Originally posted by drazzah And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. Its all based on whos playing the character. So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Two classes that have similar abilities are not true mirrors of each other and it only really takes one great skill to make one class far superior to its "mirror".
If you give two equally skilled players similar classes, the one that plays the class with better abilities will win more often. Not due to skill, but due to having access to a better ability.
Mythic may have called them mirrors, but they are anything but balanced in relationship to each other. Perhaps they share the same role in combat (tank, healer, dps), but the power and combination of abilities between two mirror classes that are supposed to be balancing factors on each side isn't there.
I am really surprised Mythic went the route of 20 classes considering how much trouble they had for so long with DAOC. Between the class balance, the area effect spells and crowd control.
Originally posted by drazzah And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. Its all based on whos playing the character. So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Two classes that have similar abilities are not true mirrors of each other and it only really takes one great skill to make one class far superior to its "mirror".
If you give two equally skilled players similar classes, the one that plays the class with better abilities will win more often. Not due to skill, but due to having access to a better ability.
Mythic may have called them mirrors, but they are anything but balanced in relationship to each other. Perhaps they share the same role in combat (tank, healer, dps), but the power and combination of abilities between two mirror classes that are supposed to be balancing factors on each side isn't there.
I am really surprised Mythic went the route of 20 classes considering how much trouble they had for so long with DAOC. Between the class balance, the area effect spells and crowd control.
QFT!
...And the above poster is very wrong. I've played both WE and WH extensively and the WH is superior to the WE and most who've played both will tell you that. After 1.2 WE finishers were absolute crap.
In addition, Hickman's main was (is?) a WH and it showed!
To the op: Honestly, how much time did you even devote to WAR? I'll be the first to admit it has had its problems, but you can't think anyone will take you seriously with virtually no time invested.
yea i can answer that. i played 3 months a year ago. i had such a blast after a free month that i purchased 2month prepaid after that. sadly, in this case the first impression was not correct. had my toon almost lvl30, did all tiers3.
when i was talking about balance, i didnt mean destro/order ratio on servers. i meant destro classes are better than order classes. WE>WH hands down for example. of course some classes are equal (IB=BOrc) or better at order (BW>sorc). but to sum all up, order classes are weaker. this was checked, its not only my assumption.
and really.....no open rvr servers left now. how can they advertise war is everywhere? right now war is only when the opposing side allows it. i thought lack of deatrh penalty was carebear, but didnt imagine it can be that worse
And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. Its all based on whos playing the character. So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Also about your statement how there is no ORVR. Well this is TOTALLY wrong to because even a year ago on ORVR Servers, 95% of the ORVR happened in the BOs/Keeps where PvP is already open, and about 5% happened in areas where people quest and don't choose to go into the rvr land. So saying that there are no ORVR servers is not a big deal, because this makes people play ORVR in the designated areas(rvr land) to do BOs/Keep takes which makes population there bigger for the people who want to PvP, and leaves the questers and people who wanna stay out of it safe.
First part of your post is totally biased and unobjective. How do you know my skills? Just look at my history of mmos, all played 3+ months. I always focused on pvp part of the game and i can pretty much exploit classes to their fullest potential. And how can you say it was not checked? WTF use some argument in the discussion if you want to be treated seriously. The fact is i didnt have Witch Elf on high lvl but all my friends played destro. I also observed how powerful WE can be. Plus i read comments both ingame and on forums that WE can pwn anybody but tank in a few seconds. My WH on the other hand could never kill a tank 1 vs 1 and won 30% of fight against other melees, like Marauder. If you think that they are mirrored, go to wardb page and compare their skills. Besides, WE gets better melee stats per level. WH gets bullsht stats like BS and Willpower. Its not only me, 50% of people say that WAR is unbalanced in terms of classes. Wake up, fanboy.
As for another part of your post.....you have some point but still i think no pk option is gay and WAR should advertise "war is nowhere but only in a few spots". This makes this game pvp almost instanced. As for free instanced pvp games, Guildwars and every fps shooter is much more fun than WAR. I had high hopes with open pvp but they wasted it.
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Playing: Rohan Played (from best to worst): Shadowbane, Guild Wars, Shayia, Age of Conan, Warhammer, Runes of Magic, Rappelz, Archlord, Knight online, King of Kings, Kal online, Last chaos
To the op: Honestly, how much time did you even devote to WAR? I'll be the first to admit it has had its problems, but you can't think anyone will take you seriously with virtually no time invested.
yea i can answer that. i played 3 months a year ago. i had such a blast after a free month that i purchased 2month prepaid after that. sadly, in this case the first impression was not correct. had my toon almost lvl30, did all tiers3.
when i was talking about balance, i didnt mean destro/order ratio on servers. i meant destro classes are better than order classes. WE>WH hands down for example. of course some classes are equal (IB=BOrc) or better at order (BW>sorc). but to sum all up, order classes are weaker. this was checked, its not only my assumption.
and really.....no open rvr servers left now. how can they advertise war is everywhere? right now war is only when the opposing side allows it. i thought lack of deatrh penalty was carebear, but didnt imagine it can be that worse
And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. Its all based on whos playing the character. So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Also about your statement how there is no ORVR. Well this is TOTALLY wrong to because even a year ago on ORVR Servers, 95% of the ORVR happened in the BOs/Keeps where PvP is already open, and about 5% happened in areas where people quest and don't choose to go into the rvr land. So saying that there are no ORVR servers is not a big deal, because this makes people play ORVR in the designated areas(rvr land) to do BOs/Keep takes which makes population there bigger for the people who want to PvP, and leaves the questers and people who wanna stay out of it safe.
First part of your post is totally biased and unobjective. How do you know my skills? Just look at my history of mmos, all played 3+ months. I always focused on pvp part of the game and i can pretty much exploit classes to their fullest potential. And how can you say it was not checked? WTF use some argument in the discussion if you want to be treated seriously. The fact is i didnt have Witch Elf on high lvl but all my friends played destro. I also observed how powerful WE can be. Plus i read comments both ingame and on forums that WE can pwn anybody but tank in a few seconds. My WH on the other hand could never kill a tank 1 vs 1 and won 30% of fight against other melees, like Marauder. If you think that they are mirrored, go to wardb page and compare their skills. Besides, WE gets better melee stats per level. WH gets bullsht stats like BS and Willpower. Its not only me, 50% of people say that WAR is unbalanced in terms of classes. Wake up, fanboy.
As for another part of your post.....you have some point but still i think no pk option is gay and WAR should advertise "war is nowhere but only in a few spots". This makes this game pvp almost instanced. As for free instanced pvp games, Guildwars and every fps shooter is much more fun than WAR. I had high hopes with open pvp but they wasted it.
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Most of the time it is a players skill rather than a class being overpowered. It can take a very long time to exploit a class to its fullest potential. What you see on forums half the time is BS. Played right, any class can do well and if you look deep enough in those forums you will see a few saying they can do what most can't. Even if the class is underpowered compared to something else a skilled player will still make it a viable one.
Originally posted by Jimmy562 Most of the time it is a players skill rather than a class being overpowered. It can take a very long time to exploit a class to its fullest potential. What you see on forums half the time is BS. Played right, any class can do well and if you look deep enough in those forums you will see a few saying they can do what most can't. Even if the class is underpowered compared to something else a skilled player will still make it a viable one.
I think more often than not, those few people you see talking about an underpowered class have success are the people who love the concept of the class more than the actual capabilities. They learn to live with the deficiencies of the class and enjoy the few strengths.
I've said it before and I'll stick with it. Without scenarios WAR would have been 10 times better. Why in the world a developer would see fit to create instanced PvP in a open PvP based game is beyond me.
Without scenarios this game would be nothing else than junk.. i dont need pve/open world pvp and all that bullshit, i need a game where i can play now and than and acturlly have fun.. as a good alternative to FPS (first person Shit games)
its too bad the game had a lot of potential, too bad they went more for the frag fest ... log in get into a quick fight and log out style instead of going for a real MMO.
honestly when i played WAR i felt like i was playing a first person shooter with characters that leveled and without the twitch.
the Evil Raider that outgears you and makes you cry for welfare epics on the forums.
To the op: Honestly, how much time did you even devote to WAR? I'll be the first to admit it has had its problems, but you can't think anyone will take you seriously with virtually no time invested.
yea i can answer that. i played 3 months a year ago. i had such a blast after a free month that i purchased 2month prepaid after that. sadly, in this case the first impression was not correct. had my toon almost lvl30, did all tiers3.
when i was talking about balance, i didnt mean destro/order ratio on servers. i meant destro classes are better than order classes. WE>WH hands down for example. of course some classes are equal (IB=BOrc) or better at order (BW>sorc). but to sum all up, order classes are weaker. this was checked, its not only my assumption.
and really.....no open rvr servers left now. how can they advertise war is everywhere? right now war is only when the opposing side allows it. i thought lack of deatrh penalty was carebear, but didnt imagine it can be that worse
And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. WH is a classbased mmo, player 'skill' only affects battles to a certain degree Its all based on whos playing the character. no, its not So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about. so by your definition the two classes are essentially one class divided unto two sides??
Also about your statement how there is no ORVR. Well this is TOTALLY wrong to because even a year ago on ORVR Servers, 95% of the ORVR happened in the BOs/Keeps where PvP is already open, and about 5% happened in areas where people quest and don't choose to go into the rvr land. So saying that there are no ORVR servers is not a big deal, because this makes people play ORVR in the designated areas(rvr land) to do BOs/Keep takes which makes population there bigger for the people who want to PvP, and leaves the questers and people who wanna stay out of it safe. wtf?
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Two classes that have similar abilities are not true mirrors of each other and it only really takes one great skill to make one class far superior to its "mirror".
If you give two equally skilled players similar classes, the one that plays the class with better abilities will win more often. Not due to skill, but due to having access to a better ability.
Mythic may have called them mirrors, but they are anything but balanced in relationship to each other. Perhaps they share the same role in combat (tank, healer, dps), but the power and combination of abilities between two mirror classes that are supposed to be balancing factors on each side isn't there.
I am really surprised Mythic went the route of 20 classes considering how much trouble they had for so long with DAOC. Between the class balance, the area effect spells and crowd control.
Two classes that have similar abilities are not true mirrors of each other and it only really takes one great skill to make one class far superior to its "mirror".
If you give two equally skilled players similar classes, the one that plays the class with better abilities will win more often. Not due to skill, but due to having access to a better ability.
Mythic may have called them mirrors, but they are anything but balanced in relationship to each other. Perhaps they share the same role in combat (tank, healer, dps), but the power and combination of abilities between two mirror classes that are supposed to be balancing factors on each side isn't there.
I am really surprised Mythic went the route of 20 classes considering how much trouble they had for so long with DAOC. Between the class balance, the area effect spells and crowd control.
QFT!
...And the above poster is very wrong. I've played both WE and WH extensively and the WH is superior to the WE and most who've played both will tell you that. After 1.2 WE finishers were absolute crap.
In addition, Hickman's main was (is?) a WH and it showed!
Your fail comment, failed.
yea i can answer that. i played 3 months a year ago. i had such a blast after a free month that i purchased 2month prepaid after that. sadly, in this case the first impression was not correct. had my toon almost lvl30, did all tiers3.
when i was talking about balance, i didnt mean destro/order ratio on servers. i meant destro classes are better than order classes. WE>WH hands down for example. of course some classes are equal (IB=BOrc) or better at order (BW>sorc). but to sum all up, order classes are weaker. this was checked, its not only my assumption.
and really.....no open rvr servers left now. how can they advertise war is everywhere? right now war is only when the opposing side allows it. i thought lack of deatrh penalty was carebear, but didnt imagine it can be that worse
And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. Its all based on whos playing the character. So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Also about your statement how there is no ORVR. Well this is TOTALLY wrong to because even a year ago on ORVR Servers, 95% of the ORVR happened in the BOs/Keeps where PvP is already open, and about 5% happened in areas where people quest and don't choose to go into the rvr land. So saying that there are no ORVR servers is not a big deal, because this makes people play ORVR in the designated areas(rvr land) to do BOs/Keep takes which makes population there bigger for the people who want to PvP, and leaves the questers and people who wanna stay out of it safe.
First part of your post is totally biased and unobjective. How do you know my skills? Just look at my history of mmos, all played 3+ months. I always focused on pvp part of the game and i can pretty much exploit classes to their fullest potential. And how can you say it was not checked? WTF use some argument in the discussion if you want to be treated seriously. The fact is i didnt have Witch Elf on high lvl but all my friends played destro. I also observed how powerful WE can be. Plus i read comments both ingame and on forums that WE can pwn anybody but tank in a few seconds. My WH on the other hand could never kill a tank 1 vs 1 and won 30% of fight against other melees, like Marauder. If you think that they are mirrored, go to wardb page and compare their skills. Besides, WE gets better melee stats per level. WH gets bullsht stats like BS and Willpower. Its not only me, 50% of people say that WAR is unbalanced in terms of classes. Wake up, fanboy.
As for another part of your post.....you have some point but still i think no pk option is gay and WAR should advertise "war is nowhere but only in a few spots". This makes this game pvp almost instanced. As for free instanced pvp games, Guildwars and every fps shooter is much more fun than WAR. I had high hopes with open pvp but they wasted it.
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Playing: Rohan
Played (from best to worst): Shadowbane, Guild Wars, Shayia, Age of Conan, Warhammer, Runes of Magic, Rappelz, Archlord, Knight online, King of Kings, Kal online, Last chaos
yea i can answer that. i played 3 months a year ago. i had such a blast after a free month that i purchased 2month prepaid after that. sadly, in this case the first impression was not correct. had my toon almost lvl30, did all tiers3.
when i was talking about balance, i didnt mean destro/order ratio on servers. i meant destro classes are better than order classes. WE>WH hands down for example. of course some classes are equal (IB=BOrc) or better at order (BW>sorc). but to sum all up, order classes are weaker. this was checked, its not only my assumption.
and really.....no open rvr servers left now. how can they advertise war is everywhere? right now war is only when the opposing side allows it. i thought lack of deatrh penalty was carebear, but didnt imagine it can be that worse
And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. Its all based on whos playing the character. So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about.
Also about your statement how there is no ORVR. Well this is TOTALLY wrong to because even a year ago on ORVR Servers, 95% of the ORVR happened in the BOs/Keeps where PvP is already open, and about 5% happened in areas where people quest and don't choose to go into the rvr land. So saying that there are no ORVR servers is not a big deal, because this makes people play ORVR in the designated areas(rvr land) to do BOs/Keep takes which makes population there bigger for the people who want to PvP, and leaves the questers and people who wanna stay out of it safe.
First part of your post is totally biased and unobjective. How do you know my skills? Just look at my history of mmos, all played 3+ months. I always focused on pvp part of the game and i can pretty much exploit classes to their fullest potential. And how can you say it was not checked? WTF use some argument in the discussion if you want to be treated seriously. The fact is i didnt have Witch Elf on high lvl but all my friends played destro. I also observed how powerful WE can be. Plus i read comments both ingame and on forums that WE can pwn anybody but tank in a few seconds. My WH on the other hand could never kill a tank 1 vs 1 and won 30% of fight against other melees, like Marauder. If you think that they are mirrored, go to wardb page and compare their skills. Besides, WE gets better melee stats per level. WH gets bullsht stats like BS and Willpower. Its not only me, 50% of people say that WAR is unbalanced in terms of classes. Wake up, fanboy.
As for another part of your post.....you have some point but still i think no pk option is gay and WAR should advertise "war is nowhere but only in a few spots". This makes this game pvp almost instanced. As for free instanced pvp games, Guildwars and every fps shooter is much more fun than WAR. I had high hopes with open pvp but they wasted it.
.
Most of the time it is a players skill rather than a class being overpowered. It can take a very long time to exploit a class to its fullest potential. What you see on forums half the time is BS. Played right, any class can do well and if you look deep enough in those forums you will see a few saying they can do what most can't. Even if the class is underpowered compared to something else a skilled player will still make it a viable one.
I think more often than not, those few people you see talking about an underpowered class have success are the people who love the concept of the class more than the actual capabilities. They learn to live with the deficiencies of the class and enjoy the few strengths.
Without scenarios this game would be nothing else than junk.. i dont need pve/open world pvp and all that bullshit, i need a game where i can play now and than and acturlly have fun.. as a good alternative to FPS (first person Shit games)
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its too bad the game had a lot of potential, too bad they went more for the frag fest ... log in get into a quick fight and log out style instead of going for a real MMO.
honestly when i played WAR i felt like i was playing a first person shooter with characters that leveled and without the twitch.
the Evil Raider that outgears you and makes you cry for welfare epics on the forums.
yea i can answer that. i played 3 months a year ago. i had such a blast after a free month that i purchased 2month prepaid after that. sadly, in this case the first impression was not correct. had my toon almost lvl30, did all tiers3.
when i was talking about balance, i didnt mean destro/order ratio on servers. i meant destro classes are better than order classes. WE>WH hands down for example. of course some classes are equal (IB=BOrc) or better at order (BW>sorc). but to sum all up, order classes are weaker. this was checked, its not only my assumption.
and really.....no open rvr servers left now. how can they advertise war is everywhere? right now war is only when the opposing side allows it. i thought lack of deatrh penalty was carebear, but didnt imagine it can be that worse
And this WHOLE post is wrong. You obviously have no idea how to play a mmo because every good mmo player knows that its not a class that beats class situation. WH is a classbased mmo, player 'skill' only affects battles to a certain degree Its all based on whos playing the character. no, its not So your statement on WE>WH and how Destro classes are so much better is TOTALLY wrong. Destro and Order have all their classes mirrors in mechanics. WE = WH in mechanics, it all depends on the player to see who will win. It was NOT checked, you have no idea what you are talking about. so by your definition the two classes are essentially one class divided unto two sides??
Also about your statement how there is no ORVR. Well this is TOTALLY wrong to because even a year ago on ORVR Servers, 95% of the ORVR happened in the BOs/Keeps where PvP is already open, and about 5% happened in areas where people quest and don't choose to go into the rvr land. So saying that there are no ORVR servers is not a big deal, because this makes people play ORVR in the designated areas(rvr land) to do BOs/Keep takes which makes population there bigger for the people who want to PvP, and leaves the questers and people who wanna stay out of it safe. wtf?
i started a few days ago with the free trial...
i play a rr67 archmage from the start for about 5 months... then i quit and sold my account.
so i made a new account to test again , i startet with a wichelf, i really like the class...
perhaps it was my fault to play a support char the first time cause i play normally a melee / stealth class.
i have to say war runs very very nice on my poor asus notebook.
rvr is the same like back in the days but its nice.
i m looking forward to the new instances and the city pvp.
its not a bad game , its like daoc at the start
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