Why I hate World of Warcraft

Johnie-Marz · February 2010

Originally posted by TheHatter

Originally posted by Rover64dd

I quit WoW years ago when the level cap was still 60. Played briefly during Burning Crusade but didnt feel like doing the raiding they already announced another exp by the time I was max level. No Im just hating on WoW because I saw a mention of it in the movie Zombieland and dont feel it deserves a mention. Its funny someone on here mentioned it was a carrot and stick back in the day. It wasnt. The same person on the same post mentions how we used to 'uselessly' raid other cities. Why was it useless? Because we didnt get any gear from it? My god I led a raid on Undercity with 100's of players and it was almost as much of an adrenaline rush as catching a 40lb bull mahi on an old school wood trolling bait the size of my forearm. But I guess because I didnt keep that fish...it was pointless too huh? They really have you trained huh. Purpose in life is not to gain things, but experiences. MMO's have veered from that. Granted experiences dont sell subscriptions as much as greed...but itll sell them.

Yes it was, it was a gear grind back then just like it is a gear grind today. Don't even kid yourself.

Why was it pointless? What was the point? Not that you didn't get gear, you didn't get ANYTHING, Nothing, not even a flag that said "hey we were here" because WoW was an absolutely completely static world back then. There was no point to raiding cities, the only reason you had a good time was because it was new and because of people like me who came from games where PVP actually mattered and it was before we realized it didn't do anything. Even today, WoW's PVP doesn't matter, it's just a Mini-Game. If it was so great and so wonderful and such an adrenaline rush, then they wouldn't have had to add in special mounts of raiding the other faction's cities so people would actually do it. Even with the special mounts, it hardly happens.

I really can't see how you got an adrenaline rush from that, especially if you're a deep sea fisherman that you claim to be. You died, you respawned, you died again. A never ending circle of pointlessness. You're glorifying something that was worse than it is today.

So Hatter, You don't like WoW because it is all Carrot on a stick. But then argue that the PvP that Rover mentioned was pointless because he didn't get a carrot for doing it. So basically your argument is PvP is only worthwhile if there is a carrot on a stickl. The carrot is gaining land (or honor): In PvE the Carrot is gaining armor. (or gear): Same Same.

Esther-Chan · February 2010

This whole "Carrot on a stick" analogy is getting old. It all boils down to this:

1.) Do you have fun playing a MMORPG?

A.) Yes.

B.) No

C.) What's a MMORPG?

2.) Do you need an incentive to play a MMORPG?

A.) Yes

B.) No

C.) A Klondike Bar.

If you answered yes to either one of these, or answered C to #2, then congratulations, you are currently enjoying a MMORPG, or at least being lead to believe you are.. *dons tin-foil hat*

EDIT:: Long finger nails make it hard to type.

Sawlstone · February 2010

OP, sorry to say this but.......you're an idiot

As if you watched Zombieland......

and to make things worse, your only critique of it was how there shouldn't have been a reference to WOW......

Rover64dd · February 2010

Originally posted by Sawlstone

OP, sorry to say this but.......you're an idiot
As if you watched Zombieland......
and to make things worse, your only critique of it was how there shouldn't have been a reference to WOW......

I guess all of you miss the point. WoW used to have elements of a sandbox game. A perfect mmo has lots of sandbox and lots of directional content. Now wow is purely directional content. You can disagree with that but im not making any other arguments.

Mardy · February 2010

OP seems to be having an issue with a game that he once enjoyed, but now he needs a new fix because he wants to start over from scratch, and see something new. Eh, that's not unusual after a game has been out for 5 years. Even back when I played EQ1 for 5 years, I took several breaks because I needed something new, a new fix.

I know the newbie feeling in a new game is exciting, that newbie rush is always refreshing. I just don't get why you would have to hate a game because you just needed something new to play. It's weird really. For myself I had fun in Vanilla WoW, quit before BC came out, went back a 2nd time halfway through BC, quit again to play something else, now back to WoW again. Personally I find it cool to reroll everytime I go back so I can play all the content available. I don't hate a game just because I needed a new fix for awhile. What's with the hate

Rover64dd · February 2010

Well in retrospect it was probably a bad idea but I just botted up characters to max level. I played every race and every class. So yea i burned myself out on it.

el_muerte · February 2010

Originally posted by Rover64dd

I guess all of you miss the point. WoW used to have elements of a sandbox game. A perfect mmo has lots of sandbox and lots of directional content. Now wow is purely directional content. You can disagree with that but im not making any other arguments.

Uhhh... give an example of sandbox elements WoW had but doesn't now? 'Coz I played since release, and I'm pretty sure it's the polar opposite of a sandbox, as far as MMO's go.

Rover64dd · February 2010

Originally posted by el_muerte

Originally posted by Rover64dd

I guess all of you miss the point. WoW used to have elements of a sandbox game. A perfect mmo has lots of sandbox and lots of directional content. Now wow is purely directional content. You can disagree with that but im not making any other arguments.

Uhhh... give an example of sandbox elements WoW had but doesn't now? 'Coz I played since release, and I'm pretty sure it's the polar opposite of a sandbox, as far as MMO's go.

it had the world pvp and playerbase that was active in it

braingame007 · February 2010

I am a big lover of FF series, and especially FFXI, I wasted so many years of my life on that game, for me WoW was a nice refreshing game, nothing else out there like it and I honestly enjoyed it more than FFXI, for all the things you mentioned. I am going out on a limb here to say you probably was in a top tier guild or atleast mid level at least where you mastered instances in no time and then didn't have much to do til PVP come out, So I can understand if that be the case how you could've become bored with the game. Me I loved being able to solo quests and level semi quick and yet the game be really hard in its own way. Anywho you always find yourself going back to WoW because it is the best and now matter if you quit it they always come out with new stuff that keep the game interesting. I am very tempted atm myself to go back to playing WoW, I quit FFXI for the final time and have 0 desire to ever play the game again back in Jan. of this year, but also like you I am waiting for FFXIV, because I know for a fact, that it will have what you are looking for, I can feel it just reading about the game and combing the net for news everyday, you got the best of the FF series team working on an MMOrpg that is aimed at everyone this time not just the hardcore players and ontop of that you have the team that worked on 11 and know how to run an MMOrpg after running one for so long and being successful. As soon as Vanafest rolls around they got FFXIV info during it, even the site says so.

Esther-Chan · February 2010

Here's what you do, OP. First, instead of making a huge paragraph that's hard on the eyes consider the following: Split it up in to paragraphs or a better option would be to use the bullet list.

That being said, the best option is to just vote with your wallet. WoW is a great game with an excellent story line. Some people can't see that because they suffer from burn out.

The hardcore WoW player will burn out or become less and less interested in the game the more they play it. This is why moderation is important. It's best to take the game in strides. Try exploring places you haven't before. Play around with the achievements, or prepare for Cataclysm.

Rover64dd · February 2010

Ill give ffiv a chance. If it bombs I guess Ill need to find a new hobby. I have a pretty good feeling itll be worthwhile though. Im so sick of WoW. I wish EQ got all the popularity WoW receives. Maybe on day theyll make an MMO for my kind of peeps. Cmon FFIV dont dissappoint

CrazKanuk · February 2010

Originally posted by Axehilt

It's a fun game. Play it or don't.
No reason to hate on it if you feel most of the game is good, but overall it fails to give you that "exploring a new world" fix. Not everything has to be Hate or Love Extremism. You can simply write it off as a great game that no longer gives you enough fun to be worth it anymore.

Totally agree! I actually just started playing again after taking 6 months off. I'm not even playing my main right now, even though there's all this new content. There are a couple of things that ruin a game. First, it doesn't become a game anymore. At first, the math of stats is fun. Trying to squeeze every single ounce out of our DPS is awesome! There are leaps and bounds and new things to conquer.

Then we're at end-game content. Welcome to Fishing 101. Or Cooking 101. There is spending 6 hours in an instance to obtain nothing, to gain nothing. This doesn't mean that WoW can't provide you with this same feeling. Try something different. Level some other characters. Level the other faction.

The only knock I really have on WoW is that graphics is falling behind. However, it isn't so bad that I really care that much. I think that by looking for something to fill that void or exceed our expectations can only let us down. Especially when WoW is so strong to begin with.

Esther-Chan · February 2010

Originally posted by CrazKanuk

Originally posted by Axehilt

It's a fun game. Play it or don't.
No reason to hate on it if you feel most of the game is good, but overall it fails to give you that "exploring a new world" fix. Not everything has to be Hate or Love Extremism. You can simply write it off as a great game that no longer gives you enough fun to be worth it anymore.

The only knock I really have on WoW is that graphics is falling behind. However, it isn't so bad that I really care that much. I think that by looking for something to fill that void or exceed our expectations can only let us down. Especially when WoW is so strong to begin with.

That's my biggest peeve, too. WoW literally has "one" pretty face for most characters. They really need to update their character polygon count at least. Especially the humans. All the Male Human spell casters look like they rolled 20s in their strength stat.

CrazKanuk · February 2010

Originally posted by Esther-Chan

Originally posted by CrazKanuk

Originally posted by Axehilt

It's a fun game. Play it or don't.
No reason to hate on it if you feel most of the game is good, but overall it fails to give you that "exploring a new world" fix. Not everything has to be Hate or Love Extremism. You can simply write it off as a great game that no longer gives you enough fun to be worth it anymore.

The only knock I really have on WoW is that graphics is falling behind. However, it isn't so bad that I really care that much. I think that by looking for something to fill that void or exceed our expectations can only let us down. Especially when WoW is so strong to begin with.

That's my biggest peeve, too. WoW literally has "one" pretty face for most characters. They really need to update their character polygon count at least. Especially the humans. All the Male Human spell casters look like they rolled 20s in their strength stat.

Lol! Hey! We want to look like we rolled 20s in Strength. I probably look like I rolled a 5, lol. My gut rolled a 10 though.

I agree, though. I mean I think my biggest concern is will we get into a situation like Aion where larger-scale PvP battles will be unmanageable button mashes. I mean Winterspring is bad enough as-is without worrying about another couple billion polygons flying around.

I don't know. Maybe we could have massive scale stick person battles and get wicked performance

Astralglide · February 2010

Originally posted by Rover64dd

Well in retrospect it was probably a bad idea but I just botted up characters to max level. I played every race and every class. So yea i burned myself out on it.

Wait, so you're one of those people who use bots in-game? You should delete all of your toons then. You are a cheater. Good riddance. Please don't come back

Holgranth · February 2010

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Rover64dd

Well in retrospect it was probably a bad idea but I just botted up characters to max level. I played every race and every class. So yea i burned myself out on it.

Wait, so you're one of those people who use bots in-game? You should delete all of your toons then. You are a cheater. Good riddance. Please don't come back

I don't usually post things like this on threads like this but I'm going to make an exception here:

Get lost! Either stop cheating or stop playing mmo's peroid. Actually stop playing multiplayer games or sports of any sort peroid if you can't stop cheating.

BizkitNL · February 2010

Originally posted by Holgranth

Originally posted by Astralglide

Originally posted by Rover64dd

Well in retrospect it was probably a bad idea but I just botted up characters to max level. I played every race and every class. So yea i burned myself out on it.

Wait, so you're one of those people who use bots in-game? You should delete all of your toons then. You are a cheater. Good riddance. Please don't come back

I don't usually post things like this on threads like this but I'm going to make an exception here:

Get lost! Either stop cheating or stop playing mmo's peroid. Actually stop playing multiplayer games or sports of any sort peroid if you can't stop cheating.

It's actually pretty funny. He payed Blizzard to NOT play the game (but instead have some software do the playing for him).

Daffid011 · February 2010

Originally posted by Rover64dd

You kids werent there at the beginning. Those of us who had just left FFXI or EQ looking for a new world crash landed in the World of Warcraft. We found ourselves levelling as fast as we could in this new quest and solo environment trying to work out this new instanced dungeon bull. So we played WoW. We played it hard. And then, PvP. We were so deathly sick of strat and all that PvP was a godsend. We had massive battles in open zones and I massacred anyone as the high damaging pally. Then came the nerfings. We ALL got nerfed. We got nerfed so hard the die hards left and the newbies kept on coming. Sooner or later though we all came back. We all gave the game another shot in its newfound equal world. But after everything is said and done. After I went to vanguard, then to eq2, then back to ffxi, and eq, I still have this void left in me. I still feel like I have unfinished business in WoW. I played it years ago, I did all the raids, I master Onyxia with ten man groups. But yet still, with these expansions, I still feel I need to play. But I say nay. I hate WoW. I miss the butterfly in the stomach feeling you get from a new world. I miss the way EQ and FFXI and early WoW made us feel. Thats not there anymore in new games. Its all a grind. Its all a carrot and stick scam. Please FFIV, treat us right. Bring back that feeling of a new world. Make us feel like the first natives that discovered Hawaii. Make us feel like Ponce De Leon hitting the new world. No more of the same bull. I want new. And because of that I vow never to return to WoW.

It doesn't matter what mmo you play, because you are your own worst enemy. You will burn through the content just to be fast and frankly you will miss the greatest parts of an mmo.

As you have already admitted you cheat by botting characters to max level and that just makes it even worse on yourself.

No matter what new world you infect, you will ruin that for yourself also and then run around crying about how you hate this or that about the next game.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but no company is going to make a game that caters to you. Companies gave up on catering to the rush rush crowd a long time ago, because they just complain and leave now matter what.

zephyr86 · February 2010

Hate is a strong word, and lets face it, if you hate WoW you wouldnt be playing it.

I think people hate the fact that there isnt anything new coming out that WoW hasnt done in some way.

Sure, we have games like WAR where you level via PvP, or EVE Online where your options are only limited by what skills you have learned, but this has been the norm for MMO's in the past decade.

If people really hate the standard MMO mechanics of leveling, questing, and grinding, etc. Then why not support games who are trying to change the genre.

Many people think that because a game doesnt fit the status quo of what an MMO is, its not worth a subscription fee, let alone deserving of the title of "MMO".

Global Agenda has tried this with fast paced 10v10 action and Conquest gameplay where players fight for control of a hex map. The gameplay is fun, and with future content on the way things are looking promising for this new release.

But the MMO I am really excited about is APB. Why? Because it is so different from anything we have seen before in an MMO. The character & car customization in that game alone is staggering. It has a music editor and graphics editor to make your own art & tattoos to tag yourself and your friends with. Not to mention it's Modern/Contemporary setting opposed to the norm of Sci-Fi or Fantasy that the genre is rife with these days.

If people want something new in the MMO genre, then they should support new Ideas emerging from the industry rather than questioning it with concerned looks "Hmm, but thats never been done before, can it really work?"

HitechLolife · February 2010

If OP honestly didn't like WoW he wouldn't have played it originally. I've tried to get into it a couple times since release but it's just not my cup of tea. I don't like the game but who fracking cares? What bearing does it have on anyone's life - anywhere - why I don't like a game. Why would anyone think airing such opinions matters in the slightest?

Vulnero87 · February 2010

Is it just me or does it seem ironic that OP is complaining about WoW because of personal reasons. Then everyone else is complaining that his personal reason are wrong?

Hmm what's the keyword there....?

Seems just as retarded as arguing what religion is better.

Reccoo · February 2010

This whole site just gets more and more bizzare every year. Like I care why u hate wow. Maybe i should start a thread on why i hate you and your shit posts.

Toquio3 · February 2010

Originally posted by Reccoo

This whole site just gets more and more bizzare every year. Like I care why u hate wow. Maybe i should start a thread on why i hate you and your shit posts.

Made me laugh

Wizardry · February 2010

It sounds to me the OP is typical of a WOW player,you had more fun when dominating at PVP as a PAlly.This is the ego part that drives players in WOW,they constantly chase that carrot to become more dominating to brag/show off or build their egos,it is something gaming should NOT be about.This leads me to believe the OP will in no way like FFXIV,it will be about team work,there is no balance in FF games,because there is no PVP,each class you play will be unique without worrying about nerfs or weather you are a better dps than the other guy.

What amazes me is how players still try to turn FF games into an ego trip ,with their parsers and such.They think 50 more damage means faster leveling,witch in turn means what?Well there will be no levels in FFXIV so no race to showoff your levels,and thank god,no constant level dings in chat.

Because of RMT problems Square also showed us a trend to make more Rare/ex items, this is good,it makes players EARN their loot instead of buying it.Square says they are already prepared to stop RMT and they do not allow addons,so again this will keep a lot of weak gamers away.

My main hope for FFXIV is that the design leads us to a mature community,FFXI did this wonderfully albeit got diluted over time.It just amazes me the idiotic chat i have seen in all games outside of FFXI,and yes i blame the design for it,a poor design attracts the immature gamers.If FFXIV leans too much towards solo play it will attract those immature players,chat WILL become the same nonsense we see in other games.I fear for this because Square is more worried about subs than maintaining their classic TRUE MMORPG design.It could all be PR talk though,FFXIV could very well be identical to FFXI game play but with a few twists.

Daffid011 · February 2010

Originally posted by Vulnero87

Is it just me or does it seem ironic that OP is complaining about WoW because of personal reasons. Then everyone else is complaining that his personal reason are wrong?
Hmm what's the keyword there....?
Seems just as retarded as arguing what religion is better.

The original poster took an attitude of "you noobs weren't there and you don't know any better" and followed it by speaking of the "we" and "us" in regards to all of his opinions as if he is some elected leader. He does a pretty fine job of speaking the opinions of so many people in a post that is titled about his own views.

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