Personally I could care either way which way it all goes I suppose. However, in reading the various posts by both parties am I the only one that's noticed David Allen tends to try and be polite and state what has been done to him and why he feels he's been wronged, while Derek Smart's posts all involve him insulting David Allen and anyone else that doesn't agree with what Smart says?
Isn't there a word or term that describes someone that feels no compulsion to be kind to others, doesn't care who they insult, tends to go out of their way to insult everyone around them, and spends all their time pointing their finger and blaming other people while praising themself as being better than everyone else?
Unless you or anyone else was first party to the events surrounding this issue, all these comments as to who is right, wrong, what happened etc is all speculation, hearsay, and conjecture.
So just stop.
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Funny thing about 1st Amendment rights, means we can speculate and conjecture all we want, and pass around hearsay as well. Kinda regret not seeing your unedited text, but honestly, the fact that your posts keep getting edited is just proof that maybe you're doing it wrong.
Exactly.
When nearly half of your 45 posts have been deleted, maybe there's a problem. Knowing Mr. Smarts logic, it's probably MMORPG's fault somehow. I love how Mr. Smart loves to point out how everyone else is breaking ToS but totally overlooks his poor track record in this department. These are not the Alganon forums Mr. Smart. You hold no special authority or presence here. You are nothing more than another poster like the rest of us.
We may not have been first party to the events, but given the actions of both parties involved, you are doing nothing to garner favor to your side of the debate(yeah I know you don't care, that's why you incessantly respond to all of these threads). If anything, you're lending creedence to all the claims by David Allen in the eyes of those watching this soap opera.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
They guy who should have never opened this can of worms is telling everyone else to stop.
What in the world were you thinking bashing David Allen and his team? Is it worth it? Do you realize you're hurting yourself far more than you're hurting Allen? Its not too late to take the high road, and take your own advice.
As I said previously, it is always easy for people who have no clue what happened to start pointing the finger, speculating and generally making comments as if they are better than anyone else.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
As I said previously, it is always easy for people who have no clue what happened to start pointing the finger, speculating and generally making comments as if they are better than anyone else.
As I said previously, it is always easy for people who have no clue what happened to start pointing the finger, speculating and generally making comments as if they are better than anyone else.
The smartest thing you can do for your career is to count to 10 after typing out a post and hitting cancel.
Oh,if you did not know the polite, proper, mature and legal thing to do is to give Randall Munroe (XKCD) his due credit for using his cartoon. Yes, I read the tangential piece and the your opinions, which are stated as fact (ironic considering your postings on the Steam forums), are not really supporting the arguments you elude to.
Immaturity is rampant throughout all metrics and demographics. It even ebbs with circumstances. However if you are proclaiming yourself to be the most mature then you have to wonder if you truly finished maturation.
By the by, you do realize any possible future employer can google your name?
As I said previously, it is always easy for people who have no clue what happened to start pointing the finger, speculating and generally making comments as if they are better than anyone else.
I was kind of on the fence about this whole debacle but you sir are the only one of the two who actually came onto these boards and proved yourself to be a *******
As I said previously, it is always easy for people who have no clue what happened to start pointing the finger, speculating and generally making comments as if they are better than anyone else.
Do you realize you accuse others of doing exactly what you do on a consistent basis? Are you really that obtuse?
I suggest you re-read and reflect on all your posts across multiple forums before you start slamming others for "making comments as if they are better than anyone else". As a matter of fact, that behavior is exactly what has lead to your current legal situation with David Allen.
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Ok, after reading your link I've come to the conclusion that you really just don't get it. The fact that you think David Allen's defamation suit is "ludicrous" when the proof is slathered all over the internet across multiple forums shows just how out of touch your reality is with everyone else's....amazing.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
Hmm, Smart releases a great deal of information about Alganon finances, investors and investments in the 'Dave Allen saga' he links to. Including how much money the game made in subs and sales into the middle of january (page 6).
Again, IANAL, but... I will cite the widely-known and understood schoolyard doctrine of "Neenerus Neeneratum". Speculation is fun. My saving throw against boredom is weak, so I'm going to pass on your self-serving rant.
I can also roleplay the tower in a chess game and shout "is that a peasant at the horizon I see? I will smash it I will! Oh damn I broke one of my merlons!". -- maji
I know you guys are all anxiously waiting for either myself or QOL to respond in an official capacity. Unlike David, we are actually running our response through legal counsel before we release it.
David is yelling about defamation, yet he does the following:
1. Makes official public statements like this:
In an effort to enhance Alganon’s® market visibility and following the direction of certain investors, QOL hired Derek Smart as a consultant on December 3, 2009 to assist in the area of sales and marketing. Soon thereafter, and for reasons unbeknownst to me, Mr. Smart began a smear campaign attacking my credibility, first privately among the investors, and then publicly.
Statements which are not only false, but also relies on the very investors he cheated and lied to. The same investors who unanimously kicked him out of the company. The same investors who are currently engaged in burying him in more lawsuits than he could possibly imagine.
2. Goes and issues a press release to "tell his skewed side"
The facts are clear and without interpretation. His complaint (there is no lawsuit btw, thats just rubbish) is without merit and is just designed to strong arm people to do what they have been doing these past four years: give him money.
He can make as much noise as he wants but that won't change the facts. I, for one, can't wait for him to sue because once he does that, everything goes into discovery and the world will eventually see him for the person that he is, the actions he has taken and how - once again - he brought a company to the brink and nearly destroyed it. Only this time the investors had me in place and so the damage was somewhat contained.
This is the guy who goes and "withdraws" whatever little money was left in the company, then gave it to attorneys (first one in Seattle, we just laughed at and sent him packing, then he got another in AZ - we're still laughing) in a bid to sue the very company and investors whose money it was. Money that was for payroll and company expenses.
Right now he should be more concerned about the FBI, the IRS and the SEC more than filing frivolous suits that he has NO money to see through. Whatever money he had left, has already been spent on attorney retainers. Lets see how exactly he plans on bringing about frivolous lawsuits to no less than fourteen individuals and two companies. Not to mention the counter suits and cross complaints that are in the works and which he is most likely going to be buried in for the next ten years of his life.
We've known about his complaint since it was filed back on Mar 25th. But he chose to issue a press release on April 7th? My guess is that he's out looking for a job or some fool to give him money.
In typical David fashion, he has no clue wtf he is doing or what's coming down the line. All this is just noise to take away from the fact that he screwed several investors, screwed thousans of gamers, nearly destroyed the company and left a frigging mess behind. A mess that I have been tasked with clearing up and fixing.
If him or his attorneys have any sense whatsoever, they would closely examine the FACTS surrounding libel and defamation. To think that for as long as I've been on the Net that I would make statements which would even be construed as such, is not only hilarious but is the kind of thing that helps attorneys renovate their homes, buy a yatcht or send their spouses on a shopping spree. Only the attorneys win.
For those of you who really want to learn something, here are just two of thousands of legal briefs on defamation.
Apart from that, the same way that he tends to lie, we feel that he has not been forthcoming with his attorneys either because there is no way in hell they would even think of filing a complaint, let alone saber rattle if they had all the facts. But he wont' be the first one to lie to attorneys and then engage in damage control when a lawsuit hits.
Legal complaints are usually filed in order to extort money from their target. Thats why the courts place a time limit on them and during which you either piss or get off the pot. This complaint is no different as he has been trying to use it to leverage an exhorbitant buyout that he is in no way, shape or form is entitled to. Now whatever money he would have received is going to go to attorneys.
David - once again - severely underestimates the investors. Because he pretty much spent four years feeding them bullshit and them giving him money, he thinks that they're just going to cave and pay him to go away. When no less than ten people unanimously vote you OUT of a company - TWICE - it means only one thing: they want you GONE.
There is a reason why, since the complaint was filed, nobody from our side has said anything about it publicly. The reason is simple: it is rubbish and without merit.
When David Allen decided to bring me to QOL to HELP him, then LIE to me and try to get me to play along with his scheme to continue bilking the investors through lies and deceit he drew the line. Had I gone along with that plan, it would a different story today. The court documents will show EXACTLY what happened. So go ahead David, bring it.
That's what happens when you sue people who actually have money to defend themselves.
Meanwhile, we finished and shipped Alganon - and the game is growing everyday and with even more improvements to come.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
If this thread poped up and there was nothing new added in the last 2 months, then perhaps you should have just left it alone.
Now you just look like you necroed the post from 2 months ago with some Bull!@#$ excuse, just so you could have the last word and proclaim yourself some sort of victor in this trainwreck of internet drama.
Not that either of you look the least bit believable in your smear campaigns, but I'm certain you won't see it that way.
Whatever man, whatever. I didn't realize that someone died and left you in charge. Get a grip.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living. If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead ...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
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Personally I could care either way which way it all goes I suppose. However, in reading the various posts by both parties am I the only one that's noticed David Allen tends to try and be polite and state what has been done to him and why he feels he's been wronged, while Derek Smart's posts all involve him insulting David Allen and anyone else that doesn't agree with what Smart says?
Isn't there a word or term that describes someone that feels no compulsion to be kind to others, doesn't care who they insult, tends to go out of their way to insult everyone around them, and spends all their time pointing their finger and blaming other people while praising themself as being better than everyone else?
Exactly.
When nearly half of your 45 posts have been deleted, maybe there's a problem. Knowing Mr. Smarts logic, it's probably MMORPG's fault somehow. I love how Mr. Smart loves to point out how everyone else is breaking ToS but totally overlooks his poor track record in this department. These are not the Alganon forums Mr. Smart. You hold no special authority or presence here. You are nothing more than another poster like the rest of us.
We may not have been first party to the events, but given the actions of both parties involved, you are doing nothing to garner favor to your side of the debate(yeah I know you don't care, that's why you incessantly respond to all of these threads). If anything, you're lending creedence to all the claims by David Allen in the eyes of those watching this soap opera.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
They guy who should have never opened this can of worms is telling everyone else to stop.
What in the world were you thinking bashing David Allen and his team? Is it worth it? Do you realize you're hurting yourself far more than you're hurting Allen? Its not too late to take the high road, and take your own advice.
As I said previously, it is always easy for people who have no clue what happened to start pointing the finger, speculating and generally making comments as if they are better than anyone else.
This wasn't supposed to be going out until tomorrow, but here, go read and stop speculating.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Wall of uber text crits readers for a whole lot.
Also, it's Hadron not Haldron.
I find it shocking and actually though it was fake the fact you're posting here... slander at that.
You sir should get a grip.
Child.
The smartest thing you can do for your career is to count to 10 after typing out a post and hitting cancel.
Oh,if you did not know the polite, proper, mature and legal thing to do is to give Randall Munroe (XKCD) his due credit for using his cartoon. Yes, I read the tangential piece and the your opinions, which are stated as fact (ironic considering your postings on the Steam forums), are not really supporting the arguments you elude to.
Immaturity is rampant throughout all metrics and demographics. It even ebbs with circumstances. However if you are proclaiming yourself to be the most mature then you have to wonder if you truly finished maturation.
By the by, you do realize any possible future employer can google your name?
I was kind of on the fence about this whole debacle but you sir are the only one of the two who actually came onto these boards and proved yourself to be a *******
Wow, just wow.
Do you realize you accuse others of doing exactly what you do on a consistent basis? Are you really that obtuse?
I suggest you re-read and reflect on all your posts across multiple forums before you start slamming others for "making comments as if they are better than anyone else". As a matter of fact, that behavior is exactly what has lead to your current legal situation with David Allen.
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Ok, after reading your link I've come to the conclusion that you really just don't get it. The fact that you think David Allen's defamation suit is "ludicrous" when the proof is slathered all over the internet across multiple forums shows just how out of touch your reality is with everyone else's....amazing.
Einherjar_LC says: WTB the true successor to UO or Asheron's Call pst!
Hmm, Smart releases a great deal of information about Alganon finances, investors and investments in the 'Dave Allen saga' he links to. Including how much money the game made in subs and sales into the middle of january (page 6).
http://www.dereksmart.org/bin/TheDaveAllenSaga-REDACTED.pdf
It seems Smart is totally clueless as to how pdf files work (much like the CIA). So it's an educational read...
Again, IANAL, but... I will cite the widely-known and understood schoolyard doctrine of "Neenerus Neeneratum". Speculation is fun. My saving throw against boredom is weak, so I'm going to pass on your self-serving rant.
I can also roleplay the tower in a chess game and shout "is that a peasant at the horizon I see? I will smash it I will! Oh damn I broke one of my merlons!". -- maji
Not sure why this thread popped up with a new post on Google Alerts, when in fact the most recent post is from April 7th.
Was there a recent post that was subsequently deleted?
Anyway, the current status of this matter is that everyone he named in his frivolous suit has or is in the process of counter-suing him for everything ranging from embezzlement and conversion, to everything in between.
That's what happens when you sue people who actually have money to defend themselves.
Meanwhile, we finished and shipped Alganon - and the game is growing everyday and with even more improvements to come.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
If this thread poped up and there was nothing new added in the last 2 months, then perhaps you should have just left it alone.
Now you just look like you necroed the post from 2 months ago with some Bull!@#$ excuse, just so you could have the last word and proclaim yourself some sort of victor in this trainwreck of internet drama.
Not that either of you look the least bit believable in your smear campaigns, but I'm certain you won't see it that way.
Whatever man, whatever. I didn't realize that someone died and left you in charge. Get a grip.
Game developers are just human beings who happen to make games for a living.
If you want to hold us up to higher standards of conduct, then go ahead
...but don't be surprised if we don't uphold them.
Necromancing threads is not allowed.
Locked.
Fortune favours the bold.