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I am male and I generally play male characters. The only time I have ever played a female character was when I decided to play an assassin and it seemed far more discrete to be a female character than a male (in other words, for RP reasons).
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This is why I said that for some player the opposite gender hero image is enough.
Just like you some player will act as themselves even with a female character. Deep down the road is not exacly virtual cross-dressing to your eyes because you are playing as you play Bayonetta.
I am not assuming that everyone who does that is "a virtual crossdresser". But even here some player said that they like the "benefits" a woman would get ingame, when someone act as the opposite sex to get benefits (social, sexual, monetary etc), we can call it cross-dressing.
Some others said here that they don't have personal indentification with "bulky" male characters, but they have personal indentification with the female image. This is a personal transsexual attitude based on indentification, it has nothing to do with homosexualism. It is pretty normal to a man to feel more femine inside.
You said the two (avatar image and social relations) are very separate for you, I understand that. But as I said , everyone has a reason.
EDIT-I personally know players that play as the opposite gender for the same reasons you do but as I also know players that do the same for sexual reasons, social reasons etc. The problem is, players who have deeper reasons will not tell it here, everyone will use the same arguments you are using, even when it is not really the reason...
This is why I said that for some player the opposite gender hero image is enough.
Just like you some player will act as themselves even with a female character. Deep down the road is not exacly virtual cross-dressing to your eyes because you are playing as you play Bayonetta.
I am not assuming that everyone who does that is "a virtual crossdresser". But even here some player said that they like the "benefits" a woman would get ingame, when someone act as the opposite sex to get benefits (social, sexual, monetary etc), we can call it cross-dressing.
Some others said here that they don't have personal indentification with "bulky" male characters, but they have personal indentification with the female image. This is a personal transsexual attitude based on indentification, it has nothing to do with homosexualism. It is pretty normal to a man to feel more femine inside.
You said the two (avatar image and social relations) are very separate for you, I understand that. But as I said , everyone has a reason.
EDIT-I personally know players that play as the opposite gender for the same reasons you do but as I also know players that do the same for sexual reasons, social reasons etc. The problem is, players who have deeper reasons will not tell it here, everyone will use the same arguments you are using, even when it is not really the reason...
Sorry, I probably missed that part in your post.
Still, since this is the internet, i have seen more people be open and honest about their reasons, one of them in this thread.
Since it is more anonymous I think people are more apt to be honest about their reasons as the internet is one of the few places one can be who they are without having to explain. Of course, one can be who they aren't as well.
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Sorry but I think that's a bit silly. In the end it's all about what people expect.
For example in FE I got two female and a male chars. I play the game and consider other players simply as other people. The thought which gender they might have in real life is something that doesn't cross my mind while playing the game. They are people with whom I sometimes quest, or who help each or whatnot. Why should I care about their gender? It's just a game where people play the role of a clone in a post-apocalyptic setting.
And the same I expect from most people. I play the character and I expect that most other people don't waste any thought about who I might be in real life. I don't pretend to be a member of the opposite sex in rl (nor do I know anyone who does so). If someone would ask me "hey, u gotz b00bz in rlz?!? roflz" I'd do a /facepalm and wonder how the person got in an 18+ game. Maybe I'd reply "whats that your business" or "I'm a guy" or whatnot, but I wouldn't try to pretend to be someone who I ain't. Not because it has something to do with genders but because it makes no sense. I'd neither pretend to be older or younger than I am or about the fur-color of my cat.
And as said I personally don't care what a person might look like in rl when I meet them in a game. Sometimes those "post an rl photo" threads on the boards are interesting, but that's then something different because it's about the way the people look alltogether and not only about their gender.
And I still don't get why it should matter what gender the person has you quest with in an online game. I just don't understand it. It's just so incredibly shallow as attitude. So surficial. And so irrelevant too.
Not to mention the story about homosexual desires or wishes to be the opposite gender. Man that just cracks me up, because it makes totally no sense either. Of course there are people with the desire to be the opposite gender but not beeing strong enough (or the desire not beeing strong enough) to tackle the problem in rl. And they are happier when they can play the gender of their preference in a game. Sure that exists. And I'm glad that those people feel better when playing the game. We live only once and should do whatever we want to to feel good (as long as we don't hurt others that way).
But what you do is following:
"All People who wish to be of the opposite gender in rl like to play the opposite gender in video games. As such, all people who play the opposite gender in video games like to be the opposite gender in rl".
That is the same logic as in following example: "All bears are animals. As such, all animals are bears."
Notice something? It makes no sense.
Even if people would lie about their rl gender in games I wouldn't care about it. First because it doesn't interest me anyway, and second because it's the internet for gods sake. What can you believe? If someone in the internet says "yeah I'm at the FBI" or "wait a moment please, I think something is wrong with one of my 10 BMW cars outside my mansion" then I just shrug as well. Let people say what they want, what do I care about it?
And the story about homosexual desires is strange anyway. According to scientific studies the seperation of people into heretosexual, bisexual and homosexual is far too simply to come anything near the truth. Like, there are also pansexual people for whom gender ain't important at all. And according to said studies noone is 100% of one of those categories, but everyone is everywhere somewhere inbetween. Just the way we are raised brainwashes us in such a way that we believe only said categories exist.
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I never played a female character past level five in any MMO, ever, because I can't get over the fact that I feel like a creeper playing one. I'd rather play a male and feel better about myself than a female and feel like a creeper.
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EDIT -Misquoted nakuma's post.
Sorry but I think that's a bit silly. In the end it's all about what people expect.
For example in FE I got two female and a male chars. I play the game and consider other players simply as other people. The thought which gender they might have in real life is something that doesn't cross my mind while playing the game. They are people with whom I sometimes quest, or who help each or whatnot. Why should I care about their gender? It's just a game where people play the role of a clone in a post-apocalyptic setting.
And the same I expect from most people. I play the character and I expect that most other people don't waste any thought about who I might be in real life. I don't pretend to be a member of the opposite sex in rl (nor do I know anyone who does so). If someone would ask me "hey, u gotz b00bz in rlz?!? roflz" I'd do a /facepalm and wonder how the person got in an 18+ game. Maybe I'd reply "whats that your business" or "I'm a guy" or whatnot, but I wouldn't try to pretend to be someone who I ain't. Not because it has something to do with genders but because it makes no sense. I'd neither pretend to be older or younger than I am or about the fur-color of my cat.
And as said I personally don't care what a person might look like in rl when I meet them in a game. Sometimes those "post an rl photo" threads on the boards are interesting, but that's then something different because it's about the way the people look alltogether and not only about their gender.
And I still don't get why it should matter what gender the person has you quest with in an online game. I just don't understand it. It's just so incredibly shallow as attitude. So surficial. And so irrelevant too.
Not to mention the story about homosexual desires or wishes to be the opposite gender. Man that just cracks me up, because it makes totally no sense either. Of course there are people with the desire to be the opposite gender but not beeing strong enough (or the desire not beeing strong enough) to tackle the problem in rl. And they are happier when they can play the gender of their preference in a game. Sure that exists. And I'm glad that those people feel better when playing the game. We live only once and should do whatever we want to to feel good (as long as we don't hurt others that way).
But what you do is following:
"All People who wish to be of the opposite gender in rl like to play the opposite gender in video games. As such, all people who play the opposite gender in video games like to be the opposite gender in rl".
That is the same logic as in following example: "All bears are animals. As such, all animals are bears."
Notice something? It makes no sense.
Even if people would lie about their rl gender in games I wouldn't care about it. First because it doesn't interest me anyway, and second because it's the internet for gods sake. What can you believe? If someone in the internet says "yeah I'm at the FBI" or "wait a moment please, I think something is wrong with one of my 10 BMW cars outside my mansion" then I just shrug as well. Let people say what they want, what do I care about it?
And the story about homosexual desires is strange anyway. According to scientific studies the seperation of people into heretosexual, bisexual and homosexual is far too simply to come anything near the truth. Like, there are also pansexual people for whom gender ain't important at all. And according to said studies noone is 100% of one of those categories, but everyone is everywhere somewhere inbetween. Just the way we are raised brainwashes us in such a way that we believe only said categories exist.
Read again what I said Maji.
1- I didn't say that everyone does that for the same reasons.
2-I didnt't say it matters to ME.
3-Yes I said it is an interesting subject especially when we talk about human behavior.
If someone has deeper reasons for that, if someone want the social benefits that the opposite gender can get then we can call it Virtual Crossdressing.
Ok you don't do that for any special reason, but not everyone is just like you.
What is very strange is that when someone express some other reasons here people see it as a taboo.
I am not pointing fingers and I said the first time that anyone should be free to express their desires.
I have been debating on whether or not I want to respond to this thread, partially because I know I'm inevitably going to get flamed and whatever else.
I'm a girl. And yes, I know all the jokes--"Guy In Real Life, maybe!" etc. And before you ask, yes, I'm married.
I play female characters. Heck, I go as far as trying to make them similar to me (same hair color, eye color if possible, and the like). And since I'm Lawful Good at heart, I also tend to play "good" characters--Paladins, Clerics, Priests. I couldn't even bring myself to play a DK in WoW--I felt too evil.
Now the reason I play these characters is because I can feel a connection to them in a way I cannot feel a connection to a male toon. I feel that if I play a female character, I can automatically insert my mind set into that character--she's a girl right? I'm sure she'll like having all those non-combat pets!
That's not to say I could never-ever jump into a male role--when I read literature, particularly Medieval literature, Renaissance and the like, there are typically male heroes. And I'm totally fine with male protagonists--why? Because the male thought pattern is filled in for me. I'm not trying to put in my thoughts into a character as I do with a game. When I play a male character, I hardly know what to think, feel, or do. If it's a Paladin-type character (like in Diablo II, I'm forced to be male), I typically fill-in-the-persona with things typical of Arthurian lore, so I don't need to try to come up with something myself.
I certainly do not think of these things when I'm creating my character though. I go in, click female, give her blonde hair and gray or blue eyes, and go play. Yet when I sit and think of the motives of that, that's what I come up with.
You could also go into gender studies, like Judith Butler, and think about gender as a societal construct and as a performance and how we act as these particular roles--but I'm not sure if the MMORPG.com community really wants to delve into that. :-D
I think the answer is the same as to this question; "Why do men dress up in drag?"
This is what Is was trying to get at...
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All the character I play in every game have a story behind them. The main character in that story is sometimes male, sometimes female. I write fiction too. In some of my stories the main character is male and in others female. To me they are both telling a story so I make little distinction between the two. It's all down to what the plot (mine) demands. Curiously, many internet users seem very concerned about t he sex of the person behind the pixels. It is not something I really understand.
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If genderbending bothers you, then it's probably because you're irrationally sexualising characters (and the players behind them) in a computer game. I frankly don't care what gender my avatar is; it's just a collection of pixels that I steer around. I just want it to look cool.
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I agree with you about the internet.
A MMORPG is a nice place to experience roles that we can't experience in real life.
I understand that to be able to experience the social role of the opposite gender can be pleasant for a lot of people. But it seems it is somehow a taboo to talk about it in a deeper way and to talk about the fact that sometimes there is a social reason behind it.
Remember, I understand that your personal reasons to play with a female avatar are not related to the social side of the mmos.
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why do you care if a guy plays as a female? You have no reason to say whether or not that person is a female in real life or not. does it get you that butthurt that some dude rolls a female toon?? if so, you have serious issues. Or maybe you've hit on female toons thinking they were girls and got disappointed to realize it was some dude and you wasted your time bribing "her" hoping " hey maybe if igive her this gold, or this gear itll increase my chances yeah thatll do it, ill show her how L33t I am, yeahhh". I think anyone who gets this butthurt over someone chosing the opposite sex needs to seek help or get a girl.
Nakuma.
1- I hit girls and boys in real life.
2- I am not looking for sex in MMORPGs.
3-I don't care if a player is male of female, but my companions in games are usually females that I know in person.
4-As I said, I have personal friends that enjoy cross-dressing social moments in game because ... hmm, they are cross dresses (in the closet) in real life.
What I said about that not everyone play as the opposite gender just because their like the avatar image is not always truth, especially in a social game.
You should apologize to act the way you did before even understand what I said in my previous posts.
no im not apologizing. the fact you are coming on a different account than your original post shows that your a puss and cant fess up to taking the heat on the topic. As I said why are you so butthurt about people's choice in gender for playing. There is no real rhyme or reason you should care.
Unless..... you are trying to get to know girl better in the hopes of getting a date. IF that is the case 1) good majority of girls who play MMO's are potentially fatties! so you are in all event rolling the dice in hopes she is f***able, Secondly, you can cut the middleman out alot faster by going to a club or the bar scene and socializing with a real girl. There is no guessing, what you see is what you get. You know..... maybe buy her a drink, tell her how pretty she is, if she wants to dance,ask her what her name is, whats she likes, if she wants to meet up for lunch or coffee later or give u her number.....wow! was it that easy? amazing.....go forth my child! and be prosperous! i gave you the tools, go and use them! lol
In the end if you dont like a dude playing a female avatar......TOO BAD...QQ some more.
I misquoted you.
I was replying to another poster and got your post.
Check my posts here and you will see.
This is why our conversation made no sense
Why would you even care how people play the game? No one cares what you think or your theories on why people do the things they do. But as a discussions it's obviously provocative since these threads always get a lot of posts. This is my contribution, lol.
why do you care if a guy plays as a female? You have no reason to say whether or not that person is a female in real life or not. does it get you that butthurt that some dude rolls a female toon?? if so, you have serious issues. Or maybe you've hit on female toons thinking they were girls and got disappointed to realize it was some dude and you wasted your time bribing "her" hoping " hey maybe if igive her this gold, or this gear itll increase my chances yeah thatll do it, ill show her how L33t I am, yeahhh". I think anyone who gets this butthurt over someone chosing the opposite sex needs to seek help or get a girl.
Nakuma.
1- I hit girls and boys in real life.
2- I am not looking for sex in MMORPGs.
3-I don't care if a player is male of female, but my companions in games are usually females that I know in person.
4-As I said, I have personal friends that enjoy cross-dressing social moments in game because ... hmm, they are cross dresses (in the closet) in real life.
What I said about that not everyone play as the opposite gender just because their like the avatar image is not always truth, especially in a social game.
You should apologize to act the way you did before even understand what I said in my previous posts.
no im not apologizing. the fact you are coming on a different account than your original post shows that your a puss and cant fess up to taking the heat on the topic. As I said why are you so butthurt about people's choice in gender for playing. There is no real rhyme or reason you should care.
Unless..... you are trying to get to know girl better in the hopes of getting a date. IF that is the case 1) good majority of girls who play MMO's are potentially fatties! so you are in all event rolling the dice in hopes she is f***able, Secondly, you can cut the middleman out alot faster by going to a club or the bar scene and socializing with a real girl. There is no guessing, what you see is what you get. You know..... maybe buy her a drink, tell her how pretty she is, if she wants to dance,ask her what her name is, whats she likes, if she wants to meet up for lunch or coffee later or give u her number.....wow! was it that easy? amazing.....go forth my child! and be prosperous! i gave you the tools, go and use them! lol
In the end if you dont like a dude playing a female avatar......TOO BAD...QQ some more.
I misquoted you.
I was replying to another poster and got your post.
Check my posts here and you will see.
This is why our conversation made no sense
ahhh gotcha.
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Exactly. It's just as idiotic as saying "you're human, why would you ever play a dwarf in a game?" Some people just don't comprehend what roleplaying is.
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This is one point we seem to be forgeting sometimes. These are ment to be role playing games, I.e playing a role tharts not you. meaning to stretch your character and imagination into situations you wouldn't normaly find yourself in. Granted the scope of posabilities is a tad narow in games like Wow or Everquest. But it's the spirit of pen of paper games from the 70's and 80's that modern mmorpg's are based on. It should all be about the freedom to choose to be who you want to be. If you want to play an oposite gender character then do it. Who gives a flying monkey fuck what the retards and xbox live generation monkeys think? Go your own way.
I agree that in a roleplaying game the possibility to act and play as something/one you are not is there and should be experienced.
But the opposite gender can generate reactions in a social game that a different race would not.
So, it is not exaclty always the same.
Of course, for some players it would be just a different skin, but it is pretty common in social games or social virtual places in the internet to find people who is after something more using the opposite gender to express themselves.
That is nothing wrong with this, especially in RP games, but as it seems to be somehow a taboo, most players who do that will always use a more simple explanation or just say they like to watch the character's butt, when sometimes it is a matter of indentification, social satisfaction etc
What I really like to do is play games.
I don't care a rat's ass what anyone thinks about my playing male/female or other races than human, I'm playing to have fun.
Sometimes, out of a pure evil malice I pretend to be a sensual female playing a male just to fuck with the mind of blinkered players like the OP, other times I play as a female & deliberately play like Burt the 6ft 8 300pound homophobe fan of indy car racing, again to fuck with the mind of players like the OP.
In short players like the OP are the butt of a great big internet joke, the best bit being they are almost all too fucking stupid to get it..
I agree that in a roleplaying game the possibility to act and play as something/one you are not is there and should be experienced.
But the opposite gender can generate reactions in a social game that a different race would not.
So, it is not exaclty always the same.
Of course, for some players it would be just a different skin, but it is pretty common in social games or social virtual places in the internet to find people who is after something more using the opposite gender to express themselves.
That is nothing wrong with this, especially in RP games, but as it seems to be somehow a taboo, most players who do that will always use a more simple explanation or just say they like to watch the character's butt, when sometimes it is a matter of indentification, social satisfaction etc
The problem is, there are some emotionally-immature individuals who cannot look at a picture without imagining having sex with it. That's really what it comes down to, people who want to imagine sex with animated computer-generated images, but get freaked out that the real-life human behind it might be the opposite gender.
Here's the quick way to fix it. They need to stop being such immature pricks and grow the hell up. Everything on the planet with breasts is not their sex toy.
If they can do that, the problem magically vanishes. Imagine that.
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I always play female characters in mmorpgs. Why do I do this? I really couldn't tell you exactly why but I know that:
1st. I like wachting at the female characters, I always try to make her hot, well in fact I want her to be hot.
2nd. I like taking care of her wardrobe, I like looking for hot armors or cute stuff
Sometimes I think I'm a little perverted, but I really dont care too much, life is too short to stop and think if you should or shouldnt do anything, as soon as you dont hurt anyone, just do it, it's what i think. I have a girlfriend I love more than to myself, and I find her really hot too just i dont dress her with a sexy plate armor lol. She knows I always play female characters, sometimes I show my characters to her, she laughs, then she says I'm a little crazy, smiles and kisses me.
I agree that in a roleplaying game the possibility to act and play as something/one you are not is there and should be experienced.
But the opposite gender can generate reactions in a social game that a different race would not.
So, it is not exaclty always the same.
Of course, for some players it would be just a different skin, but it is pretty common in social games or social virtual places in the internet to find people who is after something more using the opposite gender to express themselves.
That is nothing wrong with this, especially in RP games, but as it seems to be somehow a taboo, most players who do that will always use a more simple explanation or just say they like to watch the character's butt, when sometimes it is a matter of indentification, social satisfaction etc
The problem is, there are some emotionally-immature individuals who cannot look at a picture without imagining having sex with it. That's really what it comes down to, people who want to imagine sex with animated computer-generated images, but get freaked out that the real-life human behind it might be the opposite gender.
Here's the quick way to fix it. They need to stop being such immature pricks and grow the hell up. Everything on the planet with breasts is not their sex toy.
If they can do that, the problem magically vanishes. Imagine that.
Oops there it is:)
This is an interesting post and express well the fact that a lot of players will have personal indentifications with characters that are played for long periods of time and in an social environment.
It is easy to understand your reasons Aalynia and I supose (and know) that a lot of male players also have this kind of personal indentification with their female characters and would be an interesting subject to talk about if it would possible to talk about it in a open way here.
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