Originally posted by daylight01 Ok 1st off Lotro offered the lifetime sub from day 1,not a year later. 2nd With STO you can also buy a lifetime membership after release and at anytime,this was posted on this site and the official forums yesterday,
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
You guys are never happy..NEVER!
You yourself whinned about why they would only allow lifetime subs before release and now you whine why it costs more.
This is no different from you buying something in a electric store the day after a sale and asking why you can not get it for the sale price...you were given the chance...honest this is just getting out of hand...
I also like how you avoided the original quote and how it was corrected.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Originally posted by daylight01 Ok 1st off Lotro offered the lifetime sub from day 1,not a year later. 2nd With STO you can also buy a lifetime membership after release and at anytime,this was posted on this site and the official forums yesterday,
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
Originally posted by daylight01 Ok 1st off Lotro offered the lifetime sub from day 1,not a year later. 2nd With STO you can also buy a lifetime membership after release and at anytime,this was posted on this site and the official forums yesterday,
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
all that can be said as far as I am concerned. Also what bliz is probably doing atm.
d
"He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
"Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much argruing, much writting, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making."
I don't think we are discussing the real problem here...
How on earth does it make sense to have a player character that is a Borg? A Borg with a personality?
:P
sto is calling it a liberated borg so i quess they are different for the others...
You do know that there was liberated borg in the TV show?...Cryptic never made it up.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
You do know that there was liberated borg in the TV show?...Cryptic never made it up.
heck yeah what kind of trekkie would i be if i didn't know that....
Not a trekkie myself but still caught that.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
Remember Hellgate: London. Awesome when a Lifetime Sub = 1 year-ish
ooh.. that one stung
still visit the habitsoft (or whatever the house that aquired it) site to see if by some remote chance they open it up again. lol. rumor has it a NA re-release as a ftp with item shop. It's destroyed either way.
d
"He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
"Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much argruing, much writting, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making."
Originally posted by daylight01 Ok 1st off Lotro offered the lifetime sub from day 1,not a year later. 2nd With STO you can also buy a lifetime membership after release and at anytime,this was posted on this site and the official forums yesterday,
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
Well just be sure to hold on to that tinfoil hat. Thinking it's a multimillion dollar scam rather than a bonus for early adopters seems rather silly.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
you are not spending 240 dollars to unlock the Borg race. you are spending 240 dollars for a lifetime subscription. which means, you never have to pay a subscription fee for as long as you live, or for as long as the game lives.
the Borg playable race - like the 2 additional slots- are bonuses for purchasing a lifetime sub.
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regardless of the mod's motives... stupid people are still stupid. it's simply a fact. that is not a "flame" or a claim toward anyone in particular.. only the general group of stupid people
You can't use the tools if you don't know they exist... http://www.ic3.gov - Internet Crime Complaint Center - Report cyber crimes to the FBI.
Originally posted by daylight01 Ok 1st off Lotro offered the lifetime sub from day 1,not a year later. 2nd With STO you can also buy a lifetime membership after release and at anytime,this was posted on this site and the official forums yesterday,
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
Well just be sure to hold on to that tinfoil hat. Thinking it's a multimillion dollar scam rather than a bonus for early adopters seems rather silly.
You are being naive if you see it as anything other than a money-making scam.
Originally posted by daylight01 Ok 1st off Lotro offered the lifetime sub from day 1,not a year later. 2nd With STO you can also buy a lifetime membership after release and at anytime,this was posted on this site and the official forums yesterday,
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
Well just be sure to hold on to that tinfoil hat. Thinking it's a multimillion dollar scam rather than a bonus for early adopters seems rather silly.
You are being naive if you see it as anything other than a money-making scam.
is Turbine's lifetime sub to LOTRO a scam?
You can't use the tools if you don't know they exist... http://www.ic3.gov - Internet Crime Complaint Center - Report cyber crimes to the FBI.
I would like to know how it is a money making scheme? I mean did any of the LotR people have to pay more money? Any person who's played MMO's for any length of times knows about pre-order bonuses. You should also know, that once most MMO's are released or not long afterwords, a good portion of the staff is let go or layed off, to keep profitability high. This could be a way for them to keep more staff employed for a longer time. I'm not even sure I'll buy this game and definately won't be buying the lifetime thing, but I'm not jaded enough to think it's a scheme.
You got it wrong its 310$ for it you still have to buy the game to. and this game shouldn't have a monthly fee , The best way to describe this game is its like one of those Console games that was made after a movie , Made fast just for a quick Buck , this is the worst MMO ive ever played. and I love star trek my fav show. i went into beta with an open mind but the game is just a major grind and your better off soloing than grouping , IF you have played Eve this game is like doing level one pve missions but 10x easyer due to all you have to do is zerg zerg no death penty. pvp is so weak , there is no toon deveolpment. and there is hardly any differance between the Starships they are more just templates for looks.
All n all i could see my self paying 20-30$ for this game to mess around for a few weeks, but a monthly sub is way to much money. oh and look at cryptic they just sell off there MMos and give up on them , what makes this one any diffrent. made in under a year this game is a total scam and cryptic can go to hell for ruining a game that could have been a great MMO.
Against. Pre-order, Collectors Edition, Lifetime Sub bonuses should only ever be "fluff". A unique skin for the playable character to look like Borg is fine, but the unique racial trait and ability just tip it into the realm of "unnacceptable" as far as I'm concerned.
Agree, Cryptic has gone past the line on this and the pre order stuff and the limited character slots (only giving 3 character slots but selling them in long terms subs and item store). This is the exact slippery slop people rail against when they condemn sub games with item stores.
Against. Pre-order, Collectors Edition, Lifetime Sub bonuses should only ever be "fluff". A unique skin for the playable character to look like Borg is fine, but the unique racial trait and ability just tip it into the realm of "unnacceptable" as far as I'm concerned.
Agree, Cryptic has gone past the line on this and the pre order stuff and the limited character slots (only giving 3 character slots but selling them in long terms subs and item store). This is the exact slippery slop people rail against when they condemn sub games with item stores.
Im not 100% sure about this, but I think you can blame Sony for this trend. They were the ones that started the limited character slots and paying more for more slots. At least, they are the first ones that I can remember that did this.
You got it wrong its 310$ for it you still have to buy the game to. and this game shouldn't have a monthly fee , The best way to describe this game is its like one of those Console games that was made after a movie , Made fast just for a quick Buck , this is the worst MMO ive ever played. and I love star trek my fav show. i went into beta with an open mind but the game is just a major grind and your better off soloing than grouping , IF you have played Eve this game is like doing level one pve missions but 10x easyer due to all you have to do is zerg zerg no death penty. pvp is so weak , there is no toon deveolpment. and there is hardly any differance between the Starships they are more just templates for looks.
All n all i could see my self paying 20-30$ for this game to mess around for a few weeks, but a monthly sub is way to much money. oh and look at cryptic they just sell off there MMos and give up on them , what makes this one any diffrent. made in under a year this game is a total scam and cryptic can go to hell for ruining a game that could have been a great MMO.
Sorry but I see your comments are full of holes here. First off, the game was not made in less than a year. At least get your facts straight if your going to bash a game. You also never got past the first starter ship either, because when you get to a tier 2 ships, they are a lot different and are more specialized for the class you are choosing to play. Just ask some of those folks who chose to do tactical. Glass cannons is what they are calling those ships. Look at the cruisers, engineers and make those things last a long longer than your other ships and science ships do a really good job at the things that they can do. Your ship however, is only as good as your bridge officers. If you don't train them right and pick the right powers, well, it can make it very difficult for you.
Now lets look at your Eve comment. No, its not. If you are zerg zerg zerg, then all your doing is sitting in repeatable patrol missions trying to get that fast exp. If you have grouped up for regular missions, you would know that the missions, both space and ground scale up for the amount of people you have. And zerging in a regular 5 man mission is usually going to end up getting 1 or 2 of those people killed. Right now there is no death penalty but when they actually start having you lose crew members for death, your going to wish you hadn't zerg'd and died, because its going to get very expensive replacing those crew members.
I see comments like this all the time and I just have to wonder if people actually tried to play the game or if all they did was EXP. There are a lot of tactical options in space combat. You have to do power management, learn to fly your ship correctly (which is very hard actually), meaning that you are able to keep your ship on 1 or 2 specific shield segments and take them out with torps, instead of having to down all their shields before you finally can beat them. You can't do that just sitting on the all damage power. It takes away to much maneuverability from your ship. You have to go back and forth between balanced and speed and defense and offense all while your fighting, trying to redirect shield power to the shield that is taking the most beating, while your trying to keep your ship where you want it to do the most tactical positioning you can. yeah, it really sounds like many of you have explored all these options while you were sitting in a patrol mission zerging or watching people zerg these open instanced zones. Try actually, you know, Exploring and doing the quests. It can be very fun if you actually learn how to play it.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people who slam eve. Eve is not a simple game, there are a lot of things you have to learn in that game and it takes a very steep learning curve to do it. While STO is not as complex as eve, it has more of a learning curve then you actually realize. But hey, not everyone is going to like it, I do not have a problem with that, but with comments like the one above, its painfully obvious that you have not actually explored the things you can do in the game, even in those early levels.
You got it wrong its 310$ for it you still have to buy the game to. and this game shouldn't have a monthly fee , The best way to describe this game is its like one of those Console games that was made after a movie , Made fast just for a quick Buck , this is the worst MMO ive ever played. and I love star trek my fav show. i went into beta with an open mind but the game is just a major grind and your better off soloing than grouping , IF you have played Eve this game is like doing level one pve missions but 10x easyer due to all you have to do is zerg zerg no death penty. pvp is so weak , there is no toon deveolpment. and there is hardly any differance between the Starships they are more just templates for looks.
All n all i could see my self paying 20-30$ for this game to mess around for a few weeks, but a monthly sub is way to much money. oh and look at cryptic they just sell off there MMos and give up on them , what makes this one any diffrent. made in under a year this game is a total scam and cryptic can go to hell for ruining a game that could have been a great MMO.
Sorry but I see your comments are full of holes here. First off, the game was not made in less than a year. At least get your facts straight if your going to bash a game. You also never got past the first starter ship either, because when you get to a tier 2 ships, they are a lot different and are more specialized for the class you are choosing to play. Just ask some of those folks who chose to do tactical. Glass cannons is what they are calling those ships. Look at the cruisers, engineers and make those things last a long longer than your other ships and science ships do a really good job at the things that they can do. Your ship however, is only as good as your bridge officers. If you don't train them right and pick the right powers, well, it can make it very difficult for you.
Now lets look at your Eve comment. No, its not. If you are zerg zerg zerg, then all your doing is sitting in repeatable patrol missions trying to get that fast exp. If you have grouped up for regular missions, you would know that the missions, both space and ground scale up for the amount of people you have. And zerging in a regular 5 man mission is usually going to end up getting 1 or 2 of those people killed. Right now there is no death penalty but when they actually start having you lose crew members for death, your going to wish you hadn't zerg'd and died, because its going to get very expensive replacing those crew members.
I see comments like this all the time and I just have to wonder if people actually tried to play the game or if all they did was EXP. There are a lot of tactical options in space combat. You have to do power management, learn to fly your ship correctly (which is very hard actually), meaning that you are able to keep your ship on 1 or 2 specific shield segments and take them out with torps, instead of having to down all their shields before you finally can beat them. You can't do that just sitting on the all damage power. It takes away to much maneuverability from your ship. You have to go back and forth between balanced and speed and defense and offense all while your fighting, trying to redirect shield power to the shield that is taking the most beating, while your trying to keep your ship where you want it to do the most tactical positioning you can. yeah, it really sounds like many of you have explored all these options while you were sitting in a patrol mission zerging or watching people zerg these open instanced zones. Try actually, you know, Exploring and doing the quests. It can be very fun if you actually learn how to play it.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people who slam eve. Eve is not a simple game, there are a lot of things you have to learn in that game and it takes a very steep learning curve to do it. While STO is not as complex as eve, it has more of a learning curve then you actually realize. But hey, not everyone is going to like it, I do not have a problem with that, but with comments like the one above, its painfully obvious that you have not actually explored the things you can do in the game, even in those early levels.
I have the facts straight cryptic has not had the licence very long maby it was a litle over a year like 14 months or somthing-. and i have 2 toons in beta caped and there is hardly a diffrence between the ships its more of the class and even than its not much. and the whole power balancing thing is a joke theres no point in having anything than full power to wepons, hell they even give you an ability to maneuver your ship super well with out putting power to engines. I know how to play this game its cake , and i do agree with eve is not such a simple game but level 1 missions are like i said. and what is there to explore you go in and do 3 things , zone into a very small space instances blow some ships up/scan crap , go on ground shoot poeple/scan crap , or you go on ground and just scan crap (its funny to they will put a group of 5 to hit F one time) and not even going to get into pvp heh (but yes i did do it) ive seen about everything they have to offer right now. The only thing i can say cryptic has done a good job with is getting the severs to run a bit smoother now. but why dont you get your facts straight before slamming someone on a message bored, i have every right to write what i want here no need for personal flames kid.
Against. Pre-order, Collectors Edition, Lifetime Sub bonuses should only ever be "fluff". A unique skin for the playable character to look like Borg is fine, but the unique racial trait and ability just tip it into the realm of "unnacceptable" as far as I'm concerned.
Agree, Cryptic has gone past the line on this and the pre order stuff and the limited character slots (only giving 3 character slots but selling them in long terms subs and item store). This is the exact slippery slop people rail against when they condemn sub games with item stores.
Im not 100% sure about this, but I think you can blame Sony for this trend. They were the ones that started the limited character slots and paying more for more slots. At least, they are the first ones that I can remember that did this.
not sure why soe is to blame for this they give 8 slots in everquest per sever and eq2 gives 10 per sever? not sure havent touched that one. but isnt that perrty standard for most mmos? whats wow give?
I'm currently enjoying my time in STO and like the idea of a lifetime sub, but there is no way in hell I'm going to make that kind of investment before the game launches. If they extend it a couple months so I can try the full release they may get my money.
I'm back and forth on it. If I will be playing for more than a year and a half it's worth it, and honestly it's Star Trek so ofcourse I will be playing it. So I will probably get it then. Hmm.
The problem I have is that the game isn't even released yet so it's like throwing money at them in blind faith, and have they done anything to deserve that type of faith. Not yet.
One of my Star Trek buddies just emailed me he got the life time subscription. My wife asked me if I got it yet but I told her I want to torture myself till right up until before the game releases to maximize my OCD tendencies, but that I will probably get it. I think I need to play the beta more before I decide.
You got it wrong its 310$ for it you still have to buy the game to. and this game shouldn't have a monthly fee , The best way to describe this game is its like one of those Console games that was made after a movie , Made fast just for a quick Buck , this is the worst MMO ive ever played. and I love star trek my fav show. i went into beta with an open mind but the game is just a major grind and your better off soloing than grouping , IF you have played Eve this game is like doing level one pve missions but 10x easyer due to all you have to do is zerg zerg no death penty. pvp is so weak , there is no toon deveolpment. and there is hardly any differance between the Starships they are more just templates for looks.
All n all i could see my self paying 20-30$ for this game to mess around for a few weeks, but a monthly sub is way to much money. oh and look at cryptic they just sell off there MMos and give up on them , what makes this one any diffrent. made in under a year this game is a total scam and cryptic can go to hell for ruining a game that could have been a great MMO.
Sorry but I see your comments are full of holes here. First off, the game was not made in less than a year. At least get your facts straight if your going to bash a game. You also never got past the first starter ship either, because when you get to a tier 2 ships, they are a lot different and are more specialized for the class you are choosing to play. Just ask some of those folks who chose to do tactical. Glass cannons is what they are calling those ships. Look at the cruisers, engineers and make those things last a long longer than your other ships and science ships do a really good job at the things that they can do. Your ship however, is only as good as your bridge officers. If you don't train them right and pick the right powers, well, it can make it very difficult for you.
Now lets look at your Eve comment. No, its not. If you are zerg zerg zerg, then all your doing is sitting in repeatable patrol missions trying to get that fast exp. If you have grouped up for regular missions, you would know that the missions, both space and ground scale up for the amount of people you have. And zerging in a regular 5 man mission is usually going to end up getting 1 or 2 of those people killed. Right now there is no death penalty but when they actually start having you lose crew members for death, your going to wish you hadn't zerg'd and died, because its going to get very expensive replacing those crew members.
I see comments like this all the time and I just have to wonder if people actually tried to play the game or if all they did was EXP. There are a lot of tactical options in space combat. You have to do power management, learn to fly your ship correctly (which is very hard actually), meaning that you are able to keep your ship on 1 or 2 specific shield segments and take them out with torps, instead of having to down all their shields before you finally can beat them. You can't do that just sitting on the all damage power. It takes away to much maneuverability from your ship. You have to go back and forth between balanced and speed and defense and offense all while your fighting, trying to redirect shield power to the shield that is taking the most beating, while your trying to keep your ship where you want it to do the most tactical positioning you can. yeah, it really sounds like many of you have explored all these options while you were sitting in a patrol mission zerging or watching people zerg these open instanced zones. Try actually, you know, Exploring and doing the quests. It can be very fun if you actually learn how to play it.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people who slam eve. Eve is not a simple game, there are a lot of things you have to learn in that game and it takes a very steep learning curve to do it. While STO is not as complex as eve, it has more of a learning curve then you actually realize. But hey, not everyone is going to like it, I do not have a problem with that, but with comments like the one above, its painfully obvious that you have not actually explored the things you can do in the game, even in those early levels.
I have the facts straight cryptic has not had the licence very long maby it was a litle over a year like 14 months or somthing-. and i have 2 toons in beta caped and there is hardly a diffrence between the ships its more of the class and even than its not much. and the whole power balancing thing is a joke theres no point in having anything than full power to wepons, hell they even give you an ability to maneuver your ship super well with out putting power to engines. I know how to play this game its cake , and i do agree with eve is not such a simple game but level 1 missions are like i said. and what is there to explore you go in and do 3 things , zone into a very small space instances blow some ships up/scan crap , go on ground shoot poeple/scan crap , or you go on ground and just scan crap (its funny to they will put a group of 5 to hit F one time) and not even going to get into pvp heh (but yes i did do it) ive seen about everything they have to offer right now. The only thing i can say cryptic has done a good job with is getting the severs to run a bit smoother now. but why dont you get your facts straight before slamming someone on a message bored, i have every right to write what i want here no need for personal flames kid.
I never said you couldn't write on the message board and I did not flame you, if you think I did, report me. I simply told you that you didnt have your facts straight, you said less then a year. You were wrong!
As for your other stuff. Well, lets look at ANY mmo. Go kill mob X and bring me something back from it or go kill X amount of mobs or go here, deliver this, go there deliver that and your done.oh, yeah, those are really challenging to. By your descriptions, there isn't an mmo ever that was anything more than boring. And while you say you were in beta and had capped characters, i find that hard to believe, because I see first hand what changing power does for you and it makes a HUGE difference in a fight, so I am going to say that maybe you really don't know how to play the game.
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At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
You guys are never happy..NEVER!
You yourself whinned about why they would only allow lifetime subs before release and now you whine why it costs more.
This is no different from you buying something in a electric store the day after a sale and asking why you can not get it for the sale price...you were given the chance...honest this is just getting out of hand...
I also like how you avoided the original quote and how it was corrected.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
hmm.. what do I think about it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEWgs6YQR9A&feature=related
all that can be said as far as I am concerned. Also what bliz is probably doing atm.
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"He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
"Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much argruing, much writting, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making."
John Milton 1608-1674
sto is calling it a liberated borg so i quess they are different from the others...
sto is calling it a liberated borg so i quess they are different for the others...
You do know that there was liberated borg in the TV show?...Cryptic never made it up.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
heck yeah what kind of trekkie would i be if i didn't know that....
heck yeah what kind of trekkie would i be if i didn't know that....
Not a trekkie myself but still caught that.
If someone had came up to me in 1980 when I was on my Atari 2600 and said we will be playing games with thousands of people at the same time.I guess my response would have been,"but I only have 2 joysticks"
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/235780/page/8
I completely agree.
I dropped WoW and ALL of Blizzard's future games when they came out with that pet shop.
It's greed and contempt for their customers. Yet some posters will thank them for it.
As did I, glad some people out there that can see customer milking for what it is.
Remember Hellgate: London.
Awesome when a Lifetime Sub = 1 year-ish
"There is only one thing of which I am certain, and that's nothing is certain."
ooh.. that one stung
still visit the habitsoft (or whatever the house that aquired it) site to see if by some remote chance they open it up again. lol. rumor has it a NA re-release as a ftp with item shop. It's destroyed either way.
d
"He who reigns within himself and rules his passions, desires, and fears is more than a king."
"Where there is much desire to learn, there of necessity will be much argruing, much writting, many opinions; for opinions in good men is but knowledge in the making."
John Milton 1608-1674
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
Well just be sure to hold on to that tinfoil hat. Thinking it's a multimillion dollar scam rather than a bonus for early adopters seems rather silly.
"Because it's easier to nitpick something than to be constructive." -roach5000
you are not spending 240 dollars to unlock the Borg race. you are spending 240 dollars for a lifetime subscription. which means, you never have to pay a subscription fee for as long as you live, or for as long as the game lives.
the Borg playable race - like the 2 additional slots- are bonuses for purchasing a lifetime sub.
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regardless of the mod's motives... stupid people are still stupid. it's simply a fact. that is not a "flame" or a claim toward anyone in particular.. only the general group of stupid people
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At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
Well just be sure to hold on to that tinfoil hat. Thinking it's a multimillion dollar scam rather than a bonus for early adopters seems rather silly.
You are being naive if you see it as anything other than a money-making scam.
At a higher cost, and without the premium. Why?
Why does Cryptic want people buying it before release?
Why can't they give a discount and special bonus to people who preorder and buy in before launch? Can't they give people something for being early adopters?
Or perhaps it's just a forced money grab before the masses figure out what they got, or don't got. I guess we'll find out in a month or two but my guess is on the latter.
Well just be sure to hold on to that tinfoil hat. Thinking it's a multimillion dollar scam rather than a bonus for early adopters seems rather silly.
You are being naive if you see it as anything other than a money-making scam.
is Turbine's lifetime sub to LOTRO a scam?
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I would like to know how it is a money making scheme? I mean did any of the LotR people have to pay more money? Any person who's played MMO's for any length of times knows about pre-order bonuses. You should also know, that once most MMO's are released or not long afterwords, a good portion of the staff is let go or layed off, to keep profitability high. This could be a way for them to keep more staff employed for a longer time. I'm not even sure I'll buy this game and definately won't be buying the lifetime thing, but I'm not jaded enough to think it's a scheme.
You got it wrong its 310$ for it you still have to buy the game to. and this game shouldn't have a monthly fee , The best way to describe this game is its like one of those Console games that was made after a movie , Made fast just for a quick Buck , this is the worst MMO ive ever played. and I love star trek my fav show. i went into beta with an open mind but the game is just a major grind and your better off soloing than grouping , IF you have played Eve this game is like doing level one pve missions but 10x easyer due to all you have to do is zerg zerg no death penty. pvp is so weak , there is no toon deveolpment. and there is hardly any differance between the Starships they are more just templates for looks.
All n all i could see my self paying 20-30$ for this game to mess around for a few weeks, but a monthly sub is way to much money. oh and look at cryptic they just sell off there MMos and give up on them , what makes this one any diffrent. made in under a year this game is a total scam and cryptic can go to hell for ruining a game that could have been a great MMO.
Agree, Cryptic has gone past the line on this and the pre order stuff and the limited character slots (only giving 3 character slots but selling them in long terms subs and item store). This is the exact slippery slop people rail against when they condemn sub games with item stores.
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Agree, Cryptic has gone past the line on this and the pre order stuff and the limited character slots (only giving 3 character slots but selling them in long terms subs and item store). This is the exact slippery slop people rail against when they condemn sub games with item stores.
Im not 100% sure about this, but I think you can blame Sony for this trend. They were the ones that started the limited character slots and paying more for more slots. At least, they are the first ones that I can remember that did this.
Sorry but I see your comments are full of holes here. First off, the game was not made in less than a year. At least get your facts straight if your going to bash a game. You also never got past the first starter ship either, because when you get to a tier 2 ships, they are a lot different and are more specialized for the class you are choosing to play. Just ask some of those folks who chose to do tactical. Glass cannons is what they are calling those ships. Look at the cruisers, engineers and make those things last a long longer than your other ships and science ships do a really good job at the things that they can do. Your ship however, is only as good as your bridge officers. If you don't train them right and pick the right powers, well, it can make it very difficult for you.
Now lets look at your Eve comment. No, its not. If you are zerg zerg zerg, then all your doing is sitting in repeatable patrol missions trying to get that fast exp. If you have grouped up for regular missions, you would know that the missions, both space and ground scale up for the amount of people you have. And zerging in a regular 5 man mission is usually going to end up getting 1 or 2 of those people killed. Right now there is no death penalty but when they actually start having you lose crew members for death, your going to wish you hadn't zerg'd and died, because its going to get very expensive replacing those crew members.
I see comments like this all the time and I just have to wonder if people actually tried to play the game or if all they did was EXP. There are a lot of tactical options in space combat. You have to do power management, learn to fly your ship correctly (which is very hard actually), meaning that you are able to keep your ship on 1 or 2 specific shield segments and take them out with torps, instead of having to down all their shields before you finally can beat them. You can't do that just sitting on the all damage power. It takes away to much maneuverability from your ship. You have to go back and forth between balanced and speed and defense and offense all while your fighting, trying to redirect shield power to the shield that is taking the most beating, while your trying to keep your ship where you want it to do the most tactical positioning you can. yeah, it really sounds like many of you have explored all these options while you were sitting in a patrol mission zerging or watching people zerg these open instanced zones. Try actually, you know, Exploring and doing the quests. It can be very fun if you actually learn how to play it.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people who slam eve. Eve is not a simple game, there are a lot of things you have to learn in that game and it takes a very steep learning curve to do it. While STO is not as complex as eve, it has more of a learning curve then you actually realize. But hey, not everyone is going to like it, I do not have a problem with that, but with comments like the one above, its painfully obvious that you have not actually explored the things you can do in the game, even in those early levels.
Sorry but I see your comments are full of holes here. First off, the game was not made in less than a year. At least get your facts straight if your going to bash a game. You also never got past the first starter ship either, because when you get to a tier 2 ships, they are a lot different and are more specialized for the class you are choosing to play. Just ask some of those folks who chose to do tactical. Glass cannons is what they are calling those ships. Look at the cruisers, engineers and make those things last a long longer than your other ships and science ships do a really good job at the things that they can do. Your ship however, is only as good as your bridge officers. If you don't train them right and pick the right powers, well, it can make it very difficult for you.
Now lets look at your Eve comment. No, its not. If you are zerg zerg zerg, then all your doing is sitting in repeatable patrol missions trying to get that fast exp. If you have grouped up for regular missions, you would know that the missions, both space and ground scale up for the amount of people you have. And zerging in a regular 5 man mission is usually going to end up getting 1 or 2 of those people killed. Right now there is no death penalty but when they actually start having you lose crew members for death, your going to wish you hadn't zerg'd and died, because its going to get very expensive replacing those crew members.
I see comments like this all the time and I just have to wonder if people actually tried to play the game or if all they did was EXP. There are a lot of tactical options in space combat. You have to do power management, learn to fly your ship correctly (which is very hard actually), meaning that you are able to keep your ship on 1 or 2 specific shield segments and take them out with torps, instead of having to down all their shields before you finally can beat them. You can't do that just sitting on the all damage power. It takes away to much maneuverability from your ship. You have to go back and forth between balanced and speed and defense and offense all while your fighting, trying to redirect shield power to the shield that is taking the most beating, while your trying to keep your ship where you want it to do the most tactical positioning you can. yeah, it really sounds like many of you have explored all these options while you were sitting in a patrol mission zerging or watching people zerg these open instanced zones. Try actually, you know, Exploring and doing the quests. It can be very fun if you actually learn how to play it.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people who slam eve. Eve is not a simple game, there are a lot of things you have to learn in that game and it takes a very steep learning curve to do it. While STO is not as complex as eve, it has more of a learning curve then you actually realize. But hey, not everyone is going to like it, I do not have a problem with that, but with comments like the one above, its painfully obvious that you have not actually explored the things you can do in the game, even in those early levels.
I have the facts straight cryptic has not had the licence very long maby it was a litle over a year like 14 months or somthing-. and i have 2 toons in beta caped and there is hardly a diffrence between the ships its more of the class and even than its not much. and the whole power balancing thing is a joke theres no point in having anything than full power to wepons, hell they even give you an ability to maneuver your ship super well with out putting power to engines. I know how to play this game its cake , and i do agree with eve is not such a simple game but level 1 missions are like i said. and what is there to explore you go in and do 3 things , zone into a very small space instances blow some ships up/scan crap , go on ground shoot poeple/scan crap , or you go on ground and just scan crap (its funny to they will put a group of 5 to hit F one time) and not even going to get into pvp heh (but yes i did do it) ive seen about everything they have to offer right now. The only thing i can say cryptic has done a good job with is getting the severs to run a bit smoother now. but why dont you get your facts straight before slamming someone on a message bored, i have every right to write what i want here no need for personal flames kid.
Agree, Cryptic has gone past the line on this and the pre order stuff and the limited character slots (only giving 3 character slots but selling them in long terms subs and item store). This is the exact slippery slop people rail against when they condemn sub games with item stores.
Im not 100% sure about this, but I think you can blame Sony for this trend. They were the ones that started the limited character slots and paying more for more slots. At least, they are the first ones that I can remember that did this.
not sure why soe is to blame for this they give 8 slots in everquest per sever and eq2 gives 10 per sever? not sure havent touched that one. but isnt that perrty standard for most mmos? whats wow give?
I'm currently enjoying my time in STO and like the idea of a lifetime sub, but there is no way in hell I'm going to make that kind of investment before the game launches. If they extend it a couple months so I can try the full release they may get my money.
I'm back and forth on it. If I will be playing for more than a year and a half it's worth it, and honestly it's Star Trek so ofcourse I will be playing it. So I will probably get it then. Hmm.
The problem I have is that the game isn't even released yet so it's like throwing money at them in blind faith, and have they done anything to deserve that type of faith. Not yet.
One of my Star Trek buddies just emailed me he got the life time subscription. My wife asked me if I got it yet but I told her I want to torture myself till right up until before the game releases to maximize my OCD tendencies, but that I will probably get it. I think I need to play the beta more before I decide.
Sorry but I see your comments are full of holes here. First off, the game was not made in less than a year. At least get your facts straight if your going to bash a game. You also never got past the first starter ship either, because when you get to a tier 2 ships, they are a lot different and are more specialized for the class you are choosing to play. Just ask some of those folks who chose to do tactical. Glass cannons is what they are calling those ships. Look at the cruisers, engineers and make those things last a long longer than your other ships and science ships do a really good job at the things that they can do. Your ship however, is only as good as your bridge officers. If you don't train them right and pick the right powers, well, it can make it very difficult for you.
Now lets look at your Eve comment. No, its not. If you are zerg zerg zerg, then all your doing is sitting in repeatable patrol missions trying to get that fast exp. If you have grouped up for regular missions, you would know that the missions, both space and ground scale up for the amount of people you have. And zerging in a regular 5 man mission is usually going to end up getting 1 or 2 of those people killed. Right now there is no death penalty but when they actually start having you lose crew members for death, your going to wish you hadn't zerg'd and died, because its going to get very expensive replacing those crew members.
I see comments like this all the time and I just have to wonder if people actually tried to play the game or if all they did was EXP. There are a lot of tactical options in space combat. You have to do power management, learn to fly your ship correctly (which is very hard actually), meaning that you are able to keep your ship on 1 or 2 specific shield segments and take them out with torps, instead of having to down all their shields before you finally can beat them. You can't do that just sitting on the all damage power. It takes away to much maneuverability from your ship. You have to go back and forth between balanced and speed and defense and offense all while your fighting, trying to redirect shield power to the shield that is taking the most beating, while your trying to keep your ship where you want it to do the most tactical positioning you can. yeah, it really sounds like many of you have explored all these options while you were sitting in a patrol mission zerging or watching people zerg these open instanced zones. Try actually, you know, Exploring and doing the quests. It can be very fun if you actually learn how to play it.
A lot of these comments reminds me of people who slam eve. Eve is not a simple game, there are a lot of things you have to learn in that game and it takes a very steep learning curve to do it. While STO is not as complex as eve, it has more of a learning curve then you actually realize. But hey, not everyone is going to like it, I do not have a problem with that, but with comments like the one above, its painfully obvious that you have not actually explored the things you can do in the game, even in those early levels.
I have the facts straight cryptic has not had the licence very long maby it was a litle over a year like 14 months or somthing-. and i have 2 toons in beta caped and there is hardly a diffrence between the ships its more of the class and even than its not much. and the whole power balancing thing is a joke theres no point in having anything than full power to wepons, hell they even give you an ability to maneuver your ship super well with out putting power to engines. I know how to play this game its cake , and i do agree with eve is not such a simple game but level 1 missions are like i said. and what is there to explore you go in and do 3 things , zone into a very small space instances blow some ships up/scan crap , go on ground shoot poeple/scan crap , or you go on ground and just scan crap (its funny to they will put a group of 5 to hit F one time) and not even going to get into pvp heh (but yes i did do it) ive seen about everything they have to offer right now. The only thing i can say cryptic has done a good job with is getting the severs to run a bit smoother now. but why dont you get your facts straight before slamming someone on a message bored, i have every right to write what i want here no need for personal flames kid.
I never said you couldn't write on the message board and I did not flame you, if you think I did, report me. I simply told you that you didnt have your facts straight, you said less then a year. You were wrong!
As for your other stuff. Well, lets look at ANY mmo. Go kill mob X and bring me something back from it or go kill X amount of mobs or go here, deliver this, go there deliver that and your done.oh, yeah, those are really challenging to. By your descriptions, there isn't an mmo ever that was anything more than boring. And while you say you were in beta and had capped characters, i find that hard to believe, because I see first hand what changing power does for you and it makes a HUGE difference in a fight, so I am going to say that maybe you really don't know how to play the game.