Good to hear you're getting your feet wet in the game. This game is of massive depth - much more than any other MMO out there.
You have done the starter missions, but if you need help, the bio for the character Bunyip will be of vast importance to you. This is my character, and I served on the CSM during term 2. Feel free to convo me at any time if you need further help.
Best of luck, and fly safe.
"The civilized man is rude, as he knows there are laws that protect him from recompense; The savage is not, for his actions can meet a bloody end." - Robert E. Howard
Oh come ON everyone! Do you really think that this guy is a real new player?.. look at the deep phylsophical way its written, look at how many times he says "its important to note..." as if preaching to its readers. Its more like a guide for new players, which I have no objection to if it wasnt so obvious.
As for joining corps, I disagree with the majority of replys suggesting that this fictional character should be looking to join a corp, I say spend more time with your starting NPC corp and chat to other new players first, you really do need to know how to avoid "scam" corps.. and find like minded people on which you can build a trusting relationship.
I also find myself cringing at the implications of 'Surviving', too many times does the article go on and on about "If I want to survive I must..x y z..".. what exactly is this character you afraid of? Pod pilots are immortal! This you learn from the starting video.
The first few weeks in Eve are nothing to do with 'survival' its about learning, experience and trying to find experienced sympathetic pilots who can give you a leg up.
Oh come ON everyone! Do you really think that this guy is a real new player?.. look at the deep phylsophical way its written, look at how many times he says "its important to note..." as if preaching to its readers. Its more like a guide for new players, which I have no objection to if it wasnt so obvious.
As for joining corps, I disagree with the majority of replys suggesting that this fictional character should be looking to join a corp, I say spend more time with your starting NPC corp and chat to other new players first, you really do need to know how to avoid "scam" corps.. and find like minded people on which you can build a trusting relationship.
I also find myself cringing at the implications of 'Surviving', too many times does the article go on and on about "If I want to survive I must..x y z..".. what exactly is this character you afraid of? Pod pilots are immortal! This you learn from the starting video.
The first few weeks in Eve are nothing to do with 'survival' its about learning, experience and trying to find experienced sympathetic pilots who can give you a leg up.
Ehh its pre-planning for certain situations. like having enough isk to survive in low/null sec, having the skills to do stuff in that area of space.
I just hope he realizes the pre-planning never ends lol.
Although you can play Eve solo, you are missing the best part of the game, the interaction with other players. And in missing this point you are doing a disservice to your readers. Get into a corp, something like Eve university would be good, tell your readers about the possibilities that a corp like that can provide to a newcomer. You will be in battles from the let go, you will mission and mine in company with some people scouting, others protecting, others ferrying cargo, other slavaging, scanning, ... you will learn about team flying, about fleets and fittings and safes and WH space, you will lose ships but also will learn about your mates and the corp helping you to recover from your loses ...you, and your readers, will learn about eve much faster.
The corps are the soul of Eve, I know, I have played solo for a long time.
Disclaimer, I am not affiliated in any way to eve university corp.
I think they are simply playing EvE online as a Newbie and aren't asking for any help into Corps. I note in the article he writes:
"It is important to state that the second week of Eve Online will not be the most exciting but it will be necessary if you wish to proceed in a more stable and foundation building manner. "
Well, this has always been my issue with the game that it is a bit on the dull side, and to get anywhere in the game takes time (years even here), multiple accounts (so you can cover all the options), and a good Corp (not easy to get into these until established player, see bracket note on time). I think just mining and doing Tutorial missions probably is what many newbies probably initially do, then they try the PvP and lose or start wondering about the strange game mechanics for flying their ship. CCP didn't make a plot-heavy story-filled game, so week three or 4 may be critical ones for a newbie, we will see :-)
Ehh its pre-planning for certain situations. like having enough isk to survive in low/null sec, having the skills to do stuff in that area of space.
I just hope he realizes the pre-planning never ends lol.
you dont _need_ ISK to "Survive"..
Sorry, but what is there to survive?.. you need ISK to buy things.. its has nothing to do with survival, if indeed that was anything to 'survive', no matter how much ISK you have in your wallet its not going to make any difference in a pvp situation.
You need knowledge and support to survive, nothing else. So rather that pissing about trying to gain ISK concentrate on learning and socialising.... the ISK will come as a reward of those two activities.
Ehh its pre-planning for certain situations. like having enough isk to survive in low/null sec, having the skills to do stuff in that area of space.
I just hope he realizes the pre-planning never ends lol.
you dont _need_ ISK to "Survive"..
Sorry, but what is there to survive?.. you need ISK to buy things.. its has nothing to do with survival, if indeed that was anything to 'survive', no matter how much ISK you have in your wallet its not going to make any difference in a pvp situation.
You need knowledge and support to survive, nothing else. So rather that pissing about trying to gain ISK concentrate on learning and socialising.... the ISK will come as a reward of those two activities.
How do you support your character if you have no isk? in my experience a player that can support his own character is much more of a value than some douche that asks for handouts. Sure in 0.0 most good corps have ship replacement but damn might as well be a fucking welfare case in the game.
Oh and building social ties and learning game mechanics in Eve is pre-planning also. all ties into being able to survive the game.
Ehh its pre-planning for certain situations. like having enough isk to survive in low/null sec, having the skills to do stuff in that area of space.
I just hope he realizes the pre-planning never ends lol.
you dont _need_ ISK to "Survive"..
Sorry, but what is there to survive?.. you need ISK to buy things.. its has nothing to do with survival, if indeed that was anything to 'survive', no matter how much ISK you have in your wallet its not going to make any difference in a pvp situation.
You need knowledge and support to survive, nothing else. So rather that pissing about trying to gain ISK concentrate on learning and socialising.... the ISK will come as a reward of those two activities.
How do you support your character if you have no isk? in my experience a player that can support his own character is much more of a value than some douche that asks for handouts. Sure in 0.0 most good corps have ship replacement but damn might as well be a fucking welfare case in the game.
Oh and building social ties and learning game mechanics in Eve is pre-planning also. all ties into being able to survive the game.
Building a solid foundation is what eve is.
I never said anything about having NO isk, simply that survival is in no way dependant on it.
Look, if I gave a player who has never played Eve before 100Bn Isk and a character with 100m SP, without knowledge to use it and with out support from players you will not survive. A Titan on its own cannot survive without a fleet, hell it cant even move to another system without help.
I'm suprised at you Rockgod, you of all people should know this.
This 'new player guide' for lack of a better description seems to be going out of its way to mislead people. First by suggesting that mining is _nessesary_ to gain ISK (when the opposite is true) and that ISK is _nessesary_ to survive, when its true that without knowledge and support its completly useless.
As others have pointed out, if you learn to salvage and scan then you might never need to do a single mission, mine a single rock, never be without ISK (when you need it)..and YES never pay for a subscription again. But you would only know this information if someone taught you. Thats why Universities employ lecturers.. they dont just say, go figure it out for yourself like this article seems to imply.
So no, ISK... much like the cake, is most definatly a lie.
Ehh its pre-planning for certain situations. like having enough isk to survive in low/null sec, having the skills to do stuff in that area of space.
I just hope he realizes the pre-planning never ends lol.
you dont _need_ ISK to "Survive"..
Sorry, but what is there to survive?.. you need ISK to buy things.. its has nothing to do with survival, if indeed that was anything to 'survive', no matter how much ISK you have in your wallet its not going to make any difference in a pvp situation.
You need knowledge and support to survive, nothing else. So rather that pissing about trying to gain ISK concentrate on learning and socialising.... the ISK will come as a reward of those two activities.
How do you support your character if you have no isk? in my experience a player that can support his own character is much more of a value than some douche that asks for handouts. Sure in 0.0 most good corps have ship replacement but damn might as well be a fucking welfare case in the game.
Oh and building social ties and learning game mechanics in Eve is pre-planning also. all ties into being able to survive the game.
Building a solid foundation is what eve is.
I never said anything about having NO isk, simply that survival is in no way dependant on it.
Look, if I gave a player who has never played Eve before 100Bn Isk and a character with 100m SP, without knowledge to use it and with out support from players you will not survive. A Titan on its own cannot survive without a fleet, hell it cant even move to another system without help.
I'm suprised at you Rockgod, you of all people should know this.
This 'new player guide' for lack of a better description seems to be going out of its way to mislead people. First by suggesting that mining is _nessesary_ to gain ISK (when the opposite is true) and that ISK is _nessesary_ to survive, when its true that without knowledge and support its completly useless.
As others have pointed out, if you learn to salvage and scan then you might never need to do a single mission, mine a single rock, never be without ISK (when you need it)..and YES never pay for a subscription again. But you would only know this information if someone taught you. Thats why Universities employ lecturers.. they dont just say, go figure it out for yourself like this article seems to imply.
So no, ISK... much like the cake, is most definatly a lie.
IM not saying isk = survival. Im saying pre-planning = survival and imo having the knowledge of setting up a character to be self sufficient a part of it.
Obviously there's more to it that that. this is proven by the fat cats in Eve that are terrible at the game lol.
The greatest cut to the chase, no kowtow or bow look at the first 2 weeks (years) of Eve gameplay. It's been posted before somewhere but here it is again for your viewing enjoyment.
this guys veiw of eve is the standard view of all noobs just starting out in the game, 14 days is simply not long enough to expeirence the game or explore the possibilities. its not liek wow. this is a sandbox game. sandbox as in lots of people in the sand pit with their bucket and spades. you can either form a gang and build a massive sand castle or try to build your own. the diffrence is your own will never be as grand as the one made by the gang. eve is a social game which dictates team play to get enjoyment from it. for instance you cannot experience the real eve by your self. sure you can fly round and watch other people experiencing it by all means, but unless you join those people all you will ever do is watch others having the fun.
eve is about corporation alliances and 0.0 space and its about polotics intelligence diplomacy espionage and wageing war. simply put you cannot manufacture toasters or slay goblins. everything you make and use in eve is essentialy used to kill other players. and in that clip his theory is sound for 1v1 pvp. but as soon as its like 5v5 his theory means absolute dick. 20v 20 completely mealts your mind and when your doing 100v 100 pvp battles you will start to see where eve shines above all other games. it has everything. empire building conquest pvp economics industry espionage. if you can imagine it you can do it.
this is the only mmo that offers this level of game play depth and envolvment and is for the long term player, not the 4 month wow vetterans. wow players rage quit or whine about being a victim on the eve forums all the time. such children shouldnt be aloud near a game like eve.
How many posters told him last week to join a corp? What does he do the 2nd week, ignore good advice.
Get in a decent corp. Trying to learn this game on your own is really dumb. Besides most of the fun involves doing things with your corp mates.
Join a corp, join a corp, join a corp. Bull. I've got 8bn in Isk and an equivalent amount of assets. Never been in a corp nor have any intention of joining one. Maybe the guy is an individual who sees this as a test of his ingenuity, intelligence, perserverence, guile, and patience, and doesn't want his hand held like some kid at his first day of school. If he enjoys being a lone wolf then good on him. If he wants he can eventually join a corp on his terms, not some sniveling newb who can't find his way.
On another note, surprised no one has mentioned asteroid belt ratting. Just shooting pirates in belts for quick Isk, combat experience, and possible good loot. Doesn't have the pressure of missions and beats newb mining.
How many posters told him last week to join a corp? What does he do the 2nd week, ignore good advice.
Get in a decent corp. Trying to learn this game on your own is really dumb. Besides most of the fun involves doing things with your corp mates.
Join a corp, join a corp, join a corp. Bull. I've got 8bn in Isk and an equivalent amount of assets. Never been in a corp nor have any intention of joining one. Maybe the guy is an individual who sees this as a test of his ingenuity, intelligence, perserverence, guile, and patience, and doesn't want his hand held like some kid at his first day of school. If he enjoys being a lone wolf then good on him. If he wants he can eventually join a corp on his terms, not some sniveling newb who can't find his way.
On another note, surprised no one has mentioned asteroid belt ratting. Just shooting pirates in belts for quick Isk, combat experience, and possible good loot. Doesn't have the pressure of missions and beats newb mining.
well good for you, you will eventually get bored of eve and being alone and not being able to experience the real eve and the real game it is. its impossible to experience eve fully by your self. and asteroid belt ratting in noob space is pointless and unrewarding. pays well in 0.0 though and i have mentioned it
playing alone wolf in eve is all well and good, but your removing your self from the real game that eve is. you simply are not experiencing the true eve while flying solo. you will get bored.
and 8 billion isk is pocket change. most lone wolf players have billions of isk. your going to if you dont run the risk of looseing it in the real game of eve. most ive had in eve is about 30 billion isk in assets and isk. im talking carriers dreads pos towers other structures a single player cannot aquire these things. it takes a team of players working hard together.
if any one wants to experience the true eve and what eve is really about then the only way to do that is a player run corp in an alliance. or create your own alliance and corp and try to accomplish and create your own little empire. eve is about empires not playing solo.
You're just like every religion that propounds having the real "truth". Yours is the only way.
What makes you think you know what is best for all players? Rather than promote your viewpoint as one of many options Eve players can consider, you arrogantly assert that it is the only option.
I don't play Eve to recreate RL corporate experiences, I've had my fill of that. Gorging on lust for empire building does not fit my psyche. Nor does all the superfluous human interaction that comes with it.
You say I'll become bored. I became bored with personalities like yours years ago, as you're a dime a dozen. Give me a hike on a forest trail not knowing what's around the next bend, you can go to your motivational seminars. To each his own.
How many posters told him last week to join a corp? What does he do the 2nd week, ignore good advice.
Get in a decent corp. Trying to learn this game on your own is really dumb. Besides most of the fun involves doing things with your corp mates.
Join a corp, join a corp, join a corp. Bull. I've got 8bn in Isk and an equivalent amount of assets. Never been in a corp nor have any intention of joining one. Maybe the guy is an individual who sees this as a test of his ingenuity, intelligence, perserverence, guile, and patience, and doesn't want his hand held like some kid at his first day of school. If he enjoys being a lone wolf then good on him. If he wants he can eventually join a corp on his terms, not some sniveling newb who can't find his way.
On another note, surprised no one has mentioned asteroid belt ratting. Just shooting pirates in belts for quick Isk, combat experience, and possible good loot. Doesn't have the pressure of missions and beats newb mining.
well good for you, you will eventually get bored of eve and being alone and not being able to experience the real eve and the real game it is. its impossible to experience eve fully by your self. and asteroid belt ratting in noob space is pointless and unrewarding. pays well in 0.0 though and i have mentioned it
playing alone wolf in eve is all well and good, but your removing your self from the real game that eve is. you simply are not experiencing the true eve while flying solo. you will get bored.
and 8 billion isk is pocket change. most lone wolf players have billions of isk. your going to if you dont run the risk of looseing it in the real game of eve. most ive had in eve is about 30 billion isk in assets and isk. im talking carriers dreads pos towers other structures a single player cannot aquire these things. it takes a team of players working hard together.
if any one wants to experience the true eve and what eve is really about then the only way to do that is a player run corp in an alliance. or create your own alliance and corp and try to accomplish and create your own little empire. eve is about empires not playing solo.
My 2 accounts beg to differ. While I've not continiously subbed the past 6 and a quarter years, I have subbed most of that time. And I've never joined a corp on either account, I'm still in my initial newbie corps for both.
I am a new player in EVE (2 days). That is to say, I opened a trial account a long time ago (2007 I think) and played for exactly 1 and a half hours (nothing to do with the game as such, just outside time pressures), now I've actually subbed this trial account. I am the type of player who likes to be prepared, I dont need to know every last detail but I like to know the basics, I am analytical, I don't think I'm impatient and thought EVE could be a good match.
So my experiences so far, reading, reading, reading, the advice from everyone seems to be read about the game first. So I've read about 10-15 new player guides, I've read all 77 pages of Battle Clinic's guide, I'm aware there are milions more guides to read.
The thing is, when I'm actually in game and start to do something I realise I have no idea what's going on, I was playing for a day and a half before I even undocked. The skills for instance, my skills sheet says something about having over a million skill points? then I go to train Learning which seems to be a must, and this skill (as far as I can work out) is already learnt up to 5 blocks, the same with a few others. When I look at the Learning skill I don't see any sub options for memory, focus etc that I read about? I was under the impression that you lined skills up and they just progressed over a period of time, whats the use of sp's if they don't reduce learning time? or do they?
When I finally did leave the station I got error messages about being in the wrong part of space and had to choose a new area, not knowing if any of the choices I made would matter.
I never considered myself a fool, but I'm begining to think otherwise.
----- The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
When I look at the Learning skill I don't see any sub options for memory, focus etc that I read about? I was under the impression that you lined skills up and they just progressed over a period of time, whats the use of sp's if they don't reduce learning time? or do they?
Just to comment on the quoted; If I understand correctly, you are looking for the individual attribute learning skills like Logic and what not. To get these, you need to purchase the skill books on the market. Just open the market, go to the skills section, and select learning. You should see a list of skill books that you can purchase. Some may have prerequisites, but that will be indicated by a red icon near the title of the skill in the market interface (or on the pre-requisite tab if you look at the skill info).
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I am a new player in EVE (2 days). That is to say, I opened a trial account a long time ago (2007 I think) and played for exactly 1 and a half hours (nothing to do with the game as such, just outside time pressures), now I've actually subbed this trial account. I am the type of player who likes to be prepared, I dont need to know every last detail but I like to know the basics, I am analytical, I don't think I'm impatient and thought EVE could be a good match.
So my experiences so far, reading, reading, reading, the advice from everyone seems to be read about the game first. So I've read about 10-15 new player guides, I've read all 77 pages of Battle Clinic's guide, I'm aware there are milions more guides to read.
The thing is, when I'm actually in game and start to do something I realise I have no idea what's going on, I was playing for a day and a half before I even undocked. The skills for instance, my skills sheet says something about having over a million skill points? then I go to train Learning which seems to be a must, and this skill (as far as I can work out) is already learnt up to 5 blocks, the same with a few others. When I look at the Learning skill I don't see any sub options for memory, focus etc that I read about? I was under the impression that you lined skills up and they just progressed over a period of time, whats the use of sp's if they don't reduce learning time? or do they?
When I finally did leave the station I got error messages about being in the wrong part of space and had to choose a new area, not knowing if any of the choices I made would matter.
I never considered myself a fool, but I'm begining to think otherwise.
If you cannot get the hang of a game after a day or two of play I would ask the question whether it might simply not be for you. EvE is a real long haul, and to be honest you need to buy into all the B$ and ignore all the deficiencies of the game to progress as really it is an old game and the long-term players with +year experience have all the aces in the game.
The best advice I can still give is do all of the tutorial missions and then do the sisters of eve storyline arc. Those things will not only give you a lot of information - although you will still want to ask in the rookie help channel for advice and help from time to time - they will also give you a lot of money and modules.
That error thing you got is only because of the initial newbie quest. You can ignore it.
I beta tested the very first online game. I have basically played every online game ever made. Am I any good? Heck no, I stink. never was the super gamer. Been playing since Commodor64 days. I tried Eve 4 times over the years and couldn't even get close to having a clue. This last time it seemed to sink in. Even though I have been playing 2 years now I still am clueless except in the art of missions. and missiles. Something curiously addicting to the game. Defiantly not the normal online game.
Something doesn't read right in these post the cntext speaks of someone who has played the game before. Finding this hard to believe.
Lets have some gameplay comments not pearls of wisdom from someone who has noit really played the game. Lets have some feedback on the game mechanics an what you are actually doing....
________________________________________________________ Sorcery must persist, the future is the Citadel
Wow, Eve Online, I got tired of it yet I still love it. This must be the ultimate mmo for married man.
In my opinion, after roaming as a loner and learning the game structure and play, It is best to join a corp you can actually meet outside and discuss corp strategies at your fav fast food restaurant. This is what I did. Apart from the fun you get playing the game you get more organized and oriented by physical meetings.
Things that will blow your mind .
1- Espionage:
You can be a spy, join another corp while working for another corp, earn trust and steal the BPs
2- Security Contracts
Pay or built equipment for your favorite pirate corp in exchange of taking down another corp for the mine fields.
I probably could go all the way to 50 but I dont have the time to write and I see that I dont have the time play it also anymore.
Unfortuanetly, Eve is a lot harder to play now than 5-6 years ago ( thats how long I played it) There are so much more items, ships, skills and the Universe is much much more dangerous.
Also, has a great community despite the fact that I lost my first Megathrone to a corp named Beer & Kebabs several years ago.
While your under a faster training experiance for 2mil SP? i think. Train your learning skills. tier 1 learning atributes to 5 (cept charisma, unless your really interested). Learning to 5. And if you can afford it, get 2 tier 2 skills. if your mission running, precep (then intel, or willpower?--- depending if your shield tanking or armor tanking. Passive shield tanking is a good route just have to plan for it). After you get those learning skills aim to get the cruiser/battlecruiser 'Suggest'. Then aim for a diverse of shield upgrades, (and if armor tanking) armor. Also might want some navigation, maybe some light scout drones, for cruiser/battle cruiser. Also aim for your weapon skills, "missles or guns".
As for me, im caldari my skills are focused around missles/passive shield tank
(other comment: I-HAS-DRAKE-LOL) , level 3's are a walk in the park, Can't wait to do level 4's... (other thoughts: Using a Industrial Ship to mine while AFK in highsec is handy while your working... cept if they have a target scrambler)
How many posters told him last week to join a corp? What does he do the 2nd week, ignore good advice.
Get in a decent corp. Trying to learn this game on your own is really dumb. Besides most of the fun involves doing things with your corp mates.
Join a corp, join a corp, join a corp. Bull. I've got 8bn in Isk and an equivalent amount of assets. Never been in a corp nor have any intention of joining one. Maybe the guy is an individual who sees this as a test of his ingenuity, intelligence, perserverence, guile, and patience, and doesn't want his hand held like some kid at his first day of school. If he enjoys being a lone wolf then good on him. If he wants he can eventually join a corp on his terms, not some sniveling newb who can't find his way.
On another note, surprised no one has mentioned asteroid belt ratting. Just shooting pirates in belts for quick Isk, combat experience, and possible good loot. Doesn't have the pressure of missions and beats newb mining.
that 8bn wont help you to much in eve mostly because u are alone, so what the purpuse of playing alone ? grindings ISK ?
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Good to hear you're getting your feet wet in the game. This game is of massive depth - much more than any other MMO out there.
You have done the starter missions, but if you need help, the bio for the character Bunyip will be of vast importance to you. This is my character, and I served on the CSM during term 2. Feel free to convo me at any time if you need further help.
Best of luck, and fly safe.
"The civilized man is rude, as he knows there are laws that protect him from recompense; The savage is not, for his actions can meet a bloody end."
- Robert E. Howard
*facepalm*
Oh come ON everyone! Do you really think that this guy is a real new player?.. look at the deep phylsophical way its written, look at how many times he says "its important to note..." as if preaching to its readers. Its more like a guide for new players, which I have no objection to if it wasnt so obvious.
As for joining corps, I disagree with the majority of replys suggesting that this fictional character should be looking to join a corp, I say spend more time with your starting NPC corp and chat to other new players first, you really do need to know how to avoid "scam" corps.. and find like minded people on which you can build a trusting relationship.
I also find myself cringing at the implications of 'Surviving', too many times does the article go on and on about "If I want to survive I must..x y z..".. what exactly is this character you afraid of? Pod pilots are immortal! This you learn from the starting video.
The first few weeks in Eve are nothing to do with 'survival' its about learning, experience and trying to find experienced sympathetic pilots who can give you a leg up.
Ehh its pre-planning for certain situations. like having enough isk to survive in low/null sec, having the skills to do stuff in that area of space.
I just hope he realizes the pre-planning never ends lol.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I think they are simply playing EvE online as a Newbie and aren't asking for any help into Corps. I note in the article he writes:
"It is important to state that the second week of Eve Online will not be the most exciting but it will be necessary if you wish to proceed in a more stable and foundation building manner. "
Well, this has always been my issue with the game that it is a bit on the dull side, and to get anywhere in the game takes time (years even here), multiple accounts (so you can cover all the options), and a good Corp (not easy to get into these until established player, see bracket note on time). I think just mining and doing Tutorial missions probably is what many newbies probably initially do, then they try the PvP and lose or start wondering about the strange game mechanics for flying their ship. CCP didn't make a plot-heavy story-filled game, so week three or 4 may be critical ones for a newbie, we will see :-)
you dont _need_ ISK to "Survive"..
Sorry, but what is there to survive?.. you need ISK to buy things.. its has nothing to do with survival, if indeed that was anything to 'survive', no matter how much ISK you have in your wallet its not going to make any difference in a pvp situation.
You need knowledge and support to survive, nothing else. So rather that pissing about trying to gain ISK concentrate on learning and socialising.... the ISK will come as a reward of those two activities.
How do you support your character if you have no isk? in my experience a player that can support his own character is much more of a value than some douche that asks for handouts. Sure in 0.0 most good corps have ship replacement but damn might as well be a fucking welfare case in the game.
Oh and building social ties and learning game mechanics in Eve is pre-planning also. all ties into being able to survive the game.
Building a solid foundation is what eve is.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I never said anything about having NO isk, simply that survival is in no way dependant on it.
Look, if I gave a player who has never played Eve before 100Bn Isk and a character with 100m SP, without knowledge to use it and with out support from players you will not survive. A Titan on its own cannot survive without a fleet, hell it cant even move to another system without help.
I'm suprised at you Rockgod, you of all people should know this.
This 'new player guide' for lack of a better description seems to be going out of its way to mislead people. First by suggesting that mining is _nessesary_ to gain ISK (when the opposite is true) and that ISK is _nessesary_ to survive, when its true that without knowledge and support its completly useless.
As others have pointed out, if you learn to salvage and scan then you might never need to do a single mission, mine a single rock, never be without ISK (when you need it)..and YES never pay for a subscription again. But you would only know this information if someone taught you. Thats why Universities employ lecturers.. they dont just say, go figure it out for yourself like this article seems to imply.
So no, ISK... much like the cake, is most definatly a lie.
How many posters told him last week to join a corp? What does he do the 2nd week, ignore good advice.
Get in a decent corp. Trying to learn this game on your own is really dumb. Besides most of the fun involves doing things with your corp mates.
IM not saying isk = survival. Im saying pre-planning = survival and imo having the knowledge of setting up a character to be self sufficient a part of it.
Obviously there's more to it that that. this is proven by the fat cats in Eve that are terrible at the game lol.
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Waiting on: GW2, BP
this guys veiw of eve is the standard view of all noobs just starting out in the game, 14 days is simply not long enough to expeirence the game or explore the possibilities. its not liek wow. this is a sandbox game. sandbox as in lots of people in the sand pit with their bucket and spades. you can either form a gang and build a massive sand castle or try to build your own. the diffrence is your own will never be as grand as the one made by the gang. eve is a social game which dictates team play to get enjoyment from it. for instance you cannot experience the real eve by your self. sure you can fly round and watch other people experiencing it by all means, but unless you join those people all you will ever do is watch others having the fun.
eve is about corporation alliances and 0.0 space and its about polotics intelligence diplomacy espionage and wageing war. simply put you cannot manufacture toasters or slay goblins. everything you make and use in eve is essentialy used to kill other players. and in that clip his theory is sound for 1v1 pvp. but as soon as its like 5v5 his theory means absolute dick. 20v 20 completely mealts your mind and when your doing 100v 100 pvp battles you will start to see where eve shines above all other games. it has everything. empire building conquest pvp economics industry espionage. if you can imagine it you can do it.
this is the only mmo that offers this level of game play depth and envolvment and is for the long term player, not the 4 month wow vetterans. wow players rage quit or whine about being a victim on the eve forums all the time. such children shouldnt be aloud near a game like eve.
Join a corp, join a corp, join a corp. Bull. I've got 8bn in Isk and an equivalent amount of assets. Never been in a corp nor have any intention of joining one. Maybe the guy is an individual who sees this as a test of his ingenuity, intelligence, perserverence, guile, and patience, and doesn't want his hand held like some kid at his first day of school. If he enjoys being a lone wolf then good on him. If he wants he can eventually join a corp on his terms, not some sniveling newb who can't find his way.
On another note, surprised no one has mentioned asteroid belt ratting. Just shooting pirates in belts for quick Isk, combat experience, and possible good loot. Doesn't have the pressure of missions and beats newb mining.
well good for you, you will eventually get bored of eve and being alone and not being able to experience the real eve and the real game it is. its impossible to experience eve fully by your self. and asteroid belt ratting in noob space is pointless and unrewarding. pays well in 0.0 though and i have mentioned it
playing alone wolf in eve is all well and good, but your removing your self from the real game that eve is. you simply are not experiencing the true eve while flying solo. you will get bored.
and 8 billion isk is pocket change. most lone wolf players have billions of isk. your going to if you dont run the risk of looseing it in the real game of eve. most ive had in eve is about 30 billion isk in assets and isk. im talking carriers dreads pos towers other structures a single player cannot aquire these things. it takes a team of players working hard together.
if any one wants to experience the true eve and what eve is really about then the only way to do that is a player run corp in an alliance. or create your own alliance and corp and try to accomplish and create your own little empire. eve is about empires not playing solo.
You're just like every religion that propounds having the real "truth". Yours is the only way.
What makes you think you know what is best for all players? Rather than promote your viewpoint as one of many options Eve players can consider, you arrogantly assert that it is the only option.
I don't play Eve to recreate RL corporate experiences, I've had my fill of that. Gorging on lust for empire building does not fit my psyche. Nor does all the superfluous human interaction that comes with it.
You say I'll become bored. I became bored with personalities like yours years ago, as you're a dime a dozen. Give me a hike on a forest trail not knowing what's around the next bend, you can go to your motivational seminars. To each his own.
My 2 accounts beg to differ. While I've not continiously subbed the past 6 and a quarter years, I have subbed most of that time. And I've never joined a corp on either account, I'm still in my initial newbie corps for both.
I am a new player in EVE (2 days). That is to say, I opened a trial account a long time ago (2007 I think) and played for exactly 1 and a half hours (nothing to do with the game as such, just outside time pressures), now I've actually subbed this trial account. I am the type of player who likes to be prepared, I dont need to know every last detail but I like to know the basics, I am analytical, I don't think I'm impatient and thought EVE could be a good match.
So my experiences so far, reading, reading, reading, the advice from everyone seems to be read about the game first. So I've read about 10-15 new player guides, I've read all 77 pages of Battle Clinic's guide, I'm aware there are milions more guides to read.
The thing is, when I'm actually in game and start to do something I realise I have no idea what's going on, I was playing for a day and a half before I even undocked. The skills for instance, my skills sheet says something about having over a million skill points? then I go to train Learning which seems to be a must, and this skill (as far as I can work out) is already learnt up to 5 blocks, the same with a few others. When I look at the Learning skill I don't see any sub options for memory, focus etc that I read about? I was under the impression that you lined skills up and they just progressed over a period of time, whats the use of sp's if they don't reduce learning time? or do they?
When I finally did leave the station I got error messages about being in the wrong part of space and had to choose a new area, not knowing if any of the choices I made would matter.
I never considered myself a fool, but I'm begining to think otherwise.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
MrWolf, a really good place to learn the ins and outs of eve is Eve University.
F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html
Just to comment on the quoted; If I understand correctly, you are looking for the individual attribute learning skills like Logic and what not. To get these, you need to purchase the skill books on the market. Just open the market, go to the skills section, and select learning. You should see a list of skill books that you can purchase. Some may have prerequisites, but that will be indicated by a red icon near the title of the skill in the market interface (or on the pre-requisite tab if you look at the skill info).
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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Thanks for the advice.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
If you cannot get the hang of a game after a day or two of play I would ask the question whether it might simply not be for you. EvE is a real long haul, and to be honest you need to buy into all the B$ and ignore all the deficiencies of the game to progress as really it is an old game and the long-term players with +year experience have all the aces in the game.
The best advice I can still give is do all of the tutorial missions and then do the sisters of eve storyline arc. Those things will not only give you a lot of information - although you will still want to ask in the rookie help channel for advice and help from time to time - they will also give you a lot of money and modules.
That error thing you got is only because of the initial newbie quest. You can ignore it.
I beta tested the very first online game. I have basically played every online game ever made. Am I any good? Heck no, I stink. never was the super gamer. Been playing since Commodor64 days. I tried Eve 4 times over the years and couldn't even get close to having a clue. This last time it seemed to sink in. Even though I have been playing 2 years now I still am clueless except in the art of missions. and missiles. Something curiously addicting to the game. Defiantly not the normal online game.
Just my 2 cents. Have a good and gaming day!
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Something doesn't read right in these post the cntext speaks of someone who has played the game before. Finding this hard to believe.
Lets have some gameplay comments not pearls of wisdom from someone who has noit really played the game. Lets have some feedback on the game mechanics an what you are actually doing....
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Wow, Eve Online, I got tired of it yet I still love it. This must be the ultimate mmo for married man.
In my opinion, after roaming as a loner and learning the game structure and play, It is best to join a corp you can actually meet outside and discuss corp strategies at your fav fast food restaurant. This is what I did. Apart from the fun you get playing the game you get more organized and oriented by physical meetings.
Things that will blow your mind .
1- Espionage:
You can be a spy, join another corp while working for another corp, earn trust and steal the BPs
2- Security Contracts
Pay or built equipment for your favorite pirate corp in exchange of taking down another corp for the mine fields.
I probably could go all the way to 50 but I dont have the time to write and I see that I dont have the time play it also anymore.
Unfortuanetly, Eve is a lot harder to play now than 5-6 years ago ( thats how long I played it) There are so much more items, ships, skills and the Universe is much much more dangerous.
Also, has a great community despite the fact that I lost my first Megathrone to a corp named Beer & Kebabs several years ago.
Beware; This aint ur ordinary MMO
While your under a faster training experiance for 2mil SP? i think. Train your learning skills. tier 1 learning atributes to 5 (cept charisma, unless your really interested). Learning to 5. And if you can afford it, get 2 tier 2 skills. if your mission running, precep (then intel, or willpower?--- depending if your shield tanking or armor tanking. Passive shield tanking is a good route just have to plan for it). After you get those learning skills aim to get the cruiser/battlecruiser 'Suggest'. Then aim for a diverse of shield upgrades, (and if armor tanking) armor. Also might want some navigation, maybe some light scout drones, for cruiser/battle cruiser. Also aim for your weapon skills, "missles or guns".
As for me, im caldari my skills are focused around missles/passive shield tank
(other comment: I-HAS-DRAKE-LOL)
, level 3's are a walk in the park, Can't wait to do level 4's... (other thoughts: Using a Industrial Ship to mine while AFK in highsec is handy while your working... cept if they have a target scrambler)
that 8bn wont help you to much in eve mostly because u are alone, so what the purpuse of playing alone ? grindings ISK ?
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