Ever since I played Aion, NCSoft equals grind for me. Even if it's ArenaNet that created Guild Wars 2, the company still belongs to NCSoft so it still equals grind to me. I will let other try it out first instead of throwing away 60 bucks like I did when I bought Aion.
Meanwhile, Rift: Planes of Telara really seems really promising. It's a new company and meanwhile we have no clue what they are capable of, I still find it a safer bet then NCSoft considering it actually wants to attempt to deliver something as good as World of Warcraft. NCSoft had the chance to deliver a game as good as World of Warcraft when they made Aion. They had the crowd to be a success and they basically decided not to be the best game out there.
Ever since I played Aion, NCSoft equals grind for me. Even if it's ArenaNet that created Guild Wars 2, the company still belongs to NCSoft so it still equals grind to me. I will let other try it out first instead of throwing away 60 bucks like I did when I bought Aion.
Meanwhile, Rift: Planes of Telara really seems really promising. It's a new company and meanwhile we have no clue what they are capable of, I still find it a safer bet then NCSoft considering it actually wants to attempt to deliver something as good as World of Warcraft. NCSoft had the chance to deliver a game as good as World of Warcraft when they made Aion. They had the crowd to be a success and they basically decided not to be the best game out there.
My vote goes entirely to Rift: Planes of Telara.
Your comprehension of the developer/publisher relationship astounds me.
gw2 is developed by ArenaNet, which is a western company.
Remind me what NCsoft is agian? Is that a US pub or a asaian pub. Ill help you its south korean.
I cannot tell you what influence or part NCsoft has in their direction, i know they report to ncsoft west.. but west reports to ncsoft. So in the end ill just not mentioned what GW2 is in terms of dev. so no im not giving it a +1 for us/euro dev.
What i can tell you about GW2 is that many of your hated asian factors will not be pressent... like grinds. Why static leveling time. Or in other words levels don't take 1.5x as long every level. Its a flat rate increase making exping at high levels like leveling at low levels. This is great and really shows that GW2 is workign to be a FUN game not just a life consuming game.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Ever since I played Aion, NCSoft equals grind for me. Even if it's ArenaNet that created Guild Wars 2, the company still belongs to NCSoft so it still equals grind to me. I will let other try it out first instead of throwing away 60 bucks like I did when I bought Aion.
Meanwhile, Rift: Planes of Telara really seems really promising. It's a new company and meanwhile we have no clue what they are capable of, I still find it a safer bet then NCSoft considering it actually wants to attempt to deliver something as good as World of Warcraft. NCSoft had the chance to deliver a game as good as World of Warcraft when they made Aion. They had the crowd to be a success and they basically decided not to be the best game out there.
gw2 is developed by ArenaNet, which is a western company.
Remind me what NCsoft is agian? Is that a US pub or a asaian pub. Ill help you its south korean.
I cannot tell you what influence or part NCsoft has in their direction, i know they report to ncsoft west.. but west reports to ncsoft. So in the end ill just not mentioned what GW2 is in terms of dev. so no im not giving it a +1 for us/euro dev.
A publisher handles the marketing, research, production, and dissemination of media and information, and the author/developer/creator can be his own publisher, or a studio can be a part of a publisher.
Basically, whichever one is released first is the one I will try first. Which one I stay with will be decided by which one I get a guild/clan to play with in.
I love the idea behind the class choices and customization in Rift, but I also want to see how the gameplay will be in GW2.
..and I really am liking the idea of playing a Charr. :P
If NcSoft even put their mind in and hands on Guild Wars 2 i hope they go to hell! damn korean grind game makers.Let arenaNet make their game and fuck off NcSoft.
gw2 is developed by ArenaNet, which is a western company.
Remind me what NCsoft is agian? Is that a US pub or a asaian pub. Ill help you its south korean.
I cannot tell you what influence or part NCsoft has in their direction, i know they report to ncsoft west.. but west reports to ncsoft. So in the end ill just not mentioned what GW2 is in terms of dev. so no im not giving it a +1 for us/euro dev.
A publisher handles the marketing, research, production, and dissemination of media and information, and the author/developer/creator can be his own publisher, or a studio can be a part of a publisher.
publishers dont tell them how to make a game :P
publishers dont tell them how to make a game :P
Thats just INCORRECT, for one NCsoft is not only ArenaNet pub. they are ArenaNet. Its one of their stuidios. (So its the same company).
Two if pub xxx gives xxxx amount of money .. these deals come with game rights. in which what they say goes.
Many pubs, and always when its the same company does the pub hand have a say in what the dev hand is doing.
Often dev.s will find a pub. to release their game. In these cases the pub often has nothing/little to say/control about the game. Now if a pub is backign that dev with a lot of money they often have small/medium say in the game. Now when a pub OWNS THE DEV TEAM , WHAT THEY SAY GOES. And pubs do tell dev times what to do, often based on time, cost, what their 10 year old told them, etc.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
And for the ppl doubting about NCSoft's influence on GW2. Its Arenanet who develops GW2. NCSoft is there for distribution. Its the same situation as with GW1. GW1 is really not a NCSoft style game.
People also forget that another of NCSoft's games is City of Heroes/Villiains, which is a quintessential Western style MMO with minimal grind, easy levelling, multi-alting game style. Note also that NCSoft did not *develop* City of Heroes/Villains, but later acquired the rights to it (as Paragon Studios) and still they have not managed to turn it into a grindfest.
The fears about NCSoft's influences on Guild Wars 2, like Guild Wars 1, are simply unfounded.
You cannot say this ArenaNet IS NCSOFT. You act like its not.
It like saying my bank is different than pnc because is pnc in xxx town. So whatever corperate pnc says doesn't effect me. Its crazy. Now sure local bank managers tell me if i get a loan, help me with account problems etc. But at the end of the day they do so only becuase corperate approves their choices and behavior and if corp tells my local pnc bank to do something they have to.
Areannet didn't just get to have money and choose to make GW2, they were allowed to by NCsoft. NCsoft approves their direction, and if NCsoft doesn'r approve of something ... it doesn't happen. Now NCsoft maybe taking a hands off approch to the dev. of GW2. But I don't know this and either do you. In this case its not about NCsoft beign the but but AreanaNet being a local studio of NCsoft. WE cannot know the impact of NCsoft influence therefore, i choose not to assume the impact at all if it exists or not. And therefore, with my orginal post i cannot look on GW2 dev.s locationas a plus or a negitive.
PS. i love CoX but it is a grind fest and has been forever (that was my problem with it all you do is run the same mission over and over).
All this having been said GW1 was dev under ncsoft as a ownership co. using their own engine, and gw2 is goign to use the same engine as one revamped.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Fine, view it as you want Jetrpg. I see no influences from NCSoft into GW or other western developed games they published (such as City of Heroes). I detested the grind from the real NCSoft developed games such as Lineage 2 and Aion. There is none of that in GW (as an example). I'm very confident that ArenaNet is not being influenced in their developing of GW2 by NCSoft. NCSoft would be incredibly stupid to interfere with it.
Fine, view it as you want Jetrpg. I see no influences from NCSoft into GW or other western developed games they published (such as City of Heroes). I detested the grind from the real NCSoft developed games such as Lineage 2 and Aion. There is none of that in GW (as an example). I'm very confident that ArenaNet is not being influenced in their developing of GW2 by NCSoft. NCSoft would be incredibly stupid to interfere with it.
Obviouslly you view it as you want. Cox was developed w/o NCSOFT, GW is not. becuase AreanNet is NCsoft. So you are choosing to purposefully ignore the fact that NC soft is not just publishing GW but also doing 100% of the development. Now its not NCsoft korean doing that its NCsoft west's studio ArenaNet. They are being influenced this is not a matter of discussion but fact. The money NCsofts (there are limits), the people NCsofts (they all work for NCsoft), the decision to develop and release the game NCsofts.
The rest of this post is a response to the other people that keep seperating ncsoft as the pub and arenanet (which is alright as long as you don't act like that is the only relationship between the two; and most posters are not so)
The issues is not if ncsoft is influencing GW2 (it has to all of the dev.s at arenanet are ncsoft , arenanet is ncsoft). The issue is if the game will play like an asian grinder or not. I bet it will not ... if you read my post i pointed out how levelign exp will not increase or multiply like they do in many mmorpgs. This is the issue many people seem to be focused on and i think GW2 will be fine, however, im not going to say i know what impact ncsoft corp has on the local ncsoft studio of ArenaNet. People can if they want to , maybe they have the magical ability to know stuff other humans can't. Or maybe they are just making stuff up. And many people want to keep saying ArenaNet isn't NCsoft , but they are flat out wrong.
Now ArenaNet may make a game totally different than NCsoft in korea , GREAT. Thats what you should say. But making false statement such as NCsoft is not the dev, is wrong becuase every dev is a ncsoft employee and has been for somewhile (unless recently gotten a job there).
done with the thread hijack - even if it is somewhat related.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You have no idea what a developer and a producer do then. They are separate professions.
Dude look at who owns ArenaNet , you have no clue who arenaNet is , they ARE NCSOFT. they are a NCsoft studio, how many times do i have to type this READ READ READ. And in this case it doesn't matter becuase the boss is the NCSOFT corp (the publisher). Now don't talk about what influence they may or may not have i have addressed this already scroll up and READ REAd READ.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You have no idea what a developer and a producer do then. They are separate professions.
Dude look at who owns ArenaNet , you have no clue who arenaNet is , they ARE NCSOFT. they are a NCsoft studio, how many times do i have to type this READ READ READ. And in this case it doesn't matter becuase the boss is the NCSOFT corp (the publisher). Now don't talk about what influence they may or may not have i have addressed this already scroll up and READ REAd READ.
You have no idea what a developer and a producer do then. They are separate professions.
Dude look at who owns ArenaNet , you have no clue who arenaNet is , they ARE NCSOFT. they are a NCsoft studio, how many times do i have to type this READ READ READ. And in this case it doesn't matter becuase the boss is the NCSOFT corp (the publisher). Now don't talk about what influence they may or may not have i have addressed this already scroll up and READ REAd READ.
Good lord you are dense.
How so, i mean all you say is to me is that i am wrong, no reasons why. Here i will link for you, to PROVE YOU INCCORECT.
Look at the bottem right of that page .. what is that odd logo.
Do you want more links or is the picture clear YET?
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Guild Wars 2 does seem promising, I will be more likely to try it not because of free play. That's nice n all, but 15 bucks a month is a drop in the bucket if you budget right. The game just seems solid and offers some legitimate competition to the beasts that dominate the MMO industry. I am looking forward to trying it out.
So you are saying that only the Parent company counts eh? So only EA counts since BioWare is owned by them. Same with Activision and Blizzard.
How about GE and NBC Universal Studios?
General Motors and Saab?
Do you not see the difference between a Parent company who all they do is produce the game that a Subsidiary company develops than I don't know what to tell you, you would be a lost cause.
Look up vertical and horizontal integration, parent and subsidiary, and multinational definitions. Perhaps we can have a better discussion then.
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Ever since I played Aion, NCSoft equals grind for me. Even if it's ArenaNet that created Guild Wars 2, the company still belongs to NCSoft so it still equals grind to me. I will let other try it out first instead of throwing away 60 bucks like I did when I bought Aion.
Meanwhile, Rift: Planes of Telara really seems really promising. It's a new company and meanwhile we have no clue what they are capable of, I still find it a safer bet then NCSoft considering it actually wants to attempt to deliver something as good as World of Warcraft. NCSoft had the chance to deliver a game as good as World of Warcraft when they made Aion. They had the crowd to be a success and they basically decided not to be the best game out there.
My vote goes entirely to Rift: Planes of Telara.
Your comprehension of the developer/publisher relationship astounds me.
Vote: 3rd option, TERA
Remind me what NCsoft is agian? Is that a US pub or a asaian pub. Ill help you its south korean.
I cannot tell you what influence or part NCsoft has in their direction, i know they report to ncsoft west.. but west reports to ncsoft. So in the end ill just not mentioned what GW2 is in terms of dev. so no im not giving it a +1 for us/euro dev.
What i can tell you about GW2 is that many of your hated asian factors will not be pressent... like grinds. Why static leveling time. Or in other words levels don't take 1.5x as long every level. Its a flat rate increase making exping at high levels like leveling at low levels. This is great and really shows that GW2 is workign to be a FUN game not just a life consuming game.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Just wauu...
A publisher handles the marketing, research, production, and dissemination of media and information, and the author/developer/creator can be his own publisher, or a studio can be a part of a publisher.
publishers dont tell them how to make a game :P
I've narrowed it down to both GW2 and Rift.
Basically, whichever one is released first is the one I will try first. Which one I stay with will be decided by which one I get a guild/clan to play with in.
I love the idea behind the class choices and customization in Rift, but I also want to see how the gameplay will be in GW2.
..and I really am liking the idea of playing a Charr. :P
If NcSoft even put their mind in and hands on Guild Wars 2 i hope they go to hell! damn korean grind game makers.Let arenaNet make their game and fuck off NcSoft.
GW2
Rift sounds like a flop in potence...
Ahh, here it is. I knew I would find my answer in here somewhere.
I'm most looking forward to TERA, however, but these 2 games are also on my radar.
Joined 2004 - I can't believe I've been a MMORPG.com member for 20 years! Get off my lawn!
publishers dont tell them how to make a game :P
Thats just INCORRECT, for one NCsoft is not only ArenaNet pub. they are ArenaNet. Its one of their stuidios. (So its the same company).
Two if pub xxx gives xxxx amount of money .. these deals come with game rights. in which what they say goes.
Many pubs, and always when its the same company does the pub hand have a say in what the dev hand is doing.
Often dev.s will find a pub. to release their game. In these cases the pub often has nothing/little to say/control about the game. Now if a pub is backign that dev with a lot of money they often have small/medium say in the game. Now when a pub OWNS THE DEV TEAM , WHAT THEY SAY GOES. And pubs do tell dev times what to do, often based on time, cost, what their 10 year old told them, etc.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Guild Wars 2. Easy.
And for the ppl doubting about NCSoft's influence on GW2. Its Arenanet who develops GW2. NCSoft is there for distribution. Its the same situation as with GW1. GW1 is really not a NCSoft style game.
ArenaNet is developing the game, not NCSoft.
People also forget that another of NCSoft's games is City of Heroes/Villiains, which is a quintessential Western style MMO with minimal grind, easy levelling, multi-alting game style. Note also that NCSoft did not *develop* City of Heroes/Villains, but later acquired the rights to it (as Paragon Studios) and still they have not managed to turn it into a grindfest.
The fears about NCSoft's influences on Guild Wars 2, like Guild Wars 1, are simply unfounded.
You cannot say this ArenaNet IS NCSOFT. You act like its not.
It like saying my bank is different than pnc because is pnc in xxx town. So whatever corperate pnc says doesn't effect me. Its crazy. Now sure local bank managers tell me if i get a loan, help me with account problems etc. But at the end of the day they do so only becuase corperate approves their choices and behavior and if corp tells my local pnc bank to do something they have to.
Areannet didn't just get to have money and choose to make GW2, they were allowed to by NCsoft. NCsoft approves their direction, and if NCsoft doesn'r approve of something ... it doesn't happen. Now NCsoft maybe taking a hands off approch to the dev. of GW2. But I don't know this and either do you. In this case its not about NCsoft beign the but but AreanaNet being a local studio of NCsoft. WE cannot know the impact of NCsoft influence therefore, i choose not to assume the impact at all if it exists or not. And therefore, with my orginal post i cannot look on GW2 dev.s locationas a plus or a negitive.
PS. i love CoX but it is a grind fest and has been forever (that was my problem with it all you do is run the same mission over and over).
All this having been said GW1 was dev under ncsoft as a ownership co. using their own engine, and gw2 is goign to use the same engine as one revamped.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Fine, view it as you want Jetrpg. I see no influences from NCSoft into GW or other western developed games they published (such as City of Heroes). I detested the grind from the real NCSoft developed games such as Lineage 2 and Aion. There is none of that in GW (as an example). I'm very confident that ArenaNet is not being influenced in their developing of GW2 by NCSoft. NCSoft would be incredibly stupid to interfere with it.
Obviouslly you view it as you want. Cox was developed w/o NCSOFT, GW is not. becuase AreanNet is NCsoft. So you are choosing to purposefully ignore the fact that NC soft is not just publishing GW but also doing 100% of the development. Now its not NCsoft korean doing that its NCsoft west's studio ArenaNet. They are being influenced this is not a matter of discussion but fact. The money NCsofts (there are limits), the people NCsofts (they all work for NCsoft), the decision to develop and release the game NCsofts.
The rest of this post is a response to the other people that keep seperating ncsoft as the pub and arenanet (which is alright as long as you don't act like that is the only relationship between the two; and most posters are not so)
The issues is not if ncsoft is influencing GW2 (it has to all of the dev.s at arenanet are ncsoft , arenanet is ncsoft). The issue is if the game will play like an asian grinder or not. I bet it will not ... if you read my post i pointed out how levelign exp will not increase or multiply like they do in many mmorpgs. This is the issue many people seem to be focused on and i think GW2 will be fine, however, im not going to say i know what impact ncsoft corp has on the local ncsoft studio of ArenaNet. People can if they want to , maybe they have the magical ability to know stuff other humans can't. Or maybe they are just making stuff up. And many people want to keep saying ArenaNet isn't NCsoft , but they are flat out wrong.
Now ArenaNet may make a game totally different than NCsoft in korea , GREAT. Thats what you should say. But making false statement such as NCsoft is not the dev, is wrong becuase every dev is a ncsoft employee and has been for somewhile (unless recently gotten a job there).
done with the thread hijack - even if it is somewhat related.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
You have no idea what a developer and a producer do then. They are separate professions.
Dude look at who owns ArenaNet , you have no clue who arenaNet is , they ARE NCSOFT. they are a NCsoft studio, how many times do i have to type this READ READ READ. And in this case it doesn't matter becuase the boss is the NCSOFT corp (the publisher). Now don't talk about what influence they may or may not have i have addressed this already scroll up and READ REAd READ.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Good lord you are dense.
How so, i mean all you say is to me is that i am wrong, no reasons why. Here i will link for you, to PROVE YOU INCCORECT.
Look at the bottem right of that page .. what is that odd logo.
http://www.arena.net/
Who owns ArenaNet?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArenaNet
What is this NCsofts employment site has listing for their arenanet studio, thats just odd. Easily the best link.
http://www.ncsoft.com/en/jobs/arenanet.html
Do you want more links or is the picture clear YET?
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Guild Wars 2 does seem promising, I will be more likely to try it not because of free play. That's nice n all, but 15 bucks a month is a drop in the bucket if you budget right. The game just seems solid and offers some legitimate competition to the beasts that dominate the MMO industry. I am looking forward to trying it out.
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So you are saying that only the Parent company counts eh? So only EA counts since BioWare is owned by them. Same with Activision and Blizzard.
How about GE and NBC Universal Studios?
General Motors and Saab?
Do you not see the difference between a Parent company who all they do is produce the game that a Subsidiary company develops than I don't know what to tell you, you would be a lost cause.
Look up vertical and horizontal integration, parent and subsidiary, and multinational definitions. Perhaps we can have a better discussion then.
Well.
Thats not a good example.
Most likely GW2 because it will be out first and its subscription free.