I'll be the first to stop playing WoW when/if blizzard start selling gear, exp pots, gold etc Items that make a real difference in game.
Untill then let those with the money to spare buy their fluff items and lets all just get on.
Wouldn't it be better to show them that they are pushing the limit now than to wait until they've gone past it?
I don't see that they are pushing anything. There is obviously a market for the items in question. Those who don't want either, aren't being forced to purchase them.
And when it's not a mount but a weapon that is better than any other weapon in the game, so much that many raiding guilds would consider it a 'must have' then will you feel like they've pushed the boundries? Maybe it's not better than any other weapon in the game, maybe it's an 'evolving' weapon that gets better as you level and if you buy the weapon on your account you can use it on any character, from the start. Then would you feel it was 'too much'? The only difference in our arguments here is where each of us chooses to draw the line. I'll say again that I am not blaming anyone for buying the mount, it doesn't matter in the least to me on that point.
I know, you refuse to accept the possibility of this occuring, but I wouldn't have believed people would pay that much to rent a reskinned mount. Reality, in all its drab; washed out colors, can still surprise us all now and again.
They already have those BOA evolving weapons in the game. They also have BOA evolving armor that adds an exp bonus. Those have been in the game for quite some time. I don't see the world ending, or the skies raining fire over it... ^^
They already have those BOA evolving weapons in the game. They also have BOA evolving armor that adds an exp bonus. Those have been in the game for quite some time. I don't see the world ending, or the skies raining fire over it... ^^
Players earned those by playing the game.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
They already have those BOA evolving weapons in the game. They also have BOA evolving armor that adds an exp bonus. Those have been in the game for quite some time. I don't see the world ending, or the skies raining fire over it... ^^
Players earned those by playing the game.
Just like people earn money in various activities?... Its a matter of perception of value.
All of you who say that it's just a game - why are you spending money on it? If it's so low on your totem pole in life, why do you shell out $25 for a pixel pony? I think you've got more of an attachment to this game than you'd actually admit.
Remember, your actions may not directly affect anything to begin with, but you're adversely affecting Blizzard's future choices of RMT by eating this up. Instead of Blizzard adding neat things to be obtainable in game, they'll likely just throw it in their item shop because it's been proven that you'll all buy.
Thanks for your blind willingness to tarnish the integrity of a game already weathered.
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Just curios why was this user banned for his post ? Did mmorpg mods turn into a nazi police or is it just being afraid of losing some of the advertisment income.
Sorry for the off topic it just got my attention when i was reading the thread and found the big sign under:
lol at people paying 25 for a mount? on top of their already 15 per month sub cost.
Its true what many have said about the WoW community that their so accepting of this con job just to make more money. Have fun paying for more game changing cash items down the road because you know this will happen since the success of this item.
Aion v3 "RELOADED" - A glimpse into the future of the MMO genre
I'll be the first to stop playing WoW when/if blizzard start selling gear, exp pots, gold etc Items that make a real difference in game.
Untill then let those with the money to spare buy their fluff items and lets all just get on.
Wouldn't it be better to show them that they are pushing the limit now than to wait until they've gone past it?
I don't see that they are pushing anything. There is obviously a market for the items in question. Those who don't want either, aren't being forced to purchase them.
And when it's not a mount but a weapon that is better than any other weapon in the game, so much that many raiding guilds would consider it a 'must have' then will you feel like they've pushed the boundries? Maybe it's not better than any other weapon in the game, maybe it's an 'evolving' weapon that gets better as you level and if you buy the weapon on your account you can use it on any character, from the start. Then would you feel it was 'too much'? The only difference in our arguments here is where each of us chooses to draw the line. I'll say again that I am not blaming anyone for buying the mount, it doesn't matter in the least to me on that point.
I know, you refuse to accept the possibility of this occuring, but I wouldn't have believed people would pay that much to rent a reskinned mount. Reality, in all its drab; washed out colors, can still surprise us all now and again.
They already have those BOA evolving weapons in the game. They also have BOA evolving armor that adds an exp bonus. Those have been in the game for quite some time. I don't see the world ending, or the skies raining fire over it... ^^
But if they weren't in the game, and instead were only offered as a cash shop item it'd be a different story though, that's all I am saying. (Sorry for my lack of WoW knowledge, I don't play WoW and my point of view isn't based around WoW it is only being used an as example.) ^^
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
Originally posted byDaffid011 - 4/15/10 10:49:59 AM
So tell us Azerin, when will it be acceptable to complain about things like this? Just how many items have to be offered in a cash store before you allow people to complain about it? 100? 10% of all the items created? 50%. Where exactly does the line get crossed?
As for the "fluff" not affecting play, it does. Just because these things do not have stats or abilities doens't mean they don't affect the game and they are not things that some people value more than stats. Traditionally these items would be tied to a quest or achievement. Now that has been removed and gameplay have been replaced with a cash fee. Developers are asking players to pay money to NOT play the game. Think about that. You are defending developers removing gameplay for an optional fee.
There are many people who love to collect things like this. They could care fuck all about stats and dps charts. They enjoy titles, pets, mounts and tons of other vanity items that you so quckly dimsiss as meaningless.
Now ask yourself when it becomes a problem. How many mounts, pets, titles, achievements, graphics, quests, etc have to be removed for you to consider it a problem. If you answer is anything but "everyone of them", then you are in silent agreement that this is a problem, but it just has not crossed your threshold yet.
If and when it does cross your tolerance level, please keep in mind that you were the one shouting down those who disagreed with the entire principle of the this and empowering companies to take these actions. The whole "its not a big deal" mentality is exactly what developers count on so they can continue to push more and more into this area and you are defending it.
This is nothing more than grooming players to accept these sorts of things and I think it sucks on any level.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Originally posted by MMO_Doubter Originally posted by nate1980 So what? Yeah. That's all you needed to write. Blizzard is effectively selling gold - "so what?"
Because mounts are expensive and difficult to get. Right?
Oh, wait, that is actually not true.
This is a fluff item. If you say differently, you are lying or you are delusional.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
well, im not entirely comfortable with the Blizzard cash shop, but, they dont really sell anything yet that has any real effect in game - the most expensive part of obtaining any mount in WoW is not the mount itself, but the skill required to actually be able to ride it, artisan riding skill costs several thousand gold after all - even cold weather flying costs 1000 gold, the mounts themselves cost a fraction of this. though, there is one factor that might annoy people, the celestial mount itself, is only as fast as your current fastest mount, if you buy one and then a month or so later, obtain artisan riding etc then your celestial mount will no longer be your fastest mount. still, much as i like WoW, the cash shop is a worrying trend, if it becomes more pervasive then perhaps i might have to rethink my continued subscription to the game.
How can you justify that stance? If you spend money on alcohol since it is a poison you could be considered to "have a problem"
LOL you picked the wrong example. I agree with you. I don't drink alcohol.
Choosing to abstain yourself is admirable, telling others they are wrong for not agreeing and acting as you do is tyrannical.
i would rather have alcochol and have fun for a night or two, instead of having some pixels in a game that i would leave, or eventually wither away.
And some people would rather eschew alcohol as they dont' like how it makes them feel or that you are just "renting it" and have fun in game with a "pixel" pet they can enjoy for as long as they play the game.
Remember, if you are arguing that "pixels" have no value then that means all video games essentially have no value. I think we all know that we derive enjoyment from our experiences in these games. They are just as tangible as movies or music.
I mean, how much do you spend for cd's or downloads? what are you paying for but sound waves organized in a certain way.
The only difference is that one is a light wave and one is a sound wave.
a day or two of work on graphics. selling for 25 dollars, to people is pretty greedy imo. As for bringing fun by having some pixels? i don't see anything in that bringing fun, but pride in a game (Look i have this mount u don't lol). Also. I still don't get how WoW is fun, the part that made it fun to me and the only, is PVPing with friends. Everything else was boring as hell.
Yesterday, Blizzard announced two new additions to their Blizzard Pet Store, a new "Celestial Steed" flying mount, something that has never been sold on the Blizzard store before, and a "Lil XT" companion pet. The real story here is the flying mount, which even while running a steep $25 a pop, managed to generate $2 million in sales over a four hour period.
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
If you see this as a "hardcore" versus "casual" argument I feel sorry for you. Blizzard isn't doing you a favor little fella. They are making money of a few pixels that so many people are willing to spend real money for. Continue to waste your money on digital items which cost Blizzard hardly nothing to create in some online game.
I am sure this "game" is feeling real rewarding for you now. Games are meant to be fun to play not fun to buy.
well, im not entirely comfortable with the Blizzard cash shop, but, they dont really sell anything yet that has any real effect in game - the most expensive part of obtaining any mount in WoW is not the mount itself, but the skill required to actually be able to ride it, artisan riding skill costs several thousand gold after all - even cold weather flying costs 1000 gold, the mounts themselves cost a fraction of this. though, there is one factor that might annoy people, the celestial mount itself, is only as fast as your current fastest mount, if you buy one and then a month or so later, obtain artisan riding etc then your celestial mount will no longer be your fastest mount.
That is wrong. The cash mount is as fast as your riding skill level. It scales up with your skill. The only excpetion is the +310% mount.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
If you see this as a "hardcore" versus "casual" argument I feel sorry for you. Blizzard isn't doing you a favor little fella. They are making money of a few pixels that so many people are willing to spend real money for. Continue to waste your money on digital items which cost Blizzard hardly nothing to create in some online game.
I am sure this "game" is feeling real rewarding for you now. Games are meant to be fun to play not fun to buy.
Exactly Qombi! The days of being passionate of making great games is over. Its all about the benjamins now. There are only a small handful of developers that are passionate about making great innovative games today. The rest start counting their money before they even make the game.
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
If you see this as a "hardcore" versus "casual" argument I feel sorry for you. Blizzard isn't doing you a favor little fella. They are making money of a few pixels that so many people are willing to spend real money for. Continue to waste your money on digital items which cost Blizzard hardly nothing to create in some online game.
I am sure this "game" is feeling real rewarding for you now. Games are meant to be fun to play not fun to buy.
Exactly Qombi! The days of being passionate of making great games is over. Its all about the benjamins now. There are only a small handful of developers that are passionate about making great innovative games today. The rest start counting their money before they even make the game.
The key to getting benjamins is making a great game young padawan....
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
If you see this as a "hardcore" versus "casual" argument I feel sorry for you. Blizzard isn't doing you a favor little fella. They are making money of a few pixels that so many people are willing to spend real money for. Continue to waste your money on digital items which cost Blizzard hardly nothing to create in some online game.
I am sure this "game" is feeling real rewarding for you now. Games are meant to be fun to play not fun to buy.
Exactly Qombi! The days of being passionate of making great games is over. Its all about the benjamins now. There are only a small handful of developers that are passionate about making great innovative games today. The rest start counting their money before they even make the game.
The key to getting benjamins is making a great game young padawan....
I don't think that is the case at all anymore. What the developers do to get money today is pour tons of money into advertisements and flashy graphics. Same goes for music for the most case for that matter. People today are told what games are number one by advertisements so they start to believe it. The developers with the most money produce the most advertisements. Most games today have no substance and are designed to milk the customer. This goes for single player games as well. Games are made smaller in length today so the rest of the game can be sold in expansion packs and digital downloaded content.
The only games I play anymore it seems is games made by indie developers. They still have passion for making a fun compelling game.
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
If you see this as a "hardcore" versus "casual" argument I feel sorry for you. Blizzard isn't doing you a favor little fella. They are making money of a few pixels that so many people are willing to spend real money for. Continue to waste your money on digital items which cost Blizzard hardly nothing to create in some online game.
I am sure this "game" is feeling real rewarding for you now. Games are meant to be fun to play not fun to buy.
Exactly Qombi! The days of being passionate of making great games is over. Its all about the benjamins now. There are only a small handful of developers that are passionate about making great innovative games today. The rest start counting their money before they even make the game.
Its always been about the money. That IS after all the primary motivator that brings in millions(of other peoples money) as investments in the development of these games. The art house approach is limited to narrow niche markets. Passion is great, but it doesn't pay the bills. Unless there is sufficient capital investment, things go down hill rather quickly.
The only games I play anymore it seems is games made by indie developers. They still have passion for making a fun compelling game.
The people writing flash games on the web are showing more love and creativity than most MMO devs.
I'd hardly call Farmville and its ilk an example of love and creativity...<shudder> But there does seem to be a lot of money in it... To each their own.
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They already have those BOA evolving weapons in the game. They also have BOA evolving armor that adds an exp bonus. Those have been in the game for quite some time. I don't see the world ending, or the skies raining fire over it... ^^
Players earned those by playing the game.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
There's no point arguing with MMO_Doubter he's like a broken record... lets move on.
Oh look cute bunnies. awww
Just like people earn money in various activities?... Its a matter of perception of value.
Too cute... Its a TRAP!! ^^
Just curios why was this user banned for his post ? Did mmorpg mods turn into a nazi police or is it just being afraid of losing some of the advertisment income.
Sorry for the off topic it just got my attention when i was reading the thread and found the big sign under:
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
lol at people paying 25 for a mount? on top of their already 15 per month sub cost.
Its true what many have said about the WoW community that their so accepting of this con job just to make more money. Have fun paying for more game changing cash items down the road because you know this will happen since the success of this item.
Aion v3 "RELOADED" - A glimpse into the future of the MMO genre
But if they weren't in the game, and instead were only offered as a cash shop item it'd be a different story though, that's all I am saying. (Sorry for my lack of WoW knowledge, I don't play WoW and my point of view isn't based around WoW it is only being used an as example.) ^^
Oh noes, some casuals get to buy a shiny horse for real money (that still isn't even 310% speed). It's the end of WoW, this is it, the giant will fall because of this! Every single player will cancel and it will be all over.
That's pretty much what many people here who don't even play WoW are saying to stir drama, like MMO_Doubter. Seriously, Blizz offers a REALLY, REALLY ugly Algalon-Horse for some collectors to buy and suddenly that's the end all product for WoW. I personally feel glad for the casuals who get a "special" looking mount for their money. Sorry, but my Frostbrood Vanquisher seriously disagrees with this being a cool buy by any margin.
The following is a post that was made in another thread a couple of days ago by the member Daffid011. It sums everything up quite well I believe.
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Originally posted by Daffid011 - 4/15/10 10:49:59 AM
So tell us Azerin, when will it be acceptable to complain about things like this? Just how many items have to be offered in a cash store before you allow people to complain about it? 100? 10% of all the items created? 50%. Where exactly does the line get crossed?
As for the "fluff" not affecting play, it does. Just because these things do not have stats or abilities doens't mean they don't affect the game and they are not things that some people value more than stats. Traditionally these items would be tied to a quest or achievement. Now that has been removed and gameplay have been replaced with a cash fee. Developers are asking players to pay money to NOT play the game. Think about that. You are defending developers removing gameplay for an optional fee.
There are many people who love to collect things like this. They could care fuck all about stats and dps charts. They enjoy titles, pets, mounts and tons of other vanity items that you so quckly dimsiss as meaningless.
Now ask yourself when it becomes a problem. How many mounts, pets, titles, achievements, graphics, quests, etc have to be removed for you to consider it a problem. If you answer is anything but "everyone of them", then you are in silent agreement that this is a problem, but it just has not crossed your threshold yet.
If and when it does cross your tolerance level, please keep in mind that you were the one shouting down those who disagreed with the entire principle of the this and empowering companies to take these actions. The whole "its not a big deal" mentality is exactly what developers count on so they can continue to push more and more into this area and you are defending it.
This is nothing more than grooming players to accept these sorts of things and I think it sucks on any level.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Because mounts are expensive and difficult to get. Right?
Oh, wait, that is actually not true.
This is a fluff item. If you say differently, you are lying or you are delusional.
"Gamers will no longer buy the argument that every MMO requires a subscription fee to offset server and bandwidth costs. It's not true you know it, and they know it." Jeff Strain, co-founder of ArenaNet, 2007
WTF? No subscription fee?
well, im not entirely comfortable with the Blizzard cash shop, but, they dont really sell anything yet that has any real effect in game - the most expensive part of obtaining any mount in WoW is not the mount itself, but the skill required to actually be able to ride it, artisan riding skill costs several thousand gold after all - even cold weather flying costs 1000 gold, the mounts themselves cost a fraction of this. though, there is one factor that might annoy people, the celestial mount itself, is only as fast as your current fastest mount, if you buy one and then a month or so later, obtain artisan riding etc then your celestial mount will no longer be your fastest mount. still, much as i like WoW, the cash shop is a worrying trend, if it becomes more pervasive then perhaps i might have to rethink my continued subscription to the game.
How can you justify that stance? If you spend money on alcohol since it is a poison you could be considered to "have a problem"
LOL you picked the wrong example. I agree with you. I don't drink alcohol.
Choosing to abstain yourself is admirable, telling others they are wrong for not agreeing and acting as you do is tyrannical.
i would rather have alcochol and have fun for a night or two, instead of having some pixels in a game that i would leave, or eventually wither away.
And some people would rather eschew alcohol as they dont' like how it makes them feel or that you are just "renting it" and have fun in game with a "pixel" pet they can enjoy for as long as they play the game.
Remember, if you are arguing that "pixels" have no value then that means all video games essentially have no value. I think we all know that we derive enjoyment from our experiences in these games. They are just as tangible as movies or music.
I mean, how much do you spend for cd's or downloads? what are you paying for but sound waves organized in a certain way.
The only difference is that one is a light wave and one is a sound wave.
a day or two of work on graphics. selling for 25 dollars, to people is pretty greedy imo. As for bringing fun by having some pixels? i don't see anything in that bringing fun, but pride in a game (Look i have this mount u don't lol).Also. I still don't get how WoW is fun, the part that made it fun to me and the only, is PVPing with friends. Everything else was boring as hell.
Its official, wow has jumped the shark.
If you see this as a "hardcore" versus "casual" argument I feel sorry for you. Blizzard isn't doing you a favor little fella. They are making money of a few pixels that so many people are willing to spend real money for. Continue to waste your money on digital items which cost Blizzard hardly nothing to create in some online game.
I am sure this "game" is feeling real rewarding for you now. Games are meant to be fun to play not fun to buy.
That is wrong. The cash mount is as fast as your riding skill level. It scales up with your skill. The only excpetion is the +310% mount.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Exactly Qombi! The days of being passionate of making great games is over. Its all about the benjamins now. There are only a small handful of developers that are passionate about making great innovative games today. The rest start counting their money before they even make the game.
The key to getting benjamins is making a great game young padawan....
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PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
I don't think that is the case at all anymore. What the developers do to get money today is pour tons of money into advertisements and flashy graphics. Same goes for music for the most case for that matter. People today are told what games are number one by advertisements so they start to believe it. The developers with the most money produce the most advertisements. Most games today have no substance and are designed to milk the customer. This goes for single player games as well. Games are made smaller in length today so the rest of the game can be sold in expansion packs and digital downloaded content.
The only games I play anymore it seems is games made by indie developers. They still have passion for making a fun compelling game.
Its always been about the money. That IS after all the primary motivator that brings in millions(of other peoples money) as investments in the development of these games. The art house approach is limited to narrow niche markets. Passion is great, but it doesn't pay the bills. Unless there is sufficient capital investment, things go down hill rather quickly.
The real question is, is it more profitable to have an item like this on a cash hop, or to have someone pay for the 3 months more to get the item?
Not any more, it isn't.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
No one is going to play for three months only to get this item.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
The people writing flash games on the web are showing more love and creativity than most MMO devs.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I'd hardly call Farmville and its ilk an example of love and creativity...<shudder> But there does seem to be a lot of money in it... To each their own.