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In Game Real ID, is not just ingame its in every game
Geriden
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Ok so starcraft 2 beta has just started back up, i have some friends from college who i play it with so i logg in we all add each other this is fine but when i looked at my friends list i was a bit taken back that some of my friends who i play wow with are on my starcraft friends list. So i removed them thinking this is a bit wierd.
Now when i used real id for the first time in wow i didnt read what it said i didnt think i would have to worry about anything affecting my WOW time i like to chill out and do my nerdy thing like most wow people do.
So i logg out of starcraft into wow there is now a whoping list of people who i play sc2 with in my WOW friends list WHO'M I DID NOT PUT THERE IN WOW , so why the hell are they there now why the hell can someone from another game see me online when i am in wow and chat to me from another game ? And now the people i removed from my list in sc2 who i play wow with are gone from my list in world of warcraft. Even tho i removed them from the list in starcraft.
I did not sign up for this i do not want to appear online to people from another game when i am in wow i do not want people who play another game to see me online playing wow i DO NOT want people from outside my wow experiance being able to contact me in game with the entire real name poping up into my chat box.
I do not want people from wow poping into my chat when i am in sc2
I am not happy with the way this game has gone in the past few weeks im really annoyed i did not once even think that when i chose to use real id to chat to some friends on another server while i play or so i wouldnt have to have a load different name's for one friend in my friend list that people from other game's will now be able to see me when i am on msg me when ever i am on even when i did not add to my friend in wow. I am so anoyed by this ontop of all this real id crap i am just fed up and i was going to renue when they backed down from the realid forums but this is just it now im annoyed.
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Real ID is part of Battle.net, any game that uses Battle.net has your Real ID, Activision/Blizzard is trying to make Battle.net into a Facebook social networking/gaming site & marketplace so you will always see what people you know are playing so you'll be encouraged to buy in and join them or some crap. I think it's all bullshit.
I dont play WoW, but am leaning toward buying SC2. However, the last thing I would want is someone from my wow guild, messaging me during a heated SC2 game trying to have me log into wow so they can run MC and get some phat lootz. If I want a friend to know what game I am playing I will let them know -- In most guilds I have been in over the course of many MMOs I have played, there were very few, in some cases none, that I wanted to have know WTF I was playing when I wasnt in the MMO. Heck, I would make alts and keep them secret. Blizz actually uses it as a selling point, that you could be playing SC2 and someone from your wow guild could message you during a SC2 game and ask for you to join a raid --- TOO FUNNY !!
Well, guess I can remove Diablo 3 from my buy list.
WOW isnt great because it has 12 million players. WOW has 12 million players because its great.
you can set yourself offline, so people don't bother you.
Bliz doesn't give a shit about you keeping in contact with friends.. friends already do that without Bliz's help.. such as vent or teamspeak (which is actually better).. The ONLY purpose for Real ID is for MONEY and MONEY only.. Their first step is for you to sign up friends on real ID, so everyone can take turns "talking" others into new games (more box sales) etc etc.. Such as there are plenty that will play SC2 and D3 that probably wouldn't pay to play WoW.. but Bliz is hoping you will use your "friendly" influence to talk them into WoW.. even if they only buy the game box and nothing more.. and vice versa.. Diablo people will talk SC2 people to buy and jump over to play.. It's a marketing ploy.. Then you run into the aspects does Bliz have plans to sell and integrated BNet into Facebook?
All at the price of privacy.. The default is REAL ID and you have to opt out of it... Why not the other way around? But that could or has changed already.. And Bliz still hasnt' found a way to keep 3rd party addon data mines from stealing your real ID.. Just peachy!
And what do you do and say to those that "don't use it", and still have their personal name stollen from an addon? I curious what your stance is on that.. My stance is, "if you can't control my privacy, then don't have that feature".. Sorry.. My and my families privacy is more important then you talking to friends on another game..
umm, to the op: reading isn't your forte is it? it was clearly explained that this was going to function that way. That's why they said it was something to use only with people you always want to be in contact with. Its not to realid your whole guild its to realid those 5-10 guys you've played with since release that you always wanna keep up with.
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rydeson it has already been debunked that addons can pull your real id info unless you are on the person's real id list already.
edit2: and before ppl come in with the fanboi crap, I dislike realid forums as much as the next person, but its not the end of the world like so many were claiming.
It sucks being a hardcore player at heart but a casual player in availability. ~NightCloak
So all someone needs to make is a simple piece of malware to access people's ID lists and add it into an .exe install for an add-on.
Not to worry though since we know the vast majority of the WoW playerbase is extremely careful were they get their add-ons and with general account security. They would never download an automatic executable instead of manually installing an add-on. Besides people are at minimum separated by at least 6 degrees from everyone else's friendlist on the server...
if they download a corrupted addon, its their fault their info was leaked. The addon that has been used to scare people will only pull up info to the user and send info about the user, it cannot send info about the user's target. this has been discussed thoroughly on mmo-champion, and other such sites.
It sucks being a hardcore player at heart but a casual player in availability. ~NightCloak
Doesn't need to be a bad add-on, which was the point. People do silly things like download .exes for add-ons. Some of the WoW playerbase is notorius for this even.
The point is that Blizzard knows it happens and knows that the userbase is their own security risk. Knowing that anyone with any respect for the userbase would not set it up in such a way that personal information is readily available. Non one can directly stop someone from voluntarily giving the information away, but you can created barriers to prevent common mistakes giving other access to the information (such as not making it readily available to people who don't need it in the first place).
I have a great Idea! lets just give them personal information for billing purposes and then after that we can use some sort of pseudonym. People who need to know who we are will know and then people who have no good reason to access to our personal information will not have easy access to it!
Brilliant, right?
But you cant mark yourself off-line for a particular game or fashion the friends list for one game over the other, so marking yourself off-line, but makes it appear your unavailable for all games rather than the one or two your not playing but the one you are. Brilliant. . .bad idea.
Yes it does.
You do not need to make the mistake to make your name avilable to those without your permission. Only someone else on your list needs to make the mistake.
You can disable REALID via the parental controls in your battle.net account management. The way how they've apparently done it is both silly and not very user friendly, however it can be done.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=25626461662&sid=1
"This is a very quick How-To on disabling the RealID function in game.
If you are not aware, if you have RealID enabled, an addon or scripts can grab your RealID info. Disabling RealID stops this from happening.
1. Go to https://us.battle.ne
2 . Under Manage My Games, click on the Parental Controls link.
If you HAVE Parental Controls already enabled, skip down to #9, otherwise:
3. Click the "No - Set up Parental Controls Now" button.
4. Enter your Battle.Net login under "Child's Battle.net Account Name"
5. Enter your Battle.Net password under "Child's Battle.net Account Password"
6. Enter your Battle.Net email under "Parent's Email Address" and "Confirm Parent's Email Address".
7. Click on "Set Up Parental Controls"
8. You will get an email verification with a link in it to complete the setup. Click the link.
9. Go to the link that was provided in your Parental Controls email.
10. Make sure the "Enabled RealID" checkbox is NOT checked.
11. Click "Save Settings"
Congratulations, RealID is now disabled for your Battle.Net account for in-game access. "
Funnily enough, it WASN'T already enabled on my account.
As for the addon situation, that needs to be sorted VERY quickly, there's no excuse for such a security flaw.
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And it can get worse. Think you are in SC2 and your raid leader from WoW see you are are online and tell you to close your SC2 and go to WoW beouse they need you.
Sounds fun isn't?
Then dont add your raid leader via realid. For one i like the idea of being able to add my friends i play alot of games with via realid and be able to keep up with them on all chars across all games on all realms. I just wont be adding random retards to realid, and infact it also has the following tooltip when adding a friend within wow.
"Real ID
This is a person you know and trust in real life. You will be able to chat with them no matter which Blizzard game you are playing. they must accept you friend invite, at which point your real name will be displayed to all of their friends."
if you are to retarded to understand that the so be it.
and again.. I ask you.. what if you have it ENABLED and you are careful.. but YOUR friend's computer is not and an addon steals YOUR name from his computer.. it's just a matter of time before they find ways to get around Blizzards ability to stop it.. We already know that many accounts have been hacked through the use of addons (especially since the bnet change), Real ID will be just another target for addons to go after..
If that is the situation, and people didn't want others in WoW to know that they're in a different Blizzard game, then people need to use a little common sense not use REALID and instead rely on their standard in-game friends list.
Remember, using REALID in Blizzard's games is optional. It always has been. No one is being forced to use it. Yes, I agree that the security flaw needs to be resolved and no doubt Blizzard are working on that. But from the looks of my own account, it ISN'T enabled by default (maybe that's a change that Blizzard implemented AFTER all this started I don't know). By the way, remember that the enforcement of real names when posting in the forums is a completely separate issue to the use of REALID in the game.
The point is that there comes a point whereby a person needs to exercise a little common sense. If they don't like the features that REALID offers, then don't use it.
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What part of "you basically have 2 friend lists in your chosen game, ReaL ID friends, and a regular Friend list as before" don't you people get?
I have never seen such whining or fear mongering in the video game world. Grow some nuts people and PLEASE learn to read before you start to assume and start throwing fear based conjectures about Real ID out there.
Firstly, you are confusing a security flaw with what the system SHOULD do (an intended feature). The "hack" that has been highlighted in the WoW forums is a security flaw. One that will no doubt to be rectified by blizzard. No company in their right mind would leave that open for long. And when that security flaw is nailed, then there's no chance of getting YOUR name from his computer.
In the meantime, if people don't want the chance for their real name to be found, then they should disable the use of REALID in their battle.net account options.
As for "its just a matter of time"....seriously if you're going to take that stance, then unplug your internet connection because unless you have one then others cannot gain access to your pc. The point I'm trying to make is that you have to have a little faith in the software that you are using is secure. And if you don't, then either take steps to prevent it, don't use it at all. It's that simple.
In other words, until Blizzard sort out the security flaw, disable the use of REALID in your account management options. That way, no one can get access to your real name at all.
With regards to the use of addons, if you're THAT worried about them, don't use them. Blizzard have always said that they cannot guarantee the security of addons, and don't officially support their use in the game. In fact, certain addons have been blocked by Blizzard for various reasons including data mining.
Yes, Blizzard have a measure of responsibility to ensure that their software maintains the security of their customers data. However, the customer ALSO has a duty in terms of responsibility to ensure that their personal data is not easily obtainable. So you cannot place ALL blame at the feet of Blizzard. Its like going on the internet without a firewall or antivirus. And if you don't trust them, then don't use the internet.
Oh and one last thing, THAT infamous image that someone used to prove that GearScore could obtain such data has been proven and stated by the very person who posted it, that it's a fake.
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The OP has a point, it should not be mandatory to link friend lists through games.
At least give an option.
Personally, I don't see an issue in having it as an option for REALID. More options is always good. I can understand the appeal of being able to chat to friends on different servers in the same game whilst stopping people in other games from seeing you online. Therefore, all Blizzard games that use REALID should have it as a built-in option in EACH game.
But people need to understand that they already have the option for that, by opting out of the use of REALID. After all, if you don't use REALID, then what you have is effectively a friends list that only shows people that are online in the game that you are currently playing. Although the drawback is that you won't be able to chat to friends on different servers within the game. A small price to pay in my opinion for the level of security the opt-out option provides. After all, we never had the facility to cross-server chat before.
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I must agree with takra here . And i'm a Real ID hater , but atm the only thing i can say is: don't use it , use the WoW friendslist than. If you don't want your WoW "friends" to see you play other games than don't use Real ID for WoW. Simple as that.
But i do have concerns tho , about Real ID becoming a "must" , not because blizzard will make it mendatory but the players. Just like achievements became mendatory for raids. I don't think i need a tin foil hat to forsee that in the future many guilds will demand you to use Real ID for various reasons (more trust , etc...) .
Fere libenter homines id quod volunt credunt.
Among those who dislike oppression are many who like to oppress.
Personally, I cannot see the liklihood of that happening on a game-wide scale. But, I'm not discounting the possibility that certain raids / guilds would make the use of REALID mandatory "because then we feel like we're a family". Which is complete crap in my opinion. But again, that's purely down to the individual as to whether they want to get involved in that or not. Blizzard are not forcing people at gun point. The decision is left to the user.
Blizzard's intention was to add a greater social dynamic to the community side of their games, now granted the system has its flaws, and like any "feature" it can be used appropriately, or abused by the people who use it. Ultimately, the decision lies with the player.
In my opinion, Blizzard should:
Fix the security flaw which allows players to "poll" the servers for real names. No one should be able to poll the servers for such specific information for ANY reason.
Put an option in EACH blizzard game to allow players to block the broadcast of their online status to other Blizzard games. Thus allowing the players to manually set it for each game themselves.
Add an additional option to enable / disable the showing of their names to "friends of friends". Therefore, user A and user B can see each other on their friends list, but they each cannot see the additional friends of the other person. I believe Facebook has this option already.
Make the use of REALID to initially default to a "disabled" state (i.e. the option is unticked in the accounts managment) until the player decides otherwise. Of course, this is on the grounds that Blizzard haven't done this already (it looks that way on my accounts management page, but I'm not assuming anything).
Allow players easier access to the REALID options within the battle.net accounts section. Only having that option in the Parental Controls section is a bad move. I can understand the need for it being there, but people ALSO need the option in THEIR OWN accounts section, not just to manage their childrens access.
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Oh, what a surprise, Blizzard creates a diversion and then sneaks something like this in under the radar. I knew there had to be a catch somewhere. Well there's only one thing do to now. if your still unhappy and that is to terminate you subscription, and never buy another Blizzard game. Because they've proven they can't be trusted.
Anyone who listens to such tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy theorist ramblings should also sell their pc and cancel their internet access.
Being able to see other people on other Blizzard games was part of the WHOLE POINT of REALID. If you didn't know that then obviously you should have read up on it before claiming it was "sneaked under the radar". Don't confuse ignorance about a product or service with evidence to show companies cannot be trusted.
Real ID features
Real Names for Friends: Your Real ID friends will appear under their real-life names on your friends list, alongside whatever characters they're playing. Gone are the days of having to remember which of your friends is which. You'll also see your friends' real names when chatting, communicating in-game, or viewing their character's profile.
Cross-Game Chat: With Real ID, friends can now chat cross-game, cross-realm, and cross-faction across all supported Blizzard games. In World of Warcraft and need more players for your Icecrown Citadel raid? You check your Real ID friends list to see if anyone's available, and sure enough, a couple of guildmates are playing a 2v2 ranked match in StarCraft II. Real ID makes it easy to ask them to come along.
Rich Presence: See additional information on your friends list about what your Real ID friends are up to. Find out what your friends are doing and which games and modes they're playing in real time. Invite that buddy just sitting around in Dalaran to play some StarCraft II with you without fear of interrupting a raid or a heated Wintergrasp match
Broadcasts: Broadcast a short status message for all of your Real ID friends to see, whether you want to issue a call-to-arms or let your friends know about an important change of plans. You can also read your friends' broadcast messages on the "Recent Broadcasts" feed on the Battle.net welcome page -- kind of a "corkboard" to leave messages to your friends when offline or busy.
Friend Once, See All Characters: When you agree to become Real ID friends with another player, both of you will automatically see all the other's characters on your friends list. You'll even see any characters your friend creates in future Blizzard games, carrying your social network forward and helping you stay connected with the people you enjoy playing with most.
In short, the OP didn't realise the full implications of the use of REALID at the time, and is only now realising that he effectively has a common "friends list" for all Blizzard games because their account is set to use REALID. In some ways this is like how Microsoft's "Live" system (the successor to MSN) uses one single login and friends list for all the different "Live" software (Mail, Messenger, etc, etc).
Now, the system obviously has some issues that need sorting as quickly as possible. And until then, the OP just needs to disable the use of REALID. After all, he never had cross-server / game chat before, so he'll hardly miss it now.
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