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No PvP? Any talks of open PvP in the future?
depain
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No PvP? This is an absolute turnoff. Any news of a world PvP server in the future?
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Final Fantasy + PvP? Are you like, a crazy person?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
Im a fan of PVP myself, but not all games suit that kind of gameplay, and adding it on to a game that isnt really meant to be PVP, is usually a fail - i've yet to see it work that is. So while i am a PVP'er generally, i will still be getting FFXIV
99% of the MMO's on the market have PvP. There is a need for purely PvE games. I only know of two games which are primarily PvE: FFXI and LoTRO, which are both excellent.
I feel that any game that tries to do both PvP and PvE, ends up doing both poorly. I'd like to say the exception is WoW, but in Vanilla wow, you had 95% PvE and some world PvP (though fun) was broken in terms of the ranking system.
Then you added Arenas, where the best PvE geared people were kicking the ass of those that just wanted to PvP. Then came resilience and it all went downhill from there. How many times do you know of a class being nerfed in PvE as a consequence of that class being OP in Arenas? One was the Prot warrior stacking block value.
Back on point, so if FFXIV does not have any pvp and will be purely focusing on PvE, that's great news. Just as a previous poster stated, Final Fantasies have never had pvp as their focus. FFXI had Balista which was a "for fun" type pvp you could do, but didn't really matter to the game.
You should also know that FFXIV is designed with an eastern mindset. Japanese players do not tolerate griefing (i.e. corpse camping). They don't want to design a game where people are frustrated when they play. Also, Eastern philosophy is more, "working together against a powerful enemy" type approach.
I like variety between MMO'S in the market. Unlike other people, I do not believe PvP has to be in every single game. FFXI maintained a 500k subscriber base during WoW's peak, so that clearly shows there is a market for purely PvE games. There was also a poll done on "whether you would play a purely PvE MMO" on the general forums and it was overwhelmingly YES!
No PvP means that it won't enjoy the mainstream success of WoW and it won't exceed WoW's subscriber base. But for someone like me who played FFXI as his first MMO and fell in love with it, I think the design choices for FFXIV are perfect thus far.
No PvP in Final Fantasy XIV? that is awesome. I'm now so totally getting this game. I have been turned off by the MMO genre as of late, because of all the PvP focus games. Now a game that doesnt focus on PvPing is my kind of game. LoTR i couldnt get into for some odd reason. I guess because of the slow combat, but Final Fantasy XIV is a for sure thing for me
no pvp? no jumping? what else? cant walk inside of buildings?
I'm not requiring some grand scheme of PvP. I was merely hoping for a simple PvP server.
I played on EverQuest II, a game that's dominated by PvE; I enjoyed it. However, I see no real reason why some form of open world pvp server cannot be added. I think they are cutting off a huge portion of the market.
I think the game looks great. However, I simply won't delve into it due to the lack of PvP.
This game
Is
Not
Designed
For
Everyone.
If you belong in the group this game is not designed for, tough luck. However, if you join the game wanting the company to change it to your preferences, have fun, because they won't listen.
Why can't it be added? Because it's a waste of resources. They're not aiming to please people like you. They're not aiming to make a competitive game, but a cooperative one. If you can't understand the thought, too bad for you.
You can't have PvP in FFXIV (especially at this point) because the game has been designed and BALANCED around PvE for 4 years now. To add PvP in the game at this late stage requires a lot of balancing between the classes to make it work. Their entire resource team would be balancing around PvP.
I'd rather the developers spend most of their time developing compelling PvE content. I am VERY VERY happy this game doesn't have PvP.
I was also happy to discover my new PS3 has a built in wireless modem. I don't have to buy the 50 foot CAT cable I was planning on buying.
Yeah you should direct that towards every other MMO not doing that...FFXI already allows players to enter every building in the game unless its tied to the storyline of an quest or mission. And I see this happening in XIV too.
Also the mention that LOTRO is PvE...heh. On the surface sure it may look like PvE, but underneath the entire game is still run by the PvMP ruleset, same as WoW....appears to be PvE in the open world but its all still balanced by PvP. Like when was the last time Blizzard ever had an emergency shutdown of the servers when something PvE was broken....yeah never, but OMG PvP is broken...shut it all down now...we must fix it!
I've seen this happen in many other MMOs too...even LOTRO when they had the chicken run event in Ettenmoors break...only a few players {me} were able to complete it and get the special title from it, and then it broke...server went down immediately to shut down the event....etc
And yeah screw PvP, 99.7% of all MMOs have PvP, FFXI and FFXIV are the only true PvE MMOs...they don't need PvP too....go play one of the other 300+ titles if u must act like a jerk and think your special cause you can best other virtual characters better....o boy...have a cookie for that accomplishment!
In another PvP in FFXIV (related) thread someone said that "jumping" is a strategic element in gameplay, and especially in PvP.
Well......................... that's only the case if the combat engine and game mechanics factor in jumping as a variable. If a game does not include jumping, it has no relevance to pvp. Luckily FFXIV has neither.
I have nothing against jumping, i'm apathetic to it actually, but to say it's an important part of an MMO is laughable. It's only important if the developers make it so.
People need to see things outside the box and treat each game on its own merits.
I think I agree with most of the thoughtful posts here when they say no pvp in FFXIV isn't necessarily a bad thing.
I too, have been bored of the focus of PvP in most games lately. Though I am enjoying Fallen Earth, I really cannot wait for FFXIV to come out.
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Op, this game will probably not be for you if your a heavy PVPer. FF games focus on PVE and strategy whether mmo or rpg. If thats not your thing, im sure there are a ton of other games that will suit your needs.
If you want final fantasy with PVP and combat that's fast, reactive and takes skill I would hold out for tera. I'm not too bothered about lack of PVP in final fantasy, I mainly played it for the community and awesome storyline quests.
Funny how the attempt to do both results in a poor outcome, except for the most popularly subscruibed-to product. And the other more popularly sucscribed to products,compared to pve only products.
In the end, any gaming product will have an audience, and ones measure of success isnt only based on subscription numbers, though I prefer a smart and well implemented blend of pve and pvp.
PvE only product, that has been #2~5 on the list of subscribers for 8 years... The age is helding down the popularity, not the PvE-focus... as we've seen in threads on this forum, players don't mind having no PvP and a great portion even prefers it that way.
You prefer a well implemented blend of pvp and pve, I prefer a well implemented pve without pvp. Can I have a game to play too, for once?
There was a time in XI where this group of jerks decided they would camp right where we were. It was actually a bunch of Taru's, and it pissed me off so bad. Even being a Taru myself I still wanted to cast Firaga on them and start a throwdown for the camp.. But we just moved instead, which sucks ass because we were their first. But other than that I really don't remember ever feeling the need to have open PvP in the game. So I'm fine with a all PvE game.
Meh...I'm ok with it. I do like to PvP, but way too many issues arise in games where they try to balance PvE and PvP. One aspect always has to suffer for the other to work.
Do you really want to play a game that was developed solely for PvE with PvP tacked on as an after thought? Most great PvP games (EVE, DAOC, DF, UO, Shadowbane) were designed with PvP in mind from the very beginning. Most crappy PvP games (WoW, AoC, WAR) focused on the PvE aspects of the game then either right before launch or some time after launch, threw in a half-assed PvP system.
If they attempt to add a PvP system to FFXIV, they will most likely just piss off more customers than they make happy.
Funny how the attempt to do both results in a poor outcome, except for the most popularly subscruibed-to product. And the other more popularly sucscribed to products,compared to pve only products.
In the end, any gaming product will have an audience, and ones measure of success isnt only based on subscription numbers, though I prefer a smart and well implemented blend of pve and pvp.
Funny how you cut out the portion of my post dealing with WoW. Funny how you failed to address whether WoW's balancing of classes is primarily based on OPness in Arenas.
I HATED the flavor of the month method utilized by blizzard. They even admitted that class perception and popularity play into their balancing of considerations. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed WoW immensely, but the game has suffered as a whole from their inability to balance two aspects of the game.
PvE only product, that has been #2~5 on the list of subscribers for 8 years... The age is helding down the popularity, not the PvE-focus... as we've seen in threads on this forum, players don't mind having no PvP and a great portion even prefers it that way.
You prefer a well implemented blend of pvp and pve, I prefer a well implemented pve without pvp. Can I have a game to play too, for once?
The market begs to differ with your view. Give me another independent view of the mmorpg market, as is done here ranking the popularity of mmog subscriptions, that demonstrates that the more popular have no pvp elements. mmodata.net/
So, yes, you can have and do have mmo's that are pve only, but they aint too popular by subscription numbers. But as I've said, if you dont hold to the notion that subscription numbers is a measure of success, you have nothing to be discouraged about.
I really don't understand the mentality of players coming to MMOs they don't like and demanding the devs add/change things to suit them. Just play a different game!
No FFXIV won't have any world-PvP, at most it'll have a small mini-game style of PvP that has no impact on anything. FFXI did perfectly fine using the same model, it's still got over 500k subs which is plenty more than any MMO released over here since WoW.
PvE only product, that has been #2~5 on the list of subscribers for 8 years... The age is helding down the popularity, not the PvE-focus... as we've seen in threads on this forum, players don't mind having no PvP and a great portion even prefers it that way.
You prefer a well implemented blend of pvp and pve, I prefer a well implemented pve without pvp. Can I have a game to play too, for once?
The market begs to differ with your view. Give me another independent view of the mmorpg market, as is done here ranking the popularity of mmog subscriptions, that demonstrates that the more popular have no pvp elements. mmodata.net/
So, yes, you can have and do have mmo's that are pve only, but they aint too popular by subscription numbers. But as I've said, if you dont hold to the notion that subscription numbers is a measure of success, you have nothing to be discouraged about.
The point they're making is that a game with virtually no PvP, is still ranking among the top subscribed MMO's. If I'm reading the chart right, XI is number 6. Not bad for an ancient game with almost no PvP at all.
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just go play any of the other stuff coming out. Square Enix is all about PvE. You like PvP you have DF, MO, Tera Onlins SW:tor, just to name a few, so dont let the door hit you on the way out.
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just go play any of the other stuff coming out. Square Enix is all about PvE. You like PvP you have DF, MO, Tera Onlins SW:tor, just to name a few, so dont let the door hit you on the way out.
Tut tut !! That's the type of reply I expect from a troll or a child not an FF fan !!
To be honest and throw in my tuppeny worth, SE are not that stupid as to not put in some type of PvP at some stage. Maybe in the form of an open server or more likely I believe, along the lines of Arena's, Duels or perhaps alts like LoTRO.
From a purely business perspective (and according to recent interviews), they are aiming for #1 spot in the MMORPG market and as such are after WoW's crown. PvPers are a huge part of that market that they are after, it's simple economics. Money talks, bull**** walks !!
just go play any of the other stuff coming out. Square Enix is all about PvE. You like PvP you have DF, MO, Tera Onlins SW:tor, just to name a few, so dont let the door hit you on the way out.
Tut tut !! That's the type of reply I expect from a troll or a child not an FF fan !!
To be honest and throw in my tuppeny worth, SE are not that stupid as to not put in some type of PvP at some stage. Maybe in the form of an open server or more likely I believe, along the lines of Arena's, Duels or perhaps alts like LoTRO.
From a purely business perspective (and according to recent interviews), they are aiming for #1 spot in the MMORPG market and as such are after WoW's crown. PvPers are a huge part of that market that they are after, it's simple conomics. Money talks, bull**** walks !!
You are completely clueless if you think that a PvE only game will take #1. That alone cuts them half of their possible subscribers.
All I said was that I am cimpletetly turned off due to the fact that this game has no PvP. I asked a simple question: any talks of PvP being added in the future? You all still try to flame a perfectly fine question.