I have an idea/answer for the "What will happen to my nice, mature, RP based server/community"? They could set two servers, IE Landroval and Brandywine to subscribers only..... Just a thought.
Most of that is unfounded speculation. Turbine is not Gpotato. This is a AAA MMG that is 3ed in the west that is going free to play with an item shop. Turbine has been nothing but respectful to the IP and the DDO conversion shows they know how to do a cash shop with out cheapening a game.
This is TURBINE, one of the forefathers of this industry, in fact, they are responsible for most "standard" features of the mmos we play and enjoy today (Hows that GUI working for you?). They were the pioneers then, and are continuing to be so now.
Thats where you're wrong about Turbine not being like Gpotato. Turbine has already started down the greedy path with DDO and it will only get worse with Lotro sad to say. I had several characters and different races in DDO and got locked out of them once the F2P model hit the servers and they want me to pay for something I already had? No thanks. The same will happen with my Lotro characters I'm sure, even though I have a founders account and had played it all the way from alpha testing.
Misrepresentation there. Now, if you had paid the price you used to pay, a subscription if you will, you would have unlocked all of those characters at no additional charge. You decision to not subscribe prevented you from accessing those characters.
Any F2P member can end up with the same races or classes as my subscription account and pay less than me in the long run. Why should I have to pay Turbine twice for a character I already had? If I keep the account as subscription based, I pay a monthly fee of 120/yr as opposed to someone who newly joins, and pays a one time fee of 20 for the same class to unlock...?
Even if I switch to F2P and pay the 20 bucks one time fee, I am still paying Turbine twice for something I already had. Especially bites if Turbine starts charging for quest areas my characters have already been to that I might want to help someone else with...weak. Which is easily possible since I have at least two characters in Lotro that have done all of the content so far and been to all regions.
Most of that is unfounded speculation. Turbine is not Gpotato. This is a AAA MMG that is 3ed in the west that is going free to play with an item shop. Turbine has been nothing but respectful to the IP and the DDO conversion shows they know how to do a cash shop with out cheapening a game.
This is TURBINE, one of the forefathers of this industry, in fact, they are responsible for most "standard" features of the mmos we play and enjoy today (Hows that GUI working for you?). They were the pioneers then, and are continuing to be so now.
I agree that Turbine has been respectful to the IP, even to the detriment of gameplay. But what Turbine is really doing is sacrificing their loyal paying customers for a quick buck from other non-commital players. I dont play LOTR anymore but if I did, i'd be livid that I'd spent 14.99 a month all these years to have my concerns tossed aside for every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a 1.99 thats going to play for one month and be gone. Its a great way for Turbine to make a quick buck from people who wont stay around to complain about a game they dont care about. If you think about this really has been Turbine's MO for a long time now. THey completely revamped DDO from a forced grouping dungeon crawl to a solo friendly game for the casual crowd once they didnt make as much money as they thought they could. LOTR gets a quick and dirty version of pvp with monster play just prior to launch so they could try to bring in as many pvpers as theyt can to game that is dominated by pve. I played AC2, and am not even going into how they wrung every penny from the last few subs in a botched expansion and then shut the servers down.
I agree Turbine has been in the forefront of MMORPG innovation for a while now. Unfortunately they also seem to be the innovators on how to screw your loyal customers.
Your community statement, I hate to say it, mine as well been thrown out. The fact is stupidity and retardation is more of a plague, brought upon human nature rather than your wallet status, on top of that all the kiddies, were probably there anyways, because lets face it, whens the last time you seen mommy in a store not giving to little gummy bears being bought for little sally? I mean in the defence of gummy bears, they are awesome, but dear god do not sqaunder what little resprect you demand from your own born that the united states of america has bodly taking away. Back to the topic, nothing changes, it just gets bigger.
Take a deep drink of your demon Lad, tonight we tangle with the fire in the gut.
"MT: That's right, Dungeons & Dragons Online right now is about eight percent of the market, LOTRO is number eight in the marketplace with five percent."
Right there the head honchos admit LotRO has 5% of the market, while DDO has 8%. So LotRO is doing WORSE as a sub game than DDO is as a cash shop. And there's no damn way you can spin DDO as being the 2nd top mmo in the west. So please, just give up.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Turbine have been involved with Warner Bros at least since the Mines of Moria expansion, this acquisition did not just occur to WB in April just gone. Part of that $180 million dollar deal was Turbine showing how their business was going to generate income that deserved such a high buyout. Turbines version of F2P was the answer to that, it was designed to make money, not give players a free ride as so many seem to think.
“It's smart business, and we all know free isn't really free” – tell that to the F2P fan boys who never stop harping on about how great that a game is free. To these guys a free lunch does exist.
If Monster play has problems the ‘answer’ is obvious, give F2P players limited access to MP, that is going to be the ‘answer’. F2P makes an area of the game crap? Then lets’ have that area become F2P as well!
It is the community that is going to help Lotro survive this disaster, if they start to leave the prognosis for the game is dim.
MrBloodworth I agree that Turbine had a striling reputation, since the runup to the buyout that has gone to the wall. I thought that the company that gave us AC and helped found the ethos of fair game play in MMO’s would never do something like this. But faces change and money speaks louder once your company is taken over by suits.
I don't post much on the forums, but I'm watching Lotro closely and thinking of subbing again just for the hell of it. I've tried DDO and it's alright, better than Runes of Magic. I play WoW, yes and well, the game has pros and cons. We all need to remember the old addage, "You get what you pay for" and well, if you're not paying for a game, you ain't getting much, however, if you're investing some money into it, your experience will probably be ten times better. This is coming from a "casual" player, who doesn't play online alot due to RL issues and plays different games never sticking to one. I tried WoW once, quit, and came back. I'm thinking of the same for Lord of the Rings, just for the appeal. Just remember ya don't get sumthin' fer nuthin'.
OK. I have read all these posts on the subject and really some of you people need to get a life. I have played many MORPG's. My first online game was a text based game that is still alive today with people paying $14.95 a month for basic gameplay and charge more for extra's. Some of you will remember a game called Gemstone 4 used to be Gemstone 3. Made by a company called simulatronics who developed the new Hero system that is being used for the new Star Wars Online game coming out. I have played many 2d-3d games since back then and been in many Beta's. All these games have 1 thing in common. The company who makes it needs money to keep it up or make more. Most charge a monthly fee which in todays ecconomy can gets pretty extensive. Turbine is no different then all of the other. They are here to make money. The difference I see then all the others is that they have found a way to enhance the options for people to play. People say that F2P will ruin LOTRO. How? Really How? Have you personnally already seen what they have setup with the new model? Have you tried it yet? Well I can tell you right now the answer is NO you haven't. So how can you say this will ruin the game. Wait till it happens and then start the crying and whining if it ruins it. I for one am looking forward to the change. After taking a break from wow me and my wife started playing the f2p DDO. They in my opinion have turned it into a great game. I can play for free. Yes I said free and work hard and get everything that someone who pays to get stuff sooner. I get to see all the content in the game. Now if I want to pay to get extra to get things faster that would have been my choice. The company that runs it doesnt force me to pay money for points to unlock quests or classes or races. They have made it so I can get those free eventually it is my choice. Now if they move that same model and work it into LOTRO I think people will see a nice growth in the game and in the communities. People that use the free to play would have to work hard to unlock their content. Do you think people who do that will ruin the game? Will little kids jump on the band wagon? You bet ya. But aren't their kids playing now? I here all the same stuff that people blame on kids all the time in everygame, Wow, Eq,Eq2,AC,DAC,DDO,LOTRO, and more that I could keep putting in this list. Kids play games. Some are more responsible then others. I have found adults the same way. So blaming kids saying they will ruin the game is not a foot to stand on. And to state if you can't figure out since I said my first MMO was a text-based game and I am marriedthat I am not a kid.
I guess really what I want to put here is. Don't post bad things about something that you haven't tried yet. Who knows you may like the changes. But know this all your whining and crying before hand won't change the fact that these changes will happen.
Fistantilus (Crazy Gnomish Wizard) -- "I may be small in nature but boy does my magic pack a punch"
this thread is a big joke all it does is spout out hypothetical drivel just to get a few people up in arms. Also Leroysg LOTRO isn't dying besides eve it is the only game to continually grow since it came to be.
People say that F2P will ruin LOTRO. How? Really How? Have you personnally already seen what they have setup with the new model? Have you tried it yet? Well I can tell you right now the answer is NO you haven't.
You'd be wrong about quite alot of posters here. The new system is in beta right now and many people HAVE seen it. They just cant say anything about it other than vague impressions of doom.
I am betting that most of the complainers are not in Beta. A lot of the complaints are about things unknown. Like will it bring in a lot of bad people. Will it kill RP servers. Will it kill communities. None of that can be proven in a Beta. Beta's are to test gameplay not any of the above that most of the people are complaining about here.
Fistantilus (Crazy Gnomish Wizard) -- "I may be small in nature but boy does my magic pack a punch"
I am betting that most of the complainers are not in Beta. A lot of the complaints are about things unknown. Like will it bring in a lot of bad people. Will it kill RP servers. Will it kill communities. None of that can be proven in a Beta. Beta's are to test gameplay not any of the above that most of the people are complaining about here.
Indeed!!
The complains are the people who bought the life time subsriptions for $200 + the game for $50 = $250, and no the game is free to download and free to play...
Most of that is unfounded speculation. Turbine is not Gpotato. This is a AAA MMG that is 3ed in the west that is going free to play with an item shop. Turbine has been nothing but respectful to the IP and the DDO conversion shows they know how to do a cash shop with out cheapening a game.
This is TURBINE, one of the forefathers of this industry, in fact, they are responsible for most "standard" features of the mmos we play and enjoy today (Hows that GUI working for you?). They were the pioneers then, and are continuing to be so now.
Thats where you're wrong about Turbine not being like Gpotato. Turbine has already started down the greedy path with DDO and it will only get worse with Lotro sad to say. I had several characters and different races in DDO and got locked out of them once the F2P model hit the servers and they want me to pay for something I already had? No thanks. The same will happen with my Lotro characters I'm sure, even though I have a founders account and had played it all the way from alpha testing.
Misrepresentation there. Now, if you had paid the price you used to pay, a subscription if you will, you would have unlocked all of those characters at no additional charge. You decision to not subscribe prevented you from accessing those characters.
Any F2P member can end up with the same races or classes as my subscription account and pay less than me in the long run. Why should I have to pay Turbine twice for a character I already had? If I keep the account as subscription based, I pay a monthly fee of 120/yr as opposed to someone who newly joins, and pays a one time fee of 20 for the same class to unlock...?
Even if I switch to F2P and pay the 20 bucks one time fee, I am still paying Turbine twice for something I already had. Especially bites if Turbine starts charging for quest areas my characters have already been to that I might want to help someone else with...weak. Which is easily possible since I have at least two characters in Lotro that have done all of the content so far and been to all regions.
Again, not true. Your $120 a year gives you access to EVERYTHING. Sit down, do the math on how much it costs to buy every adventure pack, every class, every race, all the bells and whistles you'd get with your sub. The F2P players will still pay more. Add in that you will also recieve 500 pts a month (like an 8 USD value) that you can turn around and use to unlock content as well, and you'll see how wrong your "F2P will pay less then me" argument is.
Has Turbine revoked the life time subscriptions? I hadn't heard anything on that. Who's to say they aren't going to get VIP status for the duration that the game stays alive. People on the F2P still have to buy expansions to play. They still have to pay for VIP status to get what the lifetimers may get.
Again I say it hasn't been released yet. Until it is released people really shouldn't be crying and whining about things that MAY happen.
Fistantilus (Crazy Gnomish Wizard) -- "I may be small in nature but boy does my magic pack a punch"
Again, for those up in arms over the content of this List?
It's just a "what if" as are most of the editorialized Lists I write week in and week out, and always just opinion to boot. I'm not saying these things ARE going to happen, but I guess it bears repeating that this is just a "Worst Case Scenario" thing.
I personally believe the move is nothing but GOOD for the future of LotRO, and I'm anxious to be able to play it whenever I'd like without a running sub, since I was foolish and never got a lifetime sub even though I was a founder.
Try to be excellent to everyone you meet. You never know what someone else has seen or endured.
Has Turbine revoked the life time subscriptions? I hadn't heard anything on that. Who's to say they aren't going to get VIP status for the duration that the game stays alive. People on the F2P still have to buy expansions to play. They still have to pay for VIP status to get what the lifetimers may get.
Again I say it hasn't been released yet. Until it is released people really shouldn't be crying and whining about things that MAY happen.
What they did ahem was a pour attempt at pleasing folks.
The made the lifetime go as VIP, so in other words you get all the previous content you paid for. You never have to stub again and you got 500 TP tubine points to spend. 500 tp is very very little that is iIf you look at the ddo store to compare.
There is a faq section on the lotro forums, and still there have been tons of questions about what if this and what if that.
As a lifer myself I am very skeptical of what might or might not happen. Having already learned not to trust Turbine on what they have said in the past, what they do going forward is stull up in the air despite what they are saying in the forums. Turbine over the past 2 years has often said you getting plan A, then deliver plan B.
Comments
I have an idea/answer for the "What will happen to my nice, mature, RP based server/community"? They could set two servers, IE Landroval and Brandywine to subscribers only..... Just a thought.
Any F2P member can end up with the same races or classes as my subscription account and pay less than me in the long run. Why should I have to pay Turbine twice for a character I already had? If I keep the account as subscription based, I pay a monthly fee of 120/yr as opposed to someone who newly joins, and pays a one time fee of 20 for the same class to unlock...?
Even if I switch to F2P and pay the 20 bucks one time fee, I am still paying Turbine twice for something I already had. Especially bites if Turbine starts charging for quest areas my characters have already been to that I might want to help someone else with...weak. Which is easily possible since I have at least two characters in Lotro that have done all of the content so far and been to all regions.
I agree that Turbine has been respectful to the IP, even to the detriment of gameplay. But what Turbine is really doing is sacrificing their loyal paying customers for a quick buck from other non-commital players. I dont play LOTR anymore but if I did, i'd be livid that I'd spent 14.99 a month all these years to have my concerns tossed aside for every Tom, Dick, and Harry with a 1.99 thats going to play for one month and be gone. Its a great way for Turbine to make a quick buck from people who wont stay around to complain about a game they dont care about. If you think about this really has been Turbine's MO for a long time now. THey completely revamped DDO from a forced grouping dungeon crawl to a solo friendly game for the casual crowd once they didnt make as much money as they thought they could. LOTR gets a quick and dirty version of pvp with monster play just prior to launch so they could try to bring in as many pvpers as theyt can to game that is dominated by pve. I played AC2, and am not even going into how they wrung every penny from the last few subs in a botched expansion and then shut the servers down.
I agree Turbine has been in the forefront of MMORPG innovation for a while now. Unfortunately they also seem to be the innovators on how to screw your loyal customers.
Your community statement, I hate to say it, mine as well been thrown out. The fact is stupidity and retardation is more of a plague, brought upon human nature rather than your wallet status, on top of that all the kiddies, were probably there anyways, because lets face it, whens the last time you seen mommy in a store not giving to little gummy bears being bought for little sally? I mean in the defence of gummy bears, they are awesome, but dear god do not sqaunder what little resprect you demand from your own born that the united states of america has bodly taking away. Back to the topic, nothing changes, it just gets bigger.
Take a deep drink of your demon Lad, tonight we tangle with the fire in the gut.
About "WoW does this better" remarks, this is in every MMO thats been released in the past 4 years. So nothing new there.
Just stop. LotRO is not 3rd anywhere.
http://www.gamepro.com/article/features/215346/turbines-lord-of-the-rings-online-goes-free-to-play/
Straight from WB and Turbine execs mouths:
"MT: That's right, Dungeons & Dragons Online right now is about eight percent of the market, LOTRO is number eight in the marketplace with five percent."
Right there the head honchos admit LotRO has 5% of the market, while DDO has 8%. So LotRO is doing WORSE as a sub game than DDO is as a cash shop. And there's no damn way you can spin DDO as being the 2nd top mmo in the west. So please, just give up.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Well I asked when we were going to see an article to balance the last one, and here it is so well done.
Firstly let’s not be coy as to why Lotro went F2P:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/entertainmentnewsbuzz/2010/04/warner-bros-acquires-turbine.html
Turbine have been involved with Warner Bros at least since the Mines of Moria expansion, this acquisition did not just occur to WB in April just gone. Part of that $180 million dollar deal was Turbine showing how their business was going to generate income that deserved such a high buyout. Turbines version of F2P was the answer to that, it was designed to make money, not give players a free ride as so many seem to think.
“It's smart business, and we all know free isn't really free” – tell that to the F2P fan boys who never stop harping on about how great that a game is free. To these guys a free lunch does exist.
If Monster play has problems the ‘answer’ is obvious, give F2P players limited access to MP, that is going to be the ‘answer’. F2P makes an area of the game crap? Then lets’ have that area become F2P as well!
It is the community that is going to help Lotro survive this disaster, if they start to leave the prognosis for the game is dim.
MrBloodworth I agree that Turbine had a striling reputation, since the runup to the buyout that has gone to the wall. I thought that the company that gave us AC and helped found the ethos of fair game play in MMO’s would never do something like this. But faces change and money speaks louder once your company is taken over by suits.
Personally, I'm done caring about Turbine, LOTRO, or any of its business models. That company is on my black list.
__________________________________________________________________________________________
"Your pride, good sir, far exceeds your worth." -x3r0h
Oldest mmorpg.com member with the least amount of post counts. That counts for something, right?
I'm worried the most about reason #4. Gonna try DDO first to see how this system works.
I don't post much on the forums, but I'm watching Lotro closely and thinking of subbing again just for the hell of it. I've tried DDO and it's alright, better than Runes of Magic. I play WoW, yes and well, the game has pros and cons. We all need to remember the old addage, "You get what you pay for" and well, if you're not paying for a game, you ain't getting much, however, if you're investing some money into it, your experience will probably be ten times better. This is coming from a "casual" player, who doesn't play online alot due to RL issues and plays different games never sticking to one. I tried WoW once, quit, and came back. I'm thinking of the same for Lord of the Rings, just for the appeal. Just remember ya don't get sumthin' fer nuthin'.
F2P or P2P....still a dying LOTOR, nothing to be concerned about
OK. I have read all these posts on the subject and really some of you people need to get a life. I have played many MORPG's. My first online game was a text based game that is still alive today with people paying $14.95 a month for basic gameplay and charge more for extra's. Some of you will remember a game called Gemstone 4 used to be Gemstone 3. Made by a company called simulatronics who developed the new Hero system that is being used for the new Star Wars Online game coming out. I have played many 2d-3d games since back then and been in many Beta's. All these games have 1 thing in common. The company who makes it needs money to keep it up or make more. Most charge a monthly fee which in todays ecconomy can gets pretty extensive. Turbine is no different then all of the other. They are here to make money. The difference I see then all the others is that they have found a way to enhance the options for people to play. People say that F2P will ruin LOTRO. How? Really How? Have you personnally already seen what they have setup with the new model? Have you tried it yet? Well I can tell you right now the answer is NO you haven't. So how can you say this will ruin the game. Wait till it happens and then start the crying and whining if it ruins it. I for one am looking forward to the change. After taking a break from wow me and my wife started playing the f2p DDO. They in my opinion have turned it into a great game. I can play for free. Yes I said free and work hard and get everything that someone who pays to get stuff sooner. I get to see all the content in the game. Now if I want to pay to get extra to get things faster that would have been my choice. The company that runs it doesnt force me to pay money for points to unlock quests or classes or races. They have made it so I can get those free eventually it is my choice. Now if they move that same model and work it into LOTRO I think people will see a nice growth in the game and in the communities. People that use the free to play would have to work hard to unlock their content. Do you think people who do that will ruin the game? Will little kids jump on the band wagon? You bet ya. But aren't their kids playing now? I here all the same stuff that people blame on kids all the time in everygame, Wow, Eq,Eq2,AC,DAC,DDO,LOTRO, and more that I could keep putting in this list. Kids play games. Some are more responsible then others. I have found adults the same way. So blaming kids saying they will ruin the game is not a foot to stand on. And to state if you can't figure out since I said my first MMO was a text-based game and I am marriedthat I am not a kid.
I guess really what I want to put here is. Don't post bad things about something that you haven't tried yet. Who knows you may like the changes. But know this all your whining and crying before hand won't change the fact that these changes will happen.
Fistantilus (Crazy Gnomish Wizard) -- "I may be small in nature but boy does my magic pack a punch"
this thread is a big joke all it does is spout out hypothetical drivel just to get a few people up in arms. Also Leroysg LOTRO isn't dying besides eve it is the only game to continually grow since it came to be.
You'd be wrong about quite alot of posters here. The new system is in beta right now and many people HAVE seen it. They just cant say anything about it other than vague impressions of doom.
Is that the new Star Wars game, "Lords of the Old Republic"?
LOL haha
It's seems that MMORPG has scared the poo alot of alot of folks here x 5!
I am betting that most of the complainers are not in Beta. A lot of the complaints are about things unknown. Like will it bring in a lot of bad people. Will it kill RP servers. Will it kill communities. None of that can be proven in a Beta. Beta's are to test gameplay not any of the above that most of the people are complaining about here.
Fistantilus (Crazy Gnomish Wizard) -- "I may be small in nature but boy does my magic pack a punch"
Indeed!!
The complains are the people who bought the life time subsriptions for $200 + the game for $50 = $250, and no the game is free to download and free to play...
OUCH!!!!!!
Again, not true. Your $120 a year gives you access to EVERYTHING. Sit down, do the math on how much it costs to buy every adventure pack, every class, every race, all the bells and whistles you'd get with your sub. The F2P players will still pay more. Add in that you will also recieve 500 pts a month (like an 8 USD value) that you can turn around and use to unlock content as well, and you'll see how wrong your "F2P will pay less then me" argument is.
Has Turbine revoked the life time subscriptions? I hadn't heard anything on that. Who's to say they aren't going to get VIP status for the duration that the game stays alive. People on the F2P still have to buy expansions to play. They still have to pay for VIP status to get what the lifetimers may get.
Again I say it hasn't been released yet. Until it is released people really shouldn't be crying and whining about things that MAY happen.
Fistantilus (Crazy Gnomish Wizard) -- "I may be small in nature but boy does my magic pack a punch"
Again, for those up in arms over the content of this List?
It's just a "what if" as are most of the editorialized Lists I write week in and week out, and always just opinion to boot. I'm not saying these things ARE going to happen, but I guess it bears repeating that this is just a "Worst Case Scenario" thing.
I personally believe the move is nothing but GOOD for the future of LotRO, and I'm anxious to be able to play it whenever I'd like without a running sub, since I was foolish and never got a lifetime sub even though I was a founder.
Try to be excellent to everyone you meet. You never know what someone else has seen or endured.
My Review Manifesto
Follow me on Twitter if you dare.
What they did ahem was a pour attempt at pleasing folks.
The made the lifetime go as VIP, so in other words you get all the previous content you paid for. You never have to stub again and you got 500 TP tubine points to spend. 500 tp is very very little that is iIf you look at the ddo store to compare.
There is a faq section on the lotro forums, and still there have been tons of questions about what if this and what if that.
As a lifer myself I am very skeptical of what might or might not happen. Having already learned not to trust Turbine on what they have said in the past, what they do going forward is stull up in the air despite what they are saying in the forums. Turbine over the past 2 years has often said you getting plan A, then deliver plan B.
i would sub as a VIP JUST to play the Monster play...i was a little shocked to see it would not be open for all payment types
This gave me a good laugh
Why not a pure RP server at say 15 or 16.99 that dosnt allow F2P players on it? I would definatly sign up
Godz of War I call Thee