It is currently being worked on to bring over to the Western audience as well. And Originally posted by Arshoon
Oversized weapons. Heavily combat oriented. Everyone is beautiful. A 'cute' race. Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces). Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here. No thank you.
Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Hm, strange, since these two posts did describe....well, entire mmorpg market?
Its not Western, its not Asian, its MARKETING.
World of Nerdtards is like that, Aion is like that, any decent western mmorpg islike that.
Now even bioware rpgs are like that (looking atyou, Mass Effect2 and crying at how much you have been ruined)
Seriously, the ammount of bias in this thread is surprising.....even if its in this "community".
THe more I see people denominating eastern mmorpg developers(considering the only decent "Western" mmorpg is EVE...), the more I want to solo in mmorpgs, or just stay out of the whole elitist community.
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It is currently being worked on to bring over to the Western audience as well.
And
Originally posted by Arshoon
Oversized weapons.
Heavily combat oriented.
Everyone is beautiful.
A 'cute' race.
Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces).
Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here.
No thank you.
Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Hm, strange, since these two posts did describe....well, entire mmorpg market?
Its not Western, its not Asian, its MARKETING.
World of Nerdtards is like that, Aion is like that, any decent western mmorpg islike that.
Now even bioware rpgs are like that (looking atyou, Mass Effect2 and crying at how much you have been ruined)
Seriously, the ammount of bias in this thread is surprising.....even if its in this "community".
THe more I see people denominating eastern mmorpg developers(considering the only decent "Western" mmorpg is EVE...), the more I want to solo in mmorpgs, or just stay out of the whole elitist community.
Well, thats certainly one perspective... But its one I don't happen to agree with. Marketing is certainly an important element, but not nearly as important as understanding the market you choose to operate in. As for the last, that has to be your decision. Only you can decide if any of the current games are worth your time and money. Eve is a fun game, but it has its limitations.
Wellll.....it wouldn't be such a lagfest if the States didn't have such sucky internet. Korea has like 160 Mbps internet for around 20$ a month. Im a sucker for big weapons...what game actually uses realistically sized swords and daggers? Big weapons look more badass
The sad part is that these people doesn't like the idea of big weapons, and thus complain about them. But what about the races? The big lizard-type people or the half-giant stone guys? Or like, fireballs?
Oh yeah! It's a fantasy game afterall...so that's acceptable. However, a giant-sword? No way sir!
It is currently being worked on to bring over to the Western audience as well.
And
Originally posted by Arshoon
Oversized weapons.
Heavily combat oriented.
Everyone is beautiful.
A 'cute' race.
Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces).
Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here.
No thank you.
Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Hm, strange, since these two posts did describe....well, entire mmorpg market?
Its not Western, its not Asian, its MARKETING.
World of Nerdtards is like that, Aion is like that, any decent western mmorpg islike that.
Now even bioware rpgs are like that (looking atyou, Mass Effect2 and crying at how much you have been ruined)
Seriously, the ammount of bias in this thread is surprising.....even if its in this "community".
THe more I see people denominating eastern mmorpg developers(considering the only decent "Western" mmorpg is EVE...), the more I want to solo in mmorpgs, or just stay out of the whole elitist community.
Yea, it shouldn't be about east vs.west. Making generalized statements are nonsense. Look at the FF series, Aion, Lineage; all largely popular. Anyway, I'll take a look at anything, and look forward to looking at this too.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
I really don't understand what people are seeing in this. The combat looks especially terrible. At that pace, can you imagine how excruciating it will be trying to kill the millions of creatures it will undoubtedly make you kill? Supporting games like this hurts the future of MMORPGs.
Huh, not quite sure what your saying? Are you saying playing this game will make you want to kill in real life, which is beyond silly, or are you complaining that often you'll be fighting more then on enemy at a time???
The play style is very similar to that of action console games, where you fight multiple enemies at once. Like the God of War or Devil May Cry series'. It's meant to feel fast, fluid, and even chaotic. And all together It's meant to give you the feeling of being one bad mama-jama. The PvP it's self will feel more like playing a full on 3D fighting game. I don't get it, whats not to like? I suppose you prefer the old standing still and slowly whacking your enemie over and over again (chopping wood) method, and only fighting your enemy one at a time?
I couldn't have said it any better. Without being prejudice, though perhaps seemingly stereotypically, I just don't like the anime style of many Asian titles. Whenever I see an anime body/face style and an 800 pound sword being throw around like it's made of styrofoam I immediately lose interest. Grant it, in all of the MMO's I've played I've had to let go of this idea or that; however, never to the extent of a typical, run-of-the-mill, Asian MMO.
This isn't to say I don't like all Asian games or cultures or . . . well, anything. As far as MMO's go, I'm just sick of seeing it. That said, the graphics look great and perhaps I will check back on it just before it is released in the states for more details, but at this time I just can't seem to get past the ::: yawn ::: commonalities it has to so many other such titles.
There IS a reason that these titles exist, people love them and that is certainly fine with me and I hope TERA does well. I just have to get it off my chest that I'm so beat on the idea of another even SLIGHTLY anime-like MMO. Contrary to a few others who share my ideals, I still enjoy a lot of the animations and spell effects . . . though a lot of them would suit me better if they were toned down just a tad so that in a group of 3 or more the screen doesn't become a series of flashing lights preventing me from seeing anything else (like the enemy or the environment).
yet another game with females that all look like hookers wielding giant swords.... yay just what the world needs
This is a problem with gaming as a whole. I think the only realistic depiction of a female that should own in combat were the female taurens. Big man-hating motorcycle vixens named Helga.
I couldn't have said it any better. Without being prejudice, though perhaps seemingly stereotypically, I just don't like the anime style of many Asian titles. Whenever I see an anime body/face style and an 800 pound sword being throw around like it's made of styrofoam I immediately lose interest. Grant it, in all of the MMO's I've played I've had to let go of this idea or that; however, never to the extent of a typical, run-of-the-mill, Asian MMO.
This isn't to say I don't like all Asian games or cultures or . . . well, anything. As far as MMO's go, I'm just sick of seeing it. That said, the graphics look great and perhaps I will check back on it just before it is released in the states for more details, but at this time I just can't seem to get past the ::: yawn ::: commonalities it has to so many other such titles.
There IS a reason that these titles exist, people love them and that is certainly fine with me and I hope TERA does well. I just have to get it off my chest that I'm so beat on the idea of another even SLIGHTLY anime-like MMO. Contrary to a few others who share my ideals, I still enjoy a lot of the animations and spell effects . . . though a lot of them would suit me better if they were toned down just a tad so that in a group of 3 or more the screen doesn't become a series of flashing lights preventing me from seeing anything else (like the enemy or the environment).
You shouldn't have to worry about being labelled prejudice just because you have certain literary and ascetic tastes, even to hate certain styles. It's just certain groups being insecure and oversensitive or people just buying into the crap.
This is a problem with gaming as a whole. I think the only realistic depiction of a female that should own in combat were the female taurens. Big man-hating motorcycle vixens named Helga.
Yes, because unless a women is all muscle and the size of a large man, she could never hold her own.
I swear we are like gossiping high school kids here.
LOL- exactly! Seriously. It's a frigging game. Whether the game is "realistic" or is translatable to the real world quite frankly is irrelevant. Games like these are designed for entertainment value--hence the "exaggerated" over-the-top appearances of the toons which of course lends itself to the theme of "fantasy" *gasps*. LOL. Discourse over the psychological & sociological impacts aside, everybody just take a deep breath. If the game is to your liking, play it---if not, there are other games out there. :P
I really don't understand what people are seeing in this. The combat looks especially terrible. At that pace, can you imagine how excruciating it will be trying to kill the millions of creatures it will undoubtedly make you kill? Supporting games like this hurts the future of MMORPGs.
Huh, not quite sure what your saying? Are you saying playing this game will make you want to kill in real life, which is beyond silly, or are you complaining that often you'll be fighting more then on enemy at a time???
The play style is very similar to that of action console games, where you fight multiple enemies at once. Like the God of War or Devil May Cry series'. It's meant to feel fast, fluid, and even chaotic. And all together It's meant to give you the feeling of being one bad mama-jama. The PvP it's self will feel more like playing a full on 3D fighting game. I don't get it, whats not to like? I suppose you prefer the old standing still and slowly whacking your enemie over and over again (chopping wood) method, and only fighting your enemy one at a time?
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I was talking about people going on killing sprees. I was just saying that people are getting excited about this for no good reason, just because they'll be grinding in a slightly different way.
I have watched a ton of footage, and it is nowhere near as tight as a console action game. Also, you may notice that those games are single-player and have no latency. They can never achieve the tight controls of God Of War in an MMO architecture. It is nowhere near fast and fluid. It has the button smashing of a fighting game, except in a fighting game you don't grind for weeks to unlock an uppercut (or new sweatbands for that matter.) Not to mention, for it to even come close to a fighting game, your opponents have to be on equal footing. The mobs have slow telegraphed attacks, and other players are fighting the camera and controls as much as the other players.
Considering you know nothing about me, I don't think assumptions that I enjoy the auto-attack methods of old are correct (especially since I had no mention of fearing this new system, it just isn't good.) It's not anything to be proud of, but I've been playing games all my life, and I've been playing online games since they were pay-per-hour. They have been getting consistently worse over the past few years. I don't think getting kill x of these/gather x of these quests are fun, or that fields of creatures standing in one place waiting to die are very interesting.
Just go on YouTube and see for yourself; I'll let the footage do the talking from now on.
Glad Blue Hole Studio didn't change the gameplay mechanics from way back when they showcased that boss fight. This game looks like it will play like Hellgate with collision detection around objects/players. Action RPG hybrids are the way to go these days I say. It's good to see a company go away from that old school, point-n-click (or worse, click tab to auto target and lock-on... very boring) and to a more manual/user aiming to make gameplay more immersive.
This is a problem with gaming as a whole. I think the only realistic depiction of a female that should own in combat were the female taurens. Big man-hating motorcycle vixens named Helga.
Yes, because unless a women is all muscle and the size of a large man, she could never hold her own.
I hope, like me, you were just being sarcastic.
It was meant to be funny but obviously muscle is the primary factor and the bigger the better. There's always an exception but it's not realistic at all for there to be armies of petite, fake-boobed women on equal standing with men or "female taurens" in melee fighting, especially if all of them are the same level or similar training. I guess I have to tell you that when a person's weight is more in their boobs and hips instead of their arms and shoulders, chest and calves that it's not conducive to fighting especially when they weigh 50-200 lbs. less overall... but I'm sure you were just being sarcastic. Female mages work great--I mean you had joan of arc who's weapon was mainly spiritual power over minds, and pictish ho's who fought alongside of men and they were mainly archers. I know it seems like making a big deal over nothing but I just think the laura croft thing is overdone.
It was meant to be funny but obviously muscle is the primary factor and the bigger the better. There's always an exception but it's not realistic at all for there to be armies of petite, fake-boobed women on equal standing with men or "female taurens" in melee fighting, especially if all of them are the same level or similar training. I guess I have to tell you that when a person's weight is more in their boobs and hips instead of their arms and shoulders, chest and calves that it's not conducive to fighting especially when they weigh 50-200 lbs. less overall... but I'm sure you were just being sarcastic. Female mages work great--I mean you had joan of arc who's weapon was mainly spiritual power over minds, and pictish ho's who fought alongside of men and they were mainly archers. I know it seems like making a big deal over nothing but I just think the laura croft thing is overdone.
I will grant that some styles of fighting aren't as appropriate for particular builds weight and reach, but I disagree that it has anything to do with gender. I think women can fair just as well as a man. Though they definitely will have more muscle built up than barbie doll figures. Think of it as akin to weight classes in most fighting sports. I doubt you're going to see any women get the muscle to enter in the heavy weight division. realistically speaking.
I was already sold on the game but this put over the top for me www.zam.com/story.html He was playing game with a X-box 360 controller and it look natural.
Very nice. Thanks for the link. It's good to see some real game play, as limited as it was.
I may change my mind about Tera. This wasn't a MMO that I was taking seriously previously, but it's starting to look fairly interesting.
geeez ppl are so obsesed with real life , what the hell is wrong with u ppl , is a FANTASY game , it is supposed to be nothing like the reall world , were the hell have u seen your dog caring a friking sword hacking and slashing your nighbour chikens or loundry set up for drying , wth is the point with tight females carring big swords, i like them that way, i am sure nobody would wan't to play a female character that looks like helga talks like hitler and waves a 2 tone hamer/sword arround her. wth , u are playing a game to escape reality so stop point stupid things like that , if u wanna point something point at the running stile of those female character's who looks like they is running to get a gang ban.g .
Anyway suppositions are nothing until we play the game , and the fact that is a eastern game doesn't mean is bad game. eastern mmo gaming = aion, FFXI, L2 , a ton of f2p games , Guild wars , etc.
western mmo gaming = eve , wow , ao, AC, DAOC, LOTR AOC and no f2p ( oh maybe DDO)
from eastern almoust all have minim 500k subscribers , even the older games ( doesn't mater if they are asians or not money has no collor )
from western only eve , wow, DAOC, LOtR go over 500k subscribers that should mean somoething.
So stop bashing eastern games they are more profitable the western and surely more inovative then western ( let's not forget that wow has copied almoust half of it's ideas from other games )
I was already sold on the game but this put over the top for me www.zam.com/story.html He was playing game with a X-box 360 controller and it look natural.
Very nice. Thanks for the link. It's good to see some real game play, as limited as it was.
I may change my mind about Tera. This wasn't a MMO that I was taking seriously previously, but it's starting to look fairly interesting.
just tube the gameplay, and you will have ALOT of vid showing gameplay.
It is currently being worked on to bring over to the Western audience as well.
And
Originally posted by Arshoon
Oversized weapons.
Heavily combat oriented.
Everyone is beautiful.
A 'cute' race.
Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces).
Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here.
No thank you.
Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Or until the so-called 'Western audience' learns they're not the center of the gaming universe and the Eastern audience has as much right to a playstyle they enjoy as Western players do to theirs.
What many in the Western audience need to realize is that if they don't like a specific playstyle, they have every right to not play it. I find the conceit some possess that somehow if a MMO is available in the Western market that it must cater to the Western market to be shamelessly closed-minded. That would be like saying since they can play WoW in Asia, that WoW should cater more to that region's typical playstyle (ie. the so-called "Asian grindfest"). Of course that would be ridiculous to us. And, as such, the concept that the more "Asian styled" MMOs should cater more to us in the West is equally ridiculous.
There's also this conceit demonstrated by many who seem to think that if *they* don't like the way something is set up, then there *must* be something wrong with it. It's not as simple as them not liking it, even though others do. Oh no no no. They don't like it, therefor, and needs to be changed, and the devs are clueless... and on and on... /facepalm Some people need to get over themselves, seriously.
The choice is simple... Play the game if you think you'd enjoy it. Avoid it if you think you wouldn't.
Aion tried to melt Asian and Western style and still it's not my cup of tea. Nor it won't be for any MMO that keeps all things mentioned by Arshoon.
I agree WoW too has some of the above but they were able to tailor the style to suit eastern and western players. For example the weapons while oversized are not so huge. The elves don't run half bent either. Also I don't see panties nor very short skirts that let you see the female underwear in WoW.
While western players aren't the center of the gaming universe, I expect developers to tailor their games towards the end users when they publish them in the west.
Oversized weapons. Heavily combat oriented. Everyone is beautiful. A 'cute' race. Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces). Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here. No thank you.
You saved me from posting a list of reasons why this game will not work for me. This game will never "bridge" the eastern and western MMO market for all those reasons above.
Oversized weapons. Heavily combat oriented. Everyone is beautiful. A 'cute' race. Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces). Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here. No thank you.
You saved me from posting a list of reasons why this game will not work for me. This game will never "bridge" the eastern and western MMO market for all those reasons above.
TO me the only game play orientated point on that list is the heavily Combat Orientated point.The rest is just subjective comments about art style and eye candy.If the game is fun and the game mechanics engaging I can grow to love the art style
Also 90% of game sin general not just MMOS are "Heavily Combat orientated",hell most of our actual sports are derived from combat training exercises or combat simulation.Asian MMOs aren't any more combat heavy than Western ones and have just as many non combat activities and in some cases more varying from game to game.
I find the major difference between modern Western and Eastern MMOs is ,apart from the artistic graphical flourishes, that Eastern MMOs never grew from the mob camping grindfests that Western MMOs first pioneered and later moved away from.Western MMOs have evolved to disguise the grind and try to keep things engaging,
Also Western MMOs have tried to evolve to minimize the negative impact players can have on each other outside of consensual PvP.This is because this is what the majority of players seemed to of asked for.It is why Instancing was invented for boss Encounters/raids,why mob tagging was introduced instead of whoever does the most damage takes the loot..
On the other hand most Eastern MMOs are for the most part still using the exact same mechanics that were used in AC and Everquest and DAoC and older games.Where Eastern MMOs have tried to evolve is in in the combat itself whilst ignoring everything else and keeping it the same as it has been for a decade.
It is currently being worked on to bring over to the Western audience as well.
And
Originally posted by Arshoon
Oversized weapons.
Heavily combat oriented.
Everyone is beautiful.
A 'cute' race.
Not much really in customization except the usual fare (hair, skin color and faces).
Typical Oriental/Korean MMO design. Nothing new here.
No thank you.
Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Or until the so-called 'Western audience' learns they're not the center of the gaming universe and the Eastern audience has as much right to a playstyle they enjoy as Western players do to theirs.
What many in the Western audience need to realize is that if they don't like a specific playstyle, they have every right to not play it. I find the conceit some possess that somehow if a MMO is available in the Western market that it must cater to the Western market to be shamelessly closed-minded. That would be like saying since they can play WoW in Asia, that WoW should cater more to that region's typical playstyle (ie. the so-called "Asian grindfest"). Of course that would be ridiculous to us. And, as such, the concept that the more "Asian styled" MMOs should cater more to us in the West is equally ridiculous.
There's also this conceit demonstrated by many who seem to think that if *they* don't like the way something is set up, then there *must* be something wrong with it. It's not as simple as them not liking it, even though others do. Oh no no no. They don't like it, therefor, and needs to be changed, and the devs are clueless... and on and on... /facepalm Some people need to get over themselves, seriously.
The choice is simple... Play the game if you think you'd enjoy it. Avoid it if you think you wouldn't.
Aion tried to melt Asian and Western style and still it's not my cup of tea. Nor it won't be for any MMO that keeps all things mentioned by Arshoon.
I agree WoW too has some of the above but they were able to tailor the style to suit eastern and western players. For example the weapons while oversized are not so huge. The elves don't run half bent either. Also I don't see panties nor very short skirts that let you see the female underwear in WoW.
While western players aren't the center of the gaming universe, I expect developers to tailor their games towards the end users when they publish them in the west.
Part of that is Blizzard is a western gaming company, and thus has to keep its games "family friendly" so as not to provide targets of opportunity to various "concerned citizen" groups and the political bottom feeders that pander to them.
Its too bad that NCsoft didn't learn much about the western markets from their linage2 experience. I would have enjoyed playing Aion, if it had PvE servers.
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Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Hm, strange, since these two posts did describe....well, entire mmorpg market?
Its not Western, its not Asian, its MARKETING.
World of Nerdtards is like that, Aion is like that, any decent western mmorpg islike that.
Now even bioware rpgs are like that (looking atyou, Mass Effect2 and crying at how much you have been ruined)
Seriously, the ammount of bias in this thread is surprising.....even if its in this "community".
THe more I see people denominating eastern mmorpg developers(considering the only decent "Western" mmorpg is EVE...), the more I want to solo in mmorpgs, or just stay out of the whole elitist community.
# A GRIM, ODD, ARCANE SKY
# ANY GOD, I MARK SACRED
# A MASKED CRY ADORING
# A DREAMY, SICK DRAGON
Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Hm, strange, since these two posts did describe....well, entire mmorpg market?
Its not Western, its not Asian, its MARKETING.
World of Nerdtards is like that, Aion is like that, any decent western mmorpg islike that.
Now even bioware rpgs are like that (looking atyou, Mass Effect2 and crying at how much you have been ruined)
Seriously, the ammount of bias in this thread is surprising.....even if its in this "community".
THe more I see people denominating eastern mmorpg developers(considering the only decent "Western" mmorpg is EVE...), the more I want to solo in mmorpgs, or just stay out of the whole elitist community.
Well, thats certainly one perspective... But its one I don't happen to agree with. Marketing is certainly an important element, but not nearly as important as understanding the market you choose to operate in. As for the last, that has to be your decision. Only you can decide if any of the current games are worth your time and money. Eve is a fun game, but it has its limitations.
The sad part is that these people doesn't like the idea of big weapons, and thus complain about them. But what about the races? The big lizard-type people or the half-giant stone guys? Or like, fireballs?
Oh yeah! It's a fantasy game afterall...so that's acceptable. However, a giant-sword? No way sir!
Their logic is amusing.
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Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Hm, strange, since these two posts did describe....well, entire mmorpg market?
Its not Western, its not Asian, its MARKETING.
World of Nerdtards is like that, Aion is like that, any decent western mmorpg islike that.
Now even bioware rpgs are like that (looking atyou, Mass Effect2 and crying at how much you have been ruined)
Seriously, the ammount of bias in this thread is surprising.....even if its in this "community".
THe more I see people denominating eastern mmorpg developers(considering the only decent "Western" mmorpg is EVE...), the more I want to solo in mmorpgs, or just stay out of the whole elitist community.
Yea, it shouldn't be about east vs.west. Making generalized statements are nonsense. Look at the FF series, Aion, Lineage; all largely popular. Anyway, I'll take a look at anything, and look forward to looking at this too.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
yet another game with females that all look like hookers wielding giant swords.... yay just what the world needs
Huh, not quite sure what your saying? Are you saying playing this game will make you want to kill in real life, which is beyond silly, or are you complaining that often you'll be fighting more then on enemy at a time???
The play style is very similar to that of action console games, where you fight multiple enemies at once. Like the God of War or Devil May Cry series'. It's meant to feel fast, fluid, and even chaotic. And all together It's meant to give you the feeling of being one bad mama-jama. The PvP it's self will feel more like playing a full on 3D fighting game. I don't get it, whats not to like? I suppose you prefer the old standing still and slowly whacking your enemie over and over again (chopping wood) method, and only fighting your enemy one at a time?
I couldn't have said it any better. Without being prejudice, though perhaps seemingly stereotypically, I just don't like the anime style of many Asian titles. Whenever I see an anime body/face style and an 800 pound sword being throw around like it's made of styrofoam I immediately lose interest. Grant it, in all of the MMO's I've played I've had to let go of this idea or that; however, never to the extent of a typical, run-of-the-mill, Asian MMO.
This isn't to say I don't like all Asian games or cultures or . . . well, anything. As far as MMO's go, I'm just sick of seeing it. That said, the graphics look great and perhaps I will check back on it just before it is released in the states for more details, but at this time I just can't seem to get past the ::: yawn ::: commonalities it has to so many other such titles.
There IS a reason that these titles exist, people love them and that is certainly fine with me and I hope TERA does well. I just have to get it off my chest that I'm so beat on the idea of another even SLIGHTLY anime-like MMO. Contrary to a few others who share my ideals, I still enjoy a lot of the animations and spell effects . . . though a lot of them would suit me better if they were toned down just a tad so that in a group of 3 or more the screen doesn't become a series of flashing lights preventing me from seeing anything else (like the enemy or the environment).
This is a problem with gaming as a whole. I think the only realistic depiction of a female that should own in combat were the female taurens. Big man-hating motorcycle vixens named Helga.
I swear we are like gossiping high school kids here.
I couldn't have said it any better. Without being prejudice, though perhaps seemingly stereotypically, I just don't like the anime style of many Asian titles. Whenever I see an anime body/face style and an 800 pound sword being throw around like it's made of styrofoam I immediately lose interest. Grant it, in all of the MMO's I've played I've had to let go of this idea or that; however, never to the extent of a typical, run-of-the-mill, Asian MMO.
This isn't to say I don't like all Asian games or cultures or . . . well, anything. As far as MMO's go, I'm just sick of seeing it. That said, the graphics look great and perhaps I will check back on it just before it is released in the states for more details, but at this time I just can't seem to get past the ::: yawn ::: commonalities it has to so many other such titles.
There IS a reason that these titles exist, people love them and that is certainly fine with me and I hope TERA does well. I just have to get it off my chest that I'm so beat on the idea of another even SLIGHTLY anime-like MMO. Contrary to a few others who share my ideals, I still enjoy a lot of the animations and spell effects . . . though a lot of them would suit me better if they were toned down just a tad so that in a group of 3 or more the screen doesn't become a series of flashing lights preventing me from seeing anything else (like the enemy or the environment).
You shouldn't have to worry about being labelled prejudice just because you have certain literary and ascetic tastes, even to hate certain styles. It's just certain groups being insecure and oversensitive or people just buying into the crap.
Eye candy is always nice ^^ Lets see how it plays.
Yes, because unless a women is all muscle and the size of a large man, she could never hold her own.
I hope, like me, you were just being sarcastic.
LOL- exactly! Seriously. It's a frigging game. Whether the game is "realistic" or is translatable to the real world quite frankly is irrelevant. Games like these are designed for entertainment value--hence the "exaggerated" over-the-top appearances of the toons which of course lends itself to the theme of "fantasy" *gasps*. LOL. Discourse over the psychological & sociological impacts aside, everybody just take a deep breath.
If the game is to your liking, play it---if not, there are other games out there. :P
Huh, not quite sure what your saying? Are you saying playing this game will make you want to kill in real life, which is beyond silly, or are you complaining that often you'll be fighting more then on enemy at a time???
The play style is very similar to that of action console games, where you fight multiple enemies at once. Like the God of War or Devil May Cry series'. It's meant to feel fast, fluid, and even chaotic. And all together It's meant to give you the feeling of being one bad mama-jama. The PvP it's self will feel more like playing a full on 3D fighting game. I don't get it, whats not to like? I suppose you prefer the old standing still and slowly whacking your enemie over and over again (chopping wood) method, and only fighting your enemy one at a time?
I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that I was talking about people going on killing sprees. I was just saying that people are getting excited about this for no good reason, just because they'll be grinding in a slightly different way.
I have watched a ton of footage, and it is nowhere near as tight as a console action game. Also, you may notice that those games are single-player and have no latency. They can never achieve the tight controls of God Of War in an MMO architecture. It is nowhere near fast and fluid. It has the button smashing of a fighting game, except in a fighting game you don't grind for weeks to unlock an uppercut (or new sweatbands for that matter.) Not to mention, for it to even come close to a fighting game, your opponents have to be on equal footing. The mobs have slow telegraphed attacks, and other players are fighting the camera and controls as much as the other players.
Considering you know nothing about me, I don't think assumptions that I enjoy the auto-attack methods of old are correct (especially since I had no mention of fearing this new system, it just isn't good.) It's not anything to be proud of, but I've been playing games all my life, and I've been playing online games since they were pay-per-hour. They have been getting consistently worse over the past few years. I don't think getting kill x of these/gather x of these quests are fun, or that fields of creatures standing in one place waiting to die are very interesting.
Just go on YouTube and see for yourself; I'll let the footage do the talking from now on.
Glad Blue Hole Studio didn't change the gameplay mechanics from way back when they showcased that boss fight. This game looks like it will play like Hellgate with collision detection around objects/players. Action RPG hybrids are the way to go these days I say. It's good to see a company go away from that old school, point-n-click (or worse, click tab to auto target and lock-on... very boring) and to a more manual/user aiming to make gameplay more immersive.
Yes, because unless a women is all muscle and the size of a large man, she could never hold her own.
I hope, like me, you were just being sarcastic.
It was meant to be funny but obviously muscle is the primary factor and the bigger the better. There's always an exception but it's not realistic at all for there to be armies of petite, fake-boobed women on equal standing with men or "female taurens" in melee fighting, especially if all of them are the same level or similar training. I guess I have to tell you that when a person's weight is more in their boobs and hips instead of their arms and shoulders, chest and calves that it's not conducive to fighting especially when they weigh 50-200 lbs. less overall... but I'm sure you were just being sarcastic. Female mages work great--I mean you had joan of arc who's weapon was mainly spiritual power over minds, and pictish ho's who fought alongside of men and they were mainly archers. I know it seems like making a big deal over nothing but I just think the laura croft thing is overdone.
I will grant that some styles of fighting aren't as appropriate for particular builds weight and reach, but I disagree that it has anything to do with gender. I think women can fair just as well as a man. Though they definitely will have more muscle built up than barbie doll figures. Think of it as akin to weight classes in most fighting sports. I doubt you're going to see any women get the muscle to enter in the heavy weight division. realistically speaking.
Very nice. Thanks for the link. It's good to see some real game play, as limited as it was.
I may change my mind about Tera. This wasn't a MMO that I was taking seriously previously, but it's starting to look fairly interesting.
geeez ppl are so obsesed with real life , what the hell is wrong with u ppl , is a FANTASY game , it is supposed to be nothing like the reall world , were the hell have u seen your dog caring a friking sword hacking and slashing your nighbour chikens or loundry set up for drying , wth is the point with tight females carring big swords, i like them that way, i am sure nobody would wan't to play a female character that looks like helga talks like hitler and waves a 2 tone hamer/sword arround her. wth , u are playing a game to escape reality so stop point stupid things like that , if u wanna point something point at the running stile of those female character's who looks like they is running to get a gang ban.g .
Anyway suppositions are nothing until we play the game , and the fact that is a eastern game doesn't mean is bad game. eastern mmo gaming = aion, FFXI, L2 , a ton of f2p games , Guild wars , etc.
western mmo gaming = eve , wow , ao, AC, DAOC, LOTR AOC and no f2p ( oh maybe DDO)
from eastern almoust all have minim 500k subscribers , even the older games ( doesn't mater if they are asians or not money has no collor )
from western only eve , wow, DAOC, LOtR go over 500k subscribers that should mean somoething.
So stop bashing eastern games they are more profitable the western and surely more inovative then western ( let's not forget that wow has copied almoust half of it's ideas from other games )
Very nice. Thanks for the link. It's good to see some real game play, as limited as it was.
I may change my mind about Tera. This wasn't a MMO that I was taking seriously previously, but it's starting to look fairly interesting.
just tube the gameplay, and you will have ALOT of vid showing gameplay.
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Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Or until the so-called 'Western audience' learns they're not the center of the gaming universe and the Eastern audience has as much right to a playstyle they enjoy as Western players do to theirs.
What many in the Western audience need to realize is that if they don't like a specific playstyle, they have every right to not play it. I find the conceit some possess that somehow if a MMO is available in the Western market that it must cater to the Western market to be shamelessly closed-minded. That would be like saying since they can play WoW in Asia, that WoW should cater more to that region's typical playstyle (ie. the so-called "Asian grindfest"). Of course that would be ridiculous to us. And, as such, the concept that the more "Asian styled" MMOs should cater more to us in the West is equally ridiculous.
There's also this conceit demonstrated by many who seem to think that if *they* don't like the way something is set up, then there *must* be something wrong with it. It's not as simple as them not liking it, even though others do. Oh no no no. They don't like it, therefor, and needs to be changed, and the devs are clueless... and on and on... /facepalm Some people need to get over themselves, seriously.
The choice is simple... Play the game if you think you'd enjoy it. Avoid it if you think you wouldn't.
Aion tried to melt Asian and Western style and still it's not my cup of tea. Nor it won't be for any MMO that keeps all things mentioned by Arshoon.
I agree WoW too has some of the above but they were able to tailor the style to suit eastern and western players. For example the weapons while oversized are not so huge. The elves don't run half bent either. Also I don't see panties nor very short skirts that let you see the female underwear in WoW.
While western players aren't the center of the gaming universe, I expect developers to tailor their games towards the end users when they publish them in the west.
You saved me from posting a list of reasons why this game will not work for me. This game will never "bridge" the eastern and western MMO market for all those reasons above.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
You saved me from posting a list of reasons why this game will not work for me. This game will never "bridge" the eastern and western MMO market for all those reasons above.
TO me the only game play orientated point on that list is the heavily Combat Orientated point.The rest is just subjective comments about art style and eye candy.If the game is fun and the game mechanics engaging I can grow to love the art style
Also 90% of game sin general not just MMOS are "Heavily Combat orientated",hell most of our actual sports are derived from combat training exercises or combat simulation.Asian MMOs aren't any more combat heavy than Western ones and have just as many non combat activities and in some cases more varying from game to game.
I find the major difference between modern Western and Eastern MMOs is ,apart from the artistic graphical flourishes, that Eastern MMOs never grew from the mob camping grindfests that Western MMOs first pioneered and later moved away from.Western MMOs have evolved to disguise the grind and try to keep things engaging,
Also Western MMOs have tried to evolve to minimize the negative impact players can have on each other outside of consensual PvP.This is because this is what the majority of players seemed to of asked for.It is why Instancing was invented for boss Encounters/raids,why mob tagging was introduced instead of whoever does the most damage takes the loot..
On the other hand most Eastern MMOs are for the most part still using the exact same mechanics that were used in AC and Everquest and DAoC and older games.Where Eastern MMOs have tried to evolve is in in the combat itself whilst ignoring everything else and keeping it the same as it has been for a decade.
Just My Opinion of course.
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Until eastern MMO studio understand the above post they'll never get it right with the Western audience.
It took me 1 click on one of the article's pics to immediately know I will never play that game.
Or until the so-called 'Western audience' learns they're not the center of the gaming universe and the Eastern audience has as much right to a playstyle they enjoy as Western players do to theirs.
What many in the Western audience need to realize is that if they don't like a specific playstyle, they have every right to not play it. I find the conceit some possess that somehow if a MMO is available in the Western market that it must cater to the Western market to be shamelessly closed-minded. That would be like saying since they can play WoW in Asia, that WoW should cater more to that region's typical playstyle (ie. the so-called "Asian grindfest"). Of course that would be ridiculous to us. And, as such, the concept that the more "Asian styled" MMOs should cater more to us in the West is equally ridiculous.
There's also this conceit demonstrated by many who seem to think that if *they* don't like the way something is set up, then there *must* be something wrong with it. It's not as simple as them not liking it, even though others do. Oh no no no. They don't like it, therefor, and needs to be changed, and the devs are clueless... and on and on... /facepalm Some people need to get over themselves, seriously.
The choice is simple... Play the game if you think you'd enjoy it. Avoid it if you think you wouldn't.
Aion tried to melt Asian and Western style and still it's not my cup of tea. Nor it won't be for any MMO that keeps all things mentioned by Arshoon.
I agree WoW too has some of the above but they were able to tailor the style to suit eastern and western players. For example the weapons while oversized are not so huge. The elves don't run half bent either. Also I don't see panties nor very short skirts that let you see the female underwear in WoW.
While western players aren't the center of the gaming universe, I expect developers to tailor their games towards the end users when they publish them in the west.
Part of that is Blizzard is a western gaming company, and thus has to keep its games "family friendly" so as not to provide targets of opportunity to various "concerned citizen" groups and the political bottom feeders that pander to them.
Its too bad that NCsoft didn't learn much about the western markets from their linage2 experience. I would have enjoyed playing Aion, if it had PvE servers.