When was that last time you could go into global agenda or GTA4 and be with 150 other players in the same place, trading, conversing, dancing, just socializing in general? Seriously people keep saying its the same as a FPS, how many FPS games have you played with over 100 people at once? Not many, if you have at all, the technology is just now starting to get there.
Erm... Just starting to get there? WWIIOL, released 2001. Planetside, released 2003. We've had the technology for almost a decade now. Problem is most companies don't recognize it as a niche worth exploring. Besides, what matters isn't that there's 100 people in a district. You can't interact with most of those people anyway. What matters is the size of the conflict which can be up to 20v20. So even this "MMO" is smaller than most BF2142 servers on which I regularly play.
As for people talking about the repeatative nature of tha game. Uh, yeah, its a shooter. What did you expect? I've got close to 400 hours in on TF2 alone and I'll be the first to admit that it is repeatative. All shooters are. So stating the obvious like it is a negative shows a gross misunderstanding of the game type.
Sounds absolutely boring...think the way they are funding it is going to be a problem, but then I don't really care for FPS games either.
For those that enjoy this type of game, have fun. I still don't think it is a MMO, just a FPS with some multiplayer capabiliites.
Does it REALLY matter what its classified? It has some MMO elements. Its mostly action/shooter based yes. But arguing over what genre it fits in is about as useful as people arguing over what genre a band belongs in. If you like this sort of game, I don't see an issue with someone giving it a shot.
I didn't mean to come off sounding nasty. If that is how it came off, sorry, wasn't my intention.
When was that last time you could go into global agenda or GTA4 and be with 150 other players in the same place, trading, conversing, dancing, just socializing in general? Seriously people keep saying its the same as a FPS, how many FPS games have you played with over 100 people at once? Not many, if you have at all, the technology is just now starting to get there.
Erm... Just starting to get there? WWIIOL, released 2001. Planetside, released 2003. We've had the technology for almost a decade now. Problem is most companies don't recognize it as a niche worth exploring. Besides, what matters isn't that there's 100 people in a district. You can't interact with most of those people anyway. What matters is the size of the conflict which can be up to 20v20. So even this "MMO" is smaller than most BF2142 servers on which I regularly play.
As for people talking about the repeatative nature of tha game. Uh, yeah, its a shooter. What did you expect? I've got close to 400 hours in on TF2 alone and I'll be the first to admit that it is repeatative. All shooters are. So stating the obvious like it is a negative shows a gross misunderstanding of the game type.
I agree with you on the whole FPS's being repetitve. And being one that LOVES FPS games I too will admit this. The 20v20 is a little disappointing, but since me and a group of good friends are going to be playing this together we'll have fun none-the-less. We've been waiting for a game that fills this niche for a LONG time.
As far as the technology just getting there. I played WWII online for a bit. HORRIBLE. I even beta tested and played Planetside for a short time. I'd have to say, the technology has come a long way. But yes the ability to make a game like this has been around for quite some time. Developers just haven't poured enough time into making these games in the past. Which I find to be a shame, the genre could be sooo much farther ahead of where it is now.
I personally found the game boring and dull in every respect. But then again, even though I love the gameplay elements of GTA4, I found that game didn't appeal to me either. I guess I just grew out of cops and robbers and this sad "gangsta" crap our society is feeding every one these days.
That being said, minus the setting I still found this game nowhere near an MMORPG in any form and therefore I detest it even more.
FPS TPS it doesnt really matter. Personally I have been playing this for quite a few months now and there is something about it that makes me want to play, maybe its the friends i've made or the customisation or even the progression but I have pre ordered this game and intend to enjoy it.
The one thing that many seems to miss in regards to the subscription is that because of continued income there is going to be continued development and as a result continued content, I personally feel there is enough content now with the faction progression to keep the game enjoyable for the next 2-3 months by which point there will no doubt be extra districts, player housing (in social) more customisation options and different kinds of gameplay (they have shown an interest in turf wars for example).
In regards to the matchmaking, it can 'seem' to be broken however they are making changes into include what weapons players have being thrown into the calculations, in addition the way its set up requires the game to 'mature' so that players can 'settle' into thier average threat levels (which refelects a player skill level). At launch its going to be out of whack due to everyone being the same level but after a few weeks it will settle down and players of similar skill level will be matched together.
Its a good solid game with many possibilities to add other gameplay elements.
Yeah...This isn't a real MMOG there arn't Elves and fire balls. There isn't 100s of square miles of content with the next near player being a 20 minutes walk away. Seriously...Content? Non-existant. Its not an MMO if there isn't at least 90% of the world totally void of players. Jeez I mean seriously no fire balls? Actually...I know there are at least fireballs in this game...just nothing mystical about them.
Preez people...You all of a pre-concocted notion of what it takes to be a MMO. Which this game has everything. You level, you get better gear, you do quests and you socialize with other players. You participate with other players to complete a common goal to increase your level to get better gear. Man...That doesn't sound like a MMORPG at all.
Yeah...It might be a little shallow...but it meets all of the criteria to be even a RPG. Hell..most current MMOs don't allow more than 5 players ina group...is the 4 player limitation that big of a deal?
Game isn't any more shallow that World of Warcraft IMO. Only thing this games lacks comparatively is billions of miles of empty content and trillions of items you won't use anyway.
but if you really like FPS games, this is right up your alley. Since at it's core you're just shooting other players to complete a simple objective. (the whole point in ANY modern FPS game)
If you like to play shooters online, so much that you don't care if they lack a single-player story exploration type mode, then sure. And if you like them so much, they don't even need more than two maps. Even then, you might expect gameplay mechanics that are on par with the latest shooters, though, which apparently, isn't possible in an MMO. So you kinda have to like shooters so much, that you don't even mind if core elements like, say, shooting, are a bit weak. And, don't even get me started on how the driving compares.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Seems to me the only people that are making positive comments about this game are the people that never played this game. Its not that great. The character customization doesnt do anything revolutionary. You can tweak your face and body in a good bit of games and as for clothing, you just paint over preset clothes, big woop.
This game needs more than death match which is all it is. And thats not worth paying for beyond the retail price.
Heres a break down of what you do in the action district.Get a mission, go somewhere press F (open a lock, break a door down etc), go to another spot and press F (drop off) then mission over. You this over and over until the opposing faction interferes, then you kill them or be killed while the same missions over and over. Thats it. As a criminal you can mug people or drive into store windows and pick up stuff, but thats only fun for so long. Theres not much of a city to explore, the game feels weird too. It feels choppy and cheap. When you shoot someone, it doesnt feel like it does when playing other games.
I wouldnt play thing game even if it were free at this point. And I'm a huge fan of chracter customization, but not even that is good enough to keep me playing this game
The reasion you see so many negitive posts is becouse thoes posting are talking about the game in there head, and not what APB is, or was going to be. The rest of us ARE RESPECTING THE NDA.
The only people who are posting are thoes who do not respect the NDA or care about being removed from the beta. The rest of us are slient. So, meanwhile everyone who tried TAB targeting in the game are pissed off, and breaking the NDA and you get posts like yours.
Its like kicking a mute persion, becouse they cant talk back.
(its with in the NDA to state you are in the beta, but thats it)
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Verey interesting comments on this. It sounds interesting from someone who likes to play both FPS and MMORPG as myself.
The one thing that has always bored me about the FPS is the static feel of the maps not evolving much. This one ( I know the maps are not changing ) at least do not have the same old flag/goal/choke point to fight over.
In not looking at this as a MMO with FPS capability, or a FPS with MMO like capability. I like the hybrid attempts that companies are coming up with. This was seems like just as valid an effort as any! I may have to give it a try now.
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I couldn't be less interested in this game, but the customization aspects seem really innovative and exciting to me. I hope it influences future MMOs in that regard.
Originally posted by Mrbloodworth This article is not accurate, while the NDA is in place, I can't really comment, but the reviewer has many MANY things mixed up.
Since my so called NDA breaking post got deleted, I'll just say I agree with this post right here.
I had to laugh they commented on finding aiming as something they'll have to get used to! Clearly not a true Pc gamer and only used Pc for MMO, normal Pc gamers aiming like this is second nature! This is for the Pc fpser not the RPG auto target crowd like his trying to bend it ot.
This kind of control is second nature for pc gamers? Maybe for you, but not for me or anyone I know.
Im sorry...were u in a cave since 1999??
This type of gameplay is the common base for FPS games! Try to play games that aren´t MMO! U are going to get real surprised!
Wow how mature.
I was refering to aiming as that is what IamMMO was talking about. Do you do any research before commenting on things you know nothing about? It's a THIRD person shooter. So perhaps it's time for you to get out of your cave. U are going to get real surprised!
According to APB's own website the game is not yet in Open Beta. They clearly state that they will be "...entering Open Beta later in the year...."
The NDA is still in force. That includes even saying you are in the beta. Once the NDA is lifted the previous linked thread will be taken down and you will be allowed to post what you saw/did/etc.
Anyone violating this will have appropriate action taken against their account, whether it is broken regardless of intent. If you see a violating post report it and it will be actioned by a moderator as soon as possible. If you respond to the post you may get pulled into a retaliation or your own NDA violation.
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I don't understand why the NDA hasn't been lifted already, the game is to be released under a month from now, and the "open beta" will be in 2-3 days...
Also, how are they planning to keep the game alive? It's a MMO, which is a living game, with new content coming out all the time. What do they have to add to the game in the future? What content will we be seeing? More weapons, combat zones alone won't keep it going..
The first month of an MMO release is always the best , you and your friends all go out and buy the game, group up, and just have fun. Even if you only get a week's worth of time with your friends thats still an experiance your always going to have. Plus this game comes with 50 hours free, thats more than enough time for you to make a judgement call on whether its worth a monthly fee.
you pay for hour played ? are they fucking stupid or what ?
like you buy 50 hour ? lol ?
Think its because its different than regular MMOs. Not the sort of game where a lot of people are going to want to want to play all day every day. Its not progression based, and if you play it that way, maybe you wont be playing it very long. For many players, it might be better to just pay for a few hours, since you may not spend more than that amount of time in the action districts, and maybe you're the sort of player that mostly just enjoys designing things (clothes, cars, music, etc) in the social district, which is free.
Or, you can just pay the $10 a month for unlimited access. Still, $5 cheaper than any other monthly fee MMO.
It's actually a pretty cool payment system. Just too bad they fumbled the PR side of it so badly, by speculating, before it was finalized.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I had to laugh they commented on finding aiming as something they'll have to get used to! Clearly not a true Pc gamer and only used Pc for MMO, normal Pc gamers aiming like this is second nature! This is for the Pc fpser not the RPG auto target crowd like his trying to bend it ot.
This kind of control is second nature for pc gamers? Maybe for you, but not for me or anyone I know.
Im sorry...were u in a cave since 1999??
This type of gameplay is the common base for FPS games! Try to play games that aren´t MMO! U are going to get real surprised!
Wow how mature.
I was refering to aiming as that is what IamMMO was talking about. Do you do any research before commenting on things you know nothing about? It's a THIRD person shooter. So perhaps it's time for you to get out of your cave. U are going to get real surprised!
Im sorry but in your words I dont see nothing about Third Person games or MMO games, just "PC Gamers"!! And in PC Games this type of gameplay is common!!
Now if MMORPG contracts people that have little or less experience in PC Games and thinks that using " WASD" and using the mouse to shoot is "very odd"...well...Im sorry I have to laugh!!
Two things. If this game only feels like a third-person action shooter with multiplayer modes, an added subscription will cause it to flop. Second, if this game feels like any of the latest MMOs (i.e. the ones with the same ol' WoW formula ... go kill this, go kill that...), it will flop.
So, IMO, it doesn't have much of a chance no matter which direction they took (if they took either of the above). Now if the gameplay is new and unique, it may have a chance. Heavy customization alone won't sell it. An adult will get bored playing with dolls after a while (i.e. it's usually just a bonus). But if the gameplay feels unique and you actually feel like you're in a living, breathing world, it may stand a chance... even with a sub.
I guarantee that every reviewer that plays the game upon its release will give you the answer. You'll know what it is after a couple hours of gameplay. I just say hang tight and read a bunch of real reviews (from your favorite reviewers. Yes, they're out there) before forking over the cash. Impressions and previews will never allow you to see the whole picture, and people who claim they're in the beta aren't worth listening to either.
This type of gameplay is the common base for FPS games! Try to play games that aren´t MMO! U are going to get real surprised!
Wow how mature.
I was refering to aiming as that is what IamMMO was talking about. Do you do any research before commenting on things you know nothing about? It's a THIRD person shooter. So perhaps it's time for you to get out of your cave. U are going to get real surprised!
Im sorry but in your words I dont see nothing about Third Person games or MMO games, just "PC Gamers"!! And in PC Games this type of gameplay is common!!
Now if MMORPG contracts people that have little or less experience in PC Games and thinks that using " WASD" and using the mouse to shoot is "very odd"...well...Im sorry I have to laugh!!
That's because I was writing to someone who pretended to know what he was talking about, so it's fair to assume that he knows it's third person. Especially since it's fairly accessible information. The fact that you didn't know it's third person is an excuse to be mistaken, not an excuse to act childish.
I had to laugh they commented on finding aiming as something they'll have to get used to! Clearly not a true Pc gamer and only used Pc for MMO, normal Pc gamers aiming like this is second nature! This is for the Pc fpser not the RPG auto target crowd like his trying to bend it ot.
This kind of control is second nature for pc gamers? Maybe for you, but not for me or anyone I know.
It is for anyone who regularly plays PC action games, and APB appears to be as much an action game as it is a MMOG. I found it a little amusing too that she struggled so much to get the hang of using WASD controls, but of course not every MMO gamer plays action games, so that hurdle will be there for some players.
I have to agree, any seasoned PC gamer that has experience in FPS, should already have the aiming curve down, not all, but most. The is no other or better aim tool than Mouse and keyboard. I have been playing both console and PC since atari2600 and wolfenstien (the original) if you want to go back to comadore64 i was there too, and im good at both pc and Console, but there is no comparison, if you can FPS on a PC then the aiming is already naturally there. Like a habit you cant break. ya just do it.
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Erm... Just starting to get there? WWIIOL, released 2001. Planetside, released 2003. We've had the technology for almost a decade now. Problem is most companies don't recognize it as a niche worth exploring. Besides, what matters isn't that there's 100 people in a district. You can't interact with most of those people anyway. What matters is the size of the conflict which can be up to 20v20. So even this "MMO" is smaller than most BF2142 servers on which I regularly play.
As for people talking about the repeatative nature of tha game. Uh, yeah, its a shooter. What did you expect? I've got close to 400 hours in on TF2 alone and I'll be the first to admit that it is repeatative. All shooters are. So stating the obvious like it is a negative shows a gross misunderstanding of the game type.
Not just another pretty color.
Does it REALLY matter what its classified? It has some MMO elements. Its mostly action/shooter based yes. But arguing over what genre it fits in is about as useful as people arguing over what genre a band belongs in. If you like this sort of game, I don't see an issue with someone giving it a shot.
I didn't mean to come off sounding nasty. If that is how it came off, sorry, wasn't my intention.
I agree with you on the whole FPS's being repetitve. And being one that LOVES FPS games I too will admit this. The 20v20 is a little disappointing, but since me and a group of good friends are going to be playing this together we'll have fun none-the-less. We've been waiting for a game that fills this niche for a LONG time.
As far as the technology just getting there. I played WWII online for a bit. HORRIBLE. I even beta tested and played Planetside for a short time. I'd have to say, the technology has come a long way. But yes the ability to make a game like this has been around for quite some time. Developers just haven't poured enough time into making these games in the past. Which I find to be a shame, the genre could be sooo much farther ahead of where it is now.
So be a Enforcer and shoot them all in the face.
FPS TPS it doesnt really matter. Personally I have been playing this for quite a few months now and there is something about it that makes me want to play, maybe its the friends i've made or the customisation or even the progression but I have pre ordered this game and intend to enjoy it.
The one thing that many seems to miss in regards to the subscription is that because of continued income there is going to be continued development and as a result continued content, I personally feel there is enough content now with the faction progression to keep the game enjoyable for the next 2-3 months by which point there will no doubt be extra districts, player housing (in social) more customisation options and different kinds of gameplay (they have shown an interest in turf wars for example).
In regards to the matchmaking, it can 'seem' to be broken however they are making changes into include what weapons players have being thrown into the calculations, in addition the way its set up requires the game to 'mature' so that players can 'settle' into thier average threat levels (which refelects a player skill level). At launch its going to be out of whack due to everyone being the same level but after a few weeks it will settle down and players of similar skill level will be matched together.
Its a good solid game with many possibilities to add other gameplay elements.
Yeah...This isn't a real MMOG there arn't Elves and fire balls. There isn't 100s of square miles of content with the next near player being a 20 minutes walk away. Seriously...Content? Non-existant. Its not an MMO if there isn't at least 90% of the world totally void of players. Jeez I mean seriously no fire balls? Actually...I know there are at least fireballs in this game...just nothing mystical about them.
Preez people...You all of a pre-concocted notion of what it takes to be a MMO. Which this game has everything. You level, you get better gear, you do quests and you socialize with other players. You participate with other players to complete a common goal to increase your level to get better gear. Man...That doesn't sound like a MMORPG at all.
Yeah...It might be a little shallow...but it meets all of the criteria to be even a RPG. Hell..most current MMOs don't allow more than 5 players ina group...is the 4 player limitation that big of a deal?
Game isn't any more shallow that World of Warcraft IMO. Only thing this games lacks comparatively is billions of miles of empty content and trillions of items you won't use anyway.
you get more out of reading the comments than the half ass wanabee (p)review from Angie Webb.
Sounds like a Kiddy "HipHop" my *** is bigger than yours game...
If you like to play shooters online, so much that you don't care if they lack a single-player story exploration type mode, then sure. And if you like them so much, they don't even need more than two maps. Even then, you might expect gameplay mechanics that are on par with the latest shooters, though, which apparently, isn't possible in an MMO. So you kinda have to like shooters so much, that you don't even mind if core elements like, say, shooting, are a bit weak. And, don't even get me started on how the driving compares.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
The reasion you see so many negitive posts is becouse thoes posting are talking about the game in there head, and not what APB is, or was going to be. The rest of us ARE RESPECTING THE NDA.
The only people who are posting are thoes who do not respect the NDA or care about being removed from the beta. The rest of us are slient. So, meanwhile everyone who tried TAB targeting in the game are pissed off, and breaking the NDA and you get posts like yours.
Its like kicking a mute persion, becouse they cant talk back.
(its with in the NDA to state you are in the beta, but thats it)
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Very interesting article-thanks! After reading it, I think I'll pass on this game.
Verey interesting comments on this. It sounds interesting from someone who likes to play both FPS and MMORPG as myself.
The one thing that has always bored me about the FPS is the static feel of the maps not evolving much. This one ( I know the maps are not changing ) at least do not have the same old flag/goal/choke point to fight over.
In not looking at this as a MMO with FPS capability, or a FPS with MMO like capability. I like the hybrid attempts that companies are coming up with. This was seems like just as valid an effort as any! I may have to give it a try now.
Say hello, To the things you've left behind. They are more a part of your life now that you can't touch them.
I couldn't be less interested in this game, but the customization aspects seem really innovative and exciting to me. I hope it influences future MMOs in that regard.
Since my so called NDA breaking post got deleted, I'll just say I agree with this post right here.
Wow how mature.
I was refering to aiming as that is what IamMMO was talking about. Do you do any research before commenting on things you know nothing about? It's a THIRD person shooter. So perhaps it's time for you to get out of your cave. U are going to get real surprised!
Folks,
According to APB's own website the game is not yet in Open Beta. They clearly state that they will be "...entering Open Beta later in the year...."
The NDA is still in force. That includes even saying you are in the beta. Once the NDA is lifted the previous linked thread will be taken down and you will be allowed to post what you saw/did/etc.
Anyone violating this will have appropriate action taken against their account, whether it is broken regardless of intent. If you see a violating post report it and it will be actioned by a moderator as soon as possible. If you respond to the post you may get pulled into a retaliation or your own NDA violation.
Cheers.
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I don't understand why the NDA hasn't been lifted already, the game is to be released under a month from now, and the "open beta" will be in 2-3 days...
Also, how are they planning to keep the game alive? It's a MMO, which is a living game, with new content coming out all the time. What do they have to add to the game in the future? What content will we be seeing? More weapons, combat zones alone won't keep it going..
You described every "hardcore" pvp game, the hiphop reference is irrelevant
The first month of an MMO release is always the best , you and your friends all go out and buy the game, group up, and just have fun. Even if you only get a week's worth of time with your friends thats still an experiance your always going to have. Plus this game comes with 50 hours free, thats more than enough time for you to make a judgement call on whether its worth a monthly fee.
You can buy hours of play time or a month like in other subs game...
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Think its because its different than regular MMOs. Not the sort of game where a lot of people are going to want to want to play all day every day. Its not progression based, and if you play it that way, maybe you wont be playing it very long. For many players, it might be better to just pay for a few hours, since you may not spend more than that amount of time in the action districts, and maybe you're the sort of player that mostly just enjoys designing things (clothes, cars, music, etc) in the social district, which is free.
Or, you can just pay the $10 a month for unlimited access. Still, $5 cheaper than any other monthly fee MMO.
It's actually a pretty cool payment system. Just too bad they fumbled the PR side of it so badly, by speculating, before it was finalized.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Im sorry but in your words I dont see nothing about Third Person games or MMO games, just "PC Gamers"!! And in PC Games this type of gameplay is common!!
Now if MMORPG contracts people that have little or less experience in PC Games and thinks that using " WASD" and using the mouse to shoot is "very odd"...well...Im sorry I have to laugh!!
Two things. If this game only feels like a third-person action shooter with multiplayer modes, an added subscription will cause it to flop. Second, if this game feels like any of the latest MMOs (i.e. the ones with the same ol' WoW formula ... go kill this, go kill that...), it will flop.
So, IMO, it doesn't have much of a chance no matter which direction they took (if they took either of the above). Now if the gameplay is new and unique, it may have a chance. Heavy customization alone won't sell it. An adult will get bored playing with dolls after a while (i.e. it's usually just a bonus). But if the gameplay feels unique and you actually feel like you're in a living, breathing world, it may stand a chance... even with a sub.
I guarantee that every reviewer that plays the game upon its release will give you the answer. You'll know what it is after a couple hours of gameplay. I just say hang tight and read a bunch of real reviews (from your favorite reviewers. Yes, they're out there) before forking over the cash. Impressions and previews will never allow you to see the whole picture, and people who claim they're in the beta aren't worth listening to either.
That's because I was writing to someone who pretended to know what he was talking about, so it's fair to assume that he knows it's third person. Especially since it's fairly accessible information. The fact that you didn't know it's third person is an excuse to be mistaken, not an excuse to act childish.
But of course, yes, WASD is second nature.
I have to agree, any seasoned PC gamer that has experience in FPS, should already have the aiming curve down, not all, but most. The is no other or better aim tool than Mouse and keyboard. I have been playing both console and PC since atari2600 and wolfenstien (the original) if you want to go back to comadore64 i was there too, and im good at both pc and Console, but there is no comparison, if you can FPS on a PC then the aiming is already naturally there. Like a habit you cant break. ya just do it.