Is AoC larger in player numbers than LOTRO

MMO.Maverick · May 2010

?? How can you see it is reported? I mean, it's still there, it hasnt been "mod edited" or so.

slim26 · May 2010

Originally posted by goldenkey

Originally posted by Draemos

Nah, LotR is larger. But I wouldn't t wager it will be for very much longer. AoC is on the upswing and is finally starting to live up to its potential, LotRO has pretty much peaked.

This Is very true I play both I am a lifer at LORTO but not active ATM. AOC has seen a very large up swing lately the jury is still out on whether or not this will last. Turbine has put LORTO on the back burner ever sense moria and with their new cash cow DDO pulling more and more resources away from LORTO no telling when that game will take off again.

How it wont last? AoC have alot of things to do in it more than before. Lol I don't understand this bs, what do you guys want in an MMORPG because AoC is not missing anything. I play AoC and I enjoy it, I see nothing wrong with the damn game, you guys should be happy its growing to be a better MMORPG what the hell ??I am lost??

Aercus · May 2010

Originally posted by cyphers
?? How can you see it is reported? I mean, it's still there, it hasnt been "mod edited" or so.

Try hitting the "Report" button, it's already been reported. I just *knew* it was going to happen and had to check. Hopefully the mods appreciate humor

MMO.Maverick · May 2010

Ah, like that! Thanks, didn't know it worked like that

Aercus · May 2010

Originally posted by cyphers
Ah, like that! Thanks, didn't know it worked like that

As the Oracle known briefly to mankind as Douglas Adams said: "You live, you learn. At any rate, you live."

Death_Glare · May 2010

If elusivex got banned for his post.... thats just sad on the part of mmorpg.com for not having a sense of humor.

I never saw a reason to post before today, because honestly most these threads consist of kids bitching at each other. His/her post was the first funny one Ive seen so far...

finaticd · May 2010

Originally posted by Draemos

Originally posted by finaticd

Originally posted by Frostbite05

Originally posted by Seikninkuru

All the subs in the world wouldn't make AoC a good game, so I fail to see the point of this discussion.

The general consensus now is that the game itself is very good. Now if it was a year and a half ago yes the game wasn't very good at all.

Not realy...grinding PvE that is easily exploited http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=220071 combined with the worst PvP system of any MMO ever devised, but to answer the OP....LOTRO at least has double the population, easily. LOTRO hasn't released anything for a while and has similar numbers to AoC. So LOTOR has a small percent of it's population playing, while AoC has pretty much everyone playing. If you play MMOs you know what is up....people play till they max out then hibernate then play again when stuff is new. So yeah LOTOR is still ahead.

What do you mean "not really?" The expansion has scored high on every professional review site, including this one, and it has an incredibly high satisifaction rating with the players. Ton's of players are singing the praises of the game, its won most improved MMO awards over the last year, and its population is on the upswing in a major way.

Do you mean "I got a bug in my pants against Funcom, so I'm going to rabble rabble rabble about anything I can to make it seem like its a bad game. Jebus dude, just get over it.

Yeah the reviews where high at release and look how that went.....I'm just saying compared to any other MMO expansion, AoC falls short. That isn't hard to see if you played any other MMOs.

Xploitable AAXP

the best PvP rewards come from hitting rocks for hours on end.

Faction grinds are the biggest new thing and yeah those are fun.

Also the end game raiding got 2 new bosses, which is very little.

So yeah I can tell you already Funcom is in for trouble in the long-term. What part of what I mentioned which just touch on major issues do you find a step in the right direction?

It doesn't matter what I say, the important thing is how little Funcom did. Ohhh 2 bosses, no PvP, faction grinds, and only 5 new zones after 2 years. I never even played LOTRO and I can tell you it is a better MMO and has more players that it will keep longer because it has more than 2 new raid bosses per expansion and develops faster than Funcom.

Draemos · May 2010

I never even played LOTRO and I can tell you it is a better MMO and has more players that it will keep longer because it has more than 2 new raid bosses per expansion and develops faster than Funcom.

I have played LOTRO, and I can tell you... its not. Its also fairly obvious you haven't played AoC's expansion, but have simply read about it.

gnomechef · May 2010

After MoM expansion, lotro has turned into a piece of junk. Most of the original population left, and has been replaced by wow-tards and some children, its a grinding (albeit through quests), gear gated, gear dependant, bland game now.

finaticd · May 2010

Originally posted by Draemos

I never even played LOTRO and I can tell you it is a better MMO and has more players that it will keep longer because it has more than 2 new raid bosses per expansion and develops faster than Funcom.

I have played LOTRO, and I can tell you... its not. Its also fairly obvious you haven't played AoC's expansion, but have simply read about it.

IDK it must have more than 2 raid bosses that will at least sustain raid guilds.....2 bosses when T3 has been out for 6-8 months will not.

Plus I don't get where where the issue is, AoC players gripe how easy LOTRO is yet AoC has pay for 100% xp pots, free lvl 50, easyAAXP and non contested pvp xp so that point is mute.

But yeah like I said LOTRO wasn't interesting to me. Perhaps a new raiding MMO or something but most MMOs now are doing poorly in the content department.

Aercus · May 2010

Originally posted by finaticd

Originally posted by Draemos

I never even played LOTRO and I can tell you it is a better MMO and has more players that it will keep longer because it has more than 2 new raid bosses per expansion and develops faster than Funcom.

I have played LOTRO, and I can tell you... its not. Its also fairly obvious you haven't played AoC's expansion, but have simply read about it.

IDK it must have more than 2 raid bosses that will at least sustain raid guilds.....2 bosses when T3 has been out for 6-8 months will not.

Plus I don't get where where the issue is, AoC players gripe how easy LOTRO is yet AoC has pay for 100% xp pots, free lvl 50, easyAAXP and non contested pvp xp so that point is mute.

But yeah like I said LOTRO wasn't interesting to me. Perhaps a new raiding MMO or something but most MMOs now are doing poorly in the content department.

I assume you don't play LoTRO either, which qualifies you as an expert in your own eyes only...

LoTRO is know and respected for a many number of things, the raid content is not one of those. Also, I got like 2 or 3 free levels when LoTRO sped up progression, and lately they have sped it up even more and give out quest xp like candy and solofied what was earlier group content. It's neither easier or harder, better or worse, than AoC, it's all a matter of personal preference.

Both are great games which I hope the best for. As for who has the most players... Who cares?

Wharg0ul · May 2010

LOTRO is a good game...but:

It's too happy for me. AoC feels dirty, barbaric, and perverse. LOTRO seems clean, happy, and.....dare I say "cute"?

I keep trying to go back to LOTRO, but can't get more than a month into it before I feel like I'm going to puke. And there's only so many times I can collect wolf/bear/boar hides, I mean SERIOUSLY

Aercus · May 2010

Originally posted by Death_Glare
If elusivex got banned for his post.... thats just sad on the part of mmorpg.com for not having a sense of humor.

I never saw a reason to post before today, because honestly most these threads consist of kids bitching at each other. His/her post was the first funny one Ive seen so far...

Indeed he did, pretty heavy handed modding if you ask me..

Keep it serious guys, this is games we are talking about!

Agricola1 · May 2010

AoC has less subscribers than LoTRO, by quite a margin. To address the people talking about 100 - 300k subscribers to AoC this is just bologne. Wee can take a look at Funcom Q1 results,

Revenues for Q110 were 3,835 TUSD (3.8mil)

So assuming all of that revenue came from only subscriptions from AoC it would amount to 255k subscriptions, pretty nice number right? Well not all of their revenue comes from subs from AoC does it? Also yake a look at this statement from their own financial report,

"Age of Conan has been impaired due to a negative development in the customer base and revised

estimates for future cash flows resulting from this. We consider the main reasons for this development to be

a lack of long-term affinity for the game combined with the market situation."

Doesn't exactly fill you full of confidence does it? Add to that they're getting $1mil in subsidies over the next 2 years from the state which factor into those revenues. Money from investments and loans and so forth and box sales I'd say AoC would be doing well to have 70k subs right now, probably alot less.Lotro is probably doing around 100-150k subs.

But right now even Funcom has no confidence in their own product the only people that do are the few faithfull on the forums. Why should Funcom care either? They are ploughing all their revenue into TSW now, which will be another slash and burn MMORPG as AoC was.

Funcom Q1 report

Aercus · May 2010

Originally posted by Agricola1
AoC has less subscribers than LoTRO, by quite a margin. To address the people talking about 100 - 300k subscribers to AoC this is just bologne. Wee can take a look at Funcom Q1 results,

Revenues for Q110 were 3,835 TUSD (3.8mil)

So assuming all of that revenue came from only subscriptions from AoC it would amount to 255k subscriptions, pretty nice number right? Well not all of their revenue comes from subs from AoC does it? Also yake a look at this statement from their own financial report,

"Age of Conan has been impaired due to a negative development in the customer base and revised

estimates for future cash flows resulting from this. We consider the main reasons for this development to be

a lack of long-term affinity for the game combined with the market situation."

Doesn't exactly fill you full of confidence does it? Add to that they're getting $1mil in subsidies over the next 2 years from the state which factor into those revenues. Money from investments and loans and so forth and box sales I'd say AoC would be doing well to have 70k subs right now, probably alot less.Lotro is probably doing around 100-150k subs.

But right now even Funcom has no confidence in their own product the only people that do are the few faithfull on the forums. Why should Funcom care either? They are ploughing all their revenue into TSW now, which will be another slash and burn MMORPG as AoC was.

Funcom Q1 report

Your quote refers to an impairment of the R&D expense which was activated as a loss instead of being carried as an intangible asset, and was done in Q3 2009. But good try

As for subs, probably lower than LoTRO, I'm not gonna take a stab at any number. But this is not a discussion about subs, rather about players. Also, I would expect the game to be larger than LoTRO player wise after the Korea launch.

They are confirming that the xpac saw an increase in players and expects increase in subs: "From a few weeks before launch, the Company has seen positive trends in both player activity and client downloads of the game. Those trends have been reinforced after the launch. The expansion pack is still in its launch phase and it is premature to conclude whether the change will have lasting long-term effects." and "The Company’s revenues in Q210 are expected to be higher than in Q110. The Company is currently in the launch phase of the first expansion pack for Age of Conan, and the impact on revenues from this launch is still relatively uncertain." The last statements in the quotes are a must due to the accounting principle of prudence.

As for long term support for the game it is also addressed: "The Company has a defined investment program, including continued investments in Age of Conan"

The funding from the Research Council will not be activated as revenues, but will be put into the balance sheet as a financial asset or receivable (depending on time frame of disbursement). Neither does it relate to AoC, but rather continued development of their engine (which is to be used in a number of other games, including, but not limited to, TSW).

MMO.Maverick · May 2010

It's always hard to "guesstimate" sub & player numbers of a MMO, especially if the companies to which the MMO's belong don't prove any figures. Nonetheless, trends in activity seem to indicate that the player population at the moment is twice to thrice the size it was compared to the beginning of this year.

Antaran · May 2010

Originally posted by TSWBETAROGS
Is AoC larger in player numbers than LOTRO

I was just checking the xfire number today, AoC is nr 4 of pay for MMORPG with WOW, AION and EVE above. Xfire is showing more than 33% more playing time than Lotro. I know they have a play to win campain, but that startet 17mai, and the largest increas started before that.

I'd have to say no but i haven't been in AoC for a couple of months now so don't quote me on it.

XFIRE can't be used in any way shape or form to work out population or number of players or anything such as that, XFIRE only works and calculates the people who have xfire running at the time they are playing, not everyone has xfire and i know that there are times when i played a game and turned it off beforehand in order to keep from being pestered by anyone while i was mid combat.

i was in LotRo not too long ago during the free week thats recently ended and i know Gilrain (the server i've played for over a year) isn't the highest population base but there was a lot of players online pretty much all day and into the early hours of the night. the earlier regions do seem deserted but the majority of people are around the higher end areas such as Angmar, Forochel etc or doing Moria/Lorien.

Vagrant_Zero · May 2010

Originally posted by Wharg0ul
LOTRO is a good game...but:
It's too happy for me. AoC feels dirty, barbaric, and perverse. LOTRO seems clean, happy, and.....dare I say "cute"?
I keep trying to go back to LOTRO, but can't get more than a month into it before I feel like I'm going to puke. And there's only so many times I can collect wolf/bear/boar hides, I mean SERIOUSLY

LotRO starts out "happy" because the game world hasn't gotten its ass handed back to it by Sauron...yet.

Mines of Moria is anything but happy though, it was the most hellish zone I've ever played in an MMO. When I FINALLY got to the other side and emerged in Lothlorien I practically crapped my pants with joy. It was literally the first time I'd seen sunlight in the game world for well over a week.

Moria was awesome. It was also hell. I will never again level through that content again though, I'm perfectly content with appreciating and respecting it from afar...very very afar.

djazzy · May 2010

I think both games are good for what they are. One thing I will say that the combat in AoC is a heck of a lot better than in Lotro and ultimately that's what you do 90% of the time in these games. Lotro does have some other things that are pretty neat though. Not really my cup of tea though.

CultOfXtc · May 2010

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

LOTRO is a good game...but:

It's too happy for me. AoC feels dirty, barbaric, and perverse. LOTRO seems clean, happy, and.....dare I say "cute"?

I keep trying to go back to LOTRO, but can't get more than a month into it before I feel like I'm going to puke. And there's only so many times I can collect wolf/bear/boar hides, I mean SERIOUSLY

LotRO starts out "happy" because the game world hasn't gotten its ass handed back to it by Sauron...yet.

Mines of Moria is anything but happy though, it was the most hellish zone I've ever played in an MMO. When I FINALLY got to the other side and emerged in Lothlorien I practically crapped my pants with joy. It was literally the first time I'd seen sunlight in the game world for well over a week.

Moria was awesome. It was also hell. I will never again level through that content again though, I'm perfectly content with appreciating and respecting it from afar...very very afar.

LOL I love how you liked how much you hated a zone in a game. Howeve rI had the same kind of feeling aswell. MoM is a bit cramped and not as open as the outside zones which is LOTRO's strength. LOTRO will always have more players than AoC (imo - and I am big fan of AoC) due to LOTRO's Lifers (of which I am one).

jblah · May 2010

Until I hear of server queues or they add a new server I am going to say its not even close. I have not logged into LoTRo in a month or so but LoTRo even with a long time since any major content updates still has a lot more subscribers. Even with all of the hype with AoC as of late it stil can't fill a server or manage to attract enough people to open a new one.

Funcom announced they sold 750k boxes at the games original launch so I think either the hype machine is not working or the numbers people are claiming they see now are simply not there. I keep wanting to come back and try the game but the official forums are not very attractive to new players from the PVP exploits and the new AA system exploits where people are maxed out already.

I remember when the Protus_AoC type guys were spouting how great the game was and how there were so many people playing and that turned out to be false then along with quite a few websites rating AoC with high scores after it first launched. This all just feels too familiar to me and I feel I would be a fool to fall for that again. I don't feel a trial to level 20 would really tell me anything about the game I didn't know when it launched as that was the same then as well.

Cerion · May 2010

The only thing that xfire numbers tell you is that more people who have xfire are playing AoC at the moment. To draw any other conclusion is to draw a false correlation.

Also, xfire numbers fail to represent subscription overlap. I could have a subscription to both LOTRO and AoC, and yet have more hours playing AoC at the present time. Those additional hours fail to recognize that I'm STILL subbed to LOTRO.

So yeah, xFire not that important.

Wharg0ul · May 2010

Originally posted by Vagrant_Zero

Originally posted by Wharg0ul

LOTRO is a good game...but:

It's too happy for me. AoC feels dirty, barbaric, and perverse. LOTRO seems clean, happy, and.....dare I say "cute"?

I keep trying to go back to LOTRO, but can't get more than a month into it before I feel like I'm going to puke. And there's only so many times I can collect wolf/bear/boar hides, I mean SERIOUSLY

LotRO starts out "happy" because the game world hasn't gotten its ass handed back to it by Sauron...yet.

Mines of Moria is anything but happy though, it was the most hellish zone I've ever played in an MMO. When I FINALLY got to the other side and emerged in Lothlorien I practically crapped my pants with joy. It was literally the first time I'd seen sunlight in the game world for well over a week.

Moria was awesome. It was also hell. I will never again level through that content again though, I'm perfectly content with appreciating and respecting it from afar...very very afar.

Even with all the "doom and gloom" in LOTRO, it's STILL "happy and nice".

You'll never see a drunk pirate piss off a dock. People are simply killed...they aren't stripped, raped and decapitated.

In cities (Bree, for example) people are playing music, dancing around, having a grand old time. Everythng's clean, and fresh.

Compare Bree with Tortage sometime. I think that about summs it up, really.

Yeah, LOTRO has some cool atmospheric locations, and effects. But it's good vs evil, in a very cut-and-dry fashion. AoC portreys people living in a barbaric time, doing what they can to survive.....if that means robbing, murdering, or even whoring, then so be it.

Completely different environment entirely.

Aceundor · May 2010

The thing is that AoC is presently experiencing a "re-awakening" in the MMO community. How long this will last and how deep it will go remain to bee seen. However there is definately a positivie vibe around it. Right now AoC is "the place to be"

Lotro is experiencing that players are in a "been there done that" faze. It is a great game and has been a great game for a long time. That is part of its, call it , "problem".

So I would say that the number of players in AoC is increasing while playernumbers in Lotro is decreasing. However I dont beleive that AoC has more players than Lotro at the moment. AoC was so far behind Lotro that it would take some more time to catch up.

If I should guess I would say Lotro as about 200 - 250K players while AoC has about 150K players. (up from 80 k)

Lets see if AoC keeps up its momentum. It is certanly on the right track. Playing last night I was happy to see lots of people around. Thats whats counts for me, that the world is alive.

Electriceye · May 2010

Originally posted by jblah

I keep wanting to come back and try the game but the official forums are not very attractive to new players from the PVP exploits and the new AA system exploits where people are maxed out already.

This is a joke.. right? These forums got to a whole new level of "rosiness" if the only significant new mechanic not working as intended isn't even mentioned.

@OP: I doubt AoC is even close to LOTRO subs numbers as it has considerably less amount of server activity and overall servers than LOTRo. It just doesn't make sense.

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