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The main reason SWG:ToR will fail in the long run.
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And Star Wars fans, and Bioware fans, and RPG fans, and MMORPG gamers who are interested enough to give the game a shot. Seems like enough as a base to me.
Look, you'll probably go on and find some other lame arguments, since that's what you do post-WH Online, but not everybody has become that jaded that they only see the worst aspects in games. No offence meant, it sucks for you that the WH Online failure has burnt you enough to become this super cynical, but some people have a more balanced view: you know, seeing both good and bad sides.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
I found it amazing too at first. But it's like soaps and other shows on tv, they thrive on conflict, and conflict is what makes people keep on watching.
On forums it's even more: if you see a viewpoint that affronts someone, that person feels the urge to react upon it faster than reading posts they agree with.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
You see - as a player - I don't care if BioWare makes a kajillion dollars or not. I care whether the game is fun to play.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Being a active player until the end...
Tr was doing great when ncsoft pulled the plug on the game. There was obviously alot of tension between garriott and ncsoft and from what I've read, Tr was shut down to eliminate a whole branch in dallas and to get rid of r.g.
A group of my buddies have been contacting game developers/producers trying to get tr picked back up, but ncsoft has no interest in selling their code do the the multi million dollar lawsuit between rg and them.
If you look at ncsofts track record.. any game that doesn't pull outstanding cash flow usually gets the axe...
Other than pre cu swg, tr was the most fun I've had in a mmo.
Never played KOTOR I nor KOTOR II and I will be playing TOR... So it doesn't depend on how many KOTOR fans there are.. Really depends more on how many Star Wars fans there are who like video games.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
"Swtor is going to do just fine"
Apparently, you can.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Matt Damon....
To those saying that because the game is based on the Star Wars IP it cannot fail. Let's look at the history of IP's for a sec.
Age of Conan...OMG a huge IP. We're talking about the IP with Conan the Barbarian and the world of Hyboria! It is not doing so hot. Funcom is trying to recover from the bungled launch still. It never saw the success it should have seen.
Star Trek Online, another well known and cherished IP and it is struggling to retain players. How could it possibly fail? I mean my God, we're talking Star Trek here! Yet the game is doing horrible in subscriptions. How bad of game is it? It is so bad they can't give the game away!
SWG - the original. You'd think it would have been a massive hit. Wrong. In fact in two years after it's launch it is estimated that the number of subs had dropped to low as 30k. Down from the 350k it had before that. But it is Star Wars! How could it possibly fail?! 5 letters come to mind. CU and NGE. SOE did not know thier target audiance at all. Fail!
So if you honestly think that BioWare has a auto win button and all they have to do is push it and their game will be a success...LOL! I want the herbs you all are smoking! Sounds like great stuff!
I wonder if Star Wars 2 and 3 would have been better if that awful lightweight Hayden Christiansen had been replaced by Christian Bale who really can brood like a Sith lord should.
He would never have read those lines.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Lol.. I swear....
Between this forum and Ufc undisputed 2010's... I'm not sure which one get the cake for being the most negative gaming forum on the net.
I would of tossed wow in there, but 30% of the time they have a constructive thread that just plain helps you out.
Bottom line.. all mmos suck now and they are a waste of time. It's all about money, always will be, the original mmos were only cool because of the "new" factor and if you don't like it.. go buy a basketball and go outside or join a debate club.
For once I agree with you, SWTOR is not immune to failure, a lot rides on the success of this game. Anybody that truely believes this game can not fail are not taking enough into consideration. But I think it's safe to say, BioWare is cappable of making a game that may do very well if what they have said (on whats in the game) is true.
They already have two succesful Star Wars games in roughly the same time period as this up and coming MMO; in fact I think sales of the two top 2 million boxes sold, I'm pretty sure a decent chunk of those will play because they like the two single player versions; and most likely won't have some baby fit about a story, or companion character etc.. They will probably enjoy having other people to play with. The whole time what will you be doing?? Throwing a fit because the game isn't perfect for you in your eyes? Guess what, you're the loser there because the people playing a game won't give a crap that you are upset about it.
And yes, you do need the herbs we are all smoking, maybe you'd chill a tad instead of keeping your blood pressure up.
"If I'd asked my customers what they wanted, they'd have said a faster horse." - Henry Ford
It's raining outside.
I am inclined to agree with the rest of this, though. Hope springs eternal. I haven't quite given on the genre.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
See you are thinking like all the people that played their single player games no doubt play MMO's. In one sense you maybe right, on the other, you maybe wrong and there are a lot of people out there that might play SPRPG games and never touch an MMO. I know plenty of just such gamers. Some just do not like the fact that they have to pay to play a game.
That would be my concern that if the game isn't as successful at first as they want and they pull another NGE.
No, people were disagreeing with your saying that the game would fail because of that it was Star Wars/George Lucas.
Now , be fair: hand over the herbs that you are smoking, because it smells even greater
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Thats the whole reason I keep checking... I really hope Swtor lives up to the hype and I'm also pleased that it's getting pushed back because bioware doesn't want to release a unfinished product.
That being said, I doubt it will fail.. but this being star wars and the most expensive game ever made... The whole mmo industry will take a massive hit (if) it fails to deliver.
I have total faith though and will just stick with my ps3 until it releases, as I'm completely burnt out on mmos after all the crappy ones that came out within the last 6 years.
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No..some of the posters were stating that the game will not fail because it is Star Wars. I stated my opinion on that flawed way of thinking.
1, that remains to be seen then doesn't it? As far as their witholding information I applaud them for it. I only care about what is revealed during an open preview event and release. Let them add and cut races or add and cut features without having to justify each step to eager players. In other words, let them release info that they know is solid and is in the game. So I don't see any reason to speculate on their possible failure and just take it as it comes.
2, Mythic also made DAoC? isn't that one of the most touted games of earlier games? And having access to one's experience doesn't mean that are handing the reigns over to mythic. It means that if they have certian problems, issues, questions, they can ask a group of people who have experience with creating an mmo and use them as a reference. Besides the fact, even given its issues, I liked warhammer so that sort of nulifies your point. I had a blast playing warhammer. So if I have a blast playing SWToR then kudos to them.
3, Maybe they have hired good people? besides their access to mythic do we have a list of every developer/artist who is working on SWToR? And again, Bioware is the one making this game. If you look at the released information regarding the game's core thrust and you know anyting about games then you will say "hmmm, sounds like a bioware game" not "sounds like one of mythic's games".
4, Yes, it does have their stamp all over it. And this to me is a good thing. So my point is that they are not entrenched in what an mmo should be what what one might be. Whether they succeed or not is yet to be seen.
5, again, see above. so what if they've made single player games? It's usually said that the game play of single player games is far better than game play in mmo's. So if they can imbue an mmo with that same game play then I say job well done.
6, I don't disagree whether Bioware makes a kajillon dollars either and I agree, it matters that the game is fun to play. It's more than pessimistic to start putting wet blankets on things that we haven't experienced and to say without any hands on knowledge that they have failed before they have released anything that can fail.
I don't care about what people/organizations say they are going to do. Ever. Don't care. What I care about is what they actually do. The world is strewn with grand announcements of one kind or another that state some sort of great project that never sees the light of day.
I will withold full judgment until I get a hands on experience. I'm not going to sit around wringing my hands at how bioware has never made an mmo or that they have mythic as an experienced group for reference.
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It's a reason to point out how ignorant some people are + try and pad my posts since they are low
Some may feel that way, but if BioWare sells half of what Dragon Age or Mass Effect sold on the PC, and retains a half of that number, then financially the game will still be sound. The game isn't guaranteed to do well... but it isn't guaranteed to fail like you believe it is... and it DEFINITELY isn't guaranteed to lose subscriptions in the long run because you think the movies were bad.
What informational threads?
I would love it if BioWare would show us the crafting, end game, and PvP to discuss.
Still waiting.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
Speak for yourself.