Maybe if we stop trying to fix all the faulty humans and letting them pass on their faulty genetic seed, we can get back to our regularly scheduled evolution.
That's the consequences of sin. I'm sure you'd have to kill off 99% of the world's population to even get back to having a human being with little physical defects. And I can assure you I wouldn't be in that 1% that would live theoretically.
Who are we really to decide?
Her life could quite possibly be in our hands - else someone else's of course. Someone needs to make a decision.
I agree that everyone should be able to choose whether they'd want to die or live. If she has already made out some sort of will saying that she'd rather die in a situation like this, then it's already settled. She is the one who decides it, but if she can't - we must.
So far I've seen nothing that would urge me to protest the removing of her feeding tube. If she has not made a decision to live or to die, then I would say that we should let her die. In fact, I agree even that a lethal injection might be a good idea. I'm not sure whether to view it as murder or not, but I believe it would be an act of mercy.
There may be technology that comes out in a year or a hundred years from now that would allow someone to take back their life again, but we, as human beings, can only see as far as the present and must look to the issue at hand with what we already have. Death is hard, but it will come nonetheless whether it be in this act of "murder" or 40 years from now after quite possibly living in a bed her entire life. In short, I will expect the worst, but pray for the best. I believe her life can be mended and she could gain even more than what she once had. In this world anything is possible - not always probable.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Unfortunately, we live in a world where not every situation has a happy ending. Sometimes its merely a choice of the lesser of two evils. Is starving a braindead woman to death a horrible thought? Of course it is. What if you were living a life unable to think, move, talk, or feed yourself (she can't even swallow, her saliva and mucous has to be removed by nurses) a horrible thought? Damn right. Its a hard decision, both scenarios are barbaric, but you have to choose one or the other.
Shelk
PS - I agree with this though, if you are going to let her die, do it with lethal injection. Make it quick and painless. Not a potentially two week agonizing dehydration death. Death row inmates are shown more compassion for f sakes even though they deserve much less.
The only thing that makes me sick about this is that the highest levels of government have WAY overstepped their bounds here. After the judge made the ruling, this should have been a done case. The house, senate and president have no business sticking their noses into this. It sets a very scary precident. What other areas can the legislature craft "emergency legislation" to interfere with people's personal decisions.
This couldn't have been an easy decision for the husband. Nobody wants to lose a loved one, and I would hate to be put into a position where I was deciding the ultimate fate for my wife. If they have discussed this and it is the woman's wishes to die, let her die. Medical technology is reaching a state where they can keep people alive much longer than nature, God, or whoever you believe in intended. The question is no longer "can you" when it comes to life support, but rather "should you".
Honestly, now that I'm married, my wife is the person I confide in the most. I don't tell my parents every detail about my life anymore. I stopped that in high school. I would want my wife making the important decisions for me, not my parents. She's the one that knows me better than anyone now.
Hopefully, if any further legislation comes from this, it will be regarding patients' rights and right to die laws. As it stands, there is no legally recognized way to communicate your wishes. Living Wills don't hold up in court, and tough decisions like this are rarely agreed upon by all members of the family.
Why wouldn't they? At any rate, it seems a judge has kept Schiavo's parents from reinserting the feeding tube. So it seems they're going to try to starve her to death. Good choice people... I agree with the majority here that they should at least prepare some lethal injection if she's going to die.
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I agree with many of you, including Helixwolf, Dremvek, and stephen_sof. I think that a life like that is full of pain and torture. How can you live a life when you can't do nothing at all. You can't move, talk, think, senses are almost/completely gone . . . . . why would anyone would want to live with that. I think that she should be put to sleep and not have a tube be pulled out do put even more torture on her. She's living in torture everyday and none of us can't describe how that feels, but it seems that shes trapped in her dead body. I do have a cousin that is retarded, but the condition of Terry has to be one of the worst ever.
I too find it awful that the Government is pandering to the highly vocal conservatives and "Christians" and spend more time on this and baseball steroids, but won't address real issues.
What I find appalling is how conservatives have taken this case as their next crusade. She will never recover, she has no will, since he has no higher brain function. It is ironic that they don't mind executing a retarded man (as GWBush did in Texas) but get all choked up over this case.
It is also an affront when wealthy conservatives have offered the husband 10 million dollars to spare her. WTF, 10 million dollars to spare the life of a brain dead vegetable who has been on life support for years and years. Why not give that money to feed to hungry, home the homeless, et cetera.
It just goes to show you how distorted their reality truly is. I feel for her loved ones, but her family needs serious emotional help. Clinging to that empty body, hoping that some miracle will restore her. According to the Tampa Tribune " Much of her cerebral Cortex is gone and has simply been replaced by spinal fluid." And Doctors say modern medicine cannot cure this condition, "she is in a purely reflexive state."
Holding out for a miracle after all these years is a sad effort of exercising their misguided faith. If they believe in heaven and God's will, why would they stand in the way?
Starvation/Dehydration will lead to an electrolyte imbalance which will cause an infarction of the heart. She will technically die of a heart attack, if they allow her to.
And on a snide black humor side note... Perhaps Conservatives are so passionate about Terri Schaivo's case because they to are brainless. If they let her die, maybe they fear we will be putting Conservatives asleep too?
Voltaire said to control the masses, simply give them "Bread and Circuses"...while Bush wages an ongoing war, an ongoing class war against America (bankruptcy, social security, preventing Canadian drugs, encouraging off-shore outsourcing, destroying our water and environment) we Americans are too busy worried about Wacko Jacko's trial, Terri Schaivo, Baseball Steroid use, and American Idol.
The Far right has discovered that Voltaire is right..."bread and Circuses"...would you like to SUPERSIZE that?
Get the facts straight. She is not mentally retarded. She suffered from brain damage due to a heart attack. Her husband stated her wishes were not to be kept artificially alive, which is what is happening. She is been kept alive with a feeding tube for nearly ten years and doctors have concluded that she is and will remain in a persitive vegative state without recovery. She does not respond, she does not act. She just lies in bed wasting away.
Over the past 8 years courts have ruled to allow her husband Micheal to take out the feeding tube. However, her parents do not want it and they have gotten the government to intrude. Jeb Bush, George Bush, and many other idiots have tried to stop it, however, they were just shot down when the federal judge ordered the tube to not be reinserted and she will now die within 1 - 2 weeks. I say its about time. It would piss me off if someone did this to me. I never want to be kept alive by artificial means while remaining in a vegative state. I think this case was a great way to show how little rights we actually have in this "free" country.
Edit: And yes, living wills do hold up in court. They are usually prepared by an attorney and notorized making it a legal binding document. You may be thinking of a holographic will, which is a hand written death will, which can be faulty in courts.
Edit2: And she won't starve to death, you can live without food for nearly two months, but she will die of thirst, but considering that she does not have brain activity, she will not know what is happening. As far as her "reactions" to parents, there is no evidence. That is what her parents are saying, the doctors have never seen her have any sort of reaction, and they are with her 24/7.
Ok, so the husband finally faces facts and wants to let her go. He goes to the doctor and lets the doctor know what he wants to do. Now, who was part of this conversation and filed lawful action against the husband? Maybe her mother or sister or something? So when the judge ruled in his favor, this person started screaming and ranting to the media in order to try and start so much hype that people will even discuss it on a game forum ().
At least, when all this crap is over, there will be a supreme court ruling that will prevent this waste of our time from ever happening again.
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I, like many others (I hope), can understand why the parents are trying to take action. what would you do if you were one of the parents? just watch and dont act? heck no.
If knew that my daughter would never recover.... ever... then I would stand with the husbands decision. She's little more than a living corpse; if it hadn't been for modern medicine, she would have died anyways.
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She is not mentally retarded. She suffered from brain damage due to a heart attack. Her husband stated her wishes were not to be kept artificially alive
Is her husband trustworthy? Just wondering because, like the issue of the death penalty, not everyone has their facts straight and they had better before someone dies for possibly little legitimate reason. Anyway, if she says she wants to die then I believe she should be allowed to die. Eight to ten years is too much and I believe that those who step in and keep her from her wishes are doing more harm to her than help.
but she will die of thirst, but considering that she does not have brain activity, she will not know what is happening
Hm... Dying of thirst is worse in my opinion, but then again I've never been there of course. She does seem to have sufficient brain activity to respond to her parents, husband or siblings by moving her head and eyes in their direction and changing her facial expressions slightly. I believe that she's still in there somewhere but I still am against letting her die of thirst but not necessarily against letting her die or killing her as it may ease her pain if she has any mind to contemplate her suffering.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
She is not mentally retarded. She suffered from brain damage due to a heart attack. Her husband stated her wishes were not to be kept artificially alive
Is her husband trustworthy? Just wondering because, like the issue of the death penalty, not everyone has their facts straight and they had better before someone dies for possibly little legitimate reason. Anyway, if she says she wants to die then I believe she should be allowed to die. Eight to ten years is too much and I believe that those who step in and keep her from her wishes are doing more harm to her than help.
but she will die of thirst, but considering that she does not have brain activity, she will not know what is happening
Hm... Dying of thirst is worse in my opinion, but then again I've never been there of course. She does seem to have sufficient brain activity to respond to her parents, husband or siblings by moving her head and eyes in their direction and changing her facial expressions slightly. I believe that she's still in there somewhere but I still am against letting her die of thirst but not necessarily against letting her die or killing her as it may ease her pain if she has any mind to contemplate her suffering.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather "Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Originally posted by anthrorob Voltaire said to control the masses, simply give them "Bread and Circuses"...while Bush wages an ongoing war, an ongoing class war against America (bankruptcy, social security, preventing Canadian drugs, encouraging off-shore outsourcing, destroying our water and environment) we Americans are too busy worried about Wacko Jacko's trial, Terri Schaivo, Baseball Steroid use, and American Idol. The Far right has discovered that Voltaire is right..."bread and Circuses"...would you like to SUPERSIZE that?
-Anthrorob
Thank you Ant for saying what I wanted to say. We all know that there are plugs being pulled on terminally ill people almost daily. Men murder their wives and wives murder their husbands on an almost daily basis. There are lots of child rapists being prosecuted (though not as high profile as Jacko). I think that these things should be given their two or five minute blurb, then things we should know about: Bush pushing a social security reform no one wants, fighting a war for no reason except oil and big business interests abroad. Why are we obsessed and content with the dime-a-dozen happenings when we should be looking at more important things.
Two more points to make. No conservative batted an eye when Texas (then) Governor Bush signed the Texas Futile Care law into place. What does it do? It allows HOSPITALS, not family, to pull the plug on un-revivable patients...IF...IF they also have no insurance or can't pay to keep the person alive. Just six months ago a hospital pulled the plug on a six month old in Texas, even as the MOTHER protested. Why?? She was poor. <Read in between the lines: If you are POOR, you don't deserve to live.> Look it up. Get informed.
A memo uncovered by ABC and the Washington Post:
A memo given ONLY to Republican lawmakers in congress stated that the Schaivo case was " a great political issue" that could pay great dividends from the Christian conservatives in the 2006 election. "This is a great political issue because Senator Nelson [Bill Nelson{D} Florida] has already refused to become a cosponsor and this is a tough issue for Democrats."
Congressional Republicans at work...
And also, she would not likely die from thirst, but from heart failure from dehydration.
Stop listening to FOX{BUSH}NEWS and Rush {BUSH} Limbaugh and do some investigating on your own, and you will see the cynical calculating politics behind this.
Yep, Ant has it down.... this whole debacle is simply political posturing and strategizing. None of the gov't suits REALLY give a GENUINE rats ass about the woman in question or her family.
Which means keep it away from politics. This is not a political thread. Do not steer it in that direction.
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
First, she is not on a machine. There is no "plug" to pull. She is simply getting her food through a tube. Her husband will NOT allow them to try and feed her through normal means (he is afraid she might choke to death ), and they are NOT allowed to give her water, ice, or even moisten her mouth with a wet washcloth under court order. Does no one else have a problem with this.
Second, there are a few PAID doctors who have said she could never recover, but there are others (including one who won a Nobel Peace Prize in this very field) who say she can. There is also a woman who has been giving interviews who was in a similar state. She said she could hear and see everything going on, but she couldn't react to it. Imagine being in that condition and having your body starve to death. There is also an audio tape of her reacting to her father's voice. And not long after this happened, she was getting therapy in California and was showing signs of improvement. She was even saying a few words. But her husband stopped that therapy after recieving a malpractice reward, and she hasn't had any real therapy since.
Then, of course, there was the evidence that she may be in this state because of her husband. That would explain why he is so adimant that she not be allowed to be fed and why he wants her to die.
Originally posted by LILLIPPA328 I know everyone's heard of the Terry Shiavo thing, and we all know that tomorrow the people are pulling her feeding tube out. If this act goes through, Terry will slowly starve to death.For those of you who don't know, Terry is a mentally retarded woman who has been in the hospital for years. No, she is in no way a coma. She reacts to people when they enter the room, even though she is unable to move her body parts. As for the whole feeding tube thing, her bastard of a husband is trying to pull her feeding tube out so she can die. And if things weren't bad enough, freakn Judge Greer let him go with it. Now tomorrow they are going to removing her feeding tube and kill. This is an act of murder people, just as abortion is. There are taking someone's life without even letting the person do anything about it.You don't have to care, but please for the love of God at least send something that says that you want her to live.To go against this SOB crap, e-mail:jeb.bush@myflorida.com (George Bush's brother and governor of Florida, which is where this is all happening)orleg.info@leg.state.fl.us (Florida State Legislature)I honestly can't believe something this inhumane......sickens me to the core
Wasn't it a stroke and not a heart attack that caused all this to begin with? But no matter its wrong to keep someone alive like that, but how would you feel if that was your child or wife. I think she should not have to die from starvation, they should keep the tubes in. She could recover from this, but the doctors are split in saying whether she will or not.
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Who are we really to decide?
Maybe if we stop trying to fix all the faulty humans and letting them pass on their faulty genetic seed, we can get back to our regularly scheduled evolution.
That's the consequences of sin. I'm sure you'd have to kill off 99% of the world's population to even get back to having a human being with little physical defects. And I can assure you I wouldn't be in that 1% that would live theoretically.
Who are we really to decide?
Her life could quite possibly be in our hands - else someone else's of course. Someone needs to make a decision.
I agree that everyone should be able to choose whether they'd want to die or live. If she has already made out some sort of will saying that she'd rather die in a situation like this, then it's already settled. She is the one who decides it, but if she can't - we must.
So far I've seen nothing that would urge me to protest the removing of her feeding tube. If she has not made a decision to live or to die, then I would say that we should let her die. In fact, I agree even that a lethal injection might be a good idea. I'm not sure whether to view it as murder or not, but I believe it would be an act of mercy.
There may be technology that comes out in a year or a hundred years from now that would allow someone to take back their life again, but we, as human beings, can only see as far as the present and must look to the issue at hand with what we already have. Death is hard, but it will come nonetheless whether it be in this act of "murder" or 40 years from now after quite possibly living in a bed her entire life. In short, I will expect the worst, but pray for the best. I believe her life can be mended and she could gain even more than what she once had. In this world anything is possible - not always probable.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
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If your going to let the woman die, make it humane. dont starve her to death...
Unfortunately, we live in a world where not every situation has a happy ending. Sometimes its merely a choice of the lesser of two evils. Is starving a braindead woman to death a horrible thought? Of course it is. What if you were living a life unable to think, move, talk, or feed yourself (she can't even swallow, her saliva and mucous has to be removed by nurses) a horrible thought? Damn right. Its a hard decision, both scenarios are barbaric, but you have to choose one or the other.
Shelk
PS - I agree with this though, if you are going to let her die, do it with lethal injection. Make it quick and painless. Not a potentially two week agonizing dehydration death. Death row inmates are shown more compassion for f sakes even though they deserve much less.
starvartion i think there should be a mercy kill so do it quick and painless not starvation/dehydration
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The only thing that makes me sick about this is that the highest levels of government have WAY overstepped their bounds here. After the judge made the ruling, this should have been a done case. The house, senate and president have no business sticking their noses into this. It sets a very scary precident. What other areas can the legislature craft "emergency legislation" to interfere with people's personal decisions.
This couldn't have been an easy decision for the husband. Nobody wants to lose a loved one, and I would hate to be put into a position where I was deciding the ultimate fate for my wife. If they have discussed this and it is the woman's wishes to die, let her die. Medical technology is reaching a state where they can keep people alive much longer than nature, God, or whoever you believe in intended. The question is no longer "can you" when it comes to life support, but rather "should you".
Honestly, now that I'm married, my wife is the person I confide in the most. I don't tell my parents every detail about my life anymore. I stopped that in high school. I would want my wife making the important decisions for me, not my parents. She's the one that knows me better than anyone now.
Hopefully, if any further legislation comes from this, it will be regarding patients' rights and right to die laws. As it stands, there is no legally recognized way to communicate your wishes. Living Wills don't hold up in court, and tough decisions like this are rarely agreed upon by all members of the family.
Living Wills don't hold up in court
Why wouldn't they? At any rate, it seems a judge has kept Schiavo's parents from reinserting the feeding tube. So it seems they're going to try to starve her to death. Good choice people...
I agree with the majority here that they should at least prepare some lethal injection if she's going to die.
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I too find it awful that the Government is pandering to the highly vocal conservatives and "Christians" and spend more time on this and baseball steroids, but won't address real issues.
What I find appalling is how conservatives have taken this case as their next crusade. She will never recover, she has no will, since he has no higher brain function. It is ironic that they don't mind executing a retarded man (as GWBush did in Texas) but get all choked up over this case.
It is also an affront when wealthy conservatives have offered the husband 10 million dollars to spare her. WTF, 10 million dollars to spare the life of a brain dead vegetable who has been on life support for years and years. Why not give that money to feed to hungry, home the homeless, et cetera.
It just goes to show you how distorted their reality truly is. I feel for her loved ones, but her family needs serious emotional help. Clinging to that empty body, hoping that some miracle will restore her. According to the Tampa Tribune " Much of her cerebral Cortex is gone and has simply been replaced by spinal fluid." And Doctors say modern medicine cannot cure this condition, "she is in a purely reflexive state."
Holding out for a miracle after all these years is a sad effort of exercising their misguided faith. If they believe in heaven and God's will, why would they stand in the way?
Starvation/Dehydration will lead to an electrolyte imbalance which will cause an infarction of the heart. She will technically die of a heart attack, if they allow her to.
And on a snide black humor side note... Perhaps Conservatives are so passionate about Terri Schaivo's case because they to are brainless. If they let her die, maybe they fear we will be putting Conservatives asleep too?
Voltaire said to control the masses, simply give them "Bread and Circuses"...while Bush wages an ongoing war, an ongoing class war against America (bankruptcy, social security, preventing Canadian drugs, encouraging off-shore outsourcing, destroying our water and environment) we Americans are too busy worried about Wacko Jacko's trial, Terri Schaivo, Baseball Steroid use, and American Idol.
The Far right has discovered that Voltaire is right..."bread and Circuses"...would you like to SUPERSIZE that?
-Anthrorob
Get the facts straight. She is not mentally retarded. She suffered from brain damage due to a heart attack.
Her husband stated her wishes were not to be kept artificially alive, which is what is happening. She is been kept alive with a feeding tube for nearly ten years and doctors have concluded that she is and will remain in a persitive vegative state without recovery. She does not respond, she does not act. She just lies in bed wasting away.
Over the past 8 years courts have ruled to allow her husband Micheal to take out the feeding tube. However, her parents do not want it and they have gotten the government to intrude. Jeb Bush, George Bush, and many other idiots have tried to stop it, however, they were just shot down when the federal judge ordered the tube to not be reinserted and she will now die within 1 - 2 weeks. I say its about time. It would piss me off if someone did this to me. I never want to be kept alive by artificial means while remaining in a vegative state. I think this case was a great way to show how little rights we actually have in this "free" country.
Edit: And yes, living wills do hold up in court. They are usually prepared by an attorney and notorized making it a legal binding document. You may be thinking of a holographic will, which is a hand written death will, which can be faulty in courts.
Edit2: And she won't starve to death, you can live without food for nearly two months, but she will die of thirst, but considering that she does not have brain activity, she will not know what is happening. As far as her "reactions" to parents, there is no evidence. That is what her parents are saying, the doctors have never seen her have any sort of reaction, and they are with her 24/7.
Ok, so the husband finally faces facts and wants to let her go. He goes to the doctor and lets the doctor know what he wants to do. Now, who was part of this conversation and filed lawful action against the husband? Maybe her mother or sister or something? So when the judge ruled in his favor, this person started screaming and ranting to the media in order to try and start so much hype that people will even discuss it on a game forum (
).
At least, when all this crap is over, there will be a supreme court ruling that will prevent this waste of our time from ever happening again.
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Its in the off-topic?
I, like many others (I hope), can understand why the parents are trying to take action. what would you do if you were one of the parents? just watch and dont act?
heck no.
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She is not mentally retarded. She suffered from brain damage due to a heart attack.
Her husband stated her wishes were not to be kept artificially alive
Is her husband trustworthy? Just wondering because, like the issue of the death penalty, not everyone has their facts straight and they had better before someone dies for possibly little legitimate reason. Anyway, if she says she wants to die then I believe she should be allowed to die. Eight to ten years is too much and I believe that those who step in and keep her from her wishes are doing more harm to her than help.
but she will die of thirst, but considering that she does not have brain activity, she will not know what is happening
Hm... Dying of thirst is worse in my opinion, but then again I've never been there of course. She does seem to have sufficient brain activity to respond to her parents, husband or siblings by moving her head and eyes in their direction and changing her facial expressions slightly. I believe that she's still in there somewhere but I still am against letting her die of thirst but not necessarily against letting her die or killing her as it may ease her pain if she has any mind to contemplate her suffering.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
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She is not mentally retarded. She suffered from brain damage due to a heart attack.
Her husband stated her wishes were not to be kept artificially alive
Is her husband trustworthy? Just wondering because, like the issue of the death penalty, not everyone has their facts straight and they had better before someone dies for possibly little legitimate reason. Anyway, if she says she wants to die then I believe she should be allowed to die. Eight to ten years is too much and I believe that those who step in and keep her from her wishes are doing more harm to her than help.
but she will die of thirst, but considering that she does not have brain activity, she will not know what is happening
Hm... Dying of thirst is worse in my opinion, but then again I've never been there of course. She does seem to have sufficient brain activity to respond to her parents, husband or siblings by moving her head and eyes in their direction and changing her facial expressions slightly. I believe that she's still in there somewhere but I still am against letting her die of thirst but not necessarily against letting her die or killing her as it may ease her pain if she has any mind to contemplate her suffering.
"Put your foot where your mouth is." - Wisdom from my grandfather
"Paper or plastic? ... because I'm afraid I'll have to suffocate you unless you put this bag on your head..." - Ethnitrek
AC1: Wierding from Harvestgain
Thank you Ant for saying what I wanted to say. We all know that there are plugs being pulled on terminally ill people almost daily. Men murder their wives and wives murder their husbands on an almost daily basis. There are lots of child rapists being prosecuted (though not as high profile as Jacko). I think that these things should be given their two or five minute blurb, then things we should know about: Bush pushing a social security reform no one wants, fighting a war for no reason except oil and big business interests abroad. Why are we obsessed and content with the dime-a-dozen happenings when we should be looking at more important things.
Two more points to make. No conservative batted an eye when Texas (then) Governor Bush signed the Texas Futile Care law into place. What does it do? It allows HOSPITALS, not family, to pull the plug on un-revivable patients...IF...IF they also have no insurance or can't pay to keep the person alive. Just six months ago a hospital pulled the plug on a six month old in Texas, even as the MOTHER protested. Why?? She was poor. <Read in between the lines: If you are POOR, you don't deserve to live.> Look it up. Get informed.
A memo uncovered by ABC and the Washington Post:
A memo given ONLY to Republican lawmakers in congress stated that the Schaivo case was " a great political issue" that could pay great dividends from the Christian conservatives in the 2006 election. "This is a great political issue because Senator Nelson [Bill Nelson{D} Florida] has already refused to become a cosponsor and this is a tough issue for Democrats."
Congressional Republicans at work...
And also, she would not likely die from thirst, but from heart failure from dehydration.
Stop listening to FOX{BUSH}NEWS and Rush {BUSH} Limbaugh and do some investigating on your own, and you will see the cynical calculating politics behind this.
Anthrorob
Yep, Ant has it down.... this whole debacle is simply political posturing and strategizing. None of the gov't suits REALLY give a GENUINE rats ass about the woman in question or her family.
Keep it civil.
Which means keep it away from politics. This is not a political thread. Do not steer it in that direction.
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"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
It kind of is, considering that Jeb, Dubya, and several congressmen and senators got involved with it, but will of course, heed your warning.
First, she is not on a machine. There is no "plug" to pull. She is simply getting her food through a tube. Her husband will NOT allow them to try and feed her through normal means (he is afraid she might choke to death
), and they are NOT allowed to give her water, ice, or even moisten her mouth with a wet washcloth under court order. Does no one else have a problem with this.
Second, there are a few PAID doctors who have said she could never recover, but there are others (including one who won a Nobel Peace Prize in this very field) who say she can. There is also a woman who has been giving interviews who was in a similar state. She said she could hear and see everything going on, but she couldn't react to it. Imagine being in that condition and having your body starve to death. There is also an audio tape of her reacting to her father's voice. And not long after this happened, she was getting therapy in California and was showing signs of improvement. She was even saying a few words. But her husband stopped that therapy after recieving a malpractice reward, and she hasn't had any real therapy since.
Then, of course, there was the evidence that she may be in this state because of her husband. That would explain why he is so adimant that she not be allowed to be fed and why he wants her to die.
She shouldnt suffer any longer....
Obviously, many people do. I'm surprised how much I'm interested in this story.