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How Long it will take to catch up...?
I'm thinking on joining DF but I wonder how long it'd take to catch up the veterans in order to fight in ballanced conditions against them. In other thread a guy said that it was through a hellish PvE grinding, is it true?
I play an average of 4h per day and don´t mind to grind if it is for good, and the game offers a good PvP in endgame. But please, being pessimistic, how long it takes to be on toe to toe with the vets?
It is a question of fangs.
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Honestly? Considering that not even hardcore people are at the skill cap yet, and that they have a year ahead of you... well... you get my point.
You need to grind yes. But it is fun to do so, because the monsters aren't stupid and its fun to play overall. You won't catch up for a long while. In a clan siege/battle though, you will do your part in numbers...
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Get out of your box already...
There are so many factors but with 4 hours a day you'll have a decent char in one month if you focus properly, it also boils down to your twitch skills. It's like me saying "I've just bought Battlefield, how long until I can PWN the veterans?". It's a question that can't really be answered definatively because maybe you never will.
Are we talking about 1v1 again here? People seem so obsessed with beating someone who's been playing for one year 1v1 and I'm not sure why. It seems many are under the apprehension that unless a fight is totaly even and no one has a major advantage over the other at the start then it isn't good PvP. I suspect many people are coming from WoW battlegrounds to the open world combat of DFO and just can't handle losing to a player with better twitch skills and a more developed char. That's when the screams of hacker and "he macroed that char WWHHHHAAAAA!" begin.
The short answer is I wouldn't plan on being a 1v1 against a veteran PvP god anytime soon but in a group you'r useful and canm do alot. Give it 3 months before you can hope to challenge an '08er 1v1 because it'll take that long to learn the twitch skills and do some training for PvP wether you have an uber char or not.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
Catching up in skills = ~2months
Catching up in Stats = Probably not until people start hitting cap
However, stats only noticeably affect HP and you can get to the point where the HP gap doesn't matter (execpt against some people)
Read my leveling guide to figure out whats what
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AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
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It's better and easier than I thought. A lot of thanks to all.
@xipher: where could I find your levelling guide? It will be of much help.
It is a question of fangs.
I've been following a tutorial guide on youtube (Accelerated character growth I believe its called by DFValroth) and its been a breeze so far to get skills up. If you do decide to join, you perhaps won't be as powerful as veterans but still have enough power to do your own part if you skill up abit.
This game isn't about 1v1 pvp. Yes, people roam around by themselves and gank unsuspecting people all of the time, but it's not hard to kill someone that isn't expecting it.
The most fun pvp is in groups with clanmates or friends or whatever. Get a group of guys together and roam around and have fun. You will run into other groups and you will eventually get killed. Play smart, take multiple mounts and you will last a lot longer. And don't chase for too long because you'll get ambushed by a good team.
But seriously, don't ever expect to beat someone 1v1 that's been playing for 12 months. That's like starting counter-strike and expecting to kill the good players. It just isn't going to happen, at least for a very long time. As stated above, this isn't a 1-2-3 game like WoW. It's all twitch and FPS based unlike any other mmo. It's why a clanmate of mine is able to own 1v1 in just leather because he knows how to not get hit.
I think people bring up some good points in here.
True: don't expect to beat an '08 1v1 anytime soon
True: expect to be combat useful and clan useful in 1-2 months depending on your play time
It goes by really fast and I enjoy leveling up my different skills. I've been focusing on archery and armorsmithing and it's been going up fast. I take time out of my day to do each and at the end of the night, level up my spell chanting. Greatswords on the side when I have spare time.
Honestly? Considering that not even hardcore people are at the skill cap yet, and that they have a year ahead of you... well... you get my point.
That's if you go in on on a 1vs1 must pwn all the time mind set. It takes 3 months of playing your character to get to a point you can roll with groups do your part for that group. DF will not give you everything now, you will be the small fish for a time. This MMO in the old school concept with long term time investment involved.
The DF dev team created the game to appeal to a niche crowd who were not being catered to the big companies. This is a game where your social skills count and can have a big factor in your experience, the main content is the player politics of war and peace and all the grey areas in between. In this MMO a clan and its leader can be Khan!
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Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
There are so many factors but with 4 hours a day you'll have a decent char in one month if you focus properly, it also boils down to your twitch skills. It's like me saying "I've just bought Battlefield, how long until I can PWN the veterans?". It's a question that can't really be answered definatively because maybe you never will.
Does comparing DF to BF or CS make sense as answer to his question? If you give in BF a newb and a vet the same equipment, the vet will pwn the newb because he has more experience with the game. In DF the vet will pwn the newb because he has more experience with the game, AND because his skills are on a far higher level.
If you say "you can't expect to kill a BF vet when you are new to the game" then it is because you don't know the game as well as the vet. If you are a quick learner however, you can become a competetive player very very quickly. Beeing a quick learner in DF gives you obviously an advantage too, but it does not help you crossing the skill-gap between you and a vet.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
There are so many factors but with 4 hours a day you'll have a decent char in one month if you focus properly, it also boils down to your twitch skills. It's like me saying "I've just bought Battlefield, how long until I can PWN the veterans?". It's a question that can't really be answered definatively because maybe you never will.
Does comparing DF to BF or CS make sense as answer to his question? If you give in BF a newb and a vet the same equipment, the vet will pwn the newb because he has more experience with the game. In DF the vet will pwn the newb because he has more experience with the game, AND because his skills are on a far higher level.
If you say "you can't expect to kill a BF vet when you are new to the game" then it is because you don't know the game as well as the vet. If you are a quick learner however, you can become a competetive player very very quickly. Beeing a quick learner in DF gives you obviously an advantage too, but it does not help you crossing the skill-gap between you and a vet.
I think the idea is that every game takes experience to learn. DF takes more time than most but the reward is worth playing. Sure, people can become better at BF quicker but are the rewards as long lasting? Some would say, yes, others may say no. I find the end reward of my time in DF to be worth my time. Others don't. Their call.
Also I was trying to say that by the time you've got the hang of combat in DFO your char will be decent if you focus your char development properly.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
If you buy two accounts and find the right macros, it wont take long. You can play bouth accounts on the same PC with one of the chars as a passive target. Just log the second account in as admin. I can be a bit risky if you chose to do it unattended, but your char will be ready 10 times faster than any guide. You`ll have any melee mastery in 1-2 days, and any magery fast if you got the regs.
Stats is the real pain, can`t help you there.
If you buy two accounts and find the right macros, it wont take long. You can play bouth accounts on the same PC with one of the chars as a passive target. Just log the second account in as admin. I can be a bit risky if you chose to do it unattended, but your char will be ready 10 times faster than any guide. You`ll have any melee mastery in 1-2 days, and any magery fast if you got the regs.
Stats is the real pain, can`t help you there.
I report people I find doing that /gm_report FTW! So good luck getting your uber char before you pull an Arkillion at some point and have to purchase another two chars. Even if you didn't get caught you'd have to buy the regs and stuff with cash (if possible) and you wouldn't get very much HP from the macroing you do. So you'd still be weaker than someone who'd played legit and have no combat experience and be everyone's bitch.
People that think macroing will give you a better char are sorely mistaken and it'll make you a worse player because in DFO lazy players die alot. Running into walls casting spells and AFK swimming give such low gains for such a high risk, at they very least you may get killed and have all your regs looted.
Macroing is just another crutch for the weak and lame and they'll quit anyhow when they get rolled like bitches thinking they're uber!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
As long as you want it to take. You could go for 1 magic line to 100 or all to 100. If you go with all well, good luck, you turned the game into a grind. I have been playing since launch and all i have is earth magic to 100 to show for it and I do very well in the field.
The definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
i am quite sick of this catch up thing ffs
if a veteran play the same amount of time like like a new player the new player should never catch up and i say NEVER if u dont like the difference between you and older player and want to be "fair" maybe u should buy the game from day 1 "eat" all the bug crashes, nerfs, queue and all kind of problems that DF had in the past then should be "fair" many vents payed a full year of subscription we should have a bonus because we give them money and deposit our confidence on a crappy release and others just stay back and wait for better times
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Just play have fun dont make it if its a race to end game or its awefull work you need to do to catch up.
If you play smart and in meantime have fun before you know you own some and your skills are decent.
If you start a game from day one with attitude, omg i never catch up they will own me or to boring lvling your skills, you prolly better go back to WoW then instead whine whole day your behind with skills.
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In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Lol I think they should add stupidity in the game as a skill and let you idiots afk macro grind on that. The people that are really getting screwed are the ones that pay the same amount and play less.
Lol I think they should add stupidity in the game as a skill and let you idiots afk macro grind on that. The people that are really getting screwed are the ones that pay the same amount and play less.
You really shouldn't insult people and especially without basing it on rock solid facts.
All pay the same amount yes. All buy the same chances and opportunitys to log into the game and play. Some did afk macro in the past and got away with it yes.
But... since afk-macro new policy no one is safe doing it now and then people who in your sense "play" need up to 6x less playtime compared to such a macroer.
(Also many patches softened the gain rates since launch and made the process of "catch up" several times easier)
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In my experience, you will not be able to catch up to veterans for a very very long time. Don't expect to be holding your own against old players 1v1 for 6 months to a year. That is unless you can play 8+ hours a day. Many people will argue otherwise, but that is my honest assessment of the situation.
Lol I think they should add stupidity in the game as a skill and let you idiots afk macro grind on that. The people that are really getting screwed are the ones that pay the same amount and play less.
You really shouldn't insult people and especially without basing it on rock solid facts.
All pay the same amount yes. All buy the same chances and opportunitys to log into the game and play. Some did afk macro in the past and got away with it yes.
But... since afk-macro new policy no one is safe doing it now and then people who in your sense "play" need up to 6x less playtime compared to such a macroer.
(Also many patches softened the gain rates since launch and made the process of "catch up" several times easier)
What rock solid facts, has any one even hit the cap 1 year in? For all I know it could be an Infinite grind with increasing stat effectiveness. It doesnt look good. The devs advertise the game as no grind making them liars. I dont trust them and I sure as hell dont trust any one that thinks like the guy I first responded too.
WHAT "cap"?? You're looking at it the wrong way entirely.....you cannot race to "max level" so that you can participate in the "end game".
This is not WoW.
If you CHOOSE to "grind" in Darkfall, it's yourself you have to blame. Play the game as intended....and your character will improve on it's own.
Darkfall isn't meant to be played as a "level grind"....it's designed in such a way that the longer you play, the better your character gets.
There isn't supposed to BE a "cap".
WHAT "cap"?? You're looking at it the wrong way entirely.....you cannot race to "max level" so that you can participate in the "end game".
This is not WoW.
If you CHOOSE to "grind" in Darkfall, it's yourself you have to blame. Play the game as intended....and your character will improve on it's own.
Darkfall isn't meant to be played as a "level grind"....it's designed in such a way that the longer you play, the better your character gets.
There isn't supposed to BE a "cap".
Yes I do not grind But that means I will be playing with a handy cap for a very LONG time. Whats the point of that? The funnest fights Ive had have been fair fights I dont get why no one wants them.
You will never catch up to the hardcore crowd, Even with the faster skill gain it will never happen.