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The Death of Terri Shiavo

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  • AldaronAldaron Member Posts: 1,048



    Originally posted by anthrorob

      I guess it is OK to unplug someone if they are POOR and/or BLACK? 




    One acronym came to mind when I saw your...interesting comment...

    lol.

    "Fear not death; for the sooner we die, the longer shall we be immortal."

  • anthrorobanthrorob Member Posts: 50

    When the autopsy report confirms her condition, the "pro"-Schindler camp will probably say it is all a cover up.  I smell the conspiracies already brewing...

     

    Anthrorob

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  • anthrorobanthrorob Member Posts: 50

    An estimated 13 THOUSAND children died TODAY due to Malnutrition.  Where is your outrage over that?

    End World Hunger...I would hazard to guess most if not all of those kids that die every day AREN'T in a Persisting Vegetative State! 

    There should be a .wav file http://www.3dcafe.com/sounds/soundeffects/cuckoo.wav whenever you click to read one of these "anti-removing feeding tube of Terri Schaivo CROWD." 

    I just hope none of you ever have to make this difficult decision in your lifetimes, regarding your family! *

    Anthrorob

    * Void in Texas, where in 1999 G.W. Bush signed into law the right for HOSPITALS to override parents, spouses, family et cetera, if they CANNOT PAY.  So, if you live in Texas, some corporation may decide for you so you won't have too.

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  • DekronDekron Member UncommonPosts: 7,359
    I do agree that starving her was a bit inhumane, but there are no other options. Sure, they could have OD'ed her on morphine, but that would have then been considered murder. A strange system we do have here.
  • metalfoxusmetalfoxus Member Posts: 805


    Originally posted by Serien
    Originally posted by dekron Originally posted by SerienOriginally posted by dekron I am glad she is finally able to rest and get her wish.
    I don't mean to start an argument..but can you show me that that was her wish? You cannot.Sure I say it was murder, and sure I am awaiting the results of the autopsy to prove that Michael Schiavo was an abusive husband.Her wish according to her husbands statement. I am going by everyone I have ever spoken to about the subject who have said, no, they wouldn;t want to be kept alive like that. And what possible proof do they have that he was abusive, other than the fact the parents tried to state that as a cause to get the tube reinserted.
    I have a question for ya though murt. Would you have been for her tube removal if bush was? Just curious.
    No. I wouldn't. I'm in all ways pro life, I don't take after and conform...well politcally, since I do conform socially. As a matter of fact I should be on your side, that being because Jesse Jackson is saying for her to be kept alive. You see?
    And you're going by a statement. There's your argument? a statement? Watch what the autopsy will reveal. you'll be surprised.
    Michael Schiavo isn't the "kind caring awwww so generous" husband you think he was. Most likely he wasn't after her best interests. My view is that he did'nt want to file the divorce papers because of his "kind caring awww so generous" reputation would have disspated. Many things on top of that..he was abusive, he was having affairs, it goes on and on.
    Frankly I'm not going to argue much like I used to before the elections. I'm on Paxil now...I realize that I cannot change people's minds as much as I would like to. I have my opinion. You have yours. Sure I'd love to "enlighten" you, but I really don't see the need...you won't accept the light.

    LOL you are on Paxil? Please take more, I hear it makes people want to kill themselves.

  • BiteyBitey Member Posts: 356


    Originally posted by metalfoxus
    Originally posted by Serien
    Originally posted by dekron Originally posted by SerienOriginally posted by dekron I am glad she is finally able to rest and get her wish.
    I don't mean to start an argument..but can you show me that that was her wish? You cannot.Sure I say it was murder, and sure I am awaiting the results of the autopsy to prove that Michael Schiavo was an abusive husband.Her wish according to her husbands statement. I am going by everyone I have ever spoken to about the subject who have said, no, they wouldn;t want to be kept alive like that. And what possible proof do they have that he was abusive, other than the fact the parents tried to state that as a cause to get the tube reinserted.
    I have a question for ya though murt. Would you have been for her tube removal if bush was? Just curious.
    No. I wouldn't. I'm in all ways pro life, I don't take after and conform...well politcally, since I do conform socially. As a matter of fact I should be on your side, that being because Jesse Jackson is saying for her to be kept alive. You see?
    And you're going by a statement. There's your argument? a statement? Watch what the autopsy will reveal. you'll be surprised.
    Michael Schiavo isn't the "kind caring awwww so generous" husband you think he was. Most likely he wasn't after her best interests. My view is that he did'nt want to file the divorce papers because of his "kind caring awww so generous" reputation would have disspated. Many things on top of that..he was abusive, he was having affairs, it goes on and on.
    Frankly I'm not going to argue much like I used to before the elections. I'm on Paxil now...I realize that I cannot change people's minds as much as I would like to. I have my opinion. You have yours. Sure I'd love to "enlighten" you, but I really don't see the need...you won't accept the light.

    LOL you are on Paxil? Please take more, I hear it makes people want to kill themselves.



    Well, he does show signs of depression....

    And yes- they do cause sucide- http://www.antidepressantsnews.com/001465.html and http://www.newstarget.com/Paxil.html

  • HelixwolfHelixwolf Member Posts: 345



    Originally posted by rathma

    I was suprised how long this got on the news for and how many people were shocked. Yeah, it's tragic. But this was just one person, how many thousands die every single day? And this woman was already suffering, she was a vegtable (metephorically speaking).



    I agree. Just like in Texas there were two cases similar to this one where the paticents were brain dead, but they only went as far as the local news and that was it. There was no govonor or president intervention to pull/leave the plug, nor was there any protests.

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  • SaigonshakesSaigonshakes Member Posts: 937

    The reason this case recieved so much hype is because politicians used it as as a ploy. Like you all have said, worse stuff happens every single day. Why aren't all the people concerned about Schiavo up in arms about hundreds of cases of people being executed in prisons when new dna evidence proved they were innocent? Is Schiavo some how more importanat than these men and women?

    As for her husband being some sick f***. I don't buy it. Why? When he sued a medical company years ago for possibly making a mistake that may have helped lead to Terris vegitative state, he was awrded $750,000. Guess what? Every cent of that has gone to caring for Terri over the years. I encourage you to do some research before you label this man a monster.

  • MichkeMichke Member UncommonPosts: 106

    I've hesitated longly about replying to this topic, however to bring some light...

    For the record : I live in a country where euthanasy (lethal injection at the request of the patient) is authorised. I'm against the direction modern medicine is taking for ethical, philosphical and religious reasons.

    In a way it was inhumane to take away the feeding tube. Even more so for not allowing the family to feed her with more conventional methods. As stated euthanasy, even in countries where it is not authorised, is often used only to relieve the pain of the last few days. In this case it was made impossible by the mass media attention.

    It is far worse to force somebody to live when there is no more hope to enjoy life. Given her condition, as a christian, I can not say that she was enjoying life the way it was given to her, the way it was intended to be. Cry murder all you wish but take a moment to think why the pope himself asked not to go back to the hospital anymore. Think what is worse ; is it worse to be judged and go to paradise or is it worse to be stuck, being able to do nothing ?

    Death is a part of life and this so called "culture of life" is what will cause this civilization to fall. Modern day medicine has taken the step to far in my eyes. Saving life at all costs is not the way to go, it's selfish and only there to fit the needs of the rich and fearfull. While it is wonderfull to be able to fight diseases, it's wonderfull to be able to cure a cancer, it is not as glorious to be able to maintain someone in a state of undead to be able to find a cure 20 years from now. What are the consequences of waking up after 20 years to find that the best years of your life were lost and that above that it ruined your family financialy ? What is the price our social security systems throughout the world are willing to pay to maintain someone in a vegetative state ?

    Another part of our life is Mass Media Culture. The media, be it your local newspaper or that international television station are new means of propaganda. In order for these media to make money, as that is what they are money making companies, they feed a society of fear. That is done in order to keep people buying more of the media, keep the public interested with human interest stories. In the end it is a way for someone with a very large public to try and convince you of his point of view. Journalists are theoretically neutral. Neutrality is something that doesn't exists when it comes to morals and ethics since it conflicts with every philosphical definition of humans and society. Each person has moral and ethical values incalculated by their education and contacts with others throughout their life.

    I personally find more relief in alternative indepth news stories dedicating an hour on a specific topic as it will either bring you a debate of oposing views or will have real informational value. However the problem remains the same, the program maker or writer will try to influence my views on the subject. Usually done through repetition and shock images, hence what I avoid the most. For this, as pointed out in the above is the conflictual situation between mass media and journalism. Take at least three different sources on the subject and confront the opinions, form your own based on those. Each will have thruths.

    Would you have taken a different view on the subject if the news were announced the same way as the chinese person that got murdered over a Legends of Mir item ?

    In conclusion : Blessed be Terri Shiavo, I hope this last trial of your prolongated life was not too long and I wish you the best in the better place you are now.

    P.S. : for the person calling her husband a sick man for cheating on his wife. Your lack of intelect and actual morals makes me really sick. That has nothing to do with this discussion. Judging a man by his natural need to procreate and impossibility to do so by the standards set out by a society thus "cheating" his wife that will never know since she was brain dead only shows your inability to focus. I would laugh at the abuse charge if this whole case wasn't as sad, she looked more abused by having her body kept alive then any man ever could inflict her. However, abuse is a moral damage caused upon others. The morals are defined by the brain, she was brain dead making abusing her impossible.

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  • SerienSerien Member CommonPosts: 8,460



    Originally posted by metalfoxus

    LOL you are on Paxil? Please take more, I hear it makes people want to kill themselves.



    gah that's so mean...lol
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