I have played this game for about 3 months, the OP is correct is most aspects of the game... it does need work in several areas. The one point that the OP is incorrect about is that the game is not fun. IT IS!
I spent the $49.99 USD or whatever it was, I'm glad I did. It's a fun game, its a lot different then things we have seen lately on the MMO scene and the genre is semi-unique. It's a true sandbox game, you can skill and craft. As you use your weapon, your skill goes up. As you mine, your skill goes up. As you use magic, your skill goes up. Nothing new about that right ?
I remember Dark and Light, and Mourning, I played them as well. This does borderline resemble them, however. This is a group of people that DO communicate with the players. They do take feedback and implement it into the game. They are wanting to build a game that players want... not what they want the players to want.
Check it out, join the forums, play the game. You just might be surprised.
I am really disappointed with this game. There's nothing to do! There's plenty of stuff you can do, just nothing you are being told you should do (i.e. quests)
If you want a simulation game, then make it. If you want a pvp game, then make a Call of Duty game or a Savage game whatever. I want to build houses and craft things to myself and other people, I don't want to be robbed by some dude who don't deserve it. This is like a pvp/simulation game and those two dont go well in hand. The developers want to give the players the widest range of possible interactions. You can build houses and craft things. "They've just made it so you can also tear down your neighbors house or kill him while he is crafting. To keep it balanced they've just made it have consequences if you choose the latter options.
There's no story, no quests to embark on, landscapes with nothing interesting at all, I could as well jogg outside and keep me healthy instead of exploring an mmo that has no story or quests. The players create the story, they set their own goals/quests, they fill the landscape. The developers will be putting in more content and will from time to time set up events and conflicts, but ultimately that's just a backdrop to what the players decide to do.
Unfortunately, that is in part the nature of a sandbox game.
I've played it, I don't know what your talking about. So that assumption fails.
I realise very well that this game won't be fully finished by launch. As its going currently for me it will be enjoyable, and from there it'll get better.
why are you so god damn clueless? the nature of a sandbox game is NOT to have NO CONTENT...what kind of retarded shit is that? Even UO had quests and a very in depth PvE game. MO has jack shit in comparison and is a total scam. There is not a single redeeming quality about this excuse for a game and it is 100% guaranteed to fail. Nobody is going to play a game with virtually nothing to do and no story(and if you think the players should make the story than obviously you are missing a part of your brain). Theres literally not a single NPC in the entire game that has any text of any kind. Never in the history of RPG games or MMO's have I seen something so blatantly retarded which totally screams SCAM ALERT!
I don't know about the current status of UO. I only played from T2A until sometime around Age of Shadow. With the introduction of virtues and factions they did start to have more things that you could call quests, but at the launch of T2A there were variations on exactly one quest (escort NPC from point A to point .
I'm not sure what you mean by in depth PVE,. If you mean the number of mobs and the variety, then yes UO probably was better than MO in its current state. However, adding more mobs is one of the easiest things to change in a game. If you mean strategy (i.e. precasting, combos, hally hits etc) that applied to PVP much more than PVE. If you were a purely melee character, melee strategy consisted of knowing when to apply bandages and when to run, which is not alot of depth.
MO does need more content, but not meeting your expectations does not make it a scam. If you want to make an argument, it's more effective if you bring more facts and less accusations (SCAM!!) and insults ("missing part of your brain", "clueless")
The difference between the Mortal Online and the other games mentioned, is that those developer TOLD you lies, StarVault isn't. Secondly, the condition of Mortal Online is vastly surpassed what you say it is, thus you have an AGENDA for posting such obviously false statements. Don't use past failures of companies trying to scam tester, to hide that fact you are a Aventurine employee, super scared of MO... Or a DFO fanbio, whichever comes first...
Calm down, not everyone that does not like Mortal is a "DFO fanbio" And most of the stuff he said is legit. So Starvault tells us the truth about them not being able to put content in, while the other companies "lied"? Whats the difference? Neither have content.
LOL, whats the difference? Are you serious? Did you ever played any mmo's?
To me trust is more important than even content. If I can trust the company then I can trust in their future vision of the game. MMO's are not only a game, they are a time and emotional investment.
Companies I don't trust are for example SOE, LA, Aventurine, ...
Companies I trust are for example CCP, Blizzard, and so far Starvault looks thrustworthy as well.
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I agree with the OP 100%. Nice post. I come from an Ultima Online background and was hoping to find something similar with MO. MO is crap. Do not waste your money. I did and regret it. If anyone desires a "true pvp" similar to the old Ultima Online, wait for a well respected company to make it. These type of games can't be done properly without a solid, large company. CCP is the only exception because their game consists of many cloned zones (solar systems) and basic math as a combat platform, so they had it easier.
-V
EDIT: To all these people saying they enjoy MO and it's a great game must be so damn desperate for this type of game that they're too blind to see how poorly made this game really is.
If quality was the same thing as fun, then everyone would be playing WoW and nothing else. You know, since Polish is apparantly everything to you. And the game isn't about True PvP. Maybe that's why you don't like it. It's deeper than that.
What frustrates me is that people don't seem to understand what they're buying when they spend money. They say it's not finished, they say that the game isn't released yet. You are not paying for the beta. You are paying for the actual game when it releases, with the beta as an extra you get with your purchase. It's like pre-ordering. They do this because THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THEY NEED ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET.
They tell you all of this, too.
They have no marketing either.
It's about more than PvP. It's about co-existing in a living world with other people and having your own skillset specific to you that makes you useful. They are still wokring on the game.
My problem with MO is the fact that they are planning to release it in February. The game is not even in a beta stage condition from the videos and such. Now they mention the bad release of Darkfall. MO doesn't come close to Darkfall in any respect, since Darkfall was practically a finished game (lacking ship building and Hulks) but had everything else in. Granted there an incredible number of bugs but the game is now a year old and in tip-top shape. MO doesn't even have the core of what it had promised implemented but will implement it over time after release. At this rate it will take years for them to implement everything they promised and the game would probably be dead by then. It will take years for MO to be complete to what it has promised.
The part which makes me think MO is a conn is the price. I mean you are paying an awefuly high price for a way below standard MMO with way below standard quality. Most MMOs that have had bad launches were in a much better condition and were priced a lot lower then the price asked for MO.
Lastly, if you like the game fine....all well and good but don't lie to the community! This game is not at all finished, is half a game with a tonne of problems and issues and probably will die. Do not lie to people and recommend it.
Most of the people who say they "enjoy" this game are dillusional fanbois believing every single word the developers say. They make the excuse that the game is in beta so it's justified to be in such a horrible state, but it's only a few weeks away from release. They have this incredible fantastic belief that the game will get a miracle patch which will make the game 10 times better then it is right now. I tell them now, accept the game for the current state it is in. It's probably going to launch this way. History has yet to prove otherwise! Don't be a full and half false hopes....they'll only be crushed.
Do not buy this game unless you can afford the risk!!! It is not a game most people would enjoy, and ignore the features...they aren't there. Just watch the videos to understand for yourself.
This game will die fast; it is a game that will need an active population to make it entertaining and unfortunately in it's current state, that can't be possible since the game is way below the average MMO standard. Games like this always have a tiny population and soon after die or become part-time projects. Don't kid yourself, history has yet to say otherwise. Darkfall may have had a bad release, but it was ten times more complete (at the very least) then MO. Only Hulks and ships were missing and the game was still loaded with bugs, but it met the average standard. I don't play Darkfall by the way, but it was in a way better condition then this game is when it was in beta.
What frustrates me is that people don't seem to understand what they're buying when they spend money. They say it's not finished, they say that the game isn't released yet. You are not paying for the beta. You are paying for the actual game when it releases, with the beta as an extra you get with your purchase. It's like pre-ordering. They do this because THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THEY NEED ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. They tell you all of this, too. They have no marketing either. It's about more than PvP. It's about co-existing in a living world with other people and having your own skillset specific to you that makes you useful. They are still wokring on the game.
The game will die eventually. That or become a part-time project. What you just said about it not being released is absolute bull. What you see in beta right now is most definately what you are getting in release. Don't kid yourself, the game is expected to release in a few weeks if the devs stick to their new release plan (February). Are you expecting a miracle patch that will make the game ten times better before release? History has yet to say otherwise and every game in MO's situation has gone through the same problems. No way can it survive unless it becomes a part-time project with very few updates and little attention by the developers.
Don't mis-guide people into pre-ordering this game. What is seen in beta is what will most definately be seen in release.
Originally posted by MikeyReign My problem with MO is the fact that they are planning to release it in February. The game is not even in a beta stage condition from the videos and such. Now they mention the bad release of Darkfall. MO doesn't come close to Darkfall in any respect, since Darkfall was practically a finished game (lacking ship building and Hulks) but had everything else in. Granted there an incredible number of bugs but the game is now a year old and in tip-top shape. MO doesn't even have the core of what it had promised implemented but will implement it over time after release. At this rate it will take years for them to implement everything they promised and the game would probably be dead by then. It will take years for MO to be complete to what it has promised. The part which makes me think MO is a conn is the price. I mean you are paying an awefuly high price for a way below standard MMO with way below standard quality. Most MMOs that have had bad launches were in a much better condition and were priced a lot lower then the price asked for MO. Lastly, if you like the game fine....all well and good but don't lie to the community! This game is not at all finished, is half a game with a tonne of problems and issues and probably will die. Do not lie to people and recommend it. Most of the people who say they "enjoy" this game are dillusional fanbois believing every single word the developers say. They make the excuse that the game is in beta so it's justified to be in such a horrible state, but it's only a few weeks away from release. They have this incredible fantastic belief that the game will get a miracle patch which will make the game 10 times better then it is right now. I tell them now, accept the game for the current state it is in. It's probably going to launch this way. History has yet to prove otherwise! Don't be a full and half false hopes....they'll only be crushed. Do not buy this game unless you can afford the risk!!! It is not a game most people would enjoy, and ignore the features...they aren't there. Just watch the videos to understand for yourself. This game will die fast; it is a game that will need an active population to make it entertaining and unfortunately in it's current state, that can't be possible since the game is way below the average MMO standard. Games like this always have a tiny population and soon after die or become part-time projects. Don't kid yourself, history has yet to say otherwise. Darkfall may have had a bad release, but it was ten times more complete (at the very least) then MO. Only Hulks and ships were missing and the game was still loaded with bugs, but it met the average standard. I don't play Darkfall by the way, but it was in a way better condition then this game is when it was in beta.
Hmm, so let me get this straight. You didn't buy MO, you didn't actually play MO.. and you also did not play Darkfall either, yet you are an expert in how these games compare to each other? And furthermore you KNOW that Mortal Online will die and fail miserably?
You sound like an expert in the field alright. (at mere opinions, wild speculations based on nothing but your own opinions, and BS)
Never pre-order a game from a indie company. I can only imagine the folks reaction when they got into the paid beta. I mean the game was advertising for a 2009 Q4 release, so they fooled people into believing that the game was nearly ready for release. This is the kind of ploy people can expect in the future from Starvault. Its like going grocery shopping in a gas station. Now enjoy your microwaved bean burrito.
What frustrates me is that people don't seem to understand what they're buying when they spend money. They say it's not finished, they say that the game isn't released yet. You are not paying for the beta. You are paying for the actual game when it releases, with the beta as an extra you get with your purchase. It's like pre-ordering. They do this because THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THEY NEED ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET. They tell you all of this, too. They have no marketing either. It's about more than PvP. It's about co-existing in a living world with other people and having your own skillset specific to you that makes you useful. They are still wokring on the game.
The game will die eventually. That or become a part-time project. What you just said about it not being released is absolute bull. What you see in beta right now is most definately what you are getting in release. Don't kid yourself, the game is expected to release in a few weeks if the devs stick to their new release plan (February). Are you expecting a miracle patch that will make the game ten times better before release? History has yet to say otherwise and every game in MO's situation has gone through the same problems. No way can it survive unless it becomes a part-time project with very few updates and little attention by the developers.
Don't mis-guide people into pre-ordering this game. What is seen in beta is what will most definately be seen in release.
Maybe I wasn't clear on this.
No where did I say this won't be what's released. I don't expect some miracle patch. And I am in no way encouraging people to buy it. By all means, don't buy it. Hate it and post on forums about how much it sucks or something, I don't care. Just do research before you comment or buy something. I don't expect the game to be completely finished polish wise for a good half year or so. Don't buy the game. I'm having fun, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't want to play anything with less than excellent polish. Just research before you buy/say things.
This game is worse than Dark & Light, that says it all. Buy Darkfall, it's definitely better than this and even if MO was as good as it should be Darkfall would still be a better pvp game.
Originally posted by Xarnthal This game is worse than Dark & Light, that says it all. Buy Darkfall, it's definitely better than this and even if MO was as good as it should be Darkfall would still be a better pvp game.
ROTF. This game is worse then Dark and Light huh? Did you even play Dark & Light?
My Gawd. Where do these errr.. people come from?
Mortal Online is very PLAYABLE. It works and has many, many working features already and is also virtually lag-free. Dark & Light was never even playable in any way.
These constant attacks on Mortal Online outright lies, completely ridiculous, and based on nothing except utter nonsense.
Good grief. I'm starting to think we got two or three Darkfall fanboys just rolling up 30 mmorpg accounts to troll these forums non-stop. That's about how insane this is getting.
But let's do something Mr Xarnthal. Don't just attack Mortal Online. How is/was Dark and Light so much better then Mortal Online? Please do tell us, this I HAVE to hear... If you are going to throw such ridiculous crap out there, at least BACK IT UP with reasons.
<blockquote><i>Originally posted by zaxtor99</i> <br><b><p><blockquote><hr><i>Originally posted by Xarnthal</i><br><b>This game is worse than Dark & Light, that says it all. Buy Darkfall, it's definitely better than this and even if MO was as good as it should be Darkfall would still be a better pvp game.</b><hr></blockquote></p><p>ROTF. This game is worse then Dark and Light huh? Did you even play Dark & Light?</p><p>My Gawd. Where do these errr.. people come from?</p><p>Mortal Online is very PLAYABLE. It works and has many, many working features already and is also virtually lag-free. Dark & Light was never even playable in any way. </p><p>These constant attacks on Mortal Online outright lies, completely ridiculous, and based on nothing except utter nonsense.</p><p>Good grief. I'm starting to think we got two or three Darkfall fanboys just rolling up 30 mmorpg accounts to troll these forums non-stop. That's about how insane this is getting.</p><p>But let's do something Mr Xarnthal. Don't just attack Mortal Online. How is/was Dark and Light so much better then Mortal Online? Please do tell us, this I HAVE to hear... If you are going to throw such ridiculous crap out there, at least BACK IT UP with reasons.</p><p><br>- Zaxx</p><p></p><p></p></b></blockquote> <br>
I think that counts as defense #7 with a close #5 there.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
This game is worse than Dark & Light, that says it all. Buy Darkfall, it's definitely better than this and even if MO was as good as it should be Darkfall would still be a better pvp game.
ROTF. This game is worse then Dark and Light huh? Did you even play Dark & Light?
My Gawd. Where do these errr.. people come from?
Mortal Online is very PLAYABLE. It works and has many, many working features already and is also virtually lag-free. Dark & Light was never even playable in any way.
These constant attacks on Mortal Online outright lies, completely ridiculous, and based on nothing except utter nonsense.
Good grief. I'm starting to think we got two or three Darkfall fanboys just rolling up 30 mmorpg accounts to troll these forums non-stop. That's about how insane this is getting.
But let's do something Mr Xarnthal. Don't just attack Mortal Online. How is/was Dark and Light so much better then Mortal Online? Please do tell us, this I HAVE to hear... If you are going to throw such ridiculous crap out there, at least BACK IT UP with reasons.
- Zaxx
Dark and Light is not playable? Really? I tend to think you are the one making stuff up Zaxx.
Dark and Light is not only more playable then Mortal Online, but it is still going, and it is [[[ drumroll please ]]] - It is * FREE *
Want proof? Check here pal, and tell me this is isn't better game play then MO has currently: www.youtube.com/watch
Hmm, so let me get this straight. You didn't buy MO, you didn't actually play MO.. and you also did not play Darkfall either, yet you are an expert in how these games compare to each other? And furthermore you KNOW that Mortal Online will die and fail miserably?
You sound like an expert in the field alright. (at mere opinions, wild speculations based on nothing but your own opinions, and BS)
- Zaxx
I have never jumped down from a cliff either but I can recommend anyone that jumping down from a cliff is a bad idea. It is called common sense.
Originally posted by DaysGoneBy Dark and Light is not playable? Really? I tend to think you are the one making stuff up Zaxx. Dark and Light is not only more playable then Mortal Online, but it is still going, and it is [[[ drumroll please ]]] - It is * FREE * Want proof? Check here pal, and tell me this is isn't better game play then MO has currently: www.youtube.com/watch
[[ Royal Pwnage complete. ]]
There is NO "royal pwnage" here at all. Dark & Light was not free when it launched in early 2006. Only the people who "won" access in their "Settlers of Ganereth" or whatever it was called didn't pay a few weeks before the actual launch. I was there, and the game was not even remotely playable. Characters couldn't move, were walking through the sky, falling through the earth and locking up their PCs, etc etc.
I KNOW that Dark and Light later became playable and turned into a free game up to a certain level or something along those lines. I KNOW that the client is now free. However, Dark and Light is still not a good game at all, even FOUR YEARS after it launched.. thus why it is FREE.
But we have to compare apples to apples here. And comparing a game that was completely reworked as a freebie mmo and is now four years after its launch date to Mortal Online that is still in beta is just silly. At least wait until MO gets the monsters and PvE implemented before you throw a silly Dark and Light PvE video at it, heh.
I have never jumped down from a cliff either but I can recommend anyone that jumping down from a cliff is a bad idea. It is called common sense.
Yes that is indeed common sense. However you are not helpful in any way making recommendations on games that you've only read about. Common sense does not give you magical powers. If you havn't played a game, I would say you have very little to offer in the way of advice. Youtube gameplay videos don't count bud.
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Originally posted by Yamota I have never jumped down from a cliff either but I can recommend anyone that jumping down from a cliff is a bad idea. It is called common sense.
Now buying/playing Mortal Online has the same "common sense" factor as jumping from a cliff in RL eh?
...Wow, these insults getting flung are getting better and better all the time. And they make me laugh more too. Hehe.
I think that counts as defense #7 with a close #5 there.
I can only presume you are referring to the 10 defenses of MMOX essay. To quote the essay regarding #7...
Now, while I think that this defense gets thrown around way too often, I will say that there most certainly are haters and trolls out there who aren't making their comments based on any experience with or knowledge of the game, who just want the thing to fail.That's a troll or a hater, and should be called out as such.
It's a perfectly legitimate defense, just make sure that before you use it, you check to see if the person you're defending against really is a hater, or just someone with a different viewpoint.
The person was not saying they liked Dark and light better (subjective), they were saying that Dark and light is better. What you are calling #7 was not baseless accusations of being a troll, it was a suggestion to back up that assessment. At launch Dark and light was incompatible with ATI graphics cards, had several rollbacks after launch , and has resulted in lawsuits and the conviction of the developer. When a game this many objective shortfalls, any comparisons require some serious back up before "Dark and Light is better than Mortal Online" has any credibility at all.
As far as number #5, he never said to go to another game, he said if you are going to make accusations of being worse than Dark and Lihgt, to come back with some real argument about how it is worse, or to go away. To my mind, that is a valid way of calling someone out as a troll.
The person was not saying they liked Dark and light better (subjective), they were saying that Dark and light is better. What you are calling #7 was not baseless accusations of being a troll, it was a suggestion to back up that assessment. At launch Dark and light was incompatible with ATI graphics cards, had several rollbacks after launch , and has resulted in lawsuits and the conviction of the developer. When a game this many objective shortfalls, any comparisons require some serious back up before "Dark and Light is better than Mortal Online" has any credibility at all.
I never played DnL, but reading the post and your reply I don't think you are answering properly. He said "this game is worse than Dark and light". Meaning.. today... not this game is worse than Dark and Light was at release, so I'm really unclear why you talk about the DnL issues at launch. They are legendary (but then again MO has not launched)
I don't know if DnL is a better game TODAY than Mortal Online is.
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I never played DnL, but reading the post and your reply I don't think you are answering properly. He said "this game is worse than Dark and light". Meaning.. today... not this game is worse than Dark and Light was at release, so I'm really unclear why you talk about the DnL issues at launch. They are legendary (but then again MO has not launched)
I don't know if DnL is a better game TODAY than Mortal Online is.
My main complaint was that Briansho was dismissing Zaxxtor out of hand. Xarnthal's original statement that Dark and Light being better than Mortal online does lack any substance to back up that assertion and could be considered trolling.
Admittedly, I compared Mortal Online to the launch of Dark and Light. This is largely because DnL's bad reputation is largely based on it's ill-fated launch. I tried to check on the current status of DnL and as far as I can tell it is currently shut down. The last post on MMORPG.com's DnL forum is from October. The official DnL forum seems to indicate the game is shut down.
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I have played this game for about 3 months, the OP is correct is most aspects of the game... it does need work in several areas. The one point that the OP is incorrect about is that the game is not fun. IT IS!
I spent the $49.99 USD or whatever it was, I'm glad I did. It's a fun game, its a lot different then things we have seen lately on the MMO scene and the genre is semi-unique. It's a true sandbox game, you can skill and craft. As you use your weapon, your skill goes up. As you mine, your skill goes up. As you use magic, your skill goes up. Nothing new about that right ?
I remember Dark and Light, and Mourning, I played them as well. This does borderline resemble them, however. This is a group of people that DO communicate with the players. They do take feedback and implement it into the game. They are wanting to build a game that players want... not what they want the players to want.
Check it out, join the forums, play the game. You just might be surprised.
To the OP:
You were really surprised by the nudity? Just a quick look at the races in the game could have given you some idea.
www.mortalonline.com/conceptart
Unfortunately, that is in part the nature of a sandbox game.
I've played it, I don't know what your talking about. So that assumption fails.
I realise very well that this game won't be fully finished by launch. As its going currently for me it will be enjoyable, and from there it'll get better.
I don't know about the current status of UO. I only played from T2A until sometime around Age of Shadow. With the introduction of virtues and factions they did start to have more things that you could call quests, but at the launch of T2A there were variations on exactly one quest (escort NPC from point A to point
.
I'm not sure what you mean by in depth PVE,. If you mean the number of mobs and the variety, then yes UO probably was better than MO in its current state. However, adding more mobs is one of the easiest things to change in a game. If you mean strategy (i.e. precasting, combos, hally hits etc) that applied to PVP much more than PVE. If you were a purely melee character, melee strategy consisted of knowing when to apply bandages and when to run, which is not alot of depth.
MO does need more content, but not meeting your expectations does not make it a scam. If you want to make an argument, it's more effective if you bring more facts and less accusations (SCAM!!) and insults ("missing part of your brain", "clueless")
Calm down, not everyone that does not like Mortal is a "DFO fanbio" And most of the stuff he said is legit. So Starvault tells us the truth about them not being able to put content in, while the other companies "lied"? Whats the difference? Neither have content.
LOL, whats the difference? Are you serious? Did you ever played any mmo's?
To me trust is more important than even content. If I can trust the company then I can trust in their future vision of the game. MMO's are not only a game, they are a time and emotional investment.
Companies I don't trust are for example SOE, LA, Aventurine, ...
Companies I trust are for example CCP, Blizzard, and so far Starvault looks thrustworthy as well.
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If quality was the same thing as fun, then everyone would be playing WoW and nothing else. You know, since Polish is apparantly everything to you. And the game isn't about True PvP. Maybe that's why you don't like it. It's deeper than that.
What frustrates me is that people don't seem to understand what they're buying when they spend money. They say it's not finished, they say that the game isn't released yet. You are not paying for the beta. You are paying for the actual game when it releases, with the beta as an extra you get with your purchase. It's like pre-ordering. They do this because THEY HAVE NO MONEY AND THEY NEED ALL THE MONEY THEY CAN GET.
They tell you all of this, too.
They have no marketing either.
It's about more than PvP. It's about co-existing in a living world with other people and having your own skillset specific to you that makes you useful. They are still wokring on the game.
Anyone who pre-orders any MMO deserves everything they get.
My problem with MO is the fact that they are planning to release it in February. The game is not even in a beta stage condition from the videos and such. Now they mention the bad release of Darkfall. MO doesn't come close to Darkfall in any respect, since Darkfall was practically a finished game (lacking ship building and Hulks) but had everything else in. Granted there an incredible number of bugs but the game is now a year old and in tip-top shape. MO doesn't even have the core of what it had promised implemented but will implement it over time after release. At this rate it will take years for them to implement everything they promised and the game would probably be dead by then. It will take years for MO to be complete to what it has promised.
The part which makes me think MO is a conn is the price. I mean you are paying an awefuly high price for a way below standard MMO with way below standard quality. Most MMOs that have had bad launches were in a much better condition and were priced a lot lower then the price asked for MO.
Lastly, if you like the game fine....all well and good but don't lie to the community! This game is not at all finished, is half a game with a tonne of problems and issues and probably will die. Do not lie to people and recommend it.
Most of the people who say they "enjoy" this game are dillusional fanbois believing every single word the developers say. They make the excuse that the game is in beta so it's justified to be in such a horrible state, but it's only a few weeks away from release. They have this incredible fantastic belief that the game will get a miracle patch which will make the game 10 times better then it is right now. I tell them now, accept the game for the current state it is in. It's probably going to launch this way. History has yet to prove otherwise! Don't be a full and half false hopes....they'll only be crushed.
Do not buy this game unless you can afford the risk!!! It is not a game most people would enjoy, and ignore the features...they aren't there. Just watch the videos to understand for yourself.
This game will die fast; it is a game that will need an active population to make it entertaining and unfortunately in it's current state, that can't be possible since the game is way below the average MMO standard. Games like this always have a tiny population and soon after die or become part-time projects. Don't kid yourself, history has yet to say otherwise. Darkfall may have had a bad release, but it was ten times more complete (at the very least) then MO. Only Hulks and ships were missing and the game was still loaded with bugs, but it met the average standard. I don't play Darkfall by the way, but it was in a way better condition then this game is when it was in beta.
The game will die eventually. That or become a part-time project. What you just said about it not being released is absolute bull. What you see in beta right now is most definately what you are getting in release. Don't kid yourself, the game is expected to release in a few weeks if the devs stick to their new release plan (February). Are you expecting a miracle patch that will make the game ten times better before release? History has yet to say otherwise and every game in MO's situation has gone through the same problems. No way can it survive unless it becomes a part-time project with very few updates and little attention by the developers.
Don't mis-guide people into pre-ordering this game. What is seen in beta is what will most definately be seen in release.
Hmm, so let me get this straight. You didn't buy MO, you didn't actually play MO.. and you also did not play Darkfall either, yet you are an expert in how these games compare to each other? And furthermore you KNOW that Mortal Online will die and fail miserably?
You sound like an expert in the field alright. (at mere opinions, wild speculations based on nothing but your own opinions, and BS)
- Zaxx
Never pre-order a game from a indie company. I can only imagine the folks reaction when they got into the paid beta. I mean the game was advertising for a 2009 Q4 release, so they fooled people into believing that the game was nearly ready for release. This is the kind of ploy people can expect in the future from Starvault. Its like going grocery shopping in a gas station. Now enjoy your microwaved bean burrito.
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The game will die eventually. That or become a part-time project. What you just said about it not being released is absolute bull. What you see in beta right now is most definately what you are getting in release. Don't kid yourself, the game is expected to release in a few weeks if the devs stick to their new release plan (February). Are you expecting a miracle patch that will make the game ten times better before release? History has yet to say otherwise and every game in MO's situation has gone through the same problems. No way can it survive unless it becomes a part-time project with very few updates and little attention by the developers.
Don't mis-guide people into pre-ordering this game. What is seen in beta is what will most definately be seen in release.
Maybe I wasn't clear on this.
No where did I say this won't be what's released. I don't expect some miracle patch. And I am in no way encouraging people to buy it. By all means, don't buy it. Hate it and post on forums about how much it sucks or something, I don't care. Just do research before you comment or buy something. I don't expect the game to be completely finished polish wise for a good half year or so. Don't buy the game. I'm having fun, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who don't want to play anything with less than excellent polish. Just research before you buy/say things.
This game is worse than Dark & Light, that says it all. Buy Darkfall, it's definitely better than this and even if MO was as good as it should be Darkfall would still be a better pvp game.
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ROTF. This game is worse then Dark and Light huh? Did you even play Dark & Light?
My Gawd. Where do these errr.. people come from?
Mortal Online is very PLAYABLE. It works and has many, many working features already and is also virtually lag-free. Dark & Light was never even playable in any way.
These constant attacks on Mortal Online outright lies, completely ridiculous, and based on nothing except utter nonsense.
Good grief. I'm starting to think we got two or three Darkfall fanboys just rolling up 30 mmorpg accounts to troll these forums non-stop. That's about how insane this is getting.
But let's do something Mr Xarnthal. Don't just attack Mortal Online. How is/was Dark and Light so much better then Mortal Online? Please do tell us, this I HAVE to hear... If you are going to throw such ridiculous crap out there, at least BACK IT UP with reasons.
- Zaxx
<blockquote><i>Originally posted by zaxtor99</i>
<br><b><p><blockquote><hr><i>Originally posted by Xarnthal</i><br><b>This game is worse than Dark & Light, that says it all. Buy Darkfall, it's definitely better than this and even if MO was as good as it should be Darkfall would still be a better pvp game.</b><hr></blockquote></p><p>ROTF. This game is worse then Dark and Light huh? Did you even play Dark & Light?</p><p>My Gawd. Where do these errr.. people come from?</p><p>Mortal Online is very PLAYABLE. It works and has many, many working features already and is also virtually lag-free. Dark & Light was never even playable in any way. </p><p>These constant attacks on Mortal Online outright lies, completely ridiculous, and based on nothing except utter nonsense.</p><p>Good grief. I'm starting to think we got two or three Darkfall fanboys just rolling up 30 mmorpg accounts to troll these forums non-stop. That's about how insane this is getting.</p><p>But let's do something Mr Xarnthal. Don't just attack Mortal Online. How is/was Dark and Light so much better then Mortal Online? Please do tell us, this I HAVE to hear... If you are going to throw such ridiculous crap out there, at least BACK IT UP with reasons.</p><p><br>- Zaxx</p><p></p><p></p></b></blockquote>
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I think that counts as defense #7 with a close #5 there.
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ROTF. This game is worse then Dark and Light huh? Did you even play Dark & Light?
My Gawd. Where do these errr.. people come from?
Mortal Online is very PLAYABLE. It works and has many, many working features already and is also virtually lag-free. Dark & Light was never even playable in any way.
These constant attacks on Mortal Online outright lies, completely ridiculous, and based on nothing except utter nonsense.
Good grief. I'm starting to think we got two or three Darkfall fanboys just rolling up 30 mmorpg accounts to troll these forums non-stop. That's about how insane this is getting.
But let's do something Mr Xarnthal. Don't just attack Mortal Online. How is/was Dark and Light so much better then Mortal Online? Please do tell us, this I HAVE to hear... If you are going to throw such ridiculous crap out there, at least BACK IT UP with reasons.
- Zaxx
Dark and Light is not playable? Really? I tend to think you are the one making stuff up Zaxx.
Dark and Light is not only more playable then Mortal Online, but it is still going, and it is [[[ drumroll please ]]] - It is * FREE *
Want proof? Check here pal, and tell me this is isn't better game play then MO has currently: www.youtube.com/watch
[[ Royal Pwnage complete. ]]
Hmm, so let me get this straight. You didn't buy MO, you didn't actually play MO.. and you also did not play Darkfall either, yet you are an expert in how these games compare to each other? And furthermore you KNOW that Mortal Online will die and fail miserably?
You sound like an expert in the field alright. (at mere opinions, wild speculations based on nothing but your own opinions, and BS)
- Zaxx
I have never jumped down from a cliff either but I can recommend anyone that jumping down from a cliff is a bad idea. It is called common sense.
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There is NO "royal pwnage" here at all. Dark & Light was not free when it launched in early 2006. Only the people who "won" access in their "Settlers of Ganereth" or whatever it was called didn't pay a few weeks before the actual launch. I was there, and the game was not even remotely playable. Characters couldn't move, were walking through the sky, falling through the earth and locking up their PCs, etc etc.
I KNOW that Dark and Light later became playable and turned into a free game up to a certain level or something along those lines. I KNOW that the client is now free. However, Dark and Light is still not a good game at all, even FOUR YEARS after it launched.. thus why it is FREE.
But we have to compare apples to apples here. And comparing a game that was completely reworked as a freebie mmo and is now four years after its launch date to Mortal Online that is still in beta is just silly. At least wait until MO gets the monsters and PvE implemented before you throw a silly Dark and Light PvE video at it, heh.
- Zaxx
Yes that is indeed common sense. However you are not helpful in any way making recommendations on games that you've only read about. Common sense does not give you magical powers. If you havn't played a game, I would say you have very little to offer in the way of advice. Youtube gameplay videos don't count bud.
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Now buying/playing Mortal Online has the same "common sense" factor as jumping from a cliff in RL eh?
...Wow, these insults getting flung are getting better and better all the time. And they make me laugh more too. Hehe.
- Zaxx
Now buying/playing Mortal Online has the same "common sense" factor as jumping from a cliff in RL eh?
...Wow, these insults getting flung are getting better and better all the time. And they make me laugh more too. Hehe.
- Zaxx
yea im trying not to insult people
I can only presume you are referring to the 10 defenses of MMOX essay. To quote the essay regarding #7...
Now, while I think that this defense gets thrown around way too often, I will say that there most certainly are haters and trolls out there who aren't making their comments based on any experience with or knowledge of the game, who just want the thing to fail. That's a troll or a hater, and should be called out as such.
It's a perfectly legitimate defense, just make sure that before you use it, you check to see if the person you're defending against really is a hater, or just someone with a different viewpoint.
The person was not saying they liked Dark and light better (subjective), they were saying that Dark and light is better. What you are calling #7 was not baseless accusations of being a troll, it was a suggestion to back up that assessment. At launch Dark and light was incompatible with ATI graphics cards, had several rollbacks after launch , and has resulted in lawsuits and the conviction of the developer. When a game this many objective shortfalls, any comparisons require some serious back up before "Dark and Light is better than Mortal Online" has any credibility at all.
As far as number #5, he never said to go to another game, he said if you are going to make accusations of being worse than Dark and Lihgt, to come back with some real argument about how it is worse, or to go away. To my mind, that is a valid way of calling someone out as a troll.
I never played DnL, but reading the post and your reply I don't think you are answering properly. He said "this game is worse than Dark and light". Meaning.. today... not this game is worse than Dark and Light was at release, so I'm really unclear why you talk about the DnL issues at launch. They are legendary (but then again MO has not launched)
I don't know if DnL is a better game TODAY than Mortal Online is.
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I never played DnL, but reading the post and your reply I don't think you are answering properly. He said "this game is worse than Dark and light". Meaning.. today... not this game is worse than Dark and Light was at release, so I'm really unclear why you talk about the DnL issues at launch. They are legendary (but then again MO has not launched)
I don't know if DnL is a better game TODAY than Mortal Online is.
My main complaint was that Briansho was dismissing Zaxxtor out of hand. Xarnthal's original statement that Dark and Light being better than Mortal online does lack any substance to back up that assertion and could be considered trolling.
Admittedly, I compared Mortal Online to the launch of Dark and Light. This is largely because DnL's bad reputation is largely based on it's ill-fated launch. I tried to check on the current status of DnL and as far as I can tell it is currently shut down. The last post on MMORPG.com's DnL forum is from October. The official DnL forum seems to indicate the game is shut down.
http://www.darkandlight.com/forum/showthread.php?t=72480