Well, i just crossed this game off my "to buy" list. I'm not paying a company for shit twice.
Without really knowing what kind of transactions are really going in, I hope you truly feel foolish about changing your mind a 3rd time when you end up buying it anyway. So far it seems like the typical server-change, etc stuff that all games charge extra for. Complain when you see 2x exp items, otherwise shaddap.
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Well, i just crossed this game off my "to buy" list. I'm not paying a company for shit twice.
Without really knowing what kind of transactions are really going in, I hope you truly feel foolish about changing your mind a 3rd time when you end up buying it anyway. So far it seems like the typical server-change, etc stuff that all games charge extra for. Complain when you see 2x exp items, otherwise shaddap.
Feel foolish? Thanks for telling me what i'm going to buy and do in the future, I really appreciate that. What a pile of senseless dribble. I'm going to log on the internet and tell people what they are going to do in the future and tell people to shut up. Are you fuckin serious...really. Don't you have something better to do with your time then tell people on the net to "shaddap" and tell them when and how they are going to change their mind. What a joke. Get that crap out of here. You don't like it when someone doesn't want to play the game you like? Well to bad, bro thats life and we're all different.
I am thinking this will only be for cosmetic items like how WOW has pets you can buy. I doubt the items will have a impact on the game, other than looking different of course. I really cant see how this could make someone not play a game. If someone wants to waste there money on niknak nonsense then whatever, I will be playing either way.
This right here. It's just a smart business move on SEs end. Vanity items are always a nice cash flow.
So this tells me that they (Se) would make everyone look alike until you spend money on Vanity..Bull crap....So now were going to have to pay sort of speak for a pretty costume,or a different looking Idiot pet...Oh hell give them time we will have different color graphic you can buy to....What a joke...
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
I'm curious... for those of you who are totally against micro transactions that affect game play, how many of you bought extra characters in FFXI just for the Mog space? If SE were to offer a $1/month fee to double your Mog space, would that be more appealing to you than having to manage a mule, or is that stepping over the mico-transactions-are-the-devil line? What's the difference? Personally, I'd much rather pay for more space and be able to store it all on the same character than pay for another character and have to mail stuff back and forth.
I bought mules for extra space,but i would never condone it.I was FORCED to do it,i literally did not have the room to carry crafting items and carry all the different arrows and gear the Ranger needed,and that is just one class,imagine playing many classes.The design of the game includes being able to play all class on the same player,this alone means you need a lot more space than any other game on the market,but instead they chose to sell us $1 mules.
They also created another gimmick,you were only allowed ONE high end pot[forget the name of it]so in order to get more you had to create a mule for each,this was a huge factor when growing ORES,witch in the beginning was a huge money maker.You can expect more of these subtleties to try and grind us for a dollar here and there.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
I am thinking this will only be for cosmetic items like how WOW has pets you can buy. I doubt the items will have a impact on the game, other than looking different of course. I really cant see how this could make someone not play a game. If someone wants to waste there money on niknak nonsense then whatever, I will be playing either way.
This right here. It's just a smart business move on SEs end. Vanity items are always a nice cash flow.
So this tells me that they (Se) would make everyone look alike until you spend money on Vanity..Bull crap....So now were going to have to pay sort of speak for a pretty costume,or a different looking Idiot pet...Oh hell give them time we will have different color graphic you can buy to....What a joke...
SEs already made it pretty clear how customizable your character can be from the creation menu. And we have yet to realize just how unique and how many different weapons and armor there will be.
Noticed how WoW has brought in quite a few microtransaction options? Hell, even ToR will have microtransactions...but no one knows to what kind of level. Cool your jets until we know a bit more about the subject.
Well, i just crossed this game off my "to buy" list. I'm not paying a company for shit twice.
I pretty much agree with this. Although we don't know what will be sold in the shop, the tendency is for more and more important items to be sold. The only way to guarantee this creep doesn't happen is to keep cash shops out altogether.
In any case - I object to any sales scheme which encourages inequality among a game's players. Even if it is just novelty or vanity items. EVERYTHING should be reasonably earnable in-game.
Some say 'everything for sale' is inevitable, well, then my quitting MMOs is inevitable, too. If enough people say "NO!" to these cash shops, there will be games which don't have them.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I still don't understand where all these people are getting "cash shops" out of microtransactions. At least read the post before you say something. You basically sound like this: "Oh no, they're going to let me transfer servers for a price! This will give others an unfair advantage, since some can just pay and others can't afford it!"
Just take it easy please. I didn't once see "cash shops" anywhere in the answer, and I don't see them in XI. Since it's going to be like that and more, I don't see the issue. When they say people can just buy their way to the top, then we can worry.
To be the best, you must help each other become the best. FFXI Character: Satimasu FFXI Server: Valefor FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
I still don't understand where all these people are getting "cash shops" out of microtransactions. At least read the post before you say something. You basically sound like this: "Oh no, they're going to let me transfer servers for a price! This will give others an unfair advantage, since some can just pay and others can't afford it!"
That's part of the issue, yes.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Wait, so you expect them to just let you hope around servers as much as you want for free? You don't think that costs them money to have to transfer all of your data from one server to another? That would also not help deter people from hopping servers repeatedly just because they can. Do you think you should have to pay nothing once you start paying the subscription fee? Like all expansions, and any other thing they might come out with?
To be the best, you must help each other become the best. FFXI Character: Satimasu FFXI Server: Valefor FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
Wait, so you expect them to just let you hope around servers as much as you want for free? You don't think that costs them money to have to transfer all of your data from one server to another? That would also not help deter people from hopping servers repeatedly just because they can. Do you think you should have to pay nothing once you start paying the subscription fee? Like all expansions, and any other thing they might come out with?
I expect a server transfer to be free, but limited to once a year.
I am okay with paying for an expansion (as long as it is optional) once a year or so.
BTW, your tone sounds like you side with the company over the players.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I expect a server transfer to be free, but limited to once a year. I am okay with paying for an expansion (as long as it is optional) once a year or so.
BTW, your tone sounds like you side with the company over the players.
The server switch should not be made too easy. It shouldn't be something you can do "just like that". Players will abuse the system whenever they can.
It's also a special service, which won't be used by many. And if you really have to change servers, you shouldn't mind paying a one time fee for the privilege.
If you expect it to be a free service, you'll be disappointed. Nothing in life is free, especially a service like this.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
The server switch should not be made too easy. It shouldn't be something you can do "just like that". Players will abuse the system whenever they can. That's why you limit it to once a year.
It's also a special service, which won't be used by many. And if you really have to change servers, you shouldn't mind paying a one time fee for the privilege. If I have to change servers, then there's something wrong with the one I'm on, thus a failing of the company. Why should I pay for it? When a company issues a product recall, the customers don't usually have to pay for it. If you expect it to be a free service, you'll be disappointed. Nothing in life is free, especially a service like this.
Why especially this service? I doubt it costs the company more than a couple of bucks. It's just copying data. Over a year, that's basically nothing.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
My take on server transfers is that in a perfect world I wouldnt want to. Id stick with the server I started on. But in an imperfect world such as if my server had too low of population for the game design due to the company opening up too many servers or because of too many players leaving, I consider the game company responsible for the problem and they should take responsibility by giving the free option to transfer to a reasonably populated server. Putting the cost on the player for a problem the company is responsible for causing would be unethical.
Of course, this is just my take on ethics in general and not pointed at square enix at all. More from experience with other games.
I expect a server transfer to be free, but limited to once a year. I am okay with paying for an expansion (as long as it is optional) once a year or so.
BTW, your tone sounds like you side with the company over the players.
The server switch should not be made too easy. It shouldn't be something you can do "just like that". Players will abuse the system whenever they can.
It's also a special service, which won't be used by many. And if you really have to change servers, you shouldn't mind paying a one time fee for the privilege.
If you expect it to be a free service, you'll be disappointed. Nothing in life is free, especially a service like this.
Agreed. People will abuse it and here is one example.
Player A joins a ls and takes advantage of them. He steals a high end raid item by lotting on it and winning when he isn't supose to. After he is kicked from the ls Player A joins another ls and does the same thing. Also during this time Player A shouts for gambling(rolling the dice' FFXI players know what I am talking about). Player B comes and wants to gamble. Player B gives Player A his bet but Player A takes his gil and logs off. Player A continue to run these scams til everyone on the server knows he is a douchebag so know he can't play the game legit. With free server change he can go to another server and do the exact same thing. Even if its limited he can keep scamming people til his last server change then he can start over on another server with most likely a new name and no one will know he is a scammer.
Wait, so you expect them to just let you hope around servers as much as you want for free? You don't think that costs them money to have to transfer all of your data from one server to another? That would also not help deter people from hopping servers repeatedly just because they can. Do you think you should have to pay nothing once you start paying the subscription fee? Like all expansions, and any other thing they might come out with?
I expect a server transfer to be free, but limited to once a year.
I am okay with paying for an expansion (as long as it is optional) once a year or so.
BTW, your tone sounds like you side with the company over the players.
My internet tone? Interesting.
The whole things with a server transfer is that you don't even have to do it. If it's high or something of a population, they would offer a free migration for that. Other than that, there is no other reason to server transfer pretty much ever. If you just started the game, you remake it on another server. Don't see what the issue is here, especially over an optional service you don't have to ever use and give no one an advantage over you.
To be the best, you must help each other become the best. FFXI Character: Satimasu FFXI Server: Valefor FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
I think the problem with server transfers is that gaming companies NEVER design them into the game from the start, its always something they only realize is needed 6 months later. By then it is costly to add in to the system and takes far longer to code than it would have if thought of during alpha/beta.
I think the problem with server transfers is that gaming companies NEVER design them into the game from the start, its always something they only realize is needed 6 months later. By then it is costly to add in to the system and takes far longer to code than it would have if thought of during alpha/beta.
I think its as easy as moving a folder to another drive.
That's why you limit it to once a year. If I have to change servers, then there's something wrong with the one I'm on, thus a failing of the company. Why should I pay for it? When a company issues a product recall, the customers don't usually have to pay for it. Why especially this service? I doubt it costs the company more than a couple of bucks. It's just copying data. Over a year, that's basically nothing.
It's not a failing of a company if you don't want to stay on the server you're on. If you don't like the people or have stolen the guild bank or rejected from the guild or you have no friends, it's your fault, not the company's. The company will help you out- for a cost.
If it's a matter of server being too popular or barren, then the company will offer a chance to switch servers into a less/more populated one. That service will be free, since it's partly the company's fault that this happened, not yours.
It is also a way to limit the player from switching the servers, since SE would rather keep the players on their original servers than overpopulate one or two servers while leaving others empty. Make it free, and the threshold to jump over is much smaller.
I doubt the costs of the character on the server is beyond 12,95$ a month, but that's what the service costs. The company is out there to make money, and they won't give you out things for free. Especially a service such as this that isn't some normal, common thing to do among the players. It does cost them to set things up, and that money comes from you, not them. If you want such a service, be prepared to pay for it. SE isn't out there for charity.
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
With free server change he can go to another server and do the exact same thing. Even if its limited he can keep scamming people til his last server change then he can start over on another server with most likely a new name and no one will know he is a scammer.
That's a good argument against allowing server changes, but not one for the company charging for it. You're suggesting that it's okay for a scammer/cheater to move to another server as long as he pays the company?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
And why is this? Because SE loves us, or because they want to keep us playing as long as possible, thus paying the monthly fee longer? SE does this stuff for profit. When you don't run out of shit to do, you're not cancelling your subscription either.
I know why they add 'free' content.
You implied that they won't do anything free of charge.
If they can add content without charging extra for it, then they can offer account services the same way.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
You implied that they won't do anything free of charge.
No, I implied that they won't do anything if it doesn't profit them some way or the other. Server transfers will only do that if it costs money. Version updates on the other hand, generate profit even if they are "free".
Using LOL is like saying "my argument sucks but I still want to disagree".
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Without really knowing what kind of transactions are really going in, I hope you truly feel foolish about changing your mind a 3rd time when you end up buying it anyway. So far it seems like the typical server-change, etc stuff that all games charge extra for. Complain when you see 2x exp items, otherwise shaddap.
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Now Playing: Skyrim, Wurm Online, Tropico 4
Waiting On: GW2, TSW, Archeage, The Rapture
Without really knowing what kind of transactions are really going in, I hope you truly feel foolish about changing your mind a 3rd time when you end up buying it anyway. So far it seems like the typical server-change, etc stuff that all games charge extra for. Complain when you see 2x exp items, otherwise shaddap.
Feel foolish? Thanks for telling me what i'm going to buy and do in the future, I really appreciate that. What a pile of senseless dribble. I'm going to log on the internet and tell people what they are going to do in the future and tell people to shut up. Are you fuckin serious...really. Don't you have something better to do with your time then tell people on the net to "shaddap" and tell them when and how they are going to change their mind. What a joke. Get that crap out of here. You don't like it when someone doesn't want to play the game you like? Well to bad, bro thats life and we're all different.
Am I right about this then? Good to know.
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Now Playing: Skyrim, Wurm Online, Tropico 4
Waiting On: GW2, TSW, Archeage, The Rapture
This right here. It's just a smart business move on SEs end. Vanity items are always a nice cash flow.
So this tells me that they (Se) would make everyone look alike until you spend money on Vanity..Bull crap....So now were going to have to pay sort of speak for a pretty costume,or a different looking Idiot pet...Oh hell give them time we will have different color graphic you can buy to....What a joke...
Some people rob you at gun point..Others will rob you at "Ball Point Pen"
What's the joke? I don't think WoW is doing very poorly.
Man these people are gonna realize a harsh life lesson one of these days... nothing is for free!
If SE pulls some crazy crap I won't be down with it either... but they won't! The game is gonna be incredible!
I bought mules for extra space,but i would never condone it.I was FORCED to do it,i literally did not have the room to carry crafting items and carry all the different arrows and gear the Ranger needed,and that is just one class,imagine playing many classes.The design of the game includes being able to play all class on the same player,this alone means you need a lot more space than any other game on the market,but instead they chose to sell us $1 mules.
They also created another gimmick,you were only allowed ONE high end pot[forget the name of it]so in order to get more you had to create a mule for each,this was a huge factor when growing ORES,witch in the beginning was a huge money maker.You can expect more of these subtleties to try and grind us for a dollar here and there.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
This right here. It's just a smart business move on SEs end. Vanity items are always a nice cash flow.
So this tells me that they (Se) would make everyone look alike until you spend money on Vanity..Bull crap....So now were going to have to pay sort of speak for a pretty costume,or a different looking Idiot pet...Oh hell give them time we will have different color graphic you can buy to....What a joke...
SEs already made it pretty clear how customizable your character can be from the creation menu. And we have yet to realize just how unique and how many different weapons and armor there will be.
Noticed how WoW has brought in quite a few microtransaction options? Hell, even ToR will have microtransactions...but no one knows to what kind of level. Cool your jets until we know a bit more about the subject.
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I pretty much agree with this. Although we don't know what will be sold in the shop, the tendency is for more and more important items to be sold. The only way to guarantee this creep doesn't happen is to keep cash shops out altogether.
In any case - I object to any sales scheme which encourages inequality among a game's players. Even if it is just novelty or vanity items. EVERYTHING should be reasonably earnable in-game.
Some say 'everything for sale' is inevitable, well, then my quitting MMOs is inevitable, too. If enough people say "NO!" to these cash shops, there will be games which don't have them.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I still don't understand where all these people are getting "cash shops" out of microtransactions. At least read the post before you say something. You basically sound like this: "Oh no, they're going to let me transfer servers for a price! This will give others an unfair advantage, since some can just pay and others can't afford it!"
Just take it easy please. I didn't once see "cash shops" anywhere in the answer, and I don't see them in XI. Since it's going to be like that and more, I don't see the issue. When they say people can just buy their way to the top, then we can worry.
To be the best, you must help each other become the best.
FFXI Character: Satimasu
FFXI Server: Valefor
FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
That's part of the issue, yes.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Wait, so you expect them to just let you hope around servers as much as you want for free? You don't think that costs them money to have to transfer all of your data from one server to another? That would also not help deter people from hopping servers repeatedly just because they can. Do you think you should have to pay nothing once you start paying the subscription fee? Like all expansions, and any other thing they might come out with?
To be the best, you must help each other become the best.
FFXI Character: Satimasu
FFXI Server: Valefor
FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
I expect a server transfer to be free, but limited to once a year.
I am okay with paying for an expansion (as long as it is optional) once a year or so.
BTW, your tone sounds like you side with the company over the players.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
The server switch should not be made too easy. It shouldn't be something you can do "just like that". Players will abuse the system whenever they can.
It's also a special service, which won't be used by many. And if you really have to change servers, you shouldn't mind paying a one time fee for the privilege.
If you expect it to be a free service, you'll be disappointed. Nothing in life is free, especially a service like this.
Why especially this service? I doubt it costs the company more than a couple of bucks. It's just copying data. Over a year, that's basically nothing.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
My take on server transfers is that in a perfect world I wouldnt want to. Id stick with the server I started on. But in an imperfect world such as if my server had too low of population for the game design due to the company opening up too many servers or because of too many players leaving, I consider the game company responsible for the problem and they should take responsibility by giving the free option to transfer to a reasonably populated server. Putting the cost on the player for a problem the company is responsible for causing would be unethical.
Of course, this is just my take on ethics in general and not pointed at square enix at all. More from experience with other games.
The server switch should not be made too easy. It shouldn't be something you can do "just like that". Players will abuse the system whenever they can.
It's also a special service, which won't be used by many. And if you really have to change servers, you shouldn't mind paying a one time fee for the privilege.
If you expect it to be a free service, you'll be disappointed. Nothing in life is free, especially a service like this.
Agreed. People will abuse it and here is one example.
Player A joins a ls and takes advantage of them. He steals a high end raid item by lotting on it and winning when he isn't supose to. After he is kicked from the ls Player A joins another ls and does the same thing. Also during this time Player A shouts for gambling(rolling the dice' FFXI players know what I am talking about). Player B comes and wants to gamble. Player B gives Player A his bet but Player A takes his gil and logs off. Player A continue to run these scams til everyone on the server knows he is a douchebag so know he can't play the game legit. With free server change he can go to another server and do the exact same thing. Even if its limited he can keep scamming people til his last server change then he can start over on another server with most likely a new name and no one will know he is a scammer.
I expect a server transfer to be free, but limited to once a year.
I am okay with paying for an expansion (as long as it is optional) once a year or so.
BTW, your tone sounds like you side with the company over the players.
My internet tone? Interesting.
The whole things with a server transfer is that you don't even have to do it. If it's high or something of a population, they would offer a free migration for that. Other than that, there is no other reason to server transfer pretty much ever. If you just started the game, you remake it on another server. Don't see what the issue is here, especially over an optional service you don't have to ever use and give no one an advantage over you.
To be the best, you must help each other become the best.
FFXI Character: Satimasu
FFXI Server: Valefor
FFXIV Character: Tamorae Fonteil
I think the problem with server transfers is that gaming companies NEVER design them into the game from the start, its always something they only realize is needed 6 months later. By then it is costly to add in to the system and takes far longer to code than it would have if thought of during alpha/beta.
I think its as easy as moving a folder to another drive.
None the less a good way to make a quick buck
It's not a failing of a company if you don't want to stay on the server you're on. If you don't like the people or have stolen the guild bank or rejected from the guild or you have no friends, it's your fault, not the company's. The company will help you out- for a cost.
If it's a matter of server being too popular or barren, then the company will offer a chance to switch servers into a less/more populated one. That service will be free, since it's partly the company's fault that this happened, not yours.
It is also a way to limit the player from switching the servers, since SE would rather keep the players on their original servers than overpopulate one or two servers while leaving others empty. Make it free, and the threshold to jump over is much smaller.
I doubt the costs of the character on the server is beyond 12,95$ a month, but that's what the service costs. The company is out there to make money, and they won't give you out things for free. Especially a service such as this that isn't some normal, common thing to do among the players. It does cost them to set things up, and that money comes from you, not them. If you want such a service, be prepared to pay for it. SE isn't out there for charity.
That's a good argument against allowing server changes, but not one for the company charging for it. You're suggesting that it's okay for a scammer/cheater to move to another server as long as he pays the company?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
AH, so there won't be any free content patches then? All new content will be added only in paid expansions?
I see.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
AH, so there won't be any free content patches then? All new content will be added only in paid expansions?
I see.
And why is this? Because SE loves us, or because they want to keep us playing as long as possible, thus paying the monthly fee longer?
SE does this stuff for profit. When you don't run out of shit to do, you're not cancelling your subscription either.
I know why they add 'free' content.
You implied that they won't do anything free of charge.
If they can add content without charging extra for it, then they can offer account services the same way.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
No, I implied that they won't do anything if it doesn't profit them some way or the other. Server transfers will only do that if it costs money. Version updates on the other hand, generate profit even if they are "free".