjoying the game. That's a matter of opinion. What we want to know what this guy commented on. Things like chopiness and lagness in combat, movement and overall play. Wish had it and it sucked. DnL devs are just gutless trying to hide behind their NDA at this point especially if they are sticking to their self proclaimed release date. What a f ing joke. I was so ready for this game. Now I am beginning to think this is just a crock of sh@t

    Did you read his second post... he wrote
    add this :
    "it is still very early into its beta life"

    I would say if these quotes are real, he made them a long time ago, and not this year.
    Look at this for lag and game play elements... the visuals can at least speak out
    http://www.darkandlight.net/videos/E3_Trailer_lowdef.avi (62MB, DivX) image



    Im sorry but these trailers are just intentented to impress people and have very little base in the real life game. They only show only what they want you to see and show places with some content even theough the game probaly is missing 90 percent of it. Look at any pre-overhyped game like EQ2, WoW among others. Any mmorpg can make a decent looking trailer but it can be a horriable game.



    I agree man.  It's nothing more then window dressing.  Some substance about gameplay info is long overdue.
  • ShivalynShivalyn Member Posts: 12


    The thing is, they have 40,000 sq. km! There are only less than like 5,000 testers probably lol! One of the quotes said they only met like two people! TWO PEOPLE! They need more testers first of all, to test partying, and territories and things like that! Also, someone said the combat was messed up, do not complain to us, complain to them! Seriously.

    Well I'm sure the devs and the players are able to warp around. HE may have only seen two people, but he also comes off as a dumbass to me so he probably didn't know how to even find the people. I mean he couldn't even get combat to work, how hard could combat possibly be.

    Also have ya'll ever thought that perhaps the devs just don't want to release every bit of info on the game?

  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by Shivalyn




    The thing is, they have 40,000 sq. km! There are only less than like 5,000 testers probably lol! One of the quotes said they only met like two people! TWO PEOPLE! They need more testers first of all, to test partying, and territories and things like that! Also, someone said the combat was messed up, do not complain to us, complain to them! Seriously.

    Well I'm sure the devs and the players are able to warp around. HE may have only seen two people, but he also comes off as a dumbass to me so he probably didn't know how to even find the people. I mean he couldn't even get combat to work, how hard could combat possibly be.

    Also have ya'll ever thought that perhaps the devs just don't want to release every bit of info on the game?



    "everybit of info".  Are you kidding me?  Go to their site.  Even the die hards are getting tired of the lack of info they are getting.
  • ShivalynShivalyn Member Posts: 12

    dude I've been here for 2 and a half years, I know how much info is given


    It used to be a LOT worse, trust me. It wouldn't kill them to release more info sure but I really do not want them to tell us everything about the races and classes, that just ruins the surprise and gives people more time to make their power gaming template

  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by Shivalyn

    dude I've been here for 2 and a half years, I know how much info is given

    It used to be a LOT worse, trust me. It wouldn't kill them to release more info sure but I really do not want them to tell us everything about the races and classes, that just ruins the surprise and gives people more time to make their power gaming template



    Dude, that fact that at used to be alot worse means nothing to me and alot of others.  We are getting closer to release.  I see you point about info on classes and races and agree with you.  But how the game plays?  I think its long past time for that info.
  • radlinradlin Member Posts: 266



    Originally posted by EonNachtgot

    "Sadly, battles in Dark and Light do not share the same beauty as the land on which they happen. Thanks to choppy animations, the enemy will often end up sliding up to you instead of actually sludging through the snow to attack. Spells, though massively animated, look less flashy and more like an experiment with lens flares in Photoshop. Combat is less about strategy and more about exploiting bad engines, as the player must first find the monster to target it."
    "If the player manages to survive against a difficult monster long enough to find them in the enveloping darkness, they may just die trying to figure out how to attack."
    "Another fallback for Dark and Light is its massive size. Upon playing the beta for over two weeks, this writer only spotted two other players. With the massiveness of the world of Ganareth, parties may be most difficult to find for a player"
    "The beta lacks any noticable quest implementation, the developers have decreed that there will be no cave indoor areas, and NPCs are completely absent. Finding another player to trade with is almost a quest in itself inside the large world of Ganareth. Though it does show tremendous amounts of promise, the beta's gameplay doesn't seem to offer anything more than pretty landscapes and multiple forms of transportation."

    ...And Go




    image  Mark my words that I have played the beta and been booted a few weeks ago.  And NONE of this is true except that the land is vast and expansive. Other players are extremely easy to find.. granted you are not hopelessly lost lol. But even if you are lost you can type a command to go to the nearest town (beta only command)

    This guy is obviously nothing but a trouble maker and has not played this beta, nor has anyone that he has quoted.  I have played the beta and this is all total bullspit. 

    Get a life LOSER and stop flaming games which you know nothing about or have never played. I hope he gives me his in game name when he decides to actually play it after it is released so other players can see his name to be and then go slaughter his faggot lying ass 5,000 times in a row ( I won't be able to play  :[ ). 

    And this game will be out in April, guaranteed. It is ready NOW. None of what this loser speaks is true. This game is ready NOW and they are only adding polish to the game and fixing very hard to find little insignificant bugs. The game was very, very stable 3 weeks ago. I highly doubt that it has went 180 degrees in the other direction since then.

    Some people piss me off. I'd ask this dude to send his beta acct info out and let someone else play if he hates it so much, but I can't ask him for what he doesn't have. It is all lies and total ignorant flaming, trust me

    Am I saying that everyone will love this game? Hell no.

    This game requires skill, brains and concentration at times. Some people hate exploration. All of the people that hate to explore and only have enough common sense to think far enough ahead to click the macro A button or the macro B button will likely hate Dark and Light.

    For anyone desiring a completely skill based and challenging game where you can easily get lost in the sheer beauty and rugged wilderness will love Dark and Light.

    I won't be playing because I am going to Iraq very soon now. I wish I could play.  I just didn't have time to invest... or even to finish playing the beta, so I released honest info on gameplay and got kicked from the beta. 

    This game will however embarass DAoC, EQ2 and WoW. Trust me on this one.

     

  • rathmarathma Member UncommonPosts: 3,786

    I would only take impressions (and most of which are rumors) with a grain of salt.

    The only way to find out is to beta test the game yourself or wait until release and buy it.

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  • ThoroThoro Member Posts: 56



    Originally posted by radlin



    Originally posted by EonNachtgot

    "Sadly, battles in Dark and Light do not share the same beauty as the land on which they happen. Thanks to choppy animations, the enemy will often end up sliding up to you instead of actually sludging through the snow to attack. Spells, though massively animated, look less flashy and more like an experiment with lens flares in Photoshop. Combat is less about strategy and more about exploiting bad engines, as the player must first find the monster to target it."
    "If the player manages to survive against a difficult monster long enough to find them in the enveloping darkness, they may just die trying to figure out how to attack."
    "Another fallback for Dark and Light is its massive size. Upon playing the beta for over two weeks, this writer only spotted two other players. With the massiveness of the world of Ganareth, parties may be most difficult to find for a player"
    "The beta lacks any noticable quest implementation, the developers have decreed that there will be no cave indoor areas, and NPCs are completely absent. Finding another player to trade with is almost a quest in itself inside the large world of Ganareth. Though it does show tremendous amounts of promise, the beta's gameplay doesn't seem to offer anything more than pretty landscapes and multiple forms of transportation."

    ...And Go



    image  Mark my words that I have played the beta and been booted a few weeks ago.  And NONE of this is true except that the land is vast and expansive. Other players are extremely easy to find.. granted you are not hopelessly lost lol. But even if you are lost you can type a command to go to the nearest town (beta only command)

    This guy is obviously nothing but a trouble maker and has not played this beta, nor has anyone that he has quoted.  I have played the beta and this is all total bullspit. 

    Get a life LOSER and stop flaming games which you know nothing about or have never played. I hope he gives me his in game name when he decides to actually play it after it is released so other players can see his name to be and then go slaughter his faggot lying ass 5,000 times in a row ( I won't be able to play  :[ ). 

    And this game will be out in April, guaranteed. It is ready NOW. None of what this loser speaks is true. This game is ready NOW and they are only adding polish to the game and fixing very hard to find little insignificant bugs. The game was very, very stable 3 weeks ago. I highly doubt that it has went 180 degrees in the other direction since then.

    Some people piss me off. I'd ask this dude to send his beta acct info out and let someone else play if he hates it so much, but I can't ask him for what he doesn't have. It is all lies and total ignorant flaming, trust me

    Am I saying that everyone will love this game? Hell no.

    This game requires skill, brains and concentration at times. Some people hate exploration. All of the people that hate to explore and only have enough common sense to think far enough ahead to click the macro A button or the macro B button will likely hate Dark and Light.

    For anyone desiring a completely skill based and challenging game where you can easily get lost in the sheer beauty and rugged wilderness will love Dark and Light.

    I won't be playing because I am going to Iraq very soon now. I wish I could play.  I just didn't have time to invest... or even to finish playing the beta, so I released honest info on gameplay and got kicked from the beta. 

    This game will however embarass DAoC, EQ2 and WoW. Trust me on this one.

     




    Thanks for the info!  How is the gameplay?  The laginess chopiness issues?
  • radlinradlin Member Posts: 266

    The gameplay is extremely smooth on a DSL connection and my computer spec were a 2.4 Ghz P4 1 GB Ram, Radeon 9700, Windows XP SP2. 

    The spell effects are more dazzling than in any game I have ever played... mmo or single player. The impact of spells from high level players effects the whole area. The sky lights up, players are knocked backwards if too close, even trees and objects will sway and be blown away from the spell caster as the spell ignites. The realism factor is truly awesome.

    But warning for those younger players. I will say that my cousin that loves wow and daoc hated this game. He is a very intelligent 12 years of age and plays games constantly. While he was very intigued at the sight of the gameplay and gorgeously rendered graphics, the game was intimidating and frustrating to him. Being used to point and click mmos like daoc and playstation 2 video games I think it was just a might too challenging for him. He said it was made for "adults who like to work too hard at a game", lol. To me it was a good and desperately needed change in the direction mmos were headed. But i like difficult games that require more skill then clicking and require attention to detail. For example, wehn casting spells, you should not be close to a wall as spell damage can ricochet off the wall and do damage to you. Shields can deflect spell damage back at the caster as well depending on how the shield is used. A fighter has to to be very good to time the shield deflection back at a caster and also close in/or attack a caster however. If he simply tries to deflect all spell damage, the caster will find a spell that is powerful enough to knock the shield out of the warriors grasp and then he is toast as the fumble time will likely cost him his life. (depending on the power of each character ofcourse - this is assuming an even fight) Casters are very weak though and a perfectly timed shield used as a weapon in battle (the warrior slings his shield at the caster) can knock the caster down to the ground with health loss, but more importantly this makes for almost quad-tripple the damage of a warriors mace or sword as a caster is defensless laying on the ground. This is the kind of fighting I speak of that can easily frustrate younger players. The monsters are also very intelligent and can quickly figure out a caster from a warrior and use ony attack styles that will work best or may even run if it thinks it is out classed. Lots of mobs will hurl rocks and other nearby handy objects especially at casters. If it hits, the caster can expect a very fast close of space by the mob who will get right to work on the defensless caster. It is fun. I miss it.

    Hope this helps give some insight on what kind of game you can expect with the release of Dark and Light.

  • stone-seraphstone-seraph Member Posts: 376

    oodles and oodles of NDA breakers, and i hope what the previous poster said is true.

    Make of it what you will.
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  • ShadowWanShadowWan Member Posts: 17

    so at least there are two conflicting opinions now.
    I am not sure whom to trust, but I hope the second one is right.

  • Zaxx99Zaxx99 Member Posts: 1,761

    Wowzers, what a thread here.  I really hope that what Radlin says is correct.  I want so much to believe what he says about the game.. first the gameplay sounds intense.  That is very exciting.  And him saying that he is almost positive that it will indeed be released to the public in April is very good news.  Even though this thread started with negative information about DnL, I guess the hopeful part of me wants to believe this last guy.  If he is correct with what he speaks, then I can very easily see this game being by far the best mmorpg to ever hit the market.

    {crosses fingers...}

     

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