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When the Dark Falls: My Darkfall Review (long one bring your lunch)
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I don't know if it's just me, but you made the game sound more appealing than it was to me before i read your review. It's obvious that wasn't your intention, however you made the game sounds as though it's full of danger. Which is something missing in almost every MMO in existence today. Might have to pick this up...
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this and trying too hard by the looks of things, lol
It can be expected from this guy tho, he is probably just trolling since he hates DFO and loves MO.
This is what confuses me.
He talks about how he doesn't like the game and that it had a disastrous launch.
I think its well known(not amongst the fan boys, cause they're..well..blind fan boys), that DFO had a terrible launch. I remember it, I was there for it, lolling my arse off at the youtube videos that were being made in response to Aventurine's screw ups.
Yet, this guy is a troll because he doesn't like DFO.
How can fans of DFO expect to be taken seriously if you're going to call everyone who hates the game a troll or carebear?
Face it, no one takes you seriously. Anyone can do a quick search for Darkfall and find out in 30 seconds just how bad of a game it is, stop trying to convince people your game is so awesome. WHO CARES IF OTHERS DONT LIKE IT, ENJOY YOUR GAME.
Read up on his post history if you want to make judgement calls on the OP. He is a well known old school Darkfall hater. Not everyone is deserving of your kindness and respect.
Whether he is a long term darkfall hater or not, it doesn't matter. He tried the game, he still doesn't like it. Whether or not his review is accurate, who cares?
If Darkfall is so great, why do players spend their time logged in to the forums to try and argue with "trolls" or "carebears" who don't like the game and convince people that its the best MMO out there?
If Darkfall was/is as fun as the fans say it is, I don't think I'd ever log out. I think that goes to show just how overhyped it is from a fans point of view.
From any other PoV, it's a troll or a carebear cause they don't like it.
I'm not saying trolls don't exist on these forums, but, not EVERY person who doesn't like the game is a troll. It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good, but it caters to a small crowd. In that case, who cares? Enjoy the game guys.
you can alt-tab gather in Darkfall as I am doing right now, your rediculous notions are invalid. an entire post history of 900+ posts dedicated to bashing Darkfall is clearly a troll and a pathetic individual. you want to say he has valid concerns? suuuure, whatever you say
I didn't say he personally has valid concerns, hmmm...are you reading everything correctly?
"It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good"
I never said I was basing that statement on his review.
It's possible that the game is really in fact good too.
Potential players read player reviews. I'm sure we can agree on that. When a known troll posts a clearly biased, factually incorrect review, it will turn potential players away. Why would people who know and love the game NOT correct it or point out flaws with the review?
These kind of defensive responses aren't just limited to the Darkfall forums. Go post an incorrect/biased review on any site dedicated to any item, and you'll get responses from others that defend said item. It's just human nature to want to point out blatant lies or counter points they know to be incorrect.
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Read up on his post history if you want to make judgement calls on the OP. He is a well known old school Darkfall hater. Not everyone is deserving of your kindness and respect.
Whether he is a long term darkfall hater or not, it doesn't matter. He tried the game, he still doesn't like it. Whether or not his review is accurate, who cares?
If Darkfall is so great, why do players spend their time logged in to the forums to try and argue with "trolls" or "carebears" who don't like the game and convince people that its the best MMO out there?
If Darkfall was/is as fun as the fans say it is, I don't think I'd ever log out. I think that goes to show just how overhyped it is from a fans point of view.
From any other PoV, it's a troll or a carebear cause they don't like it.
I'm not saying trolls don't exist on these forums, but, not EVERY person who doesn't like the game is a troll. It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good, but it caters to a small crowd. In that case, who cares? Enjoy the game guys.
you can alt-tab gather in Darkfall as I am doing right now, your rediculous notions are invalid. an entire post history of 900+ posts dedicated to bashing Darkfall is clearly a troll and a pathetic individual. you want to say he has valid concerns? suuuure, whatever you say
I didn't say he personally has valid concerns, hmmm...are you reading everything correctly?
"It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good"
I never said I was basing that statement on his review.
It's possible that the game is really in fact good too.
Potential players read player reviews. I'm sure we can agree on that. When a known troll posts a clearly biased, factually incorrect review, it will turn potential players away. Why would people who know and love the game NOT correct it or point out flaws with the review?
These kind of defensive responses aren't just limited to the Darkfall forums. Go post an incorrect/biased review on any site dedicated to any item, and you'll get responses from others that defend said item. It's just human nature to want to point out blatant lies or counter points they know to be incorrect.
Reviews are just that. Biased.
Fans are going to say its great.
People who don't like it are going to say its bad.
Fans will say that those who don't like it are trolls/carebears.
"Trolls/Carebears" will say "you're in denial that your game sucks".
I on the other hand, read various gaming websites to find out if a game is worth my time. Are they always correct? Nope. Do I sometimes disagree? Of course.
But the simple fact that the game isn't even reviewed by some of the bigger video gaming websites just screams "bad quality" in my ears. I'm sure I'm not the only one either.
Then again, I'm not praising DFO, I must be a troll.
I personally haven't played it, because believe it or not, GOOD player reviews(on this website), turned me off. The game has elements about it that I do not like. I'll still be labeled as a troll though, cause the game doesn't suit me.
I don't know guys. I lasted for about 2 weeks in Darkfall. Most of what the OP said rang true in my ears.. at least that's what I experienced whilst trying the game.
I mean, I played Planetside, Wow (pre-bc), and SWG pre-cu.. and those games dragged me in, didn't let go, and I still love everything about them. That wasn't the case with Darkfall. It's just a matter of personal opinion I suppose. If the game drags you in, and is fun, then by all means you shouldn't have to argue with anyone on whether its good or not. If you didn't have fun.. well then, don't play the game anymore.
Read up on his post history if you want to make judgement calls on the OP. He is a well known old school Darkfall hater. Not everyone is deserving of your kindness and respect.
Whether he is a long term darkfall hater or not, it doesn't matter. He tried the game, he still doesn't like it. Whether or not his review is accurate, who cares?
If Darkfall is so great, why do players spend their time logged in to the forums to try and argue with "trolls" or "carebears" who don't like the game and convince people that its the best MMO out there?
If Darkfall was/is as fun as the fans say it is, I don't think I'd ever log out. I think that goes to show just how overhyped it is from a fans point of view.
From any other PoV, it's a troll or a carebear cause they don't like it.
I'm not saying trolls don't exist on these forums, but, not EVERY person who doesn't like the game is a troll. It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good, but it caters to a small crowd. In that case, who cares? Enjoy the game guys.
you can alt-tab gather in Darkfall as I am doing right now, your rediculous notions are invalid. an entire post history of 900+ posts dedicated to bashing Darkfall is clearly a troll and a pathetic individual. you want to say he has valid concerns? suuuure, whatever you say
I didn't say he personally has valid concerns, hmmm...are you reading everything correctly?
"It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good"
I never said I was basing that statement on his review.
It's possible that the game is really in fact good too.
Potential players read player reviews. I'm sure we can agree on that. When a known troll posts a clearly biased, factually incorrect review, it will turn potential players away. Why would people who know and love the game NOT correct it or point out flaws with the review?
These kind of defensive responses aren't just limited to the Darkfall forums. Go post an incorrect/biased review on any site dedicated to any item, and you'll get responses from others that defend said item. It's just human nature to want to point out blatant lies or counter points they know to be incorrect.
Reviews are just that. Biased.
Fans are going to say its great.
People who don't like it are going to say its bad.
Fans will say that those who don't like it are trolls/carebears.
"Trolls/Carebears" will say "you're in denial that your game sucks".
I on the other hand, read various gaming websites to find out if a game is worth my time. Are they always correct? Nope. Do I sometimes disagree? Of course.
But the simple fact that the game isn't even reviewed by some of the bigger video gaming websites just screams "bad quality" in my ears. I'm sure I'm not the only one either.
Then again, I'm not praising DFO, I must be a troll.
I personally haven't played it, because believe it or not, GOOD player reviews(on this website), turned me off. The game has elements about it that I do not like. I'll still be labeled as a troll though, cause the game doesn't suit me.
I would consider Paragus a good Darkfall reviewer. Did you read his stuff? I could care less if you are praising or not praising Darkfall, fact is you seem to be defending a well known blatant Darkfall troll.
I never said anywhere that I was defending this troll.
I've said countless times that I am generalizing.
If someone says DF is bad, they are a troll.
Is the OP a troll? Yeah, probably, I'm sure of it.
Does that mean EVERYONE is a troll who says its bad? No. That's my point.
Yeah I read Paragus review. His review is one of the positive reviews I mentioned.
I'm often surprised at the shock and awe people display around here when someone calls someone else out for an obvious incorrect/biased review. You're right it is human nature, and why would we (forum posters) who enjoy the game, let such a garbage review go unchecked. Especially considering that it's coming from one of the old school vaporware trolls. Hell even some of those guys are now playing the game and loving it.
I don't know, I personally would love a heads up if a review on something that I was considering buying was filled with a tad too much BS. But that's just me.
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Well you were the one(s) that went " try it before you can speak of it " and i did.
So the question is: What's bugging you now? That i tried it and proved that i did? Or that you don't have anything left to pit against me other than verbal insults and condescending manner?
So are you saying that you spent $60 just so you can bash the game with some sort of authority that you have now gained from playing it. If this is what you are saying, it really is quite pathetic. Like I said before this post should have been called why darkfall made me cry and whine on the forums. I mean its really no wonder that you had nothing posative to say about the game in this so called "review". So quit trying to DumbF*** everyone and GTFO. You are no different then the worst of the DF community.
Read up on his post history if you want to make judgement calls on the OP. He is a well known old school Darkfall hater. Not everyone is deserving of your kindness and respect.
Whether he is a long term darkfall hater or not, it doesn't matter. He tried the game, he still doesn't like it. Whether or not his review is accurate, who cares?
If Darkfall is so great, why do players spend their time logged in to the forums to try and argue with "trolls" or "carebears" who don't like the game and convince people that its the best MMO out there?
If Darkfall was/is as fun as the fans say it is, I don't think I'd ever log out. I think that goes to show just how overhyped it is from a fans point of view.
From any other PoV, it's a troll or a carebear cause they don't like it.
I'm not saying trolls don't exist on these forums, but, not EVERY person who doesn't like the game is a troll. It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good, but it caters to a small crowd. In that case, who cares? Enjoy the game guys.
you can alt-tab gather in Darkfall as I am doing right now, your rediculous notions are invalid. an entire post history of 900+ posts dedicated to bashing Darkfall is clearly a troll and a pathetic individual. you want to say he has valid concerns? suuuure, whatever you say
I didn't say he personally has valid concerns, hmmm...are you reading everything correctly?
"It's possible that the game is really in fact not that good"
I never said I was basing that statement on his review.
It's possible that the game is really in fact good too.
Potential players read player reviews. I'm sure we can agree on that. When a known troll posts a clearly biased, factually incorrect review, it will turn potential players away. Why would people who know and love the game NOT correct it or point out flaws with the review?
These kind of defensive responses aren't just limited to the Darkfall forums. Go post an incorrect/biased review on any site dedicated to any item, and you'll get responses from others that defend said item. It's just human nature to want to point out blatant lies or counter points they know to be incorrect.
Reviews are just that. Biased.
Fans are going to say its great.
People who don't like it are going to say its bad.
Fans will say that those who don't like it are trolls/carebears.
"Trolls/Carebears" will say "you're in denial that your game sucks".
I on the other hand, read various gaming websites to find out if a game is worth my time. Are they always correct? Nope. Do I sometimes disagree? Of course.
But the simple fact that the game isn't even reviewed by some of the bigger video gaming websites just screams "bad quality" in my ears. I'm sure I'm not the only one either.
Then again, I'm not praising DFO, I must be a troll.
I personally haven't played it, because believe it or not, GOOD player reviews(on this website), turned me off. The game has elements about it that I do not like. I'll still be labeled as a troll though, cause the game doesn't suit me.
Reviews will lean one way or the other, I never said otherwise. What I did say was that it's stupid to question Darkfall supporters for defending the game from a review filled with lies or incorrect points.
I don't care whether you like the game or not. I do care that good reviews (whether they like the game or not) are posted. strixmaxima gave a good review that didn't support the game. And there are others. This is not a good review.
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Well, I dropped in to see the latest on Darkfall, and it appears that not much has changed, especially in the MMORPG DF Forums.
For all of those of you who haven't stopped by in a while, here's a summation :
1. Skeptic is looking for a PvP centric sandbox MMO and has concerns with Darkfall.
2. The Darkfall Defense Force(referred to as DDF) sends out it's talking heads, Darth, etc, to sing the praises of how wonderful the game is, how great it is, etc.
3. Skeptic doesn't buy the hype, criticizes concepts in the game ,etc.
4. DDF member tells the critic, he doesn't know what he's talking about, hasn't played the game etc. Words like "Troll" and "Carebear" are thrown around.
---- Now here's where this thread differs
The Skeptic and Critic actually plays the game. He comes to discover, lo and behold, that all of his fears are true. The UI is terrible, the community is reprehensible, and the game has plenty of issues, many of which the Crtiic was concerned about.
The DDF lashes out, calls him a liar. The DDF points to more "unbiased" reviews by other members of the DDF.
This community can't take the least bit of criticism. Look, we get it, you like the game. The disappointment from many of us comes from the fact this "sandbox" game has turned out to nothing like what a true sandbox game is supposed to be. Couple that with the fact the UI sucks, the client is buggy and the myriad of hacks and other BS going on in game, and you have a certified stinker on your hands.
You can play whatever you feel like paying for, and you can enjoy it, but don't criticize those of us who expected so much more out of this game, and expect a certain level of polish in the client, in the UI and in the mechanics of the game itself.
Until the DDF can take some criticism and force AV to make this game purchasable, it's doomed to the same regurgitation of mediocrity.
That is whats there to read as a fact and in general.
Now to the more important question why are you hating DarkfFall that much that you don't hesitate to violate the rules and hack and don't report hacking to help the game but instead come up in the forums seeking attention about how bad Darkfall is ?
And that's what my game experience on that department was like Darth. As i mentioned above i don't know how much kanechart's plausible explanation actually holds water or not but i will accept it if someone confirms it only because when ,as far as i remember, whenever i logged out of the game i wouldn't log in for another good 12 hours and when i would log back in my character would be anywhere but where i left him.
That doesn't change the fact that the game does that at least once a day if not indeed more.
Ok ,i'll answer that one but i won't promise that you will like the answer.
When i play a game i make sure i go really deep down and dirty with it in order to see exactly what i'm dealing with.That means if there in an exploitation that's being whispered about in game chat or forums i might just try it just to see whether it's true or not. See if the game was as hack/ exploit / bug free as advertised i would be in real trouble from day 1, instead i was trouble free until my last day.
As to why i don't report any such violations, well, mainly because if i went around reporting every exploitable mob, macroing, hacking or other bug / glitch that i've seen so far i would've spent 0.9% of my gaming time reporting those things instead of playing.Besides i don't see it as some sort of duty of mine to mop-up after the dev's sloppy work. Just because they didn't bother to code the game correctly am i supposed to act as their fingerman?
I am not sure wth happened to you and I straight out don't believe you that you logged in at your bindstone EVERY SINGLE time.
Never happened to me EVER. And the water logging issue is well known and the only reason you end up back at your bindstone.
You get points for VERY smart trolling though. Review without ANY kind of positive aspect at all..right. Almost a perfect review and almost properly masked your intent
Oh and I assume you got banned for hacking and now take it out on the game. Or were annoyed with the game before so you didn't really care anymore?
Eitherway, why for heavens sake can't people do proper reviews. It's either "omg this game is the best thing since sliced bread" or "It's the freaking devil and the devs are going to steal your baby and eat it" type of posts..Gees..
The community can take critism fine but they don't take lies without speaking up against them.
It's never going to change - if the DF supporter point out blatant lies they get called fanboys by people who never played the game. I am not talking about things such as "wooo pvp is awesome" that is totally up to each owns opinion and taste but stuff like the logging he mentiones and other "facts" in his review which are just blatant lies deserve a statement and a uproar.
I really don't like either of the extreme sides but I get pissed off if someone trolls with wrong information just to discedit a game. That goes for any game not just DF.
Yes I think we all understand that carebears do not like PvP. Yes I think everyone that has looked at the game knows that in darkfall you will lose. You will lose because you dont have as big of a time investment in the game as others, you will lose because you were out numbered, you will lose because you suck, you will lose because you were disconnected, you will lose because you had to leave your computer to take a piss, you will lose because you were jumped with a quarter health, you will be forced into pvp, and so will everyone else if this bothers you please exit the df forums you have lost your way.
Now you think its because "carebears" hate losing?"
Newsflash, carebears lose in PvE also, doesn't mean they won't play.
Inb4 "lol u die 2 scripted AI u suk lol"
I don't think people understand the term carebear.
The reason why people don't like forced pvp, is because of the immature crowd of PvPers. I'm not saying every PKer is immature or a child, but lets face it, a certain MMO has given rise to the growing population of jerkwads in MMOs, unfortunately its mostly players who want to PvP. They find it fun to RUIN someone else's gameplay.
I used to play Shadowbane, I thought the game was FANTASTIC. Too bad it tanked very quickly, but that game is not something for carebears, but I believe the game did a very good job at handling pvp, too bad the game crashed way too much and the graphics were about 5 years out of date. I thought the game had a good crowd too. Same with UO, yeah there were your bad apples but every game has them.
Unfortunately, bad apples have come to enjoy MMOs in hordes. They now ruin what could be a fun experience for people who want to participate in the PvP, but don't want it to become a second job for them to compete.
tl;dr
The new PvP crowd is what ruins PvP or sandbox MMOs.
It's why I converted from playing MMOs for the PVP, to the PvE. Now I just tackle raid content with friends, and have fun, cause ultimately, its a game, and I play MMOs to play with friends and have fun.
No I dont claim to understand carebears, and ill admit i have never played most PVE games for longer than a couple weeks even on pvp servers (except AC darktide) because i beleive that for a pvp game to be good it really needs to be built for pvp not just tacked on to a pve game. I would argue that losing is not the same in most pve games I mean isnt it rather more like a free trip to the bank. I also think that does take some maturity to suffer the injustice of losing that last hour of loot especially to an immature jerkwad. It basically comes down to pvp for me or else I get bored I need that unpredictability FFA PVP brings to keep it fun.
The guy is an admitted hacker and as such his review is suspect from the very beginning. Nothing else needs to be said to counter his review. The guy is a cheater regardless of how the game actually is.
On a side note, I picked up DF 9 days ago and have already hit 2h axe mastery as well as bow with some crafting nearing the 50's. Honest to god truth. This was done without macroing of any sort and just playing the game.
Ok, nevermind after checking out the OPs posting history I shouldn't have bothered to even reply...
Even before trying out DF every single post is belitteling the game, it's community and the developers whereas in the other side MO seems your game of choice. I hope you find what you were looking for with MO but for heaven's sake what's with the freaking MO vs DF fan wars. Even taking the tame to make this huge post to obviously try to convince people not to buy it?
That energy would be much better used everywhere else - helping MO with feedback for their beta for example?
Reading statements in your post history makes it horribly clear why your post turned out how it did and what the purpose was behind it.
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I used to look forward to his silly but entertaining posts. After this thread I just pity him
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This is true for every single gaming forum in existence...ever.
To a degree, I'll agree. I haven't seen it in such a degree as I've witnessed here, that I can tell you.
[quote]I don't care whether you like the game or not. I do care that good reviews (whether they like the game or not) are posted. strixmaxima gave a good review that didn't support the game. And there are others. This is not a good review.[/quote]
Exactly - there are very good reviews out there like the one mentioned. He tried the game and didn't like it due to his plays tyle. That is a good explanation and he also gave good reasons why he stopped playing. Perfectly acceptable.
Beside i never saw a honest review saying oh btw i violated the rules of the game and hacked and so many *critics* defending that sort of review.
I am proud i am fan and not a *critic* of DarkFall on these site!
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I love how people illegally exploit the AI and then complain about the AI sucking because they willingly choose to exploit it instead of playing the game as its meant to be played.
Well you were the one(s) that went " try it before you can speak of it " and i did.
So the question is: What's bugging you now? That i tried it and proved that i did? Or that you don't have anything left to pit against me other than verbal insults and condescending manner?
So are you saying that you spent $60 just so you can bash the game with some sort of authority that you have now gained from playing it. If this is what you are saying, it really is quite pathetic. Like I said before this post should have been called why darkfall made me cry and whine on the forums. I mean its really no wonder that you had nothing posative to say about the game in this so called "review". So quit trying to DumbF*** everyone and GTFO. You are no different then the worst of the DF community.
Verbal insults and condescending manner..........nothing more.
Thank you for making my point for me
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You hack in MMORPG's, you lied about its features, and you troll a single game with over 900 posts. These insults, are well deserved.
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You hack in MMORPG's, you lied about its features, and you troll a single game with over 900 posts. These insults, are well deserved.
I do not feel as though he is trolling other then defending and explaining why he posted what he thought of the game. And yes his $60 allows him the benefit of commenting on something he played just like anyone here. But in all honesty the only trolls I see here are the ones bashing him left and right calling him a liar. Please if you have something you wish to comment on by all means express yourself. But can you tone down the hostility towards the man who created this thread? I mean he has every right to be here, but do you?