I agree that a 3rd faction is a big missed opportunity. Doesn't make or break a game though.
When the game is based around war between the factions it can, and often does, break the game. Especially if any element of PvP is part of the core design (and I think we can safely assume this is the case with this game.
I agree that a 3rd faction is a big missed opportunity. Doesn't make or break a game though.
When the game is based around war between the factions it can, and often does, break the game. Especially if any element of PvP is part of the core design (and I think we can safely assume this is the case with this game.
Nothing about the # of factions makes or breaks a game it's how the developers execute it.
Warhammer... and Warhammer... are in the same universe.
Look at the lore.
Look at the races.
Look at the lore.
No they are not. Sorry but you are wrong. They have two totally different lore sets and are two totally stand alone concepts that happen to have some of the same factors (orcs, elves, chaos). The lore 100% does not support your theory.
I honestly suggest you look at the lore, don't just read the heading of a wiki page.
Lol, because I mean it is totally a coincidence that Orks use WAAAAAAGH in both.
Correct. Some of the races have very similar characteristics. Warhammer orcs are warhammer orcs. I feel that you don't really know anything about the lore of either game. If you did there would be no argument. I don't really have to use opinion or point out certain similarities. There are great swathes of lore written by the people who designed the original games.
It's idiots like you that turn people away from warhammer. Get the banana out of your ass and relax ya f***** nerd.
Lolumad.
I am sorry that I have been entirely justified with what I have been saying. Don't claim you know something when clearly your facts don't support it.
I stated a point that you replied to with: " Name them what? Good/Evil? "
You made no point here other than to discourage creativity. You're an angry, idiotic, warhammer fanboy/nerd who needs to pull your head out of your ass.
The only here that's mad is you, for getting so defensive over your nerd fantasy. Grow a pair/get laid.
Well we all know that you have run out of points.
I am not discouraging creativity when it is based around the same universe just different time periods.
Warhammer... and Warhammer... are in the same universe.
Look at the lore.
Look at the races.
Look at the lore.
No they are not. Sorry but you are wrong. They have two totally different lore sets and are two totally stand alone concepts that happen to have some of the same factors (orcs, elves, chaos). The lore 100% does not support your theory.
I honestly suggest you look at the lore, don't just read the heading of a wiki page.
Lol, because I mean it is totally a coincidence that Orks use WAAAAAAGH in both.
Correct. Some of the races have very similar characteristics. Warhammer orcs are warhammer orcs. I feel that you don't really know anything about the lore of either game. If you did there would be no argument. I don't really have to use opinion or point out certain similarities. There are great swathes of lore written by the people who designed the original games.
They are both based in the same universe whether one is justifiable or not. (Justifiable as in the original minds behind the Warhammer series agree'd or not.) Mythics full intentions were to replicate the Warhammer universe.
Warhammer... and Warhammer... are in the same universe.
Look at the lore.
Look at the races.
Look at the lore.
No they are not. Sorry but you are wrong. They have two totally different lore sets and are two totally stand alone concepts that happen to have some of the same factors (orcs, elves, chaos). The lore 100% does not support your theory.
I honestly suggest you look at the lore, don't just read the heading of a wiki page.
Lol, because I mean it is totally a coincidence that Orks use WAAAAAAGH in both.
The Warhammer FB world is a world in the same universe as the WH 40k setting, it was originally hidden behind a severe warpstorm in the original setup by GW. But recently GW stated they are no longer the same universe, even with several crossovers in stories.
Back on the actual Lore, any alliances in 40k would be completely against lore. I do not see THQ making this serious mistake; instead I think they simply worded it in a terrible way. I could of course be wrong, and they may take the simple and erroneous route, but I'm hoping that they will follow the lore very closely and aim towards 3+ factions.
Warhammer... and Warhammer... are in the same universe.
Look at the lore.
Look at the races.
Look at the lore.
No they are not. Sorry but you are wrong. They have two totally different lore sets and are two totally stand alone concepts that happen to have some of the same factors (orcs, elves, chaos). The lore 100% does not support your theory.
I honestly suggest you look at the lore, don't just read the heading of a wiki page.
Lol, because I mean it is totally a coincidence that Orks use WAAAAAAGH in both.
Correct. Some of the races have very similar characteristics. Warhammer orcs are warhammer orcs. I feel that you don't really know anything about the lore of either game. If you did there would be no argument. I don't really have to use opinion or point out certain similarities. There are great swathes of lore written by the people who designed the original games.
They are both based in the same universe whether one is justifiable or not. (Justifiable as in the original minds behind the Warhammer series agree'd or not.) Mythics full intentions were to replicate the Warhammer universe.
Warhammer Fantasy Battle & Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay are one universe, basically one game (just different aspects).
Warhammer 40k is a 100% totally different universe.
I think you are trying to argue that the WFB world is maybe just some world in the W40K universe.
This is wrong. Once again if you played either one this would be well known to you and there would be no argument. So either have fun in your ignorance (it's bliss right) or go and read something and educate yourself.
Grouping the different races into only 2 "factions" is utter fail (to use the common internet term). It made no sense with WAR, and it makes no sense here. Another watered-down, failed attempt at adapting an incredibly rich intellectual property. I am disappointed, but then again, I never expected them to be able to pull this off.
Warhammer... and Warhammer... are in the same universe.
Look at the lore.
Look at the races.
Look at the lore.
No they are not. Sorry but you are wrong. They have two totally different lore sets and are two totally stand alone concepts that happen to have some of the same factors (orcs, elves, chaos). The lore 100% does not support your theory.
I honestly suggest you look at the lore, don't just read the heading of a wiki page.
Lol, because I mean it is totally a coincidence that Orks use WAAAAAAGH in both.
The Warhammer FB world is a world in the same universe as the WH 40k setting, it was originally hidden behind a severe warpstorm in the original setup by GW. But recently GW stated they are no longer the same universe, even with several crossovers in stories.
Back on the actual Lore, any alliances in 40k would be completely against lore. I do not see THQ making this serious mistake; instead I think they simply worded it in a terrible way. I could of course be wrong, and they may take the simple and erroneous route, but I'm hoping that they will follow the lore very closely and aim towards 3+ factions.
Here's hopin.
I must agree with what you are saying. The fact that my arguement has been watered down from the number of factions down to the fact they are in the same universe is beyond me but anyways...
Back to the original point...
When making an MMO you have to consider the fact that real people will be playing this game and they wont have scripted battles and what have you. You cannot follow the EXACT lore and make a fully functional MMORPG with any aspects of PvP.
In the long run we cannot make a full opinion on what is going on lore wise until more is released.
Warhammer... and Warhammer... are in the same universe.
Look at the lore.
Look at the races.
Look at the lore.
No they are not. Sorry but you are wrong. They have two totally different lore sets and are two totally stand alone concepts that happen to have some of the same factors (orcs, elves, chaos). The lore 100% does not support your theory.
I honestly suggest you look at the lore, don't just read the heading of a wiki page.
Lol, because I mean it is totally a coincidence that Orks use WAAAAAAGH in both.
Correct. Some of the races have very similar characteristics. Warhammer orcs are warhammer orcs. I feel that you don't really know anything about the lore of either game. If you did there would be no argument. I don't really have to use opinion or point out certain similarities. There are great swathes of lore written by the people who designed the original games.
They are both based in the same universe whether one is justifiable or not. (Justifiable as in the original minds behind the Warhammer series agree'd or not.) Mythics full intentions were to replicate the Warhammer universe.
Warhammer Fantasy Battle & Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay are one universe, basically one game (just different aspects).
Warhammer 40k is a 100% totally different universe.
I think you are trying to argue that the WFB world is maybe just some world in the W40K universe.
This is wrong. Once again if you played either one this would be well known to you and there would be no argument. So either have fun in your ignorance (it's bliss right) or go and read something and educate yourself.
Games Workshop cleared this debate up a LONG time ago. Yes, 40k is Warhammer Fantasy "in the future", but they DO NOT share a storyline. In other words, the Eldar are not just the Elves 40,000 years in the future. They are a separate race, inspired by the Elves from Warhammer Fantasy. End of story.
Seriously guys, I thought the reveal footage was INCREDIBLE for what is possibly pre-alpha gameplay...Yet you guys think the game will automatically fail because it has 2 factions instead of 3? Even if it finally delivers on some amazing competitive PvP much like the trailer showed? How would 3 factions even work in WH40k? IMO 2 factions is more balanced and just because they chose 2 instead of 3 does not automatically make it a bad game...I seriously don't see the logic in that. DAOC was a damn good game, but that doesen't mean if a PvP or RvR game doesn't use DAOCS set up, it's automatically trash.
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Well to play completly to Lore you would end up with more than 3 factions thus running the risk of spreading your player base to thin. This is just one of the problems with translating certain IP's into MMO's. Seriously evan with 3 player factions there will be alliances that don't make alot of sence to the lore purists especially if they put all the races/armies in the game at some point. Sure 3 or more factions sound like a good idea but what happens when to survive say the Eldar and Chaos have to team up with each other. Not really fitting with the established lore either but a distinct posability when you throw the option to the internet. Mind you I havn't played the TT in a long while I think the last time Necrons were just being announced so what the heck do I know.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
Nice trailer, but watching I get the impression, it will play alot like Planetside or a Battlefield2140 type game of some sort, but we will have to wait and see.
I did like the marine being squashed by the warhound!
The sheer complaxity of trying to ballance a game that has a different faction for each race is mind boggling. 40k has between 13 and 16 different armies(read factions) not including all the separate groups wihtin the same structure(marine for example). So to have every playable race be its own faction would entail you having horribly lopsided battles, because people would gravitiate towards the armies they play in table top, assuming the table top players actualy play this game.
Assuming they actually made a faction for each armie ther ewould be a minimum of 4 factions for marines alone based on released armies, not counting white dwarf lists:
Ultramarines
Blood angels
Dark angels
Space wolves
Black Templars
For Chaos there would be 2 factions
Chaois marines
Chaos Daemons
For eldar there would be at least 2 factions:
craftworld(4)
non-craftworld(exodite)
For imperial guard/ armies of the imperium
imperial guard(catachans etc)
sisters of battle
Daemon hunters
For orks there are breakdowns by clan like the bloddy sunz, speedfreeks atc
Necrons(cant see them s a playable race)
a faction for each of teh groups following a different C'Tann lord like the death bringer or teh deciever
Tyranids( again not seeing them as playable)
Tau
the fire warriors or the ethereials
the total is approxomatly 22 factions in this game. Its no wonder they stuck them into 2 categories.
The reason the 2 factions bother me is because (for instance) Chaos Space Marines and Orks would NEVER fight along side one another. I use those examples, because I can't imagine them leaving either of those out (because of their popularity), and there's no way they will be on opposite sides. So that leaves the inevitability that Chaos and Orks will be in the same faction, and that is a gross twisting of the lore. Hell, almost NONE of the factions in WH40k would ever be in the same room with each other, let alone team up against a common enemy. The only races that I can think of that have ever joined forces are the Imperium and the Eldar, and this is extremely rare in the lore. I just don't understand why they pay big bucks to obtain a license like this, and then shit all over it. They are alienating the people who they are trying to appeal to, and if they don't care, then why did they bother using the license in the first place? Why not just make up an original universe with 2 factions, instead of taking one that already exists, and bending it over backwards to fit?
Eldar have worked with the SM on rare occassion time and again when CHAOS is involved but have also ala DoW 2 pushed the Orks towards the SM to keep them busy while they fought the Tyranids.
Eldar have this HIGH sense of entitlement they view themselves as the most ancient and knowledgeable race and nobody else in the entire universe is capable of handling the endless hunger or the deathless march.
Now this being said it's the reason Eldar would be with the Order forces
You would NEVER!!! see IG, SM, Mechanicus, Eldar, and Tau in the same room...never.
Same goes with the dark forces
Dark Eldar follow around the Orks and Chaos but only because they can gather up the souls from their killings
on a personal level Dark Eldar would rather have Chaos souls and totally decimate the Orks rather than be buddy buddy with them.
The order forces would create tenuous alliances in order to stop the Dark forces but the Dark Forces would really only push and lead each other into situations beneficial to them.
But really Eldar and IG do NOT get along, Tau and IG are on an even WORSE relationship level since Tau have lots of Imperium in their lower forces.
I'll reserve judgement until the Vigil releases more information about the factions, races and what not. But calling a game terrible or DOA when the only thing being released is some sample gameplay footage and very vague wording on a teaser website is absurd.
As long as the game has more action type gameplay and less 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 type of MMO gameplay sign me up. TOR should tide me over nicely until this game comes up.
Simple as this........If its a cool game with one faction.....right on, Im happy.
I just think that you can do so much more when you have more than two and it takes PVP to the next level.
That being said, I refuse to swing from any developers danglers until the game is released. Ive been let down far too often.
A game as early along as this, we should be critiqueing what it lacks from what they tell us. We should be judging every little piece of info they put out there, because ultimately they are building this game for us hmmmm 49.99 initial price + 14.99 x12 =229.87, thats alot of my money they are going to have to prove this game is worth.
So should we A. bow down and praise their images as the second coming
or should we B. let our voices be heard, and at the very least if they ignore us and the game fails we can say "told you so" and that would be valuable data for future developers hmmmm, which choice is better for the industry? Butt kissing, or actual criticism of what info is available?
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Meh,2 factions apparently,see it doesn't make sense fluff wise,they're gonna put orks in the destruction side but orks just wanna fight they could easily be manipulated by the eldar like they have been many times and of course eldar are gonna be put in the order side.
What about tyranids?They're gonna put them as pve enemies exclusively or is the hive mind gonna start talking to the orks and have a waaagh party with them?
Games Workshop cleared this debate up a LONG time ago. Yes, 40k is Warhammer Fantasy "in the future", but they DO NOT share a storyline. In other words, the Eldar are not just the Elves 40,000 years in the future. They are a separate race, inspired by the Elves from Warhammer Fantasy. End of story.
I know the chances of believing someone else on an internet forum are pretty slim but both the Black Library and Games Workshop state that Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are separate and distinct universes, always have been, always will be.
I honestly don't know where you people are getting this idea that they are in the same universe but on a different timeline and that GW recently changed their mind. I know it's a small point but it is better to go into things with an informed and correct view.
Games Workshop cleared this debate up a LONG time ago. Yes, 40k is Warhammer Fantasy "in the future", but they DO NOT share a storyline. In other words, the Eldar are not just the Elves 40,000 years in the future. They are a separate race, inspired by the Elves from Warhammer Fantasy. End of story.
I know the chances of believing someone else on an internet forum are pretty slim but both the Black Library and Games Workshop state that Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are separate and distinct universes, always have been, always will be.
I honestly don't know where you people are getting this idea that they are in the same universe but on a different timeline and that GW recently changed their mind. I know it's a small point but it is better to go into things with an informed and correct view.
Games Workshop cleared this debate up a LONG time ago. Yes, 40k is Warhammer Fantasy "in the future", but they DO NOT share a storyline. In other words, the Eldar are not just the Elves 40,000 years in the future. They are a separate race, inspired by the Elves from Warhammer Fantasy. End of story.
I know the chances of believing someone else on an internet forum are pretty slim but both the Black Library and Games Workshop state that Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are separate and distinct universes, always have been, always will be.
I honestly don't know where you people are getting this idea that they are in the same universe but on a different timeline and that GW recently changed their mind. I know it's a small point but it is better to go into things with an informed and correct view.
That's exactly what I said. What is your point?
No it is not what you said and no 40K is not just Warhammer Fantasy in the future. They are two separate universes - both game and lore. The WFB world is not set in the same universe as 40K, just on a different timeline. Sorry if that's confusing, I can't see how it could be any clearer.
There was never a time where the WFB world was realised as a planet in the 40K universe hidden by a warpstorm. Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are distinct entities with different lore. Yes they both have Warhammer in the title but that is for branding.
Sorry I think the point is becoming laboured though. I don't suppose it matters to most. Now, two factions only, hmmm...
Games Workshop cleared this debate up a LONG time ago. Yes, 40k is Warhammer Fantasy "in the future", but they DO NOT share a storyline. In other words, the Eldar are not just the Elves 40,000 years in the future. They are a separate race, inspired by the Elves from Warhammer Fantasy. End of story.
I know the chances of believing someone else on an internet forum are pretty slim but both the Black Library and Games Workshop state that Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are separate and distinct universes, always have been, always will be.
I honestly don't know where you people are getting this idea that they are in the same universe but on a different timeline and that GW recently changed their mind. I know it's a small point but it is better to go into things with an informed and correct view.
That's exactly what I said. What is your point?
No it is not what you said and no 40K is not just Warhammer Fantasy in the future. They are two separate universes - both game and lore. The WFB world is not set in the same universe as 40K, just on a different timeline. Sorry if that's confusing, I can't see how it could be any clearer.
There was never a time where the WFB world was realised as a planet in the 40K universe hidden by a warpstorm. Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are distinct entities with different lore. Yes they both have Warhammer in the title but that is for branding.
Sorry I think the point is becoming laboured though. I don't suppose it matters to most. Now, two factions only, hmmm...
You misunderstood me. When I said that 40k was Warhammer Fantasy in the future, I meant that 40k was completely inspired in EVERY way by Warhammer Fantasy. However, this is where the relationship ends. I did not mean that they share a storyline, or that any events/people/places occur in the same timeline or universe. I thought that was pretty clear in my initial post.
I was a WHFB player when 40k came out, I am well aware of their relationship (or lack thereof).
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Finally someone reasonable with their distrubution of opinion.
When the game is based around war between the factions it can, and often does, break the game. Especially if any element of PvP is part of the core design (and I think we can safely assume this is the case with this game.
Nothing about the # of factions makes or breaks a game it's how the developers execute it.
Correct. Some of the races have very similar characteristics. Warhammer orcs are warhammer orcs. I feel that you don't really know anything about the lore of either game. If you did there would be no argument. I don't really have to use opinion or point out certain similarities. There are great swathes of lore written by the people who designed the original games.
Well we all know that you have run out of points.
I am not discouraging creativity when it is based around the same universe just different time periods.
They are both based in the same universe whether one is justifiable or not. (Justifiable as in the original minds behind the Warhammer series agree'd or not.) Mythics full intentions were to replicate the Warhammer universe.
The Warhammer FB world is a world in the same universe as the WH 40k setting, it was originally hidden behind a severe warpstorm in the original setup by GW. But recently GW stated they are no longer the same universe, even with several crossovers in stories.
Back on the actual Lore, any alliances in 40k would be completely against lore. I do not see THQ making this serious mistake; instead I think they simply worded it in a terrible way. I could of course be wrong, and they may take the simple and erroneous route, but I'm hoping that they will follow the lore very closely and aim towards 3+ factions.
Here's hopin.
Warhammer Fantasy Battle & Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay are one universe, basically one game (just different aspects).
Warhammer 40k is a 100% totally different universe.
I think you are trying to argue that the WFB world is maybe just some world in the W40K universe.
This is wrong. Once again if you played either one this would be well known to you and there would be no argument. So either have fun in your ignorance (it's bliss right) or go and read something and educate yourself.
Grouping the different races into only 2 "factions" is utter fail (to use the common internet term). It made no sense with WAR, and it makes no sense here. Another watered-down, failed attempt at adapting an incredibly rich intellectual property. I am disappointed, but then again, I never expected them to be able to pull this off.
I must agree with what you are saying. The fact that my arguement has been watered down from the number of factions down to the fact they are in the same universe is beyond me but anyways...
Back to the original point...
When making an MMO you have to consider the fact that real people will be playing this game and they wont have scripted battles and what have you. You cannot follow the EXACT lore and make a fully functional MMORPG with any aspects of PvP.
In the long run we cannot make a full opinion on what is going on lore wise until more is released.
Games Workshop cleared this debate up a LONG time ago. Yes, 40k is Warhammer Fantasy "in the future", but they DO NOT share a storyline. In other words, the Eldar are not just the Elves 40,000 years in the future. They are a separate race, inspired by the Elves from Warhammer Fantasy. End of story.
Seriously guys, I thought the reveal footage was INCREDIBLE for what is possibly pre-alpha gameplay...Yet you guys think the game will automatically fail because it has 2 factions instead of 3? Even if it finally delivers on some amazing competitive PvP much like the trailer showed? How would 3 factions even work in WH40k? IMO 2 factions is more balanced and just because they chose 2 instead of 3 does not automatically make it a bad game...I seriously don't see the logic in that. DAOC was a damn good game, but that doesen't mean if a PvP or RvR game doesn't use DAOCS set up, it's automatically trash.
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Well to play completly to Lore you would end up with more than 3 factions thus running the risk of spreading your player base to thin. This is just one of the problems with translating certain IP's into MMO's. Seriously evan with 3 player factions there will be alliances that don't make alot of sence to the lore purists especially if they put all the races/armies in the game at some point. Sure 3 or more factions sound like a good idea but what happens when to survive say the Eldar and Chaos have to team up with each other. Not really fitting with the established lore either but a distinct posability when you throw the option to the internet. Mind you I havn't played the TT in a long while I think the last time Necrons were just being announced so what the heck do I know.
The lesser of two evils is still evil.
There is nothing more dangerous than a true believer.
Nice trailer, but watching I get the impression, it will play alot like Planetside or a Battlefield2140 type game of some sort, but we will have to wait and see.
I did like the marine being squashed by the warhound!
The sheer complaxity of trying to ballance a game that has a different faction for each race is mind boggling. 40k has between 13 and 16 different armies(read factions) not including all the separate groups wihtin the same structure(marine for example). So to have every playable race be its own faction would entail you having horribly lopsided battles, because people would gravitiate towards the armies they play in table top, assuming the table top players actualy play this game.
Assuming they actually made a faction for each armie ther ewould be a minimum of 4 factions for marines alone based on released armies, not counting white dwarf lists:
Ultramarines
Blood angels
Dark angels
Space wolves
Black Templars
For Chaos there would be 2 factions
Chaois marines
Chaos Daemons
For eldar there would be at least 2 factions:
craftworld(4)
non-craftworld(exodite)
For imperial guard/ armies of the imperium
imperial guard(catachans etc)
sisters of battle
Daemon hunters
For orks there are breakdowns by clan like the bloddy sunz, speedfreeks atc
Necrons(cant see them s a playable race)
a faction for each of teh groups following a different C'Tann lord like the death bringer or teh deciever
Tyranids( again not seeing them as playable)
Tau
the fire warriors or the ethereials
the total is approxomatly 22 factions in this game. Its no wonder they stuck them into 2 categories.
The reason the 2 factions bother me is because (for instance) Chaos Space Marines and Orks would NEVER fight along side one another. I use those examples, because I can't imagine them leaving either of those out (because of their popularity), and there's no way they will be on opposite sides. So that leaves the inevitability that Chaos and Orks will be in the same faction, and that is a gross twisting of the lore. Hell, almost NONE of the factions in WH40k would ever be in the same room with each other, let alone team up against a common enemy. The only races that I can think of that have ever joined forces are the Imperium and the Eldar, and this is extremely rare in the lore. I just don't understand why they pay big bucks to obtain a license like this, and then shit all over it. They are alienating the people who they are trying to appeal to, and if they don't care, then why did they bother using the license in the first place? Why not just make up an original universe with 2 factions, instead of taking one that already exists, and bending it over backwards to fit?
Eldar have worked with the SM on rare occassion time and again when CHAOS is involved but have also ala DoW 2 pushed the Orks towards the SM to keep them busy while they fought the Tyranids.
Eldar have this HIGH sense of entitlement they view themselves as the most ancient and knowledgeable race and nobody else in the entire universe is capable of handling the endless hunger or the deathless march.
Now this being said it's the reason Eldar would be with the Order forces
You would NEVER!!! see IG, SM, Mechanicus, Eldar, and Tau in the same room...never.
Same goes with the dark forces
Dark Eldar follow around the Orks and Chaos but only because they can gather up the souls from their killings
on a personal level Dark Eldar would rather have Chaos souls and totally decimate the Orks rather than be buddy buddy with them.
The order forces would create tenuous alliances in order to stop the Dark forces but the Dark Forces would really only push and lead each other into situations beneficial to them.
But really Eldar and IG do NOT get along, Tau and IG are on an even WORSE relationship level since Tau have lots of Imperium in their lower forces.
I'll reserve judgement until the Vigil releases more information about the factions, races and what not. But calling a game terrible or DOA when the only thing being released is some sample gameplay footage and very vague wording on a teaser website is absurd.
As long as the game has more action type gameplay and less 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 type of MMO gameplay sign me up. TOR should tide me over nicely until this game comes up.
Simple as this........If its a cool game with one faction.....right on, Im happy.
I just think that you can do so much more when you have more than two and it takes PVP to the next level.
That being said, I refuse to swing from any developers danglers until the game is released. Ive been let down far too often.
A game as early along as this, we should be critiqueing what it lacks from what they tell us. We should be judging every little piece of info they put out there, because ultimately they are building this game for us hmmmm 49.99 initial price + 14.99 x12 =229.87, thats alot of my money they are going to have to prove this game is worth.
So should we A. bow down and praise their images as the second coming
or should we B. let our voices be heard, and at the very least if they ignore us and the game fails we can say "told you so" and that would be valuable data for future developers hmmmm, which choice is better for the industry? Butt kissing, or actual criticism of what info is available?
To the caterpillar it is the end of the world, to the master, it is a butterfly.
Considering THQ does a decent job of listening to feedback on things it'd be a good chance to sway them to develop the IP in a good way.
They never went wrong with DoW 1 (til SS when the airplanes came about from Iron Lore *stab stab stabbity stab*)
So far DoW 2 is shaping up nicely though Chaos Rising shoulda been a DLC instead of another box...
in DoW 2 you can clearly see the Visuals they're going for in War40k:DMO cause they're downright the same.
But really if they're making the IP into an MMO It needs to be MASSIVE MULTI and Online
They got the online part.
Hopefully the planets in the system are MASSIVE and we have more than 4 Races to choose from.
Meh,2 factions apparently,see it doesn't make sense fluff wise,they're gonna put orks in the destruction side but orks just wanna fight they could easily be manipulated by the eldar like they have been many times and of course eldar are gonna be put in the order side.
What about tyranids?They're gonna put them as pve enemies exclusively or is the hive mind gonna start talking to the orks and have a waaagh party with them?
I know the chances of believing someone else on an internet forum are pretty slim but both the Black Library and Games Workshop state that Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are separate and distinct universes, always have been, always will be.
I honestly don't know where you people are getting this idea that they are in the same universe but on a different timeline and that GW recently changed their mind. I know it's a small point but it is better to go into things with an informed and correct view.
That's exactly what I said. What is your point?
No it is not what you said and no 40K is not just Warhammer Fantasy in the future. They are two separate universes - both game and lore. The WFB world is not set in the same universe as 40K, just on a different timeline. Sorry if that's confusing, I can't see how it could be any clearer.
There was never a time where the WFB world was realised as a planet in the 40K universe hidden by a warpstorm. Warhammer and Warhammer 40K are distinct entities with different lore. Yes they both have Warhammer in the title but that is for branding.
Sorry I think the point is becoming laboured though. I don't suppose it matters to most. Now, two factions only, hmmm...
You misunderstood me. When I said that 40k was Warhammer Fantasy in the future, I meant that 40k was completely inspired in EVERY way by Warhammer Fantasy. However, this is where the relationship ends. I did not mean that they share a storyline, or that any events/people/places occur in the same timeline or universe. I thought that was pretty clear in my initial post.
I was a WHFB player when 40k came out, I am well aware of their relationship (or lack thereof).